[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <jibel> oSoMoN, hey, until recently (like a week ago) I could save pictures from 500px when the picture was open from the 500px scope but it stopped working. Would you know if it's due to a recent change in the browser or content-hub or it's a limitation introduced on 500px' side? it's on rc-proposed/arale
[07:53] <oSoMoN> jibel, what happens now when you try to save a picture?
[07:55] <jibel> oSoMoN, When I select "Save the picture" in the context menu, it opens the "Ouvrir avec" page and below application there is a message saying: sorry, there is no installed application for the type of content
[07:56] <oSoMoN> jibel, let me test here
[07:56] <jibel> you can install 500px from the store, select any image, tap on open in browser and long press the image to open the context menu
[07:57] <jibel> with flickr some work other don't depending on the sharing policy selected by the uploader
[07:59] <oSoMoN> I can reproduce on my krillin, debugging
[08:02] <oSoMoN> jibel, indeed, that’s a recent regression, and that would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1487090
[08:05] <jibel> oSoMoN, thanks.
[08:16] <zbenjamin> tedg: hey, can you tell me if its the case the upstart sets the PWD variable different to the actual working directory when starting apps?
[08:16] <zbenjamin> +that
[08:20] <Laney> jgdx: you going to take care of getting https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gsettings-qt/support-ass/+merge/269045 in? thought something you were working on needed it?
[08:20] <Laney> also, hi!
[08:26] <oSoMoN> jibel, the issue with 500px is that we don’t get a mime type, nor a suggested filename, and the URL doesn’t include an extension, so there’s no way to guess the mime type
[08:27] <ogra_> but what did it do before, when it worked ? :)
[08:28] <ogra_> hardcode ?
[08:28] <jibel> oSoMoN, indeed, it worked a week ago
[08:28] <oSoMoN> ogra_, it didn’t go through the downloadRequested signal, there was a hardcoded path for saving images, so we knew that we were saving an image and we could hardcode it for content hub
[08:28] <oSoMoN> that’s why I said it’s a regression
[08:29] <oSoMoN> I’m looking into fixing it
[08:29] <ogra_> ah, sorry, missed that above
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Physical Therapy Day! 😃
[08:50] <jgdx> Laney, hi. I will. Not sure when, though. Will know more this evening.
[08:50] <Laney> jgdx: ok, I'm just checking that it doesn't get lost
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> are there known issues on devel-proposed on nexus7 before login screen it reboots again?
[08:52] <ogra_> oooh i know famous people !
[08:52]  * ogra_ looks at john-mcaleely 
[08:52] <ogra_> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-touch-developer-proposes-64-bit-arm64-images-of-ubuntu-for-phones-491134.shtml
[08:52] <ogra_> :)
[08:55] <zbenjamin> ogra_: do you know maybe if upstart changes the PWD to /home/phablet when stating apps instead of the _actual_ working dir?
[08:56] <john-mcaleely> ooh
[08:56] <john-mcaleely> Mr McAleely
[08:56] <john-mcaleely> very formal#
[08:56] <john-mcaleely> thanks ogra_
[08:57] <ogra_> zbenjamin, depends ... if it uses ubuntu-app-launch it will use the apps workdir, if it is an upstart process run from ~/.init or from the system user session it might do that
[08:58] <zbenjamin> ogra_: started by clicking on the icon.
[08:58] <ogra_> zbenjamin, then it uses ubuntu-app-launch
[08:58] <zbenjamin> ogra_: thing is i try to get a proper profiling with applauncherd.
[08:58] <ogra_> which should wrap all the confinement around it
[08:58] <zbenjamin> ogra_: the ivoker forwards only the PWD env var, which always points to /home/phablet
[08:59] <ogra_> zbenjamin, talk to tedg
[08:59] <ogra_> (once he is up)
[08:59] <zbenjamin> ogra_: ok thanks
[08:59] <ogra_> ubuntu-app-launch surely has ways to inject something
[09:00] <mardy> greyback: hi! I'm encountering a unity8 crash whenever I test the development version of the facebook webapp, and it seems I can reproduce it all the time
[09:00] <mardy> greyback: what logs would you like me to collect?
[09:00] <greyback> mardy: backtrace please
[09:01] <mardy> greyback: the files in /var/crash/ show that the core dump was uploaded; but I don't know where to find it
[09:02] <didrocks> mardy: some trick I learnt recently (and yeah, I agree it's confusing now that whoopsie uploads them instead of apport to launchpad…) is to go to system-settings, privacy, diagnostic
[09:02] <didrocks> mardy: you have a link to see your reported stacktraces
[09:02] <didrocks> (and can share it)
[09:02] <mardy> didrocks: oh, cool!
[09:03] <didrocks> mardy: would be cooler to get a more direct way :p
[09:03] <greyback> yep
[09:03] <greyback> sudo gdbus call -y -d com.ubuntu.WhoopsiePreferences -o /com/ubuntu/WhoopsiePreferences -m com.ubuntu.WhoopsiePreferences.GetIdentifier
[09:03] <greyback> that returns a UUID
[09:04] <greyback> which you can append to https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/ to get all your crash reports
[09:04] <didrocks> ok, that's how it gets the link :p
[09:04] <didrocks> (system-settings)
[09:04] <didrocks> and then, you end up in a beautiful page with only stacktrace ids
[09:04] <didrocks> pick the preferred one :p
[09:05] <mardy> greyback: even better, thanks! Here it is: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/55b25b5c-55f4-11e5-be0c-fa163e4ccdf2
[09:06] <mardy> greyback: and the unity8.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12312447/
[09:06] <mardy> greyback: it happens right after a trusted session is closed
[09:07] <greyback> mardy: yuk, fail in the renderer. Can you report bug please
[09:08] <mardy> greyback: sure
[09:08] <greyback> thanks
[09:10] <mardy> didrocks: wasn't there a way to convert error reports from errors.ubuntu.com into bugs?
[09:12] <didrocks> mardy: not that I know of, if you disable whoopsie, you can use report-bug and report to launchpad
[09:12] <didrocks> mardy: I don't know what's the state of packages from the overlay ppa, are they retraced? you may have to retrace it yourself rather
[09:13] <didrocks> (installing the dbg pacakges + running gdb)
[09:18] <ncls> the Music app doesn't work anymore on my phone, so after two reboots I uninstalled it and tried to reinstall but is the store down ? can't access to any app
[10:17] <zbenjamin> ogra_: just played around a bit, and the value from getcwd() is indeed different from $PWD
[10:21] <undertasker> I just read this description of an uapp:
[10:21] <undertasker> - Continues playing when the app is in the background or the screen is off.
[10:21] <undertasker> So it is possible to run apps in the background
[10:21] <nhaines> undertasker: no.
[10:22] <undertasker> What mechanism/setting are they using.
[10:23] <ogra_> apps can talk to system services that keep running in the background
[10:23] <ogra_> i.e. a music app can use media-hub ... the app gets stopped but media-hub cares that the music keeps playing
[10:23] <undertasker> Can I make a command line application a service?
[10:24] <undertasker> respectively, do daemons keep running?
[10:24] <ogra_> on a session level (running as the pahblet user)
[10:24] <ogra_> but not on a system level without making the OS writable (and losing upgradeability)
[10:25] <undertasker> Am I the only one that think this is dumb?
[10:25] <undertasker> thinks
[10:25] <ogra_> on a phone ?
[10:26] <undertasker> Well, there are many situations where I want to keep things running, like sshuttle, a SIP client or a mumble client.
[10:26] <undertasker> (Only to name some)
[10:26] <nhaines> undertasker: probably.
[10:27] <ogra_> so write patches for the services to provide these features ... then write apops that use these services
[10:27] <ogra_> *apps
[10:27] <davmor2> ogra_: I prefer apops
[10:27] <majin> Hello i have
[10:27] <ogra_> ok, me too i guess :)
[10:27] <undertasker> I'm a hardware guy, not much of a system coder.
[10:27] <majin> S4 mini GT-I9192 and i want install ubuntu touch
[10:28] <majin> is any way to do this?
[10:28] <ogra_> !devices | majin
[10:28] <ogra_> undertasker, well, then you have to wait til someone else does it or pay someone to do it for you
[10:29] <undertasker> There should be program like daemonize, that can keep every application active and running in the background.
[10:30] <nhaines> undertasker: I disagree.
[10:30] <ogra_> no, there shouldnt
[10:30] <undertasker> Why not?
[10:30] <ogra_> you have very strong constraints on a phone WRT memory and battery life
[10:31] <undertasker> Well, if the user wants to drain his battery, why not letting him.
[10:31] <ogra_> if you allow random apps to drain the battery or eat your ram you are not better than android in the end and your battery life will suck
[10:31] <ogra_> because there is a design that allows the user to do the same without draining the battery
[10:31] <undertasker> Not random apps, only some that the user can start manually, should he need  them.
[10:32] <ogra_> it just requires more work to use it
[10:32] <undertasker> But until everything is available as a service, why not having a workaround?
[10:32] <nhaines> undertasker: because then no one will work on the services.
[10:32] <majin> i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices my phone is not there. if it port ubuntu touch for S4 mini . Does may some part of my phone don't work like bluetooth or somthing else?
[10:33] <ogra_> majin, most likely ...
[10:33] <davmor2> majin: possible
[10:33] <nhaines> majin: porting is the process of making those things work.
[10:33] <ogra_> thats the meaning of porting ... "make that stuff work" :)
[10:33] <undertasker> Is GPS available as a service? For recording a trail even when the phone is hibernating?
[10:34] <ogra_> 1) make it build 2) make itboot 3) make all devices work on the port
[10:34] <ogra_> undertasker, not yet i think
[10:34] <ogra_> tvoss would know
[10:35] <ogra_> (surely on the list of things)
[10:35] <undertasker> Can I at least create cron jobs?
[10:35] <tvoss> undertasker, yup, on the backlog
[10:35] <majin> my phone has  unoffical cyanogenmod rom . is it enough for start porting or it need offical cyanogemod?
[10:35] <ogra_> majin, perferably AOSP
[10:35] <tvoss> undertasker, apps are not allowed to do that on purpose. Patches to the location service to enable the location service for trusted helpers are very welcome :)
[10:36] <majin> cyanogenmod used AOSP , right?
[10:36] <ogra_> undertasker, not without making the phone wriutable (though i'd consider that a bug, someone would have to file it ... its a one line change to fix it)
[10:36] <undertasker> What's a trusted helper in this context?
[10:37] <ogra_> majin, but they modified it so you will likely hit extra issues you will have to fix ... starting from CM is surely possible but likely more work ... if you can find an AOSP tree that will be easier
[10:46] <popey> ogra_: john-mcaleely what is bug 1437633 blocked on?
[10:46] <ogra_> popey, time
[10:46] <jibel> popey, thanks for the dupe, I oculdn't find it
[10:47] <popey> np
[10:47] <popey> found another while looking
[10:47] <ogra_> popey, i'll try to get to it before next OTA but i really cant promise anything, depnds on how much time snappy leaves me
[10:47] <popey> ogra_: can someone else do it?
[10:47] <ogra_> i guess so
[10:48] <ogra_> all info needed should be in the bug already
[10:51] <john-mcaleely> popey, I don't know
[10:52] <popey> it's a shame to have been broken since forever, especially since it is arguably a security flaw (user says 'no' to send data to us, we ignore it)
[10:52] <popey> s/security/privacy/
[10:54] <tvoss> undertasker, think a component that is triggered by the location service on position updates. The component would only be granted a very limited amount of resources (RAM, CPU) for a very limited amount of time
[10:54] <tvoss> undertasker, but that should enable you to enable GPS logging
[13:09] <tedg> zbenjamin: Yeah, it is set to the directory that the click is installed in.
[13:09] <tedg> zbenjamin: Makes it so that things like "qmlscene foo.qml" work.
[13:09] <zbenjamin> tedg: yeah, so PWD != getcwd right
[13:09] <zbenjamin> $PWD
[13:10] <tedg> I'd have to double check, but I don't think so.
[13:11] <tedg> $PWD I think will always be the user's home directory.
[13:11] <zbenjamin> tedg: well $PWD seems to point to /home/phablet, whereas getcwd() returns the click install path
[13:11] <tedg> It'll be the cwd for upstart
[13:11] <tedg> Yeah, that makes sense to me.
[13:38] <oSoMoN> dpm, do we have documentation on how to enable click apps for translation, and more specifically on where the mo files should be located in the package for the UITK to find and use them?
[13:42] <dpm> oSoMoN, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/internationalizing-your-app/
[13:43] <dpm> davidcalle, looking at that doc, "Translations are included in your click package in data/share/locale//LC_MESSAGES/.mo" - is this correct? Are they not usually directly under share/locale/.. ?
[13:46] <oSoMoN> dpm, yeah, that’s what I was going to say, from looking at apps installed on my device, the mo files are either under share/locale/ or under $domain/locale/
[13:46] <davidcalle> dpm, sure, but in a click package this path is in data/
[13:46] <oSoMoN> and I suppose there is a missing "$lang" token in the path
[13:47] <davidcalle> Though, I understand how this can be misleading
[13:47] <dpm> ok, thanks for checking davidcalle. oSoMoN, yeah, the doc is definitely missing the $LANG bit
[13:47] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, looks like the cms stripped it, indeed
[13:47] <dpm> yeah
[13:47] <oSoMoN> davidcalle, I think this is misleading, as it says "in your click package"
[13:48] <oSoMoN> in your click package != in your source tree, right?
[13:48] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, and click package != project folder, if you unpack a click, it's in data/
[13:51] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, but on the other hand, the fact that's in data/ is just an implementation detail of click packaging. Should be removed from the doc, indeed.
[13:52] <oSoMoN> davidcalle, yes, I think so
[13:56] <davidcalle> dpm, oSoMoN, fixed, thanks!
[13:57] <oSoMoN> davidcalle, that was fast, thanks!
[14:02] <dpm> thanks oSoMoN, davidcalle!
[14:13] <ogra_> Stskeeps, are you guys copying us ?!? .... (our phone project lead left a week ago)
[14:22] <Stskeeps> ogra_: naah
[14:22] <Stskeeps> ogra_: i'm more amazed this stuff becomes news articles
[14:22] <ogra_> hah, yeah, i was too whe christian left
[14:22] <ogra_> *when
[14:22] <Stskeeps> ogra_: people move on, i'd be more worried if a large portion of engineers left :)
[14:22] <ogra_> and everybody is like: "they are doomed !!!"
[14:23] <ogra_> we should spread rumours about that secret managers exchange programme between jolla and canonical ;)
[14:23] <Stskeeps> ogra_: somebody already started that, claiming marc will join ubuntu touch..
[14:23] <popey> hah
[14:24] <ogra_> lol+
[14:32] <morphis> Stskeeps: :D
[15:25] <ncls> is the Ubuntu App Store down ?
[15:26]  * beuno checks
[15:27] <beuno> ncls, doesn't look like it
[15:27] <beuno> what are you seeing?
[15:28] <ncls> beuno: well ... nothing, when I click on it from the menu, it makes the orange bottom loading bar move for a minute, then nothing
[15:28] <ncls> same thing when I search for something
[15:29] <beuno> alecu, ^
[15:29] <ncls> My Music app stopped working (didn't play audio when I clicked on the play button) so I uninstalled it, but I can't get to install it again since the store is unavailable
[15:29] <ncls> (I know this might not solve the problem, but rebooting the phone didn't work either)
[15:29] <beuno> ncls, the servers are all up, so it might be local?
[15:30] <ncls> beuno : well, maybe, but I tried to access it from different places
[15:31] <beuno> ncls, does this URL work for you?  https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/click-metadata?name=com.ubuntu.developer.alecu.qr-code&name=com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.ubuntu-authenticator
[15:31] <ncls> from my phone ?
[15:32] <beuno> ncls, start from your computer
[15:32] <beuno> if they're on the same network
[15:32] <ncls> yes it does work from the computer, but my phone is not on the wifi
[15:32] <beuno> ncls, so that's the host that your phone would be accessing
[15:33] <beuno> can you try putting your phone on the wifi, test again?
[15:33] <ncls> beuno: I'll try with 3G first, as I don't have the WiFi code
[15:33] <beuno> sure
[15:34] <ncls> it does work
[15:34] <ncls> I mean, I get to the same Array of JSON objects
[15:34] <ncls> beuno:
[15:34] <popey> bfiller: did you see the mail to the list and bug 1492551? Should we crank a build and put in the store to replace the broken one?
[15:35] <popey> bfiller: I realise you guys are pretty busy, I'm happy to help here.
[15:35] <beuno> ncls, so it's likely some service on the phone has a problem
[15:35] <beuno> which I need to defer you to alecu or dobey
[15:37] <ncls> beuno: ok thank you for your help
[15:39] <bfiller> popey: havent' seen that
[15:39] <bfiller> popey: if you don't mind taking a look that would be great
[15:41] <popey> bfiller: np
[16:11] <marco_g> hi guys, I have a question, what kind of shell Ubuntu Touch use? dash or bash?
[16:16] <ogra_> marco_g, the same setup thats used on desktops
[16:17] <ogra_> (dash as /bin/sh ... bash for login shells)
[16:17] <marco_g> dash it's right?
[16:18] <ogra_> for /bin/sh, yes
[16:19] <ogra_> if you log in via terminal-app, USB or ssh the login shell for the user is bash though
[16:21] <marco_g> ok, thank you :)
[16:36] <n1ghtmar3> hi
[16:36] <n1ghtmar3> how are you all/
[16:37] <popey> Great.
[16:37] <n1ghtmar3> i wanted to ask if any of you folks ever tried to install ubuntu touch on chinese android device
[16:38] <n1ghtmar3> specs 512 ram , meditaek mtk652 1.3 ghz quad core
[16:39] <popey> not personally.
[16:39] <n1ghtmar3> ok. so do you know anyone who has ever tried
[16:40] <n1ghtmar3> hello?
[16:47] <jpconklin> I am trying to put Ubuntu onto my dell smartphone.
[16:47] <jpconklin> any suggestions?
[16:50] <popey> jpconklin: dell make phones?
[16:51] <beuno> jpconklin, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[17:06] <popey> JamesTait: is there an api to get app stats (downloads / users) from the click store?
[17:06] <rschroll> Question on app review: How long show I expect to wait for a manual review of an app that failed the automated review?
[17:06] <rschroll> jdstrand, perhaps you know ^^
[17:07] <popey> JamesTait: specifically, the raw data used for the graphs for individual apps
[17:09] <JamesTait> popey, I'm not sure, off the top of my head, where that data comes from. Let me see what I can figure out.
[17:09] <popey> JamesTait: thanks, i couldn't find anything in the docs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/
[17:10] <jdstrand> rschroll: it can be fast or not. Ie, there is no typical-- the processes surrounding manual reviews are not well-defined because there isn't staff to do them and because they shouldn't be necessary (ie, we don't want to reinvent myapps)
[17:11] <jdstrand> that said, I've been asked to look at your app
[17:12] <jdstrand> I can take a look now
[17:12] <stakewinner00> How can I completely remove some app? I have deleted some apps but still consume memory. And sudo apt-get autoclean don't works.
[17:13] <popey> stakewinner00: on ubuntu phone?
[17:13] <stakewinner00> yep, ubuntu phone
[17:13] <stakewinner00> bq e4.5
[17:13] <popey> stakewinner00: a few apps are baked into the read-only image so aren't easily removed I'm afraid
[17:13] <popey> any in partiular?
[17:14] <stakewinner00> popey, Some default apps like flickr, yelp and a game called "Cut The Rope Free", etc.
[17:15] <popey> yeah, I don't think you can fully remove them
[17:16] <stakewinner00> ok.
[17:17] <rschroll> jdstrand: Thanks.  I've had review requests get lost before, so I just wanted to make sure that wasn't happening again.
[17:18] <JamesTait> popey, it doesn't look like it's surfaced in an API currently, no.
[17:18] <popey> JamesTait: :(
[17:18] <popey> JamesTait: should I file a bug? Would be nice to be able to graph that locally
[17:19] <JamesTait> popey, would you mind? I can't make any promises as to priority, but at least then it's tracked and people can +1 it.
[17:19] <popey> ok
[17:20] <popey> JamesTait: where should I file it please?
[17:21] <JamesTait> https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+filebug
[17:21] <popey> kk thanks
[17:25] <popey> JamesTait: done, and spammed around developers to get them to "me too" it ;)
[17:26] <JamesTait> Thx. ☺
[17:29] <jdstrand> rschroll: hrm, you've hit a rather difficult area
[17:29] <jdstrand> dpm: hi! can you take a look at my comments in https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3405/ ?
[17:30] <dhbiker> hi there... just curious.. is it encouraged to hack around core apps like music ? or is it considered blasphemy ? :D
[17:30] <jdstrand> dpm: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3405/feedback/ is a better link. I think this is going to require some discussion
[17:31] <dpm> dhbiker, it's very much encouraged! https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/core-apps/
[17:31] <ahayzen> dhbiker, please hack away :-) pages for the core apps are here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/core-apps/
[17:31] <jdstrand> meh, several typos. I wish there was an 'edit' field in the review page :)
[17:31] <dpm> jdstrand, give me a minute and I'll look into it
[17:31] <ahayzen> ...damn dpm beat me ;-)
[17:31] <jdstrand> dpm: it is problem something you are going to want to discuss with your team
[17:31] <jdstrand> probably*
[17:32]  * jdstrand did not sleep enough last night
[17:32] <dhbiker> dpm, ahayzen ty already found it .. :D  starting to join the community after 3 weeks of usage to get comfortable with the OS :)
[17:32]  * dpm hugs ahayzen :)
[17:32] <popey> \o/
[17:32] <popey> I love it when people drop by offering to contribute, and the author of the app happens to be here :)
[17:32] <dhbiker> lol :D
[17:33] <dhbiker> well i like the OS
[17:33] <popey> reminds me, I need to change that file manager icon on the site!
[17:33] <dhbiker> was quite worried that i bought the wrong device after N900 but apparently i didn't :D
[17:33] <dhbiker> didn't really like ubuntu till this ubuntu touch
[17:34] <dhbiker> unity + keyboard and mouse... errr xD
[17:34] <rschroll> jdstrand: Thanks for looking it over.  For now, I'll submit it to the open app store.  Feel free to follow up if you need more info or would like me to consider proposed solutions: rschroll at gmail.
[17:34] <dpm> thanks for the understanding rschroll
[17:36] <jdstrand> yes
[17:36] <jdstrand> thank you
[17:38] <rschroll> Well, I'm not sure I understand some of the confinement decisions, but I'm willing to accept them.
[17:39] <rschroll> Philosophic difference only, I suppose.
[19:00] <dhbiker> if you enable dev mode on the device... do you still get the updates ? (arale rc proposed)
[19:02] <mcphail> dhbiker: yes
[19:04] <mcphail> dhbiker: OTA updates will come unless you make / read/write by a particular incantaion, thereby creating a dotfile which blocks updates (afaik)
[19:05] <dhbiker> ah. k
[19:10] <mcphail> I see Apple may be planning to allow ad-blockers for the browser on iOS. Would be nice to see that on Ubuntu. It would save me hacking my /etc/hosts file
[19:15] <dhbiker> haha
[19:16] <dhbiker> what base is the browser from ?
[19:16] <mcphail> dhbiker: on Ubuntu? the renderer is a fork of chromium
[19:17] <dhbiker> oh nice
[19:35] <popey> mcphail: dhbiker it doesn't block updates if you go RW
[19:35] <popey> it just isn't a tested scenario, so could break
[20:28] <mcphail> popey: I think "phablet-config writable-image" disables updates (if that method is still supported)
[20:31] <steve____> is there native support for wifi hotspot on ubuntu touch?
[20:32] <mcphail> steve____: yes
[20:33] <steve____> thanks
[20:47] <fire_mx4> hi chat
[20:48] <fire_mx4> anyone available here?
[21:11] <popey> mcphail: nope
[21:18] <mcphail> popey: might be best to remove the information from the wiki, then, on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[21:19] <popey> hmmm
[21:19] <popey> thanks
[22:45] <Inoki> Guys I have a problem. Can't transfer files between my E5 and Ubuntu 14.04.2
[22:46] <Inoki> I connected the phone via USB 3.0 and now it sees it, but cannot transfer anything.
[22:47] <grrrrrrr> what happens?
[22:48] <Inoki> It says: libmtp error:  Could not send object info.
[22:49] <Inoki> Does the same with dev mode on.
[22:49] <Inoki> And the screen is not locked.
[22:52] <grrrrrrr> Do you use banshee media player on your desktop?
[22:53] <Inoki> Nope, Quod Libet.
[22:53] <Inoki> I just tried sudo apt-get -y install libmtpserver-dev mtp-server, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
[22:54] <grrrrrrr> Google suggests banshee mtp can interfere with nautilus mtp. Maybe quod libet does the same?
[22:55] <Inoki> I have no idea... but stuff like this shouldn't create issues... Ubuntu not being able to connect to Ubuntu...
[22:55]  * grrrrrrr shrugs
[22:56] <grrrrrrr> MTP really needs to die
[22:59] <Inoki> Not even sudo apt-get install mtpfs helps...
[23:00] <JanC> mtp-server sounds like you want to be an MTP-device yourself
[23:01] <grrrrrrr> does mtp work with android phones?
[23:01] <Inoki> It did, but I don't have one here.
[23:01] <JanC> I'm sure they support MTP somehow
[23:01] <grrrrrrr> did it work before or after you installed quod libet?
[23:02] <JanC> e.g. to print
[23:02] <popey> grrrrrrr: I don't have a 14.04 system handy, but it should work...
[23:02] <popey> I am on 15.10 and it works fine
[23:02] <Inoki> Android phones always worked.
[23:02] <popey> oops, wrong person :)
[23:03] <popey> Inoki: do you use nautilus?
[23:03] <Inoki> popey: Yup, it's basically a fresh install of 14.04.2 due to kernel 3.16, but terminal shows 14.04.3 after recent updates. Fully up-to-date.
[23:03] <popey> hmmm
[23:04] <popey> Inoki: http://askubuntu.com/questions/602488/ubuntu-phone-bq-aquaris-e4-5-usb-problem
[23:07] <M4rtinK> well, the biggest problem with MTP is that it is broken by design
[23:08] <grrrrrrr> yep
[23:08] <M4rtinK> it does not even support seek/random access !
[23:08] <Inoki> Ok, this is odd,
[23:08] <Inoki> When I run lsusb I can't see the phone
[23:09] <Inoki> lsusb
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0cf3:3004 Atheros Communications, Inc.
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 5986:0652 Acer, Inc
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0438:7900 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:c246 Logitech, Inc. Gaming Mouse G300
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0438:7900 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 003 Device 009: ID 2a47:2008
[23:09] <Inoki> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[23:09] <M4rtinK> and not to mention all the "media player" baggage it has been lugging around from its origins
[23:09] <M4rtinK> so my recommendation is to not even *think* about using MTP
[23:09] <M4rtinK> it's such a waste of time
[23:09] <popey> 2a47:2008 is the phone
[23:09] <M4rtinK> just setup usb networking or even wifi connectivity
[23:10] <Inoki> M4rtinK: yeah, I uninstalled all three packages suggested ;)
[23:10] <M4rtinK> and use sshfs/scp
[23:10] <Inoki> popey: but why doesn't it say...
[23:10] <M4rtinK> I have been using this setup from the beginning with exactly 0 issues :)
[23:10] <popey> because the phone came out after the database of USB IDs on your pc
[23:10] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usbutils/+bug/1421740
[23:11] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602760/ubuntuphone-does-not-connect-to-ubuntu-desktop looks good
[23:11] <popey> via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ciborium/+bug/1434992
[23:13] <Inoki> Trying the PPA popey
[23:15] <grrrrrrr> Any news on a commercial tablet device yet?
[23:17] <Inoki> Still doesn't work popey
[23:18] <Inoki> Could it be because I removed libmtpserver-dev mtp-server mtpfs before?
[23:18] <Inoki> I tried those packages before but they didn't help, so I removed them.
[23:31] <Inoki> Anyway, thanks for the help guys, gotta run, late here
[23:42] <Sleep_Walker> hi
[23:42] <Sleep_Walker> thanks for hotspot functionality :)
[23:43] <Sleep_Walker> question: can I somehow rise volume during call to higher value than using buttons on the side?
[23:49] <Sleep_Walker> it seems that changing volume through ssh during the call on both sinks has no effect