[08:11] <valutcizen> Hi
[08:12] <valutcizen> I'm looking for person who well known init scripts in initramfs
[08:13] <sidi> valutcizen, just my two cents as an outsider but usually user support is in #xubuntu. Is there a specific issue with init scripts shipped in Xubuntu?
[08:15] <valutcizen> yes, I need someone to help with init ram disk (i can pay), becouse i want do do something like http://brainder.org/2011/11/29/installing-linux-in-a-file-in-an-ntfs-partition/ but initrd is different from suse or from 2011
[08:41] <sidi> I think Ubuntu uses Upstart nowadays, not initrd
[08:42] <sidi> You'll get more replies in #xubuntu or #ubuntu than here by the way, this place is mostly for discussing development and packaging issues 
[09:15] <valutcizen> ok, i will try
[09:50] <flocculant> if we can't take donations as Xubuntu - why do Mate get away with it 
[09:53] <knome> flocculant, good question.
[09:54] <knome> pleia2, insight plz?
[09:56] <flocculant> morning knome 
[09:56] <flocculant> just happened to come across that 
[09:57] <knome> :)
[09:57] <knome> i don't think canonical will put a lot of effort to stop that though
[09:57] <knome> or i don't know
[09:57] <flocculant> possibly not - but then there's nothing to stop us doing the same ;)
[09:58] <knome> yeah..
[09:58] <knome> i wonder where the policy is set anyway
[09:58] <flocculant> not a clue
[09:58] <knome> or is it related to the trademarks
[09:59] <knome> eg. we can't make money by using their trademark, or they'd lose it
[10:00] <knome> kubuntu is getting money outside canonical too, but i don't think that's "wrong"
[10:00] <knome> i mean as i understand it, they aren't making money out of it, they are just being paid to work on it
[10:00] <knome> which is slightly different
[10:00] <Unit193> ...The MATE one doesn't seem to know what to do with it anyway, but not a bit of it seems to ever to to Ubuntu itself.
[10:00] <flocculant> don't necessarily think it's wrong - just think if others can we should too :)
[10:01] <knome> no i mean i think that's different from MATE
[10:01] <knome> and if what the MATE website says is true, i'm not sure if they are "making money out of ubuntu mate" either
[10:01] <knome> they say it goes to hosting etc.
[10:02] <Unit193> And the package maintainer for Fedora, Linux Mint, etc.
[10:02] <knome> right
[10:02] <knome> surely some of the work that kubuntu does helps other OSes too
[10:03] <flocculant> I'd assume that's so 
[10:03] <Unit193> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-june-2015-supporters/ specifically looking at that.
[10:05] <knome> i wouldn't want to be the one to point out this to canonical, but otoh, it would be nice to know what their stance really is
[10:05] <knome> and that said, we haven't used our previous funds either
[10:05] <Unit193> Aha, in April they did donate to Ubuntu, OK.  Eh, I don't know, yeah.
[10:05] <Unit193> knome: And more to manage.
[10:05] <knome> well,
[10:06] <knome> if that meant we could pay $100+ for a developer each month, i don't think it was a bad thing
[10:06] <knome> or two developers
[10:11] <flocculant> right
[10:12] <knome> (now i also acknowledge $100-150 per month isn't huge, but it is something)
[10:13] <knome> 2-3 board games for example :P :P
[10:13] <flocculant> :)
[10:30] <knome> the "system is running on low power" notification should have one more button in addition to "suspend" and "power down"
[10:31] <knome> "shut up, i'm plugging in"
[10:31] <knome> or it should be wise enough to disappear when i plug in
[10:31] <Unit193> Right click, or exit button.
[10:32] <knome> or left click anything except the buttons
[10:32] <knome> i know
[10:32] <Unit193> Buuuut yes, not ideal.
[10:32] <Unit193> "Shut up, I'm racing the battery and still think I can make it!"
[10:34] <knome> that too
[10:35] <knome> or
[10:35] <knome> "Oh poop, I just need to start this presentation for a client so no can do!"
[10:37] <knome> luckily i've never been in that situation
[10:37] <knome> but who knows...
[10:37] <Unit193> (For those wondering the end of the story, I didn't make it, it powered off.  I had 3 more minutes.)
[10:38] <knome> :P
[10:38] <Unit193> (That's one time, I know I've done it more.)
[10:39] <knome> :)
[11:48] <bluesabre> morning all
[11:51] <knome> hey sean
[11:54] <flocculant> hi bluesabre 
[11:58] <knome> bbl
[12:05] <bluesabre> how are things?
[12:06] <flocculant> good here - you?
[12:08] <bluesabre> doing a-ok
[12:08] <flocculant> \o/
[12:09] <bluesabre> tomorrow is a holiday in the US, so hoping to clear out a few more workitems today and tomorrow
[12:09] <flocculant> not seeing anything odd with the ppa xfdesktop btw - so we can have another \o/ 
[12:09] <bluesabre> very cool
[12:09] <flocculant> oh right - labour day or something isn't it? 
[12:09] <bluesabre> mhm
[12:09] <flocculant> work here - a normal labour day :D
[12:09] <bluesabre> :D
[12:46] <flocculant> sidi: strange thing to send to xubuntu mailing list - especially if "To be eligible, you must: use Unity and Google Chrome/Chromium Browser" :p
[12:48] <sidi> flocculant, that's a typo :p im obviously opening it to Xfce
[12:48] <sidi> lemme fix it
[12:48] <flocculant> :)
[12:50] <sidi> flocculant, thanks, updated it
[12:50] <sidi> i have someone already but you're very welcome to sign up for the real study in a few weeks!
[12:50]  * sidi goes lurk back in #shimmer before knome realises
[12:51] <flocculant> yea - I've seen you talking about it in here ;)
[12:51] <flocculant> cya 
[14:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: I think overall numix is fine in wily
[15:31] <bluesabre> I think my sample application here should help make it clear that its a clutter issue: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754640 (there's nothing else going on in this file)
[15:32] <bluesabre> just remove Clutter.init and it loads ;)
[15:44] <flocculant> :)
[16:45] <knome> bluesabre, i think i might have the final wallpaper for you
[16:47] <knome> bluesabre, did you have the one for plymouth and lightdm already?
[16:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, then let's keep it as it is
[16:57] <knome> bluesabre: if i push new wallpapers to lp:xubuntu-artwork, you'll take care of reviewing and uploading, right?
[16:57] <knome> bluesabre, or do you rather want a merge proposal?
[16:57] <knome> ochosi, ^ or if you can answer for bluesabre, i'm fine with that too ;)
[16:58] <knome> i have the stuff committed and waiting finger on the trigger (enter) with the push command
[16:59] <knome> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu3FTEmN-eg
[17:02] <knome> "my finger... is on the button..."
[17:11] <ochosi> knome: if you're not sure what you're doing and want a review, do a MR ;)
[17:11] <ochosi> (that at least is my policy)
[17:13] <knome> uh oh :P
[17:14] <knome> bluesabre, you have a MP to review
[17:15] <knome> setting my wallpaper item as done
[17:17] <ochosi> i guess we can also mark the numix workitem as done
[17:17] <ochosi> since bluesabre said it's ok in wily and getting in a new and fairly untested branch doesn't sound nice (especially since UIF is so close)
[17:17] <knome> done
[17:18] <knome> though numix doesn't likely affect UIF
[17:18] <knome> because it's not used by default by anything
[17:18] <knome> but if it's ok, then... it's ok
[17:18] <ochosi> :)
[17:19] <ochosi> knome: btw, there's a greybird MR on github you might be interested in reviewing
[17:20] <ochosi> it's for greybird-a1y
[17:20] <knome> aha...
[17:20] <knome> i'll see
[17:20] <ochosi> someone ported the greybird icons over to the xfwm4 deco i was working on
[17:20] <knome> :)
[17:21] <ochosi> what sucks a bit if we only ship that as xfwm4 theme without gtk theme is that CSD will look as in "normal" greybird
[17:21] <ochosi> so sorta inconsistent
[17:21] <knome> yeah...
[17:21] <knome> there seems to be another MP
[17:22] <ochosi> oh rly?
[17:22] <ochosi> i only saw one when i looked on thursday
[17:22] <knome> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/pull/103
[17:22] <knome> 18 hours ago
[17:46] <bluesabre> knome: thanks, I'll take a look
[17:47] <knome> bluesabre, cheers
[17:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh wow, i can't remember when we were both online at the same time :D
[17:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: that's because you get online for about 3 minutes at a time :p
[17:47] <knome> ahahahhaaha!
[17:47] <ochosi> hehe
[17:47] <knome> so true...
[17:48] <ochosi> agreed
[17:48] <ochosi> well tonight i might have a few minutes more
[17:48] <knome> a bit like slickymasterWork, but not so often
[17:48] <ochosi> depending on whether there's work to do and whether anyone else will be around
[17:48] <bluesabre> cool
[17:48]  * knome ninjas
[17:48] <bluesabre> I'll be around most of the day
[17:48] <knome> i'm around as well
[17:48] <knome> micahg, hello?
[17:48] <ochosi> we could almost do an impromptu meeting ;)
[17:49] <bluesabre> doing a new mugshot release today most likely, now that I've created a new upstream clutter bug
[17:49] <knome> we can do that
[17:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, saw the backlog. nice work on identifyiing that!
[17:49] <ochosi> i wonder why nobody else seems to be hit by that
[17:49] <ochosi> or why totem was hit at first and then not anymore
[17:50] <ochosi> have any of you tested the new battery icons i pushed to elementary-xfce a while ago?
[17:51] <ochosi> theyre a port from upstream
[17:51] <ochosi> generally i really like them
[17:51] <ochosi> downside is in notifications though they don't look so clear anymore, because the empty part of the battery has a transparent background
[17:51] <ochosi> so in our notification colorscheme it's blackish
[17:52] <ochosi> then again, it might not be a problem
[17:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: maybe you can make the batteries non-transparent like you did with the terminal
[17:52] <ochosi> which is why it'd be great if you could give me a second opinion on this
[17:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: sure, can do that
[17:52] <ochosi> but since it's work, id rather have it tested first ;)
[17:53] <bluesabre> right
[17:53] <ochosi> could also be that it looks odd when not being transparent
[17:54] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/zSO1C9G.png
[17:54] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/V50DEkz.png
[17:54] <ochosi> that also illustrates it a bit
[17:55] <ochosi> guess having the transparent bit being white there in the selected row would also look a tad off
[17:55]  * ochosi already forgot how the old icons looked there
[17:56] <knome> ochosi, landed the change you were talking about on the timeline
[17:57] <ochosi> nice
[17:57] <ochosi> looks good!
[17:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: previous: http://i.imgur.com/SO3eki0.png
[17:59] <knome> Unit193, ping?
[18:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'm on a train atm, i'll be home in 30min, i can look then ;)
[18:00] <ochosi> (yeah, it's not loading...9
[18:01]  * bluesabre screenshots the screenshot
[18:01] <bluesabre> :p
[18:02] <bluesabre> new for comparison: http://i.imgur.com/8X6YeTF.png
[18:02] <ochosi> lol
[18:03] <ochosi> yeah, keep compressing it until it fits in irc ;)
[18:03] <knome> cyphermox, xnox: either of you familiar with packageset hacking? we'd like shimmer-themes back to our packageset, since it seems to be snatched by kubuntu... :)
[18:03] <ochosi> ASCII screenshots
[18:03] <knome> i can paste the base64 data for you
[18:03] <knome> :P
[18:03] <ochosi> :)
[18:03] <bluesabre> that'd be fun
[18:03] <bluesabre> please pm that
[18:04] <ochosi> so since you guys have likely seen the shots, what's your take on it?
[18:04] <ochosi> is it ok as is?
[18:04] <knome> on what exactly
[18:04] <knome> the bg showing through?
[18:04] <ochosi> yeah
[18:04] <knome> i don't think it's totally ideal
[18:04] <ochosi> or more generally: the new icons
[18:04] <knome> but it's not a catastrophe either
[18:04] <ochosi> ;)
[18:04] <knome> new icons ++
[18:05] <bluesabre> with greybird http://i.imgur.com/dtJPqKD.png
[18:05] <bluesabre> its just all blue
[18:05] <knome> maybe the transparent part could be a bit less translucent
[18:05] <knome> yeah, that's a bigger issue
[18:06] <knome> if the translucent "base" was about what the left-side "reflection" is now, then it'd be good i think
[18:06] <ochosi> that said, the notifications were what worried me
[18:06] <knome> i haven't seen those
[18:07] <ochosi> s/blue/black/ :>
[18:07] <SwissBot> ochosi: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[18:07] <knome> ochosi, can you tell me where the svg's are and i can try to do a mockup
[18:07] <knome> ochosi, can you load this? http://i.imgur.com/T1onjQG.png
[18:07] <ochosi> knome: most recent commit of elementary-xfce
[18:08] <knome> do you see what i'm trying to say about "too much blue"
[18:08] <knome> and "issue"
[18:08] <bluesabre> I'd have to deplete my battery more to show a worthwhile notification
[18:08] <ochosi> yeah, could load that one
[18:08] <bluesabre> or actually
[18:08] <knome> so if the "empty" part of the battery had some more white
[18:08] <knome> like rgba( 255, 255, 255, 0.2 )
[18:08] <knome> ...
[18:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: actually notifications mostly are interesting when the state is low ;)
[18:09] <bluesabre> gimme a sec, I'll make some notifications
[18:12] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/18AB1M2.png
[18:12] <knome> the second one is problematic...
[18:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: battery-empty-charging is a symbolic icon, ftr
[18:13] <knome> COME ON
[18:13] <knome> why can't i find those icons
[18:13]  * knome cries
[18:13] <ochosi> lol
[18:13] <ochosi> knome: you're not looking at the commit i suppose? :>
[18:13] <knome> i am...
[18:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh, i guess that would be another thing to fix then
[18:14] <knome> it's just one file?
[18:14] <ochosi> nooo
[18:14] <bluesabre> knome: https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[18:14]  * knome facepalms
[18:14] <ochosi> knome: status/48
[18:14] <knome> nevermind.
[18:14] <knome> i was looking in devices.
[18:15] <knome> that's ok.
[18:15] <ochosi> :>
[18:15] <knome> which size are we using in the notifications and the settings manager?
[18:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: empty-charging is there though
[18:15] <knome> 48?
[18:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: in status/48, not sure where you were looking
[18:15] <knome> oh, 48
[18:15] <knome> ...
[18:15]  * knome slaps himself
[18:16] <ochosi> knome: 48 for notifications and power-manager. 32 for the power-manager panel plugin's menu
[18:16] <knome> i got to eat something to go with some medicine
[18:16] <knome> be back in 5-10
[18:16] <ochosi> yeah, also gotta get off the train in 5mins
[18:16] <ochosi> i'll be back for real in about 25mins
[18:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: maybe a symlink somewhere is missing, the icon itself exists in the theme though
[18:17] <bluesabre> lunch time, bbabl
[18:17] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll look into it
[18:17] <ochosi> np
[18:17] <bluesabre> symlinks are easy enough for me to do
[18:17] <bluesabre> :D
[18:17] <ochosi> hehe
[18:33] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/8xV89gV.png
[18:35] <knome> ochosi, on the tracker, do you expand/collapse the specifications in the overview often?
[18:35] <knome> ochosi, obviously you first need to expand them, but the question is if you actually toggle them a lot?
[18:45] <ochosi> knome: yeah, that looks good. if you can mod and push that for all of them, that'd be great
[18:46] <ochosi> and yeah, i do that usually (expand)
[18:47] <flocculant> evening all
[18:47] <ochosi> hey flocculant 
[18:47] <knome> ochosi, i guess i will do that this evening then...
[18:47] <ochosi> awesome!
[18:48] <bluesabre> knome: nice
[18:52] <ochosi> then all we'll need after that is bluesabre uploading those :)
[18:52] <bluesabre> yup
[18:52] <bluesabre> can upload those with the wp
[18:53] <knome> huhu
[18:58] <bluesabre> knome: props for the new wallpaper
[18:58] <knome> thanks
[18:59] <bluesabre> I'll merge the wp once and upload once you say the icons are ready ;)
[19:00] <bluesabre> without the first once
[19:00] <bluesabre> :D
[19:00] <knome> :P
[19:00] <knome> i better get working then, right?
[19:00] <knome> :P
[19:01]  * bluesabre didn't say anything
[19:01] <knome> tbh, it's not the most trivial thing
[19:01] <knome> it's not too hard either, but it takes some time
[19:01] <bluesabre> no hurry
[19:01] <knome> i know
[19:02] <knome> but if i want to do it today...
[19:05] <ochosi> knome: not that i wanna distract you, but i really like the release artwork we've done since 14.04, would be nice to use it on the website too somewhere
[19:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: what's the status of catfish in wily?
[19:05] <ochosi> or of the CSD/gtk316 branch
[19:05] <knome> ochosi, ...yes?
[19:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: 1.3.0 (CSD) in wily
[19:06] <ochosi> oh, i misinterpreted that workitem then. it says inprogress still
[19:06] <bluesabre> everything working except custom modification date, to be fixed in 1.3.1 today/tomorrow
[19:06] <bluesabre> yeah
[19:06] <bluesabre> "optional CSD"
[19:06] <ochosi> ah ok
[19:06] <ochosi> well...
[19:06] <ochosi> change the title of the workitem then ;)
[19:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: are you on wily?
[19:13] <bluesabre> reprase: anybody around on wily with a webcam?
[19:13] <bluesabre> *rephrase
[19:13] <bluesabre> sheesh
[19:13] <knome> bluesabre, A/S/L?
[19:13] <bluesabre> hoping to get a test on lp:mugshot
[19:14] <bluesabre> install gir1.2-cheese-3.0 and gir1.2-gtkclutter-1.0
[19:14] <knome> he clearly didn't get the joke...
[19:14] <bluesabre> bzr branch lp:mugshot; cd mugshot; sudo python3 setup.py install; CLUTTER_BACKEND=x11 mugshot
[19:15] <bluesabre> knome: jokes for me go well over my head
[19:15] <bluesabre> every time
[19:15] <bluesabre> :D
[19:15] <knome> clearly...
[19:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: can try that
[19:23] <ochosi> starting up the VM now
[19:24] <ochosi> meh
[19:24] <ochosi> virtualbox crashed after activating the webcam...
[19:25] <ochosi> so will have to wait until at least tomorrow until i get decent interwebs again
[19:25] <knome> hah
[19:25] <knome> #xubuntu-devel and the adventures with a lousy internet
[19:26] <bluesabre> lol
[19:26] <ochosi> yeah :/
[19:31] <knome> 32 done...
[19:31] <bluesabre> yay
[19:33] <ochosi> sweet
[19:33] <knome> that took about 15 minutes
[19:33] <knome> meh
[19:33] <knome> i wasn't even really ircing that much
[19:34] <ochosi> :>
[19:35] <knome> wondering about panel/48/gpm-mouse-*
[19:35] <knome> and panel/48/gpm-phone-*
[19:35] <knome> maybe they aren't as critical
[19:36] <ochosi> yeah
[19:36] <ochosi> those aren't used anywhere by anything :)
[19:36] <knome> also the devices/* icons seem to be different anyway
[19:36] <ochosi> unless ofc you would be using the old gnome2 for realz
[19:38] <knome> ok, pushed to master, plz review
[19:39] <knome> maybe i should soonish be added to the AUTHORS file :>
[19:39] <knome> oh, i'm in CONTRIBUTORS
[19:39] <knome> that's fine i guess.. :P
[19:39] <ochosi> since you're already pushing to master *for review* you could add yourself to any file ;)
[19:39] <knome> hah
[19:40] <knome> well i don't need a complete review... just that it's sane generally
[19:40] <knome> and that it actually looks good and not shite
[19:40] <ochosi> hehe
[19:41] <ochosi> i guess i need to see them in context and for that to happen i'd have to fix my buildscript for the icons...
[19:41] <knome> ochosi, got a reply to the "pressed buttons" pull request, maybe you want to reply there too..
[19:41] <ochosi> ok, will take a look now
[19:47] <ochosi> knome: did you test the branch?
[19:47] <knome> ochosi, no...
[19:48] <knome> don't be silly
[19:51] <ochosi> :)
[19:51] <ochosi> ok, i did now
[19:51] <ochosi> and commented
[19:52] <ochosi> at first glance, your battery icons look perfect
[19:52] <ochosi> only gotta see them in context now
[19:52]  * knome bows
[19:52] <ochosi> so back to the buildscript...
[19:58] <ochosi> awesome
[19:58] <ochosi> gotta love upower's optimism
[19:59] <ochosi> 60% == full (http://i.imgur.com/B016jop.png)
[19:59] <knome> heh
[19:59] <ochosi> so i gotta wait and waste cpu cycles now...
[19:59] <knome> ;)
[20:09] <ochosi> soooo
[20:09] <ochosi> if it looks like before, does that mean...
[20:09] <ochosi> 1) my buildscript doesn't work after all
[20:10] <ochosi> 2) the icons in ~./icons aren't overriding the ones in /usr as they should or
[20:10] <ochosi> 3) i need to refresh the icon cache in ~/.icons
[20:10] <ochosi> (and yeah, wrong dot in 2))
[20:11] <ochosi> so supposedly, this is it: http://i.imgur.com/wikyIfO.png
[20:11] <knome> nope...
[20:12] <ochosi> nope is not one of the 3 options
[20:12] <knome> i don't follow the rules
[20:12] <knome> F the society!
[20:13]  * knome hides
[20:13] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[20:14] <ochosi> ok, i guess this is it: http://i.imgur.com/xTpKGI7.png
[20:14] <ochosi> and yeah, better than before
[20:14] <knome> yep
[20:14] <knome> it's a single element in the svg with 20% opacity, it's easy now to bump it up if it feels too little
[20:18] <bluesabre> thats an impressive battery
[20:18] <bluesabre> better than my phone
[20:18] <knome> phone batteries are lousy
[20:19] <ochosi> :>
[20:21] <ochosi> knome: anyway, looks good to go to me
[20:21] <knome> yep, good
[20:24] <bluesabre> nice work
[20:24]  * knome bows
[20:24]  * knome 's back starts hurting of all this bowing
[20:25] <knome> because obviously, the only way to bow is the royal way, bowing all the way to the floor with all the hand-rolling
[20:25] <bluesabre> knome should go bowling instead
[20:25] <knome> my fingers don't like that
[20:26] <knome> and my thumb is so big that i always have to bowl with balls like 18+
[20:26] <knome> which makes it REALLY heavy...
[20:26] <bluesabre> I've seen some folks throw the bowling ball sidearm
[20:26] <bluesabre> and not kill others
[20:26] <knome> ...always?
[20:26] <knome> :P
[20:27] <bluesabre> same folks could probably throw me sidearm
[20:27] <bluesabre> :|
[20:27] <knome> :D
[20:27] <knome> funneee
[20:28] <ochosi> :>
[20:29] <ochosi> you guys are killing it tonight
[20:29] <ochosi> and i mean I.T.
[20:31] <bluesabre> :p
[20:32] <knome> ochosi, I.C.
[20:33] <knome> sigh
[20:33] <knome> working on prepress for a hobby project isn't very fun after you've fed up with similar stuff in work
[20:49] <ochosi> yeah, that doesn#t sound like much fun
[20:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm, i was wondering whether the bg color of the default view in catfish should be lighter
[20:50] <ochosi> you know, the one with the "enter your query above..."
[20:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: was thinking the same
[20:50] <ochosi> since all the other views are light too
[20:50] <ochosi> also, you could then bump up the font size a bit
[20:51] <ochosi> and make it use the insensitive style, so it's clear you cant directly interact with it
[20:51] <ochosi> (thoughts)
[20:52] <bluesabre> makes sense
[20:52] <bluesabre> good thoughts
[20:53] <ochosi> wondering whether we should do something like that for parole too
[20:53] <ochosi> for the sake of consistency
[20:53] <ochosi> but in a dark style or something
[20:53] <bluesabre> dunno
[20:54] <bluesabre> mugshot is now ready to test
[20:54] <bluesabre> think I've got all the changes I care about in there
[20:55] <bluesabre> so icons are ready for new release?
[20:56] <ochosi> yup, unless we want a new logout icon
[20:56] <ochosi> then i need a few more minutes
[20:56] <bluesabre> ah
[20:56] <bluesabre> go ahead
[20:56] <bluesabre> no hurry here
[20:56] <bluesabre> still plenty o' sunlight
[20:57] <ochosi> :)
[21:02] <ochosi> hmm, do any of you have any idea where the aptdaemon-* icons would be used?
[21:03] <ochosi> there is a slew of icons that i could update, i've prepped it all already
[21:03] <ochosi> but i'm not sure i've seen them before
[21:03] <ochosi> (then again, i never use software center or the likes)
[21:03] <knome> me neither
[21:04] <ochosi> (sorry to be so blunt, but USC looks as bad as when it was first released...)
[21:05] <knome> probably
[21:05] <knome> so is synaptic actually dying or not?
[21:06] <ochosi> i think it's the same as it was years ago
[21:06] <ochosi> not sure that's actually an answer
[21:06] <ochosi> (if it was dying years ago already, it still is..?)
[21:07] <knome> doesn't look like there are very many serious updates
[21:08] <knome> a memory leak fix last year
[21:09] <knome> in 3+ years, it's come from 0.75.12 to 0.81.3
[21:09] <knome> that's something, right?
[21:10] <ochosi> it most certainly is... something.
[21:10] <ochosi> i mean yeah, it's still working
[21:10] <knome> if it wasn't something, it would be nothing!
[21:10] <ochosi> so what else would you want
[21:10] <knome> 1.x? :P
[21:13] <bluesabre> I kinda hope the package manager for snappy packages is called
[21:13] <bluesabre> snaptic
[21:13] <knome> :P
[21:14] <bluesabre> I think synaptic is gtk3 now
[21:14] <bluesabre> still custom widgetry, still kinda crappy
[21:14] <bluesabre> USC hasn't really changed at all
[21:14] <knome> but i guess: still so much better than USC...
[21:14] <drc> If synaptic has stopped being updated, is it because it's reached the point where further improvements would not be worth the effort or because it's basically been abandoned (except maybe security updates)?
[21:14] <knome> it's likely a bit of both
[21:15] <bluesabre> yeah
[21:15] <bluesabre> unmaintable mess
[21:15] <knome> yes
[21:15] <knome> also unspellable
[21:15] <bluesabre> pretty much
[21:16] <bluesabre> i dont try quiet so hurd thees daze
[21:16] <knome> >__<
[21:27] <ochosi> time to get some sleep
[21:27] <ochosi> night y'all!
[21:28] <knome> nighty simon
[21:28] <knome> bluesabre, and you mister, start working :D
[21:28] <ochosi> hehe
[21:28] <bluesabre> night ochosi 
[21:28] <bluesabre> knome: working hard already, see all the mugshot improvements ;)
[21:29] <knome> hah
[21:29] <knome> did you manage to lure ochosi to a webcam? :P
[21:31] <bluesabre> nope, just tried testing my own code
[21:31] <bluesabre> "let's see if this optional part is optional... nope, better fix"
[21:31] <knome> :D
[21:52] <bluesabre> knome: xubuntu-artwork uploaded
[21:53] <knome> great
[23:15] <knome> bluesabre, still no closed work items for you today ;)
[23:28] <bluesabre> knome: :(
[23:28] <bluesabre> if none today, at least two tomorrow
[23:28] <bluesabre> need somebody to test mugshot on a computer other than my own
[23:32] <bluesabre> and uploading xfdesktop tomorrow unless I hear a "oh no dont upload it!"
[23:33] <knome> :)