[06:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:34] <Number5> Hello guys, I have an Ubuntu server running with a replaced network card. Now I have the problem it doesn't detect the network card, although the hardware is detected by the OS. I've commented out all adapters in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-.... file. Now the adapter appears after 'ifconfig' but it doesn't have an ip. I also set eth0 to dhcp for automatic ip assignment.
[07:34] <Number5> Isn't there a standard procedure to configure a replaced network card?
[07:34] <Number5> Now I don't have an ip address just because I replaced my ethernet adapter :(
[07:42] <lordievader> Number5: What is the output of 'ip l'?
[07:43] <Number5> ok, I have to go to the other room, be right back
[07:47] <Number5> well, I get a bunch of line, from lo to eth 3 or 4 Where lo and eth 0 seems to be active and others are in a DOWN state. Could it be that it goes wrong with dhcp? I can try to assign eth0 a static ip. See if that works.
[07:47] <lordievader> !pastebin
[07:48] <Number5> Wait, I'll check whether the utp cable is plugged in, if that's the case arrggghhhh
[07:56] <Number5> lordievader, I didn't have connection, so that's why I couldn't post the output.
[07:58] <lordievader> Right... That does make things harder. Anyhow is the nic you want up?
[07:58] <Number5> Anyway, I solved the problem, because on the backside I found 2 ethernet connections, and one of them was not connected. After I connected the other one the problem is fixed. It's my fault, next time I don't have to rely on my colleague >:(
[08:00] <Number5> He needed the server for his own testing (running windose) after that I don't know what he did.
[08:02] <Number5> lordievader, thnx for trying to help me :)
[08:27] <rbasak> smb: around?
[09:40] <rozie> hi. I just hit http://askubuntu.com/questions/670106/igb-detected-tx-unit-hang but. I use 14.04 LTS and have spare machine to test
[09:41] <rozie> on production "solved" by downgrading to 3.16.0-46-generic, but it's short term workaround. I wonder how to handle this situation
[09:41] <rozie> will it be fixed in next kernel release?
[09:58] <mnms_> Hi guys. Can I do software RAID 10 on Ubuntu ?
[09:59] <mnms_> there are some limitation for RAID types ?
[10:12] <andol> mnms_: "Currently, Linux supports LINEAR md devices, RAID0 (striping), RAID1 (mirroring), RAID4, RAID5, RAID6, RAID10 ...", according to mdadm(8)
[10:12] <RoyK> mnms_: generally, don't use raid10 - it's a raid level that's somewhat been forgotten about and it lacks the flexibility other levels have
[10:12] <RoyK> mnms_: I'd recommend setting up mirrors and using LVM to stripe over those
[10:12] <andol> RoyK: That is not an unversially agreed upon opinion.
[10:12] <RoyK> andol: by whom?
[10:13] <RoyK> andol: you can't grow a raid10... which sucks
[10:14] <andol> RoyK: Which may or may not matter depending on the situation. On the other hand it gives you much better perforamnce than raid5 or raid6.
[10:16] <RoyK> andol: you'll get similar performance with lvm striping over mirrors
[10:17] <RoyK> andol: but then again, just my opinions here. I really hate RAID sets that can't be changed
[10:23] <rozie> RoyK: raid10 has many advantages. it is advised even for 2 drives
[10:24] <rozie> at least by some people http://blog.a2o.si/2014/09/07/linux-software-raid-why-you-should-always-use-raid-10-instead-of-raid-1/
[10:25] <rozie> IMHO "cannot grow" isn't really an issue - you also "cannot" grow raid1 or raid5
[10:33] <RoyK> rozie: you can grow *and* shrink raid[56]
[10:34] <RoyK> actually, you can grow any raid level except raid10
[10:34] <RoyK> see mdadm(8)
[10:34] <mnms_> I would like to create NAS for my backups
[10:34] <rozie> raid[56] is very slow, so out of interest
[10:34] <mnms_> and I thought raid 10 will be best option for me
[10:35] <RoyK> mnms_: for backup, I'd use raid5 or raid6 - raid[56] is fast enough and raid6 is actually safer than raid10
[10:35] <RoyK> fast enough for backup
[10:35] <RoyK> slower on iops
[10:35] <maswan> rozie: depends on the application, it is good for reading
[10:35] <RoyK> but fast on squencial i/o
[10:36] <RoyK> maswan: it's not bad on writing either - CPUs are fast enough to deal with parity generations these days
[10:37] <maswan> RoyK: As long as it is sequential, random writes or too many streams that it ends up like random is not very fun
[10:37] <maswan> but for reading it is like an n-1 or n-2 stripe in speed
[10:38] <RoyK> maswan: well, we have > 200TiB on disk for VM storage, mostly on RAID-6 - it works, and it works well. So please tell me *why* it works ;)
[10:39] <maswan> RoyK: do you have a write-back cache for that raid?
[10:39] <maswan> also, random VMs seldom have high IO demands
[10:40] <rozie> well, had very bad experience with raid5 on hardware controlers. raid10 works like a charm
[10:41] <rozie> mnms_: for NAS - depends how you predict growth. I'd probably just go N times raid1
[10:42] <rozie> even without lvm, but if you want continous space, use lvm
[10:42] <mnms_> rozie: so just simple mirror ntohing more ?
[10:42] <mnms_> rozie: I mean without stripe ?
[10:43] <rozie> depends what you NAS will do. but IMO NAS rarely needs performance
[10:43] <rozie> especially write performance
[10:44] <rozie> and raid10 gives you mostly write performance
[10:47] <mnms_> rozie: good then, cause mostly I will make a backups and do write operations
[10:47] <mnms_> rather then read, occasionaly
[10:47] <RoyK> maswan: about 200 VMs currently ;)
[10:50] <rozie> RoyK: 200TB for 200 VPS? it's 1TB/VPS, so probably number of drives does the thing
[10:54] <RoyK> rozie: *lots* of different VMs, from tiny to huge. Just trying to illustrate that raid6 works well. You don't need r10 for everything - *most* stuff runs well with raid[56]
[10:56] <rozie> well, have opposite experience. but shared hosting and hardware raid, not VMs and softraid
[10:57] <RoyK> rozie: it all depends on your application
[10:59] <rozie> agreed. and raid5 requires checksumming to be done
[11:00] <rozie> but if you have fast CPU and can sacrifice it - may work
[11:01] <RoyK> raid5 doesn't require checksumming - it's just parity - and that doesn't consume much cpu, in fact, very little cpu. please don't misinform people
[11:02] <rozie> yep, parity
[11:03] <rozie> I wonder why it was so slow on hardware controllers, then
[11:03] <rozie> (different types)
[11:03] <RoyK> because most hardware controllers have a crappy processor and slow/narrow memory buses
[11:04] <RoyK> enterprise raid systems always use more or less regular PC systems for their "controllers"
[11:10] <rozie> but returning to my problem: I was hit by kernel bug http://askubuntu.com/questions/670106/igb-detected-tx-unit-hang can I expect it to be fixed in next kernel release?
[11:13] <maswan> RoyK: hardware controllers have gotten better the last 5 years or so, 10 years it was common to get a controller for 12 drives where the maximum throughput of the raid processor in single stream read or write was less than the raw throughput of a single drive.
[11:19] <RoyK> maswan: memory bandwidth in PC systems has gotten a wee bit better the last 10 years too ;)
[11:19] <RoyK> maswan: so has buses
[11:27] <maswan> RoyK: Yup. I still see limits in the HW raid controllers, but at least it is at aroudn 15-20 disks not 0.5-1 disks in MB/s. Software raid has roughly been faster than spinning disks since pentium III, in my experience.
[11:33] <jpds> RoyK: I hear NVMe SSDs with bcache are all the rage these days
[11:37]  * patdk-lap wonders how something can be faster than what it's build on
[11:38] <patdk-lap> mirrors you loose half your speed, and other types you loose parity speed
[11:38] <RoyK> jpds: just got these https://oc.karlsbakk.net/index.php/s/r7pz44kgJSJmyPG for testing vmware vsan ;)
[11:38] <RoyK> patdk-lap: you get better iops with striped mirrors than with parity-based stuff
[11:39] <patdk-lap> you still lost half your iops
[11:39] <patdk-lap> over the raw disk speeds
[11:39] <maswan> patdk-lap: A raid10 of 6 drives should have roughly 3x one drive for write speed and 6x for read speed
[11:39] <patdk-lap> still attempting to understand how softare raid can be faster than the disks it's built on
[11:39] <maswan> patdk-lap: Faster than one individual disk
[11:39] <RoyK> maswan: that 6x is highly theoretical ;)
[11:40] <maswan> RoyK: Yeah, I should have said 3-6x.
[11:40] <patdk-lap> maswan, raid should always be faster than a single disk, or you seriously screwed it up
[11:40] <patdk-lap> even back in 386 days
[11:40] <maswan> patdk-lap: Yup. For a long, long time HW raid controllers did.
[11:41] <patdk-lap> even software
[11:41] <patdk-lap> the problem back then, was not the software, but not using a good hba
[11:41] <maswan> patdk-lap: pci-x era raid controllers where a single drive do 100MB/s and the raid controller tops out at 80MB/s...
[11:41] <patdk-lap> the built in ide ports on motherboards are just horrible
[11:41] <patdk-lap> maswan, dunno about your pcix card
[11:41] <patdk-lap> mine got a nice 300MB/sec
[11:42] <patdk-lap> normally maxing out pci-x
[11:42] <maswan> patdk-lap: Then you got lucky. Some of them did go pretty fast, but far from all of them.
[11:43] <patdk-lap> normally used pcix adaptec scsi hba's on my p3's back then
[11:43] <maswan> patdk-lap: plain scsi hbas, or hw raid controllers doing parity?
[11:43] <jpds> RoyK: Not on the openstack bandwagon yet?
[11:44] <patdk-lap> both, normally used hw raid
[11:45] <RoyK> jpds: not yet
[11:46] <maswan> Even today, the P822 we got the other day for our VM hosting tops out at roughly 15 of our 25 spinning disks
[11:57] <jamespage> coreycb`, hey - I think we'll need to add a dependency on pymysql for all openstack python-XXX's otherwise upgrades will break for existing deployments.
[12:55] <bananapie> can someone remind me of the magical command that builds a .deb package automatically from any sources without the debian directory?
[12:55] <bananapie> checkinstall
[12:55] <bananapie> thanks :D
[12:59] <jpds> rozie: Can you /join #ubuntu-kernel about the igbe bug?
[13:04] <rozie> oh my, third channel... joining right now
[13:11] <coreycb`> jamespage, ok.  I added a pymysql dependency to most of the core openstack packages as well, for sqlalchemy.
[13:11] <jamespage> coreycb`, some get it for free via taskflow but better to be explicit I think
[13:12] <jamespage> coreycb`, I've jammed most of the dependency bumps that zigo did in experimental into wily-proposed
[13:13] <jamespage> coreycb`, that's going to create some instability until we get the b3 milestones uploaded
[13:13] <coreycb`> jamespage, ok
[13:13] <jamespage> coreycb`, oh and I uploaded 2.4.0 of swift yesterday - finally got ontop of the erasurecode dep chain issues
[13:13] <coreycb`> jamespage, yay!
[13:16] <jamespage> coreycb, indeed
[13:17] <jamespage> coreycb, its an un-optimize erasure coding dep chain, but it is functional
[15:10] <med_> jamespage, smoser , zul etc: occasionally in an openstack cloud rebooting a Trusty cloud image just hangs at the GRUB prompt.
[15:10] <med_> no console attached so it is not errant keys
[15:10] <med_> does this ring any bells?
[15:10] <med_> (Kilo OpenStack cloud, kvm/libvirt env, Trusty cloud image.)
[15:54] <Pici> 6/70
[15:59] <smoser> med_, probably the system didn't fully boot previously and grub is waiting for interaction.
[15:59] <smoser> rbasak, do you recall that bug for grub timeout after failed boot ?
[16:04] <med_> smoser, thanks.
[16:04] <rbasak> smoser:
[16:04] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1443735
[16:04] <med_> looking
[16:05] <smoser> it does seem if you're using up to date images you shoudlnt see that
[16:07] <med_> not sure how up to date ours is but this looks like a strong work around at worst. Thanks Robie and Scott.
[17:26] <lorek123> Hi, i needed to test my servers for ssl2 vulns so i installed openssl packets as in http://www.techstacks.com/howto/enable-sslv2-and-tlsv12-in-openssl-101c-on-ubuntu-1304.html. Now i have problem with skype installation because of no i386 packets. Are there any possibilites to fix this without reinstalling whole system? I'm now on ubuntu 15.04
[17:27] <marcv> Hello, I'd like to get an ubuntu vagrant box corresponding to the ubuntu server 14.04 installed on my production server (not installed by vagrant). Anyone knows how I could know if I have to get the "-juju" box or the one without "-juju" on this page https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/trusty/current/ ?
[17:28] <marcv> Does anyone know the difference between an install of trusty-server-cloudimg-i386-juju-vagrant-disk1.box and the same *without* -juju in the name?
[17:30] <bekks> lorek123: Are you running 13.04?
[17:30] <lorek123> no, 15.04
[17:30] <bekks> ah.
[17:31] <RoyK> lorek123: without answering, I'd strongly suggest using LTS for servers
[17:33] <bekks> marcv: I guess you're faster setting up a server from the "normal" iso :)
[17:33] <marcv> bekks: why do you think so?
[17:37] <bekks> marcv: Because I just deployed a new vm, from the normal ISO, within less than 5 minutes.
[17:38] <marcv> Well, my goal is to get the exact same install (same packages, same versions) as my production server.
[17:38] <marcv> I don't want just any ubuntu
[17:39] <marcv> I only know that my server runs a Ubuntu server 14.04, so my idea is to start the process by installing this exact version
[17:40] <bekks> Install an stock Ubuntu of the same release as your production server, uninstall unnecessary packages, install additional packages matching the software selection of your production server.
[17:40] <bekks> No need for using the very exact same installation medium.
[17:40] <bekks> So just use the stock 14.04 image.
[17:42] <marcv> I think it would be faster to just istall the serve version :-)
[17:43] <marcv> I just had a doubt with this juju issue
[17:43] <bekks> So use the stocl server iso. No need to mess around with juju or vagrant.
[17:43] <marcv> vagrant is a prerequisite
[17:43] <marcv> I want a vagrant box
[17:44] <marcv> but I think I will forget about juju as you say
[17:44] <bekks> You can setup a vagrant box with the stock server iso as well.
[17:44] <bekks> I doubt your production server is a vagrant box, is it? :)
[17:46] <marcv> nope, of course, but there may be no point in generating a vagrant box from the iso if I can get the vmbox directly...
[17:46] <marcv> but I see your point
[19:12] <Tangurin> Hi! I can connect to mysql via sequel pro (ssh) but when I do it via my application on the server it doesn't work.. what is a possible solution?
[19:12] <Tangurin> I got : Access denied for user....
[19:12] <bekks> Tangurin: Depends on the error message and the configuration of your application.
[19:12] <bekks> So your credentials are incorrect.
[19:13] <Tangurin> bekks: I use laravel, should I use 127.0.0.1 or localhost?
[19:13] <bekks> Tangurin: laravel means nothing to me. Is the mysql db installed on the same server as your application?
[19:13] <SCHAAP137> Tangurin, localhost and 127.0.0.1 should be the same thing
[19:13] <Tangurin> bekks:  yes it is
[19:14] <Tangurin> SCHAAP137: ok
[19:14] <Tangurin> I also tried with root and when I write mysql -uroot -p I can write sql queries
[19:14] <bekks> Tangurin: Then you should be able to use 127.0.0.1 or localhost, since both are identical.
[19:14] <sarnold> SCHAAP137: there's a slight difference, 'localhost' also resolves to ::1
[19:15] <SCHAAP137> very true, the ipv6 loopback adapter
[19:15] <SCHAAP137> forgot about that detail for a moment
[19:15] <Tangurin> the password is correct I just loged in via sequel pro with the same username and password
[19:15] <sarnold> and since ipv6 and ipv4 have unique port ranges, you might have an application that binds to 127.0.0.1:foo but not ::1:foo.
[19:16] <Tangurin> I can also see the database has the correct name in sequel pro
[19:18] <Tangurin> somebody?
[19:19] <sarnold> Tangurin: does mysql require username / password / source-address tuples in its authentication?
[19:20] <Tangurin> sarnold: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean? I created a user with all possible permissions and with a password.
[19:20] <Tangurin> Maybe I did wrong in that step?
[19:20] <bekks> Tangurin: But you did not specify a hostname, did you?
[19:20] <Tangurin> no
[19:20] <sarnold> Tangurin: I've never deployed mysql, but postgresql requires setting where that specific usr is allowed to connect from -- I'm curious if mysql does the same, and if it's configured correctly for your application
[19:21] <bekks> Take a look at the users in your db, and you will notice that e.g. root@localhost may login, but root@* may not.
[19:21] <Tangurin> SELECT User FROM mysql.user; I get one user listed twice?
[19:21] <bekks> Tangurin: See above.
[19:21] <bekks> Tangurin: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/user-account-management.html
[19:22] <Tangurin> http://laravel.io/bin/yGoK3
[19:23] <sarnold> probably those user names have other fields elsewhere inthe table
[19:23] <bekks> sarnold: Correct.
[19:23] <sarnold> .. that mean they are unique when looked at over the entire table
[19:23] <bekks> Tangurin: Nope.
[19:23] <bekks> Tangurin: You are not looking at all relevant fields in the user table.
[19:24] <Tangurin> Okey I just figured out how bad I know these things, can we go down one level so I understand haha, I don't know how to get the relevant fields
[19:24] <sarnold> select * from ...
[19:24] <bekks> Tangurin: I just gave you a link :)
[19:24] <sarnold> but I haven't got a clue how mysql stores passwords so don't pastebin the results :)
[19:24] <Tangurin> bekks: yeah I saw the link thanks, but what am I suppose to look for?
[19:25] <bekks> Tangurin: Well, you have to understand the user concept.
[19:25] <Tangurin> bekks: I see and I agree but for now because of the deadline I have tomorrow, can you help me without my own knowledge?
[19:26] <bekks> Tangurin: Unfortunately I cant, since I dont know how you setup your users.
[19:26] <Tangurin> bekks: Can I remove the user and create a new one with correct setup?
[19:26] <bekks> Tangurin: You can, but thats not necessary.
[19:26] <bekks> Read the link, which takes about 15 minutes, and provide all necessary fields for your login.
[19:27] <sarnold> Tangurin: I think this might be one of the cases where taking the half-hour or hour to read it through slowly and carefully would actually be the fast route
[19:27] <Tangurin> bekks: ok. I get a user with the host: "%" what is that? is that giving permission to connect from other than localhost?
[19:28] <Tangurin> sarnold: haha but I am stupid, need more time than that ;)
[19:28] <sarnold> Tangurin: hehe :)
[19:28] <bekks> Tangurin: the % is explained here: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html
[19:28] <sarnold> Tangurin: we'l, you're here, which is a good start :) if you were _actually_ stupid, you'd be on a web forum instead :)
[19:28] <Tangurin> sarnold:  bekks the annoying thing is that I have done this so many times without a problem but this time I guess I wrote something wrong when I added the user and that might be why it doesn't work
[19:29] <bekks> Tangurin: So read both links carefully, will will take about 20 minutes :)
[19:29] <Tangurin> sarnold: haha well that was good to hear, now I just have to learn all too! I will, thanks =)
[19:30] <sarnold> Tangurin: anyway, there are some times cases where trying to talk with others about the problem is going to be slower than understanding the thing yourself -- and I think this is one of them. there are times when just pasting the error message and getting a quick fix is the easy answer, but database users and application authentication is going to be one of those cases where describing to us what the application needs will take
[19:31] <Tangurin> sarnold: I understand, and I see by my self that I need more knowledge about this anyway. "give a man a fish and he...." yeah you know that one, I have to hunt my fish so I can have food for a lifetime haha ;)
[19:32] <sarnold> Tangurin: there's that, too; plus, once you understand these things, the next time you need it'll come back a lot quicker..
[19:40] <Tangurin> sarnold: bekks Sorry I am already back... I just thought about one thing. I use the user "root" now and I can connect via my client application on MAC. And I can see the root as a user when I select all users in ubuntu mysql, how can I possible not login then? I mean I got prove that the username and password is correct and root works for localhost? Isn't it impossible the problem is at the mysql in ubuntu, should
[19:40] <Tangurin> n't it be in the application which is trying to connect or what? sorry for writing this soon but I just don't understand how it cannot work when it works on my client, and I want to declare this again so you really understand what I am trying to do?
[19:41] <bekks> Tangurin: root has three different hosts, as the user table reveals.
[19:41] <Tangurin> bekks:  yes, correct
[19:41] <bekks> Tangurin: The problem is your login into the mysql db :)
[19:41] <sarnold> Tangurin: don't forget that the 'root' of mysql is completely unrelated to the 'root' of ubuntu -- except that connections over the unix socket may require specific unix usernames too...
[19:42] <Tangurin> sarnold: Yes I understand the difference. bekks so I can login to mysql but not the database. Haha, sorry for beeing this annoying now and for not finish the reading but I get so stresses about this because this deadline is so important and I have never seen this problem before, it has always worked
[20:01] <dasjoe> So, my NUC (DN2820FYKH) disconnects my USB keyboard somewhere between syslinux and the installer. I'm using trusty's boot.img.gz, any suggestions? :)
[20:05] <RoyK> dasjoe: not sure, but have you tried to enable legacy usb in BIOS?
[20:07] <dasjoe> RoyK: I've reset the BIOS to its default settings, "USB Legacy" is enabled
[20:07] <RoyK> dasjoe: not sure, then, sorry
[20:07] <Xeth> evening
[20:07] <RoyK> Xeth: good localtime();
[20:07] <Xeth> nice 1 :)
[20:08] <dasjoe> RoyK: thanks anyways, made me re-check whether it's on or off. :)
[20:08] <Xeth> i need a bit of help with a VM of ubuntu server, cant seemsto get it right
[20:08] <RoyK> !ask | Xeth
[20:11] <Xeth> Ok, i have a ubuntu server 15.04 running in a VirtualBox on windows 10, i am using a USB wifi stick for internet and i am not able to get connected to the net on the VM. I did have it working for a brief moment then restarted the server now nothing, have looked at many forums and nothing seems to work. Any ideas?
[20:16] <bekks> Xeth: Are you passing through the USB device to the vm?
[20:16] <Xeth> yes
[20:18] <bekks> Is the device recognized in the vm?
[20:18] <ianorlin> Xeth, any reason you can't use nat on the windows host?
[20:20] <Xeth_> strange this is, if i do a ifconfig i only see lo and not eth0 or anything else
[20:21] <bekks> Xeth_: Are you using ifconfig or ifconfig -a?
[20:23] <Tangurin> HELP: How can my ubuntu server krash becuase of an php application without giving me any logs?
[20:24] <bekks> Tangurin: "PHP" :)
[20:24] <bekks> Tangurin: What exactly happened when doing what exactly?
[20:25] <Tangurin> bekks: I don't want to be lazy but I wrote the problem here so the best is to read it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32342654/laravel-kills-ubuntu
[20:26] <bekks> Tangurin: Which other logs besides the apache error log did you investigate?
[20:26] <Tangurin> bekks: I have tried to fix this for 1-2 weeks now, I really have no idea what the problem can be! If you can help me solve this I will ... I can't say kiss you but I really really need this. This is why I creating a new server every day for trying to see if it works the other day
[20:26] <bekks> Tangurin: TL;DR - which other logs besides the apache error log did you investigate?
[20:27] <Tangurin> I looked through all los in var/log and also laravel's logs (just a log with php errors)
[20:27] <bekks> Tangurin: And what are the last entries in the messages logfile before the server get killed and the reboot is logged?
[20:28] <Tangurin> bekks:  I have heard about this messages logfile so many times but I have never seen it, what is that?
[20:28] <bekks> Tangurin: /var/log/messages
[20:28] <Tangurin> bekks: I have none
[20:29] <bekks> So pastebin "ls -lha /var/log" please, as well as "uname -a" and "lsb_release -a"
[20:30] <Tangurin> bekks: haha you are confusing me... I got som dquote interface when I write that, what shall I do. You are pro!
[20:30] <Xeth_> bekks: now i see eth0 but still no connection what can i try
[20:30] <bekks> Xeth_: So configure it?
[20:31] <Xeth_> ok im still new at this, learning how do i do tha
[20:31] <bekks> Tangurin: No. I will not login via ssh and fix your issues.
[20:31] <Xeth_> that
[20:32] <Tangurin> bekks: I didn't ask for that, I asked for logging in see the logs because I have watched them so many times
[20:32] <bekks> Tangurin: Use a pastebin then.
[20:32] <Tangurin> bekks: how do I use the commands you wrote?
[20:33] <bekks> Tangurin: You type in the commands, and copy and paste the output to a pastebin site, then provide the URL to us.
[20:34] <Tangurin> bekks: http://laravel.io/bin/W4D3Y
[20:38] <bekks> Tangurin: Can you pastebin the dmesg.1.gz file?
[20:38] <Tangurin> bekks: it is not readable? just question marks and strange characters
[20:39] <ianorlin> gz is compressed
[20:39] <Tangurin> how do I copy the content+
[20:40] <ianorlin> !info gist-paste
[20:40] <ianorlin> oops
[20:40] <ianorlin> !info gist
[20:40] <ianorlin> !info pastebinit
[20:41] <ianorlin> two packages that provide that functionality
[20:42] <bekks> zcat dmesg.1.gz | pastebinit
[20:43] <Tangurin> thanks, I guess I did it correct?
[20:43] <Tangurin> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12316438/
[20:44] <bekks> Tangurin: Try to pastebin the kern.log please
[20:45] <Tangurin> bekks: how do I write if it is not a compressed file?
[20:47] <Tangurin> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12316455/
[20:49] <arcsky> Hi guys, how do you guys recommend to remote your ubuntu server from a windows machine?
[20:50] <bekks> arcsky: USe Putty, and ssh in :)
[20:55] <Tangurin> bekks: This problem only occured at this hosts server but not when I use digitalocean server and I install ubuntu and its packages the same, so I don't understand how it only works at digitalocean and not at the host I use here
[21:10] <arcsky> bekks: i mean GUI
[21:10] <bekks> arcsky: You mean GUI in which context?
[21:15] <genii> bekks: I'm imaginind zentyal or similar
[21:17] <arcsky> bekks: like RDP in windows
[21:17] <bekks> arcsky: Use freenx then.
[21:17] <arcsky> ist better then vnc?
[21:18] <bekks> Everything is better than VNC.
[21:34] <JanC> also depends on what VNC
[21:34] <JanC> it's extendable, so in theory somebody could fix it?  :)
[21:35] <JanC> and there is SPICE, of course
[21:36] <bekks> JanC: VNC is insecure and slow by design.
[21:36] <JanC> it's not insecure over a secure connection
[21:37] <jelly> most wrappers offer ssh tunneling for vnc
[21:37] <bekks> VNC is insecure - you just tunnel it through a secure tunnel.
[21:37] <jelly> bekks: yes.  http is also insecure, you just tunnel it thru ssl
[21:38] <bekks> correct.
[21:38] <JanC> and AFAIK there already are several extensions that make it somewhat better, but I don't know _how_ good it can get if somebody puts enough time in it
[21:40] <JanC> also most VNC issues are related to 3D desktops & SFX, right?