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lordievaderGood morning.06:43
Number5Hello guys, I have an Ubuntu server running with a replaced network card. Now I have the problem it doesn't detect the network card, although the hardware is detected by the OS. I've commented out all adapters in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-.... file. Now the adapter appears after 'ifconfig' but it doesn't have an ip. I also set eth0 to dhcp for automatic ip assignment.07:34
Number5Isn't there a standard procedure to configure a replaced network card?07:34
Number5Now I don't have an ip address just because I replaced my ethernet adapter :(07:34
lordievaderNumber5: What is the output of 'ip l'?07:42
Number5ok, I have to go to the other room, be right back07:43
Number5well, I get a bunch of line, from lo to eth 3 or 4 Where lo and eth 0 seems to be active and others are in a DOWN state. Could it be that it goes wrong with dhcp? I can try to assign eth0 a static ip. See if that works.07:47
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Number5Wait, I'll check whether the utp cable is plugged in, if that's the case arrggghhhh07:48
Number5lordievader, I didn't have connection, so that's why I couldn't post the output.07:56
lordievaderRight... That does make things harder. Anyhow is the nic you want up?07:58
Number5Anyway, I solved the problem, because on the backside I found 2 ethernet connections, and one of them was not connected. After I connected the other one the problem is fixed. It's my fault, next time I don't have to rely on my colleague >:(07:58
Number5He needed the server for his own testing (running windose) after that I don't know what he did.08:00
Number5lordievader, thnx for trying to help me :)08:02
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rbasaksmb: around?08:27
roziehi. I just hit http://askubuntu.com/questions/670106/igb-detected-tx-unit-hang but. I use 14.04 LTS and have spare machine to test09:40
rozieon production "solved" by downgrading to 3.16.0-46-generic, but it's short term workaround. I wonder how to handle this situation09:41
roziewill it be fixed in next kernel release?09:41
mnms_Hi guys. Can I do software RAID 10 on Ubuntu ?09:58
mnms_there are some limitation for RAID types ?09:59
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andolmnms_: "Currently, Linux supports LINEAR md devices, RAID0 (striping), RAID1 (mirroring), RAID4, RAID5, RAID6, RAID10 ...", according to mdadm(8)10:12
RoyKmnms_: generally, don't use raid10 - it's a raid level that's somewhat been forgotten about and it lacks the flexibility other levels have10:12
RoyKmnms_: I'd recommend setting up mirrors and using LVM to stripe over those10:12
andolRoyK: That is not an unversially agreed upon opinion.10:12
RoyKandol: by whom?10:12
RoyKandol: you can't grow a raid10... which sucks10:13
andolRoyK: Which may or may not matter depending on the situation. On the other hand it gives you much better perforamnce than raid5 or raid6.10:14
RoyKandol: you'll get similar performance with lvm striping over mirrors10:16
RoyKandol: but then again, just my opinions here. I really hate RAID sets that can't be changed10:17
rozieRoyK: raid10 has many advantages. it is advised even for 2 drives10:23
rozieat least by some people http://blog.a2o.si/2014/09/07/linux-software-raid-why-you-should-always-use-raid-10-instead-of-raid-1/10:24
rozieIMHO "cannot grow" isn't really an issue - you also "cannot" grow raid1 or raid510:25
RoyKrozie: you can grow *and* shrink raid[56]10:33
RoyKactually, you can grow any raid level except raid1010:34
RoyKsee mdadm(8)10:34
mnms_I would like to create NAS for my backups10:34
rozieraid[56] is very slow, so out of interest10:34
mnms_and I thought raid 10 will be best option for me10:34
RoyKmnms_: for backup, I'd use raid5 or raid6 - raid[56] is fast enough and raid6 is actually safer than raid1010:35
RoyKfast enough for backup10:35
RoyKslower on iops10:35
maswanrozie: depends on the application, it is good for reading10:35
RoyKbut fast on squencial i/o10:35
RoyKmaswan: it's not bad on writing either - CPUs are fast enough to deal with parity generations these days10:36
maswanRoyK: As long as it is sequential, random writes or too many streams that it ends up like random is not very fun10:37
maswanbut for reading it is like an n-1 or n-2 stripe in speed10:37
RoyKmaswan: well, we have > 200TiB on disk for VM storage, mostly on RAID-6 - it works, and it works well. So please tell me *why* it works ;)10:38
maswanRoyK: do you have a write-back cache for that raid?10:39
maswanalso, random VMs seldom have high IO demands10:39
roziewell, had very bad experience with raid5 on hardware controlers. raid10 works like a charm10:40
roziemnms_: for NAS - depends how you predict growth. I'd probably just go N times raid110:41
rozieeven without lvm, but if you want continous space, use lvm10:42
mnms_rozie: so just simple mirror ntohing more ?10:42
mnms_rozie: I mean without stripe ?10:42
roziedepends what you NAS will do. but IMO NAS rarely needs performance10:43
rozieespecially write performance10:43
rozieand raid10 gives you mostly write performance10:44
mnms_rozie: good then, cause mostly I will make a backups and do write operations10:47
mnms_rather then read, occasionaly10:47
RoyKmaswan: about 200 VMs currently ;)10:47
rozieRoyK: 200TB for 200 VPS? it's 1TB/VPS, so probably number of drives does the thing10:50
RoyKrozie: *lots* of different VMs, from tiny to huge. Just trying to illustrate that raid6 works well. You don't need r10 for everything - *most* stuff runs well with raid[56]10:54
roziewell, have opposite experience. but shared hosting and hardware raid, not VMs and softraid10:56
RoyKrozie: it all depends on your application10:57
rozieagreed. and raid5 requires checksumming to be done10:59
roziebut if you have fast CPU and can sacrifice it - may work11:00
RoyKraid5 doesn't require checksumming - it's just parity - and that doesn't consume much cpu, in fact, very little cpu. please don't misinform people11:01
rozieyep, parity11:02
rozieI wonder why it was so slow on hardware controllers, then11:03
rozie(different types)11:03
RoyKbecause most hardware controllers have a crappy processor and slow/narrow memory buses11:03
RoyKenterprise raid systems always use more or less regular PC systems for their "controllers"11:04
roziebut returning to my problem: I was hit by kernel bug http://askubuntu.com/questions/670106/igb-detected-tx-unit-hang can I expect it to be fixed in next kernel release?11:10
maswanRoyK: hardware controllers have gotten better the last 5 years or so, 10 years it was common to get a controller for 12 drives where the maximum throughput of the raid processor in single stream read or write was less than the raw throughput of a single drive.11:13
RoyKmaswan: memory bandwidth in PC systems has gotten a wee bit better the last 10 years too ;)11:19
RoyKmaswan: so has buses11:19
maswanRoyK: Yup. I still see limits in the HW raid controllers, but at least it is at aroudn 15-20 disks not 0.5-1 disks in MB/s. Software raid has roughly been faster than spinning disks since pentium III, in my experience.11:27
jpdsRoyK: I hear NVMe SSDs with bcache are all the rage these days11:33
* patdk-lap wonders how something can be faster than what it's build on11:37
patdk-lapmirrors you loose half your speed, and other types you loose parity speed11:38
RoyKjpds: just got these https://oc.karlsbakk.net/index.php/s/r7pz44kgJSJmyPG for testing vmware vsan ;)11:38
RoyKpatdk-lap: you get better iops with striped mirrors than with parity-based stuff11:38
patdk-lapyou still lost half your iops11:39
patdk-lapover the raw disk speeds11:39
maswanpatdk-lap: A raid10 of 6 drives should have roughly 3x one drive for write speed and 6x for read speed11:39
patdk-lapstill attempting to understand how softare raid can be faster than the disks it's built on11:39
maswanpatdk-lap: Faster than one individual disk11:39
RoyKmaswan: that 6x is highly theoretical ;)11:39
maswanRoyK: Yeah, I should have said 3-6x.11:40
patdk-lapmaswan, raid should always be faster than a single disk, or you seriously screwed it up11:40
patdk-lapeven back in 386 days11:40
maswanpatdk-lap: Yup. For a long, long time HW raid controllers did.11:40
patdk-lapeven software11:41
patdk-lapthe problem back then, was not the software, but not using a good hba11:41
maswanpatdk-lap: pci-x era raid controllers where a single drive do 100MB/s and the raid controller tops out at 80MB/s...11:41
patdk-lapthe built in ide ports on motherboards are just horrible11:41
patdk-lapmaswan, dunno about your pcix card11:41
patdk-lapmine got a nice 300MB/sec11:41
patdk-lapnormally maxing out pci-x11:42
maswanpatdk-lap: Then you got lucky. Some of them did go pretty fast, but far from all of them.11:42
patdk-lapnormally used pcix adaptec scsi hba's on my p3's back then11:43
maswanpatdk-lap: plain scsi hbas, or hw raid controllers doing parity?11:43
jpdsRoyK: Not on the openstack bandwagon yet?11:43
patdk-lapboth, normally used hw raid11:44
RoyKjpds: not yet11:45
maswanEven today, the P822 we got the other day for our VM hosting tops out at roughly 15 of our 25 spinning disks11:46
jamespagecoreycb`, hey - I think we'll need to add a dependency on pymysql for all openstack python-XXX's otherwise upgrades will break for existing deployments.11:57
bananapiecan someone remind me of the magical command that builds a .deb package automatically from any sources without the debian directory?12:55
bananapiecheckinstall12:55
bananapiethanks :D12:55
jpdsrozie: Can you /join #ubuntu-kernel about the igbe bug?12:59
rozieoh my, third channel... joining right now13:04
coreycb`jamespage, ok.  I added a pymysql dependency to most of the core openstack packages as well, for sqlalchemy.13:11
jamespagecoreycb`, some get it for free via taskflow but better to be explicit I think13:11
jamespagecoreycb`, I've jammed most of the dependency bumps that zigo did in experimental into wily-proposed13:12
jamespagecoreycb`, that's going to create some instability until we get the b3 milestones uploaded13:13
coreycb`jamespage, ok13:13
jamespagecoreycb`, oh and I uploaded 2.4.0 of swift yesterday - finally got ontop of the erasurecode dep chain issues13:13
coreycb`jamespage, yay!13:13
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jamespagecoreycb, indeed13:16
jamespagecoreycb, its an un-optimize erasure coding dep chain, but it is functional13:17
med_jamespage, smoser , zul etc: occasionally in an openstack cloud rebooting a Trusty cloud image just hangs at the GRUB prompt.15:10
med_no console attached so it is not errant keys15:10
med_does this ring any bells?15:10
med_(Kilo OpenStack cloud, kvm/libvirt env, Trusty cloud image.)15:10
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smosermed_, probably the system didn't fully boot previously and grub is waiting for interaction.15:59
smoserrbasak, do you recall that bug for grub timeout after failed boot ?15:59
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med_smoser, thanks.16:04
rbasaksmoser:16:04
rbasakhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/144373516:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1443735 in grub2 (Ubuntu Vivid) "recordfail false positive causes headless servers to hang on boot by default" [High,Fix released]16:04
med_looking16:04
smoserit does seem if you're using up to date images you shoudlnt see that16:05
med_not sure how up to date ours is but this looks like a strong work around at worst. Thanks Robie and Scott.16:07
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lorek123Hi, i needed to test my servers for ssl2 vulns so i installed openssl packets as in http://www.techstacks.com/howto/enable-sslv2-and-tlsv12-in-openssl-101c-on-ubuntu-1304.html. Now i have problem with skype installation because of no i386 packets. Are there any possibilites to fix this without reinstalling whole system? I'm now on ubuntu 15.0417:26
marcvHello, I'd like to get an ubuntu vagrant box corresponding to the ubuntu server 14.04 installed on my production server (not installed by vagrant). Anyone knows how I could know if I have to get the "-juju" box or the one without "-juju" on this page https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/trusty/current/ ?17:27
marcvDoes anyone know the difference between an install of trusty-server-cloudimg-i386-juju-vagrant-disk1.box and the same *without* -juju in the name?17:28
bekkslorek123: Are you running 13.04?17:30
lorek123no, 15.0417:30
bekksah.17:30
RoyKlorek123: without answering, I'd strongly suggest using LTS for servers17:31
bekksmarcv: I guess you're faster setting up a server from the "normal" iso :)17:33
marcvbekks: why do you think so?17:33
bekksmarcv: Because I just deployed a new vm, from the normal ISO, within less than 5 minutes.17:37
marcvWell, my goal is to get the exact same install (same packages, same versions) as my production server.17:38
marcvI don't want just any ubuntu17:38
marcvI only know that my server runs a Ubuntu server 14.04, so my idea is to start the process by installing this exact version17:39
bekksInstall an stock Ubuntu of the same release as your production server, uninstall unnecessary packages, install additional packages matching the software selection of your production server.17:40
bekksNo need for using the very exact same installation medium.17:40
bekksSo just use the stock 14.04 image.17:40
marcvI think it would be faster to just istall the serve version :-)17:42
marcvI just had a doubt with this juju issue17:43
bekksSo use the stocl server iso. No need to mess around with juju or vagrant.17:43
marcvvagrant is a prerequisite17:43
marcvI want a vagrant box17:43
marcvbut I think I will forget about juju as you say17:44
bekksYou can setup a vagrant box with the stock server iso as well.17:44
bekksI doubt your production server is a vagrant box, is it? :)17:44
marcvnope, of course, but there may be no point in generating a vagrant box from the iso if I can get the vmbox directly...17:46
marcvbut I see your point17:46
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TangurinHi! I can connect to mysql via sequel pro (ssh) but when I do it via my application on the server it doesn't work.. what is a possible solution?19:12
TangurinI got : Access denied for user....19:12
bekksTangurin: Depends on the error message and the configuration of your application.19:12
bekksSo your credentials are incorrect.19:12
Tangurinbekks: I use laravel, should I use 127.0.0.1 or localhost?19:13
bekksTangurin: laravel means nothing to me. Is the mysql db installed on the same server as your application?19:13
SCHAAP137Tangurin, localhost and 127.0.0.1 should be the same thing19:13
Tangurinbekks:  yes it is19:13
TangurinSCHAAP137: ok19:14
TangurinI also tried with root and when I write mysql -uroot -p I can write sql queries19:14
bekksTangurin: Then you should be able to use 127.0.0.1 or localhost, since both are identical.19:14
sarnoldSCHAAP137: there's a slight difference, 'localhost' also resolves to ::119:14
SCHAAP137very true, the ipv6 loopback adapter19:15
SCHAAP137forgot about that detail for a moment19:15
Tangurinthe password is correct I just loged in via sequel pro with the same username and password19:15
sarnoldand since ipv6 and ipv4 have unique port ranges, you might have an application that binds to 127.0.0.1:foo but not ::1:foo.19:15
TangurinI can also see the database has the correct name in sequel pro19:16
Tangurinsomebody?19:18
sarnoldTangurin: does mysql require username / password / source-address tuples in its authentication?19:19
Tangurinsarnold: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean? I created a user with all possible permissions and with a password.19:20
TangurinMaybe I did wrong in that step?19:20
bekksTangurin: But you did not specify a hostname, did you?19:20
Tangurinno19:20
sarnoldTangurin: I've never deployed mysql, but postgresql requires setting where that specific usr is allowed to connect from -- I'm curious if mysql does the same, and if it's configured correctly for your application19:20
bekksTake a look at the users in your db, and you will notice that e.g. root@localhost may login, but root@* may not.19:21
TangurinSELECT User FROM mysql.user; I get one user listed twice?19:21
bekksTangurin: See above.19:21
bekksTangurin: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/user-account-management.html19:21
Tangurinhttp://laravel.io/bin/yGoK319:22
sarnoldprobably those user names have other fields elsewhere inthe table19:23
bekkssarnold: Correct.19:23
sarnold.. that mean they are unique when looked at over the entire table19:23
bekksTangurin: Nope.19:23
bekksTangurin: You are not looking at all relevant fields in the user table.19:23
TangurinOkey I just figured out how bad I know these things, can we go down one level so I understand haha, I don't know how to get the relevant fields19:24
sarnoldselect * from ...19:24
bekksTangurin: I just gave you a link :)19:24
sarnoldbut I haven't got a clue how mysql stores passwords so don't pastebin the results :)19:24
Tangurinbekks: yeah I saw the link thanks, but what am I suppose to look for?19:24
bekksTangurin: Well, you have to understand the user concept.19:25
Tangurinbekks: I see and I agree but for now because of the deadline I have tomorrow, can you help me without my own knowledge?19:25
bekksTangurin: Unfortunately I cant, since I dont know how you setup your users.19:26
Tangurinbekks: Can I remove the user and create a new one with correct setup?19:26
bekksTangurin: You can, but thats not necessary.19:26
bekksRead the link, which takes about 15 minutes, and provide all necessary fields for your login.19:26
sarnoldTangurin: I think this might be one of the cases where taking the half-hour or hour to read it through slowly and carefully would actually be the fast route19:27
Tangurinbekks: ok. I get a user with the host: "%" what is that? is that giving permission to connect from other than localhost?19:27
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Tangurinsarnold: haha but I am stupid, need more time than that ;)19:28
sarnoldTangurin: hehe :)19:28
bekksTangurin: the % is explained here: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html19:28
sarnoldTangurin: we'l, you're here, which is a good start :) if you were _actually_ stupid, you'd be on a web forum instead :)19:28
Tangurinsarnold:  bekks the annoying thing is that I have done this so many times without a problem but this time I guess I wrote something wrong when I added the user and that might be why it doesn't work19:28
bekksTangurin: So read both links carefully, will will take about 20 minutes :)19:29
Tangurinsarnold: haha well that was good to hear, now I just have to learn all too! I will, thanks =)19:29
sarnoldTangurin: anyway, there are some times cases where trying to talk with others about the problem is going to be slower than understanding the thing yourself -- and I think this is one of them. there are times when just pasting the error message and getting a quick fix is the easy answer, but database users and application authentication is going to be one of those cases where describing to us what the application needs will take19:30
Tangurinsarnold: I understand, and I see by my self that I need more knowledge about this anyway. "give a man a fish and he...." yeah you know that one, I have to hunt my fish so I can have food for a lifetime haha ;)19:31
sarnoldTangurin: there's that, too; plus, once you understand these things, the next time you need it'll come back a lot quicker..19:32
Tangurinsarnold: bekks Sorry I am already back... I just thought about one thing. I use the user "root" now and I can connect via my client application on MAC. And I can see the root as a user when I select all users in ubuntu mysql, how can I possible not login then? I mean I got prove that the username and password is correct and root works for localhost? Isn't it impossible the problem is at the mysql in ubuntu, should19:40
Tangurinn't it be in the application which is trying to connect or what? sorry for writing this soon but I just don't understand how it cannot work when it works on my client, and I want to declare this again so you really understand what I am trying to do?19:40
bekksTangurin: root has three different hosts, as the user table reveals.19:41
Tangurinbekks:  yes, correct19:41
bekksTangurin: The problem is your login into the mysql db :)19:41
sarnoldTangurin: don't forget that the 'root' of mysql is completely unrelated to the 'root' of ubuntu -- except that connections over the unix socket may require specific unix usernames too...19:41
Tangurinsarnold: Yes I understand the difference. bekks so I can login to mysql but not the database. Haha, sorry for beeing this annoying now and for not finish the reading but I get so stresses about this because this deadline is so important and I have never seen this problem before, it has always worked19:42
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dasjoeSo, my NUC (DN2820FYKH) disconnects my USB keyboard somewhere between syslinux and the installer. I'm using trusty's boot.img.gz, any suggestions? :)20:01
RoyKdasjoe: not sure, but have you tried to enable legacy usb in BIOS?20:05
dasjoeRoyK: I've reset the BIOS to its default settings, "USB Legacy" is enabled20:07
RoyKdasjoe: not sure, then, sorry20:07
Xethevening20:07
RoyKXeth: good localtime();20:07
Xethnice 1 :)20:07
dasjoeRoyK: thanks anyways, made me re-check whether it's on or off. :)20:08
Xethi need a bit of help with a VM of ubuntu server, cant seemsto get it right20:08
RoyK!ask | Xeth20:08
ubottuXeth: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience20:08
XethOk, i have a ubuntu server 15.04 running in a VirtualBox on windows 10, i am using a USB wifi stick for internet and i am not able to get connected to the net on the VM. I did have it working for a brief moment then restarted the server now nothing, have looked at many forums and nothing seems to work. Any ideas?20:11
bekksXeth: Are you passing through the USB device to the vm?20:16
Xethyes20:16
bekksIs the device recognized in the vm?20:18
ianorlinXeth, any reason you can't use nat on the windows host?20:18
Xeth_strange this is, if i do a ifconfig i only see lo and not eth0 or anything else20:20
bekksXeth_: Are you using ifconfig or ifconfig -a?20:21
TangurinHELP: How can my ubuntu server krash becuase of an php application without giving me any logs?20:23
bekksTangurin: "PHP" :)20:24
bekksTangurin: What exactly happened when doing what exactly?20:24
Tangurinbekks: I don't want to be lazy but I wrote the problem here so the best is to read it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32342654/laravel-kills-ubuntu20:25
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bekksTangurin: Which other logs besides the apache error log did you investigate?20:26
Tangurinbekks: I have tried to fix this for 1-2 weeks now, I really have no idea what the problem can be! If you can help me solve this I will ... I can't say kiss you but I really really need this. This is why I creating a new server every day for trying to see if it works the other day20:26
bekksTangurin: TL;DR - which other logs besides the apache error log did you investigate?20:26
TangurinI looked through all los in var/log and also laravel's logs (just a log with php errors)20:27
bekksTangurin: And what are the last entries in the messages logfile before the server get killed and the reboot is logged?20:27
Tangurinbekks:  I have heard about this messages logfile so many times but I have never seen it, what is that?20:28
bekksTangurin: /var/log/messages20:28
Tangurinbekks: I have none20:28
bekksSo pastebin "ls -lha /var/log" please, as well as "uname -a" and "lsb_release -a"20:29
Tangurinbekks: haha you are confusing me... I got som dquote interface when I write that, what shall I do. You are pro!20:30
Xeth_bekks: now i see eth0 but still no connection what can i try20:30
bekksXeth_: So configure it?20:30
Xeth_ok im still new at this, learning how do i do tha20:31
bekksTangurin: No. I will not login via ssh and fix your issues.20:31
Xeth_that20:31
Tangurinbekks: I didn't ask for that, I asked for logging in see the logs because I have watched them so many times20:32
bekksTangurin: Use a pastebin then.20:32
Tangurinbekks: how do I use the commands you wrote?20:32
bekksTangurin: You type in the commands, and copy and paste the output to a pastebin site, then provide the URL to us.20:33
Tangurinbekks: http://laravel.io/bin/W4D3Y20:34
bekksTangurin: Can you pastebin the dmesg.1.gz file?20:38
Tangurinbekks: it is not readable? just question marks and strange characters20:38
ianorlingz is compressed20:39
Tangurinhow do I copy the content+20:39
ianorlin!info gist-paste20:40
ubottuPackage gist-paste does not exist in vivid20:40
ianorlinoops20:40
ianorlin!info gist20:40
ubottugist (source: gist): Upload gists to gist.github.com. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.0-1 (vivid), package size 13 kB, installed size 87 kB20:40
ianorlin!info pastebinit20:40
ubottupastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4-4 (vivid), package size 14 kB, installed size 164 kB20:40
ianorlintwo packages that provide that functionality20:41
bekkszcat dmesg.1.gz | pastebinit20:42
Tangurinthanks, I guess I did it correct?20:43
Tangurinbekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12316438/20:43
bekksTangurin: Try to pastebin the kern.log please20:44
Tangurinbekks: how do I write if it is not a compressed file?20:45
Tangurinbekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12316455/20:47
arcskyHi guys, how do you guys recommend to remote your ubuntu server from a windows machine?20:49
bekksarcsky: USe Putty, and ssh in :)20:50
Tangurinbekks: This problem only occured at this hosts server but not when I use digitalocean server and I install ubuntu and its packages the same, so I don't understand how it only works at digitalocean and not at the host I use here20:55
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arcskybekks: i mean GUI21:10
bekksarcsky: You mean GUI in which context?21:10
geniibekks: I'm imaginind zentyal or similar21:15
arcskybekks: like RDP in windows21:17
bekksarcsky: Use freenx then.21:17
arcskyist better then vnc?21:17
bekksEverything is better than VNC.21:18
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JanCalso depends on what VNC21:34
JanCit's extendable, so in theory somebody could fix it?  :)21:34
JanCand there is SPICE, of course21:35
bekksJanC: VNC is insecure and slow by design.21:36
JanCit's not insecure over a secure connection21:36
jellymost wrappers offer ssh tunneling for vnc21:37
bekksVNC is insecure - you just tunnel it through a secure tunnel.21:37
jellybekks: yes.  http is also insecure, you just tunnel it thru ssl21:37
bekkscorrect.21:38
JanCand AFAIK there already are several extensions that make it somewhat better, but I don't know _how_ good it can get if somebody puts enough time in it21:38
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JanCalso most VNC issues are related to 3D desktops & SFX, right?21:40
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