[02:36] <ali1234> do you think i should take on a project to migrate a joomla 1.5 site to whatever is the newest version?
[02:37] <ali1234> i only ever tried to use joomla once and it seemed like the most terrible thing ever
[02:38] <ali1234> but it's a straight migration, so it should be relatively easy
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> and if anything goes wrong in the next nth years it'll be your problem...
[02:56] <ali1234> yeah but that's more billable hours...
[02:57] <zmoylan-pi> find a mate who does joomla who can give you a yea nay on if it's straightforward?
[02:58] <ali1234> well yeah that's why i'm here...
[03:02] <zmoylan-pi> i thought drupal had won the cms wars...
[03:02] <ali1234> maybe but the site is like 10 years old or whatever
[03:03] <diddledan> drupal won the enterprise
[03:03] <diddledan> anyone who actually works with stuff prefers wordpress
[03:36]  * zmoylan-pi puts on tremors 3
[03:53] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, you seem to have a worm fetish thing going on of late
[04:10] <zmoylan-pi> nowt wrong with a good trashy monster movie
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Physical Therapy Day! 😃
[08:34] <bashrc> morning
[08:40] <diddledan> that sounds like hard work
[08:42] <bashrc> good moaning
[08:43]  * diddledan complains
[08:44] <diddledan> (that's a good moaning for you!)
[08:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA
[08:53] <diddledan> oh god
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:57] <diddledan> allo
[08:58] <brobostigon> hi diddledan
[08:58] <JamesTait> davmor2, you deserve to be locked up for sharing that.
[08:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: It's your fault you picked the day :P
[09:03] <diddledan> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-an-open-source-artificial-intelligence-for
[09:03] <diddledan> 50 hours
[09:21] <diddledan> hmm, americans were having a lazy day yesterday?!
[09:22] <diddledan> that's cheaky!
[09:28] <diddledan> bbc says: 30,000 migrants now in Greece, 20,000 in Lesbos <-- that sounds entirely family unfriendly to me
[09:31] <bashrc> I guess people are moving en masse to avoid ISIS
[09:33] <bashrc> probably it's not smart to stick around when those folks show up
[09:34] <bashrc> rather like nazis
[09:35] <diddledan> bashrc: I guess women liking other women doesn't go down too well with ISIS?
[09:35] <popey> diddledan: steady
[09:35] <popey> i think we left that one at the gate when I left school 25 years ago
[09:38] <diddledan> does anyone here have problems with virgin+SSH?
[09:38] <popey> wfm
[09:38] <diddledan> grr
[09:38] <diddledan> it keeps timing out on me
[09:38] <popey> my device is in modem only mode though
[09:38] <popey> it used to fail before that
[09:39] <diddledan> yeah mine's in modem mode too
[09:39] <diddledan> :-(
[09:39] <popey> I stay on ssh all day every day
[09:39] <popey> no problem here
[09:52] <Dave> timing out when you're using it? or when idle?
[09:52] <Dave> (also, use mosh, etc, etc, etc.)
[09:52] <diddledan> Dave: in the middle of an sftp transfer
[09:53] <Dave> oh, well mosh probably doesn't help there then
[09:54] <davmor2> diddledan: wfm too to my home server and externals too
[09:54] <davmor2> diddledan: also my irc is on my home server so that connects well too :)
[09:55] <diddledan> http://bloke.org/linux/ssh-timeouts-on-docsis-3-virgin-media-50mb-100mb-120mb/
[09:56] <diddledan> that suggests something afoot
[09:56] <diddledan> although 2012
[09:57] <diddledan> maybe I should switch to someone else
[09:57] <davmor2> diddledan: are you using standard ports? are you forwarding to a server from your router etc etc
[09:57] <diddledan> port 22
[09:57] <diddledan> and it's outgoing
[09:57] <diddledan> not incoming
[09:57] <diddledan> I don't have servers here
[09:57] <diplo> diddledan: That also says that it's superhub related not when in modem mode ?
[09:58] <davmor2> diddledan: then I have no issues and I'm doing it on and off all day the same as popey
[09:58] <diddledan> diplo: are you reading the same page?
[09:58] <diplo> diddledan: ServerAliveInterval 100
[09:58] <davmor2> diddledan: and that is to my home network and external too
[09:58] <diplo> On your ssh config ?
[09:58] <diplo> Sorry meant to say in the comments :D
[09:59] <davmor2> diddledan: are you sure the thing you are trying to connect to is up?
[09:59] <diplo> http://superuser.com/questions/98562/way-to-avoid-ssh-connection-timeout-freezing-of-terminal-tab
[09:59] <diddledan> see, I'm not using openssh :-p
[10:00] <davmor2> diddledan: that is your problem then :P
[10:00] <diddledan> this is using github.com/pkg/sftp
[10:02] <davmor2> diddledan: will that not still use the ssh protocol and therefore open ssh then, or are you using another operating system?
[10:03] <diddledan> no it uses an implementation of ssh in go
[10:07] <diddledan> part of my problem is that my custoclient using that library doesn't actually do timeout how you expect - it just sits there pretending to have it's thumb in it's mouth until you get fed up and ^C it
[10:09] <diddledan> the reason for the custoclient was because I need to remove files from the remote system which aren't in my local system meaning I need recursive enumeration of the remote files and an openssh sftp batch script can't anticipate that (AFAICT)
[10:10] <diddledan> it would be easy if I could rsync but this client insisted on the server provider and the server provider insists on sftp access only
[10:10] <davmor2> diddledan: don't know what to say then, I'm having no issues here, but I am only using standard ssh, maybe popey has a github account and can try that out
[10:12] <diplo> If you are elsewhere diddledan it works fine, just from the Virgin line ?
[10:15] <diddledan> good question - my colleagues haven't had an issue with their own access of the server from their locations but I myself haven't tried it anyplace else
[10:15] <diddledan> or maybe I did and I can't remember whether it worked or not :-p
[10:18] <diplo> Could raise an issue against the github about asking for the setting I said earlier to be added ?
[10:22] <diddledan> ok a native sftp session just died
[10:22] <diddledan> as in an openssh sftp
[11:26] <foobarry> do you own the far end server diddledan ?
[11:27] <foobarry> could be server timeout or cpu setting in limits.conf
[11:29] <diddledan> nope
[11:29] <diddledan> I can't access the server any way other than sftp
[11:29] <foobarry> some cisco routers drop idle connections
[11:30] <diddledan> the thing is it seems to just stop in mid-transfer
[11:30] <diddledan> i.e. going nicely at 10Mbit/s and then suddenly nada
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> is it a certain time into the connection timeout?
[11:32] <diddledan> no it's at a random interval
[11:33] <davmor2> diddledan: does your connection drop if you watch a video on youtube or is it only ssh?  also does it happen if you use another os?
[11:34] <diddledan> ONLY ssh
[11:34] <zmoylan-pi> try a different ssh client?
[11:34] <diddledan> although videos on yootoob use HLS these days which is many many connections
[11:35] <diddledan> so that's not an apples-to-apples
[11:35] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: it fails in both openssh sftp and a golang coded sftp client
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> so it sounds more the server than your end
[11:44] <diddledan> ooh, nearly time for people to gawk at the animals feeding
[11:44] <diddledan> aka lunch
[11:45]  * zmoylan-pi has beans, sausages and mash...
[11:48] <davmor2> Spag bol by the smell of it :)
[11:48] <diddledan> \o/
[11:49] <diddledan> spag-bog* :-p
[11:49] <diddledan> aka "sgetti"
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> /sbin/sgetty ?
[11:59] <diddledan> lol
[13:17] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/50NerdsofGrey
[13:18] <diddledan> I defy you not to read that in moss' voice
[13:22] <diddledan> then there's this: "There are only two hard problems in distributed systems:  2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery"
[14:29] <mati> Hi I have problem to connect my HP printer via network Can anyone help me?:)
[15:02] <diddledan> hahaha: http://boxerapp.com/blog/2012/11/12/pc-load-letter/
[15:03] <diddledan> that is positively awesome
[15:03] <diddledan> shame it don't work on loonecks
[15:03] <foobarry> found an old SSD card, hdparm -r /dev/sda gives 80MB/s :(
[15:03] <foobarry> -t
[15:03] <foobarry> even my hard drive gives 110MB/s
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> but does it make the sound of a dot matrix?
[15:04] <diddledan> \o/
[15:04] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I might have to submit a PR for that
[15:06] <zmoylan-pi> it only counts as a dot matrix printout when someone is rocking backwards and forwards at their desk chanting the mantra. 'when will the printing stop?'
[15:27] <Laney> Brr
[15:27] <Laney> cold today
[17:00] <diddledan> why do apple have to do their announcements on wednesdays?! that's my day to be visting the parental units right when they're usually keynoting
[17:00] <diddledan> i.e. 6pm
[17:33]  * diddledan watching the original thunderbirds
[17:33] <diddledan> I forgot how awesome it was
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> i preferred stingray
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> but it was excellent
[17:34] <popey> yeah, i liked stingray and joe 90. never really got into captain scarlet
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> yeah it was the earlier one, wasn't it and didn't quite gel
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> i even liked terrahawks
[17:37] <popey> I loved that
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't seem to get the same love as his 60s stuff
[17:38]  * popey watches the titles again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNRzgB8PNtM
[17:38] <popey> the graphics were very HHGTTG style
[17:38] <popey> vector stuff
[17:38] <popey> I recall making lego versions of their ships when I was a kid
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> and the ships in space 1999 are still some of the best ships in sci fi ever
[17:39] <zmoylan-pi> and made it into red dwarf \o/
[17:46] <popey> http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/tv-radio/voice-terrahawks-hero-reveals-how-5457087
[18:14] <davmor2> popey: this was still my favourite intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acOnskcyrtA
[18:49] <popey> davmor2: yeah, that blue and red ship, I'd make lego versions of that too :)
[18:50] <popey> nothing like this tho https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/78/ea/1078ea8a085b0b784266453cc95ca3d3.jpg
[18:57] <davmor2> popey: can you imagine a lego version of the starfleet ships the transform into the robot
[20:54] <diddledan> fun video with a snippet that explains a useful method of coping with various web browser fails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IskiTVqHp18
[21:58] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/641369907381280768/photo/1
[22:35] <diddledan> popey: wtf? mcafee for prez?!