[04:58] <pitti> Good morning
[05:51] <happyaron> Laney: worked, thanks!
[06:29] <didrocks> good morning
[06:32] <larsu> good morning!
[06:35] <didrocks> hey larsu, how was your week-end?
[06:36] <larsu> didrocks, great! My niece had her first-day-of-school celebration :)
[06:36] <larsu> also I unpacked a lot of boxes and assembled furniture...
[06:36] <larsu> yours?
[06:36] <didrocks> Good, back to home! Spent then a quiet week-end, went to some friends and played board games
[06:37] <didrocks> first day of school, nice! :)
[06:37] <larsu> ya crazy
[06:37] <larsu> she even goes to the same elementary school as I did
[06:37] <larsu> they just moved into that neighborhood a year ago
[06:37] <didrocks> ahah
[06:37] <larsu> fun to see
[06:38] <didrocks> did you go back and saw how it changed?
[06:38] <larsu> ya
[06:38] <larsu> it all looks the same
[06:38] <larsu> a bit of renovations
[06:38] <larsu> and a small new building
[06:38] <larsu> but even the color stayed the same :)
[06:38] <didrocks> waow, interesting, not the same experience for me :)
[06:39] <larsu> it all changed?
[06:40] <didrocks> yeah, modern colors, big renovation, new rooms…
[06:40] <didrocks> that's when you want to go back to school for a bit! :)
[06:40] <larsu> elementary school?
[06:40] <larsu> hm ... could do
[06:41] <didrocks> yeah, easy life then!
[06:41] <larsu> they colored the first letter of their name on their first day
[06:41] <larsu> I think I can manage that
[06:41] <didrocks> ahah
[06:41] <didrocks> and how is your accomodation lookin?
[06:41] <didrocks> looking*
[06:41] <larsu> actually she should be on her first "real" day now
[06:41] <larsu> err.... better
[06:41] <larsu> still lots of boxes and stuff
[06:42] <didrocks> I imagine :p
[06:42] <larsu> but a wardrobe and my desk are up
[06:42] <larsu> that helped the chaos *a lot*
[06:42] <larsu> still no internet :/
[06:42] <didrocks> I guess!
[06:42] <didrocks> yeah, not surprised :/
[06:42] <didrocks> do you have any ETA?
[06:43] <larsu> it's all messed up - telekom and the building's electrician are fighting about what needs to be done
[06:43] <larsu> it's a bit ridiculous...
[06:43] <larsu> you'd think they know how to connect a freaking dsl line these days
[06:43] <didrocks> got exactly your case in Paris in 2008: was between France Télécom (now Orange) and my ISP provider
[06:43] <didrocks> they all said to have done their work
[06:44] <didrocks> and it was the other's fault
[06:44] <larsu> ya
[06:44] <larsu> :/
[06:44] <didrocks> well, first, that it was mine and that I can't setup a dsl box…
[06:44] <larsu> BUT I STILL DONT HAVE INTERNET!!!!!111!
[06:44] <larsu> lol, seriously?
[06:44] <didrocks> so had to wait a month for something to come and check that yeah… I can do that :p
[06:44] <larsu> plug it in and wait
[06:44] <larsu> lol
[06:44] <didrocks> right :/
[06:44] <didrocks> how to lose a month
[06:45] <didrocks> good luck I guess, that's the only way you can go through… be patient…
[06:45] <TheMuso> Good morning guys.
[06:45] <larsu> hi TheMuso! What's up?/
[06:45] <TheMuso> Hey larsu.
[06:46] <TheMuso> Your DSL issues remind me of many an issue many people have trying to get DSL here in Australia,e xcept all our phone lines are owned by one somewhat monopolistic carrier thats privately owned.
[06:47] <larsu> TheMuso, ya, we have this too. They have to rent out the lines to other providers, because market. But then they still need to come connect stuff and they give their own customers priority
[06:47] <didrocks> hey TheMuso!
[06:47] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks.
[06:47] <didrocks> same here as well
[06:48] <pitti> hey didrocks and larsu!
[06:48]  * pitti waves to TheMuso, how are you?
[06:48] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti
[06:48] <larsu> guten morgen pitti! Wie geht's dir?
[06:48] <TheMuso> pitti: Well thanks. Yourself?
[06:49] <pitti> quite well, thanks! I was alone at the weekend, so spent it with some gardening, running, and playing basketball
[06:49] <pitti> but also pizza delivery and watching like 12 episodes of "Orange is the new Black", bachelor style :)
[06:50] <pitti> this is a really good series, much more interesting than the two line summary let me hope for
[06:50] <larsu> yeah I have heard good things about it as well
[06:51] <larsu> does anyone know who maintains ubuntu-geonames?
[06:51]  * larsu hopes the answer isn't "larsu"
[06:51] <larsu> it's really, really broken
[06:52] <didrocks> pitti: oh, so you recommend it? We only tried to watch the first episod with Julie and we weren't convinced
[06:53] <didrocks> larsu: it's not larsu, it's Lars! :)
[06:53] <larsu> "Berli" should really be a superset of "Berlin"
[06:53] <larsu> it returns 3 cities, none of them Berlin
[06:53] <larsu> whereas Berlin returns >10, including every district name
[06:54] <didrocks> yeah… agreed on geoname situation :/
[06:54] <larsu> same for other cities. Bug #1045224 is about Paris for example
[06:54] <larsu> didrocks, if this doesn't get fixed I'll turn it off in system settings
[06:54] <larsu> the phone doesn't use it either iirc
[06:54] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, as always one needs to get over the first two episodes or so, but it develops quickly
[06:56] <didrocks> pitti: ok, we'll maybe try a little bit more then
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: I can relate to that -- when you arrive at something new, everythign seems hostile and fierce, but once you get to know people it becomes much more interesting
[06:56] <didrocks> larsu: agreed
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: they really captured that "rough but honest" spirit that's going on in a prison; well, matter of taste perhaps
[06:56] <larsu> xnox' first comment on that Paris bug is hilarious
[06:57] <larsu> "just type 'Paris'. Importance -> Low"
[06:57] <didrocks> larsu: heh :)
[06:57] <didrocks> larsu: I disagree thought it's a "low" priority
[06:58] <didrocks> it's the kind of things that makes the experience lower than standard quality expectations
[06:58] <didrocks> (even without trolling on Paris :p)
[06:58] <pitti> "just type 'Paris'. Importance -> Low" is such a good flamebait for a context-less quotes page
[06:58] <larsu> ya, it looks very unprofessional
[06:59] <didrocks> pitti: you wouldn't have a lot of people to deny this fact though :p Only upset parisians ;)
[06:59] <larsu> maybe I should file a bug about a better city?
[06:59] <didrocks> Lyon? ;)
[07:00] <didrocks> TBH, for a long time I didn't switch to Lyon as my place in the settings due to that bug
[07:00] <didrocks> I types Lyo -> no Lyon
[07:00] <larsu> ah, there's one about Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
[07:00] <pitti> didrocks: seulement les 2.2 mio habitants -- plus les quelque mio touristes d'autres pays :)
[07:00] <didrocks> so why continue typing? It's obviously not there :p
[07:00] <didrocks> pitti: broutille! :)
[07:00] <larsu> didrocks, ya...
[07:00] <larsu> this is precisely the problem
[07:01] <pitti> http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=Augsbu%
[07:01] <pitti> RAGE!
[07:01] <larsu> ok let's file a bug about that, maybe pitti will fix it
[07:01] <didrocks> pitti is down the street with burn torchs due to ubuntu geoname :p
[07:01] <larsu> haha
[07:01] <pitti> but does that really do substring search?
[07:01] <larsu> let's channel all that rage into patches
[07:01] <pitti> I tried it with several names, and it only seems to accept actual city names, not substrings
[07:02] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, seems it's the behavior
[07:02] <larsu> pitti, I think it does substrings, but only on word boundaries
[07:02] <pitti> http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=Berl
[07:02] <pitti> larsu: ^ or on unicode characters
[07:02] <pitti> what kind of broken result is that??
[07:02] <larsu> pitti, Berlin-Marzahn gets matched for "Berlin"for example
[07:02]  * didrocks is puzzled
[07:02] <pitti> "name" : "Berlīne"
[07:02] <larsu> totally broken
[07:03] <didrocks> yeah, that one should report nothing
[07:03] <larsu> (leaving out the fact that "Berlin-Marzahn shouldn't even be in there)
[07:03] <didrocks> as per other behavior
[07:05]  * larsu wonders where "Lungsod ng München" is
[07:05] <larsu> that's the 2nd result for "München"
[07:05] <larsu> sigh
[07:06] <larsu> I'll turn it off and use local cities only
[07:06] <larsu> in fact, I think having only major cities for time zones would be more than enough
[07:06] <larsu> but probably people will get mad if I do that :)
[07:10] <pitti> in all fairness you probably would query a geoip lookup service for, well, coordinates, not name substrings?
[07:10] <pitti> I wonder why that doesn't work
[07:10] <pitti> at least not on the phone
[07:10] <pitti> but I also never saw it working on the desktop, just in ubiquity
[07:11] <pitti> the interwebs knows pretty damn well where I am (and a lot about what I do and like too), after all
[07:12] <larsu> pitti, indeed. I don't know what the original purpose of this was, but using it in sugges-as-you-type UI is just wrong
[07:12] <larsu> *suggest
[07:32]  * larsu changes location. brb
[07:35] <Mirv> could someone top-ack https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/lp-1406972/+merge/259239 ? knome is cautious about merging, but it'd be nice to have.
[07:37] <didrocks> Mirv: done
[07:37] <Mirv> didrocks: thanks!
[07:37] <didrocks> yw ;)
[07:37] <pitti> done
[07:37] <pitti> ah, didrocks beat me to it
[07:38] <didrocks> for once!!! \o/
[07:38] <knome> didrocks, pitti: thanks, i'll go merge it next
[07:55] <willcooke> Morning all
[08:00] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> ahoy!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey hey Laneyyyyyyy!
[08:06] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:06] <larsu> oh hi willcooke as well
[08:06] <larsu> how are you guys?
[08:12] <Laney> ANNOYED
[08:12] <Laney> i tried to make jam last night
[08:12] <Laney> and this recipe was like DEAR LORD NEVER STIR IT
[08:12] <Laney> so i didn't
[08:12] <Laney> and loads of shit burned to the bottom of the pan
[08:12] <Laney> 1) ruined jam 2) pan which takes ages to clean
[08:12] <willcooke> Buy a new pan.
[08:13] <willcooke> I did the same, and could never get it off
[08:13] <Laney> I got to use a home hack that someone told me once
[08:13] <willcooke> and the stuck on bits cause new bits to catch
[08:13] <Laney> water and laundry detergent + boiling
[08:13] <pitti> hey Laney, hello willcooke
[08:13] <willcooke> o/
[08:13] <larsu> uh oh
[08:13] <Laney> that working was the only cool bit
[08:13] <larsu> poor Laney
[08:13] <willcooke> Laney, oh cool, did it work then?
[08:13] <Laney> huge bits of black grime scraping off
[08:14] <Laney> annoying though
[08:14] <Laney> we went foraging on saturday to get the fruit for it
[08:14] <Laney> wasted :(
[08:14] <pitti> wow, a recipe that says "never stir"??
[08:15] <pitti> that sounds like a scam
[08:15] <Laney> it was quite strong about it too
[08:15] <Laney> at least now I know...
[08:15] <Laney> (hey pitti!)
[08:16] <pitti> hm,  so perhaps one can make that in the oven, but not on a stove?
[08:16] <pitti> I heard from people who did that, to avoid stirring for 2 h when you make plum jam
[08:16] <pitti> but we never tried (we just suffer through the stirring)
[08:19] <Laney> that was on the stove
[08:20] <Laney> In retrospect I think that it was just to stop you stirring the scum back in
[08:20] <Laney> but who cares about that
[08:20] <Laney> at least now I know where there are local plum and apple trees :)
[08:32] <larsu> what's up with https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gsettings-qt/support-ass/+merge/269045 ? Is anybody landing it?
[08:33]  * larsu hates that he has to chase these down
[08:38] <xnox> larsu: ?! =)
[08:39] <xnox> larsu: ah, yeah.
[08:41] <Laney> Wasn't it going to be uploaded together with the thing that needed it?
[08:47] <anpok_> Laney: hm I looked into running gtk 3.14 (i guess it is the same for 3.16) on one of the phones
[08:48] <Laney> I think you're going to want attente. :)
[08:48] <anpok_> hm I think on arale and mako, maybe on all of them - we dont have rgba8888 available.
[08:48] <Laney> Ya, sorry
[08:48] <anpok_> i'll take you instead, untill he wakes up:)
[08:48] <Laney> I can't help, I don't even know what that is
[08:48] <anpok_> ok
[08:48] <Laney> sorry!
[08:49] <Laney> also didn't I see him talking about that the other day?
[08:49] <anpok_> yes..
[08:49] <anpok_> i just realized that we would have to patch cairo to support bgr surfaces
[10:08] <desrt_> hi desktop
[10:09] <larsu> morning desrt!
[10:17] <willcooke> hi desrt
[10:18] <Laney> desrt riding the jet lag
[10:59] <desrt> jet lag is lovely :)
[11:00] <desrt> also lovely: holiday mondays
[11:00] <desrt> odd that i feel like working anyway...
[11:07] <Laney> qengho: are you looking into the failing chromium tests?
[11:16]  * desrt contemplates an interesting infinite loop
[11:17] <desrt> inotify_add_watch with IN_ONLYDIR returns ENOTDIR, so establish the watch without and stat() the file to find out that it is actually a dir...
[11:17] <desrt> now what?
[11:17] <desrt> try again?
[11:17] <desrt> presumably this happens because the FS changed under us, but i can also imagine that this occurs on some weird filesystems and now we've gotten into an infinite loop
[11:22] <larsu> desrt, throw an error?
[11:23] <desrt> i actually think the correct thing to do might be to do nothing
[11:24] <desrt> it's weird because i also have to entertain the possibility that the change happened after i made the watch but before i did the stat
[11:24] <desrt> in which case i'm watching the wrong thing
[11:25] <larsu> hm, indeed
[11:25] <desrt> but in that case, i think the move/delete of the old thing will get flagged anyway, and we'll be back to where we are supposed to have been in the first place
[11:25] <larsu> tricky
[11:25] <desrt> so even though i didn't monitor it _as_ a directory, i can safely assume that it is in fact a directory
[11:25] <desrt> since otherwise i'll find out about it soon anyway
[11:26] <desrt> thanks for rubber-ducking me :)
[11:26] <larsu> hopefully :)
[11:26] <larsu> sure!
[11:26] <larsu> desrt, to be precise, I think you rubber-ducked me
[11:26] <desrt> right
[11:26] <desrt> well thanks for allowing yourself to be rubber-ducked :)
[11:27] <larsu> pleasure
[11:39]  * willcooke feeds bread to larsu and desrt 
[11:39] <desrt> quack
[11:39] <desrt> oh.  speaking of ducks.
[11:39] <Chipaca> .bang
[11:39] <Chipaca> oh, wait, we aren't playing that
[11:39] <desrt> i'm planning to go to cincinatti soon
[11:39]  * Chipaca has his xchat highlight "quack" for some arcane reason
[11:39] <willcooke> XD
[11:41] <larsu> desrt: are there many ducks in Cincinatti?
[11:42] <desrt> yes
[11:42] <desrt> or there will be
[11:42] <larsu> oh. Mallard balls!
[11:44] <desrt> amongst other things
[11:45] <davmor2> Chipaca: why wouldn't you?
[11:45] <Chipaca> davmor2: I have no answer to that.
[11:45] <Chipaca> davmor2: note i said "has", not "had". There just is no good reason to unset that option.
[11:46] <davmor2> Chipaca: ofcourse we now know we can chant quack at any point to annoy you ;)
[11:47] <davmor2> Chipaca: on a plus side it is so much nicer than ping
[11:47] <Chipaca> davmor2: there are more, easier things to chant to annoy me
[11:48] <davmor2> Chipaca: Startreking across the universe, never gonna give you up, fling a chicken in the air......I probable know them all ;)
[11:51] <Chipaca> davmor2: apparently, the thing that gets me the most annoyed is when i call you to set the dinner table and you ignore me completely
[11:51] <Chipaca> but that only is effective after a really long work week, and only after a few times of same
[11:52] <davmor2> Chipaca: I can see kids involved here too, to be honest, they are specifically designed to annoy parents did you not realise that?
[11:53] <Chipaca> davmor2: i thought that was operating systems
[11:53] <larsu> operating systems annoy their parents?
[11:53] <davmor2> Chipaca: no that is adults/kids/coders not parents
[13:03] <Laney> tjaalton: Any chance you know how to fix this kind of thing https://i216573564.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/216573564/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-armhf.gst-plugins-bad1.0_1.5.90-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz?token=s1Djdnr1FZb6FNMr5WJm7V58BGw17B7d ? (search for 'conflicting types')
[13:03] <Laney> tjaalton: I found gnome bug #721299 which is sort of similar but different types
[13:03] <Laney> & they say it is mesa
[13:08] <tjaalton> huh, ok
[13:09] <Laney> tjaalton: Just wondering if you know, if not I can dig more
[13:11] <tjaalton> it's first time for me
[13:11] <Laney> 'k
[13:13] <tjaalton> oh wth, bug 1433013 is still there
[13:14] <tjaalton> didn't check before upgrading to wily
[13:20] <didrocks> willcooke: nice one to set on your quality list btw ^ (but the fix is on upstart side, we need someone from the foundation team to have a look)
[13:22] <willcooke> didrocks, which one?
[13:22] <didrocks> willcooke: 2 lines above? bug #1433013
[13:22] <willcooke> got it
[13:22]  * willcooke adds tag
[13:23] <tjaalton> nice
[15:31] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, http://i.imgur.com/Ir9Abh5.jpg
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: awesome!
[15:32] <didrocks> oh, you have some power adapter, lucky you :p
[16:45] <Laney> tedg: hey, any chance you can help look at https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-wily/wily/ppc64el/d/dbus-test-runner/20150907_135149@/log.gz ?
[16:45] <Laney> dbus-test-runner fails its tests on ppc64el
[16:45] <Laney> I can reproduce it on the porter machine (not as reliably as on the real machines it seems)
[17:04] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12308415/ <- is that a race?
[17:05] <Laney> GetNameOwner while it doesn't have an owner, NameOwnerChanged before that returns -> never learn that it exists
[17:05] <Laney> desrt: ↑ (and if so, what's a good way to avoid that?)
[17:06]  * Laney has to go, but brains appreciated
[17:06] <Laney> bye!
[17:07] <davmor2> Laney: is a zombie apparently is all I can deduce from that line
[18:51] <willcooke> larsu, can you chip in on the OSB email, let me know what you think the best option is please
[20:00] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[20:00] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[20:09] <willcooke> gnight all