[09:04] <Slex> hello, i have a litlle question. Where can I find DbusMenu specification?
[09:05] <Slex> little*
[09:16] <Saviq> Slex, DBusMenu is old news, GMenuModel is the new kid on the block, I believe
[09:16] <Saviq> larsu, can you confirm ↑?
[09:17] <Slex> ok, however I need the specs, in this case, of GMenuModel
[09:19] <Slex> I have to implement menus over dbus on my own global menu
[09:25] <Saviq> dednick_, maybe you can point Slex in the right direction?
[09:27] <larsu> Saviq, Slex: yep, we're using GMenuModel for most things now
[09:28] <larsu> Slex, what do you want to do?
[09:28] <dednick_> Saviq, Slex: good question! tedg ^
[09:28] <dednick_> but yeah, we're trying not to use that any more i believe
[09:28] <Slex> I'm a gnustep contrib/developer. I need to code a simple menu bar to explore how to integrare gnustep apss in the ubuntu global menu
[09:29] <Slex> we have something that is working, but a bit bad for no
[09:29] <Slex> now
[09:30] <dednick_> Slex: the only place i know: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dbusmenu-team/libdbusmenu/trunk.15.10/view/head:/libdbusmenu-glib/dbus-menu.xml
[09:30] <Slex> that is a specs?
[09:31] <dednick_> it's the dbus interface spec.
[09:31] <dednick_> Slex: ^
[09:31] <Slex> Ok thanks
[09:32] <larsu> Slex, just use GMenuModel from GLib
[09:32] <larsu> dbusmenu might become derecated at some point, and it's much more complicated
[09:32] <dednick_> larsu: qt is exported by dbusmenu in unity i think
[09:33] <larsu> dednick_, they should change as well :)
[09:33] <dednick_> larsu: intending to move everything to gmenumodel for u8.
[09:33] <dednick_> "in prgress"
[09:33]  * larsu nods
[09:34] <Slex> I have to think here. This means I need to link gnustep apps to gtk GLib
[09:36] <larsu> we might at some point make that interface public as well
[09:36] <larsu> but I don't know for sure
[09:36] <Slex> why is not public?
[09:38] <larsu> there was no need to and we aren't sure if it needs to change at some point
[09:39] <Slex> ok
[09:39] <larsu> what does GNUStep use to talk to dbus?
[09:39] <Slex> ouw dbuskit
[09:39] <Slex> https://github.com/gnustep/dbuskit
[09:40] <Slex> there's also an example of a simple theme working with ubuntu global menu. At leat with 14.10, I still not tested with 15.04
[09:40] <larsu> ah, libdbus-1
[09:42] <Slex> is it bad?
[09:42] <Slex> well, I know it is out of the box
[09:46] <larsu> it's got some issues (mostly related to threading) and is hardly maintained
[09:46] <larsu> but it's still in use by qt and some other things
[09:47] <Slex> o is better the one in glib?  libdbus-glib?
[09:48] <larsu> no, libdbus-glib is even worse
[09:48] <larsu> gdbus (which is built into glib) is what gnome applications use these days
[09:53] <Slex> ok thank you. It's a bit bad that gnustep is falling completely in the oblivion. Bad coice in the past by previous devs, like mantaining the old fashion NeXT unwatchable theme; I know that for us involved developers, the theme is not so important, because gnustep is themable, but  for news developers, is importat becase no one want to write a 2015 application with this look :(
[09:53] <Slex> http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/screenshots/gnustep.jpg
[10:02] <Slex> However I wrote a new theme, that could become the default theme in gnustep-nextgen
[10:02] <Slex> https://github.com/AlessandroSangiuliano/rik.theme
[10:03] <Slex> (screenshot at the bottom of the page)
[14:04] <ennui`> i've built the current unity8 trunk on wily and i'd like to run it.
[14:04] <ennui> run.sh doesn't work, since `initctl status unity8` outputs "unknown job unity8"
[14:04] <ennui`> is there any up-to-date guide to get started?