[08:11] Hi [08:12] I'm looking for person who well known init scripts in initramfs [08:13] valutcizen, just my two cents as an outsider but usually user support is in #xubuntu. Is there a specific issue with init scripts shipped in Xubuntu? [08:15] yes, I need someone to help with init ram disk (i can pay), becouse i want do do something like http://brainder.org/2011/11/29/installing-linux-in-a-file-in-an-ntfs-partition/ but initrd is different from suse or from 2011 [08:41] I think Ubuntu uses Upstart nowadays, not initrd [08:42] You'll get more replies in #xubuntu or #ubuntu than here by the way, this place is mostly for discussing development and packaging issues [09:15] ok, i will try [09:50] if we can't take donations as Xubuntu - why do Mate get away with it [09:53] flocculant, good question. [09:54] pleia2, insight plz? [09:56] morning knome [09:56] just happened to come across that [09:57] :) [09:57] i don't think canonical will put a lot of effort to stop that though [09:57] or i don't know [09:57] possibly not - but then there's nothing to stop us doing the same ;) [09:58] yeah.. [09:58] i wonder where the policy is set anyway [09:58] not a clue [09:58] or is it related to the trademarks [09:59] eg. we can't make money by using their trademark, or they'd lose it [10:00] kubuntu is getting money outside canonical too, but i don't think that's "wrong" [10:00] i mean as i understand it, they aren't making money out of it, they are just being paid to work on it [10:00] which is slightly different [10:00] ...The MATE one doesn't seem to know what to do with it anyway, but not a bit of it seems to ever to to Ubuntu itself. [10:00] don't necessarily think it's wrong - just think if others can we should too :) [10:01] no i mean i think that's different from MATE [10:01] and if what the MATE website says is true, i'm not sure if they are "making money out of ubuntu mate" either [10:01] they say it goes to hosting etc. [10:02] And the package maintainer for Fedora, Linux Mint, etc. [10:02] right [10:02] surely some of the work that kubuntu does helps other OSes too [10:03] I'd assume that's so [10:03] https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-june-2015-supporters/ specifically looking at that. [10:05] i wouldn't want to be the one to point out this to canonical, but otoh, it would be nice to know what their stance really is [10:05] and that said, we haven't used our previous funds either [10:05] Aha, in April they did donate to Ubuntu, OK. Eh, I don't know, yeah. [10:05] knome: And more to manage. [10:05] well, [10:06] if that meant we could pay $100+ for a developer each month, i don't think it was a bad thing [10:06] or two developers [10:11] right [10:12] (now i also acknowledge $100-150 per month isn't huge, but it is something) [10:13] 2-3 board games for example :P :P [10:13] :) [10:30] the "system is running on low power" notification should have one more button in addition to "suspend" and "power down" [10:31] "shut up, i'm plugging in" [10:31] or it should be wise enough to disappear when i plug in [10:31] Right click, or exit button. [10:32] or left click anything except the buttons [10:32] i know [10:32] Buuuut yes, not ideal. [10:32] "Shut up, I'm racing the battery and still think I can make it!" [10:34] that too [10:35] or [10:35] "Oh poop, I just need to start this presentation for a client so no can do!" [10:37] luckily i've never been in that situation [10:37] but who knows... [10:37] (For those wondering the end of the story, I didn't make it, it powered off. I had 3 more minutes.) [10:38] :P [10:38] (That's one time, I know I've done it more.) [10:39] :) [11:48] morning all [11:51] hey sean [11:54] hi bluesabre [11:58] bbl [12:05] how are things? [12:06] good here - you? [12:08] doing a-ok [12:08] \o/ [12:09] tomorrow is a holiday in the US, so hoping to clear out a few more workitems today and tomorrow [12:09] not seeing anything odd with the ppa xfdesktop btw - so we can have another \o/ [12:09] very cool [12:09] oh right - labour day or something isn't it? [12:09] mhm [12:09] work here - a normal labour day :D [12:09] :D [12:46] sidi: strange thing to send to xubuntu mailing list - especially if "To be eligible, you must: use Unity and Google Chrome/Chromium Browser" :p [12:48] flocculant, that's a typo :p im obviously opening it to Xfce [12:48] lemme fix it [12:48] :) [12:50] flocculant, thanks, updated it [12:50] i have someone already but you're very welcome to sign up for the real study in a few weeks! [12:50] * sidi goes lurk back in #shimmer before knome realises [12:51] yea - I've seen you talking about it in here ;) [12:51] cya [14:37] ochosi: I think overall numix is fine in wily [15:31] I think my sample application here should help make it clear that its a clutter issue: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754640 (there's nothing else going on in this file) [15:31] Gnome bug 754640 in x11 "UI freezes when clutter initializes" [Major,New] [15:32] just remove Clutter.init and it loads ;) [15:44] :) [16:45] bluesabre, i think i might have the final wallpaper for you [16:47] bluesabre, did you have the one for plymouth and lightdm already? [16:56] bluesabre: ok, then let's keep it as it is [16:57] bluesabre: if i push new wallpapers to lp:xubuntu-artwork, you'll take care of reviewing and uploading, right? [16:57] bluesabre, or do you rather want a merge proposal? [16:57] ochosi, ^ or if you can answer for bluesabre, i'm fine with that too ;) [16:58] i have the stuff committed and waiting finger on the trigger (enter) with the push command [16:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu3FTEmN-eg [17:02] "my finger... is on the button..." [17:11] knome: if you're not sure what you're doing and want a review, do a MR ;) [17:11] (that at least is my policy) [17:13] uh oh :P [17:14] bluesabre, you have a MP to review [17:15] setting my wallpaper item as done [17:17] i guess we can also mark the numix workitem as done [17:17] since bluesabre said it's ok in wily and getting in a new and fairly untested branch doesn't sound nice (especially since UIF is so close) [17:17] done [17:18] though numix doesn't likely affect UIF [17:18] because it's not used by default by anything [17:18] but if it's ok, then... it's ok [17:18] :) [17:19] knome: btw, there's a greybird MR on github you might be interested in reviewing [17:20] it's for greybird-a1y [17:20] aha... [17:20] i'll see [17:20] someone ported the greybird icons over to the xfwm4 deco i was working on [17:20] :) [17:21] what sucks a bit if we only ship that as xfwm4 theme without gtk theme is that CSD will look as in "normal" greybird [17:21] so sorta inconsistent [17:21] yeah... [17:21] there seems to be another MP [17:22] oh rly? [17:22] i only saw one when i looked on thursday [17:22] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/pull/103 [17:22] 18 hours ago [17:46] knome: thanks, I'll take a look [17:47] bluesabre, cheers [17:47] bluesabre: oh wow, i can't remember when we were both online at the same time :D [17:47] ochosi: that's because you get online for about 3 minutes at a time :p [17:47] ahahahhaaha! [17:47] hehe [17:47] so true... [17:48] agreed [17:48] well tonight i might have a few minutes more [17:48] a bit like slickymasterWork, but not so often [17:48] depending on whether there's work to do and whether anyone else will be around [17:48] cool [17:48] * knome ninjas [17:48] I'll be around most of the day [17:48] i'm around as well [17:48] micahg, hello? [17:48] we could almost do an impromptu meeting ;) [17:49] doing a new mugshot release today most likely, now that I've created a new upstream clutter bug [17:49] we can do that [17:49] bluesabre: yeah, saw the backlog. nice work on identifyiing that! [17:49] i wonder why nobody else seems to be hit by that [17:49] or why totem was hit at first and then not anymore [17:50] have any of you tested the new battery icons i pushed to elementary-xfce a while ago? [17:51] theyre a port from upstream [17:51] generally i really like them [17:51] downside is in notifications though they don't look so clear anymore, because the empty part of the battery has a transparent background [17:51] so in our notification colorscheme it's blackish [17:52] then again, it might not be a problem [17:52] ochosi: maybe you can make the batteries non-transparent like you did with the terminal [17:52] which is why it'd be great if you could give me a second opinion on this [17:52] bluesabre: sure, can do that [17:52] but since it's work, id rather have it tested first ;) [17:53] right [17:53] could also be that it looks odd when not being transparent [17:54] http://i.imgur.com/zSO1C9G.png [17:54] http://i.imgur.com/V50DEkz.png [17:54] that also illustrates it a bit [17:55] guess having the transparent bit being white there in the selected row would also look a tad off [17:55] * ochosi already forgot how the old icons looked there [17:56] ochosi, landed the change you were talking about on the timeline [17:57] nice [17:57] looks good! [17:58] ochosi: previous: http://i.imgur.com/SO3eki0.png [17:59] Unit193, ping? [18:00] bluesabre: i'm on a train atm, i'll be home in 30min, i can look then ;) [18:00] (yeah, it's not loading...9 [18:01] * bluesabre screenshots the screenshot [18:01] :p [18:02] new for comparison: http://i.imgur.com/8X6YeTF.png [18:02] lol [18:03] yeah, keep compressing it until it fits in irc ;) [18:03] cyphermox, xnox: either of you familiar with packageset hacking? we'd like shimmer-themes back to our packageset, since it seems to be snatched by kubuntu... :) [18:03] ASCII screenshots [18:03] i can paste the base64 data for you [18:03] :P [18:03] :) [18:03] that'd be fun [18:03] please pm that [18:04] so since you guys have likely seen the shots, what's your take on it? [18:04] is it ok as is? [18:04] on what exactly [18:04] the bg showing through? [18:04] yeah [18:04] i don't think it's totally ideal [18:04] or more generally: the new icons [18:04] but it's not a catastrophe either [18:04] ;) [18:04] new icons ++ [18:05] with greybird http://i.imgur.com/dtJPqKD.png [18:05] its just all blue [18:05] maybe the transparent part could be a bit less translucent [18:05] yeah, that's a bigger issue [18:06] if the translucent "base" was about what the left-side "reflection" is now, then it'd be good i think [18:06] that said, the notifications were what worried me [18:06] i haven't seen those [18:07] s/blue/black/ :> [18:07] ochosi: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [18:07] ochosi, can you tell me where the svg's are and i can try to do a mockup [18:07] ochosi, can you load this? http://i.imgur.com/T1onjQG.png [18:07] knome: most recent commit of elementary-xfce [18:08] do you see what i'm trying to say about "too much blue" [18:08] and "issue" [18:08] I'd have to deplete my battery more to show a worthwhile notification [18:08] yeah, could load that one [18:08] or actually [18:08] so if the "empty" part of the battery had some more white [18:08] like rgba( 255, 255, 255, 0.2 ) [18:08] ... [18:08] bluesabre: actually notifications mostly are interesting when the state is low ;) [18:09] gimme a sec, I'll make some notifications [18:12] http://i.imgur.com/18AB1M2.png [18:12] the second one is problematic... [18:12] ochosi: battery-empty-charging is a symbolic icon, ftr [18:13] COME ON [18:13] why can't i find those icons [18:13] * knome cries [18:13] lol [18:13] knome: you're not looking at the commit i suppose? :> [18:13] i am... [18:14] bluesabre: oh, i guess that would be another thing to fix then [18:14] it's just one file? [18:14] nooo [18:14] knome: https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily [18:14] * knome facepalms [18:14] knome: status/48 [18:14] nevermind. [18:14] i was looking in devices. [18:15] that's ok. [18:15] :> [18:15] which size are we using in the notifications and the settings manager? [18:15] bluesabre: empty-charging is there though [18:15] 48? [18:15] bluesabre: in status/48, not sure where you were looking [18:15] oh, 48 [18:15] ... [18:15] * knome slaps himself [18:16] knome: 48 for notifications and power-manager. 32 for the power-manager panel plugin's menu [18:16] i got to eat something to go with some medicine [18:16] be back in 5-10 [18:16] yeah, also gotta get off the train in 5mins [18:16] i'll be back for real in about 25mins [18:17] bluesabre: maybe a symlink somewhere is missing, the icon itself exists in the theme though [18:17] lunch time, bbabl [18:17] ochosi: I'll look into it [18:17] np [18:17] symlinks are easy enough for me to do [18:17] :D [18:17] hehe [18:33] bluesabre, ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/8xV89gV.png [18:35] ochosi, on the tracker, do you expand/collapse the specifications in the overview often? [18:35] ochosi, obviously you first need to expand them, but the question is if you actually toggle them a lot? [18:45] knome: yeah, that looks good. if you can mod and push that for all of them, that'd be great [18:46] and yeah, i do that usually (expand) [18:47] evening all [18:47] hey flocculant [18:47] ochosi, i guess i will do that this evening then... [18:47] awesome! [18:48] knome: nice [18:52] then all we'll need after that is bluesabre uploading those :) [18:52] yup [18:52] can upload those with the wp [18:53] huhu [18:58] knome: props for the new wallpaper [18:58] thanks [18:59] I'll merge the wp once and upload once you say the icons are ready ;) [19:00] without the first once [19:00] :D [19:00] :P [19:00] i better get working then, right? [19:00] :P [19:01] * bluesabre didn't say anything [19:01] tbh, it's not the most trivial thing [19:01] it's not too hard either, but it takes some time [19:01] no hurry [19:01] i know [19:02] but if i want to do it today... [19:05] knome: not that i wanna distract you, but i really like the release artwork we've done since 14.04, would be nice to use it on the website too somewhere [19:05] bluesabre: what's the status of catfish in wily? [19:05] or of the CSD/gtk316 branch [19:05] ochosi, ...yes? [19:05] ochosi: 1.3.0 (CSD) in wily [19:06] oh, i misinterpreted that workitem then. it says inprogress still [19:06] everything working except custom modification date, to be fixed in 1.3.1 today/tomorrow [19:06] yeah [19:06] "optional CSD" [19:06] ah ok [19:06] well... [19:06] change the title of the workitem then ;) [19:12] ochosi: are you on wily? [19:13] reprase: anybody around on wily with a webcam? [19:13] *rephrase [19:13] sheesh [19:13] bluesabre, A/S/L? [19:13] hoping to get a test on lp:mugshot [19:14] install gir1.2-cheese-3.0 and gir1.2-gtkclutter-1.0 [19:14] he clearly didn't get the joke... [19:14] bzr branch lp:mugshot; cd mugshot; sudo python3 setup.py install; CLUTTER_BACKEND=x11 mugshot [19:15] knome: jokes for me go well over my head [19:15] every time [19:15] :D [19:15] clearly... [19:22] bluesabre: can try that [19:23] starting up the VM now [19:24] meh [19:24] virtualbox crashed after activating the webcam... [19:25] so will have to wait until at least tomorrow until i get decent interwebs again [19:25] hah [19:25] #xubuntu-devel and the adventures with a lousy internet [19:26] lol [19:26] yeah :/ [19:31] 32 done... [19:31] yay [19:33] sweet [19:33] that took about 15 minutes [19:33] meh [19:33] i wasn't even really ircing that much [19:34] :> [19:35] wondering about panel/48/gpm-mouse-* [19:35] and panel/48/gpm-phone-* [19:35] maybe they aren't as critical [19:36] yeah [19:36] those aren't used anywhere by anything :) [19:36] also the devices/* icons seem to be different anyway [19:36] unless ofc you would be using the old gnome2 for realz [19:38] ok, pushed to master, plz review [19:39] maybe i should soonish be added to the AUTHORS file :> [19:39] oh, i'm in CONTRIBUTORS [19:39] that's fine i guess.. :P [19:39] since you're already pushing to master *for review* you could add yourself to any file ;) [19:39] hah [19:40] well i don't need a complete review... just that it's sane generally [19:40] and that it actually looks good and not shite [19:40] hehe [19:41] i guess i need to see them in context and for that to happen i'd have to fix my buildscript for the icons... [19:41] ochosi, got a reply to the "pressed buttons" pull request, maybe you want to reply there too.. [19:41] ok, will take a look now [19:47] knome: did you test the branch? [19:47] ochosi, no... [19:48] don't be silly [19:51] :) [19:51] ok, i did now [19:51] and commented [19:52] at first glance, your battery icons look perfect [19:52] only gotta see them in context now [19:52] * knome bows [19:52] so back to the buildscript... [19:58] awesome [19:58] gotta love upower's optimism [19:59] 60% == full (http://i.imgur.com/B016jop.png) [19:59] heh [19:59] so i gotta wait and waste cpu cycles now... [19:59] ;) [20:09] soooo [20:09] if it looks like before, does that mean... [20:09] 1) my buildscript doesn't work after all [20:10] 2) the icons in ~./icons aren't overriding the ones in /usr as they should or [20:10] 3) i need to refresh the icon cache in ~/.icons [20:10] (and yeah, wrong dot in 2)) [20:11] so supposedly, this is it: http://i.imgur.com/wikyIfO.png [20:11] nope... [20:12] nope is not one of the 3 options [20:12] i don't follow the rules [20:12] F the society! [20:13] * knome hides [20:13] ha ha ha [20:14] ok, i guess this is it: http://i.imgur.com/xTpKGI7.png [20:14] and yeah, better than before [20:14] yep [20:14] it's a single element in the svg with 20% opacity, it's easy now to bump it up if it feels too little [20:18] thats an impressive battery [20:18] better than my phone [20:18] phone batteries are lousy [20:19] :> [20:21] knome: anyway, looks good to go to me [20:21] yep, good [20:24] nice work [20:24] * knome bows [20:24] * knome 's back starts hurting of all this bowing [20:25] because obviously, the only way to bow is the royal way, bowing all the way to the floor with all the hand-rolling [20:25] knome should go bowling instead [20:25] my fingers don't like that [20:26] and my thumb is so big that i always have to bowl with balls like 18+ [20:26] which makes it REALLY heavy... [20:26] I've seen some folks throw the bowling ball sidearm [20:26] and not kill others [20:26] ...always? [20:26] :P [20:27] same folks could probably throw me sidearm [20:27] :| [20:27] :D [20:27] funneee [20:28] :> [20:29] you guys are killing it tonight [20:29] and i mean I.T. [20:31] :p [20:32] ochosi, I.C. [20:33] sigh [20:33] working on prepress for a hobby project isn't very fun after you've fed up with similar stuff in work [20:49] yeah, that doesn#t sound like much fun [20:49] bluesabre: hmm, i was wondering whether the bg color of the default view in catfish should be lighter [20:50] you know, the one with the "enter your query above..." [20:50] ochosi: was thinking the same [20:50] since all the other views are light too [20:50] also, you could then bump up the font size a bit [20:51] and make it use the insensitive style, so it's clear you cant directly interact with it [20:51] (thoughts) [20:52]