[07:48] <SakreZZz> good suggestion OvenWerks 
[18:36] <sakrecoer> finaly got this dev install running. first thing i did was to open ubuntustduio controls...
[18:37] <sakrecoer> what is it supposed to do? realtime is on, and my user is in the audio group... why would i want to change those settings?
[18:42] <sakrecoer> ok, help answered my questions. its in case the machine has multiple users...
[18:45] <holstein> if you added a user, that user wouldnt necessarily get those tweaks
[18:46] <sakrecoer> thanks!
[18:46] <sakrecoer> makes sense...
[19:42] <sakreZzZZzz> i organised all the fonts distributed in to a few groups in fontmanager. the basic ones: sans, serif, mono, script, breadtext and one named "poster" for all the fantasy fonts. The config file ends up in ~/.config/ is this file something that could be interesting for the masses?
[19:43] <sakreZzZZzz> i also deactivated all the "poster" fonts to enhance inkscape speed at start up. This creates a file ~/.config/fontmanager/ maybe this can be usefull too?
[20:32] <OvenWerks> sakreZzZZzz: The question is if this file can be used from /etc/ or /etc/xdg/ or /usr/share/something.
[20:33] <OvenWerks> sakreZzZZzz: it would be best to use the system config file for a change to the ISO.
[20:40] <OvenWerks> sakreZzZZzz: what is the actual fontmanager application you are using? the "Font Manager" from our menu in 1404 does not use that directory by default. I am looking at font-manager from command line.
[20:48] <zequence> sakreZzZZzz: Only Ubuntu Studio has that set up for the first user. Anything else based on Ubuntu won't.
[20:48] <zequence> So, if you are on regular Ubuntu, install ubuntustudio-controls to make sure the user gets realtime privilege
[20:50] <zequence> The audio group membership is a hack done to the installer, which I haven't actually looked at how it is done
[20:50] <zequence> Was done by someone not in the ubuntu studio team. Might have been cjwatson
[20:51] <zequence> In Debian, all regular users are in audio group. In Ubuntu not, because of security reasons. It's not a regular user group anymore, so to speak, and shouldn't be on Debian either
[20:52] <zequence> I've been trying to change that, but Debian folks are a bit hard to communicate with sometimes (reference to a Ubuntu wiki page automatically made someone reject my bug report)
[20:53] <zequence> I will give it another go this autumn
[20:53] <zequence> My goal is for there to be a single way to get realtime privilege in all Debian derived, and in a way that you get that just by installing jackd
[20:54] <zequence> since jackd is packaged for Debian, it assumes all users are in audio group, which is true only in Debian
[20:55] <sakrecoer> thanks!
[20:55] <zequence> That single problem is a huge barrier in Debian based audio world
[20:55] <zequence> ..for users
[20:57] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: yes, font-manager. in 14.04. you are right, the file is generated once fontamanger is started but only after the user activley creates a group
[20:57] <sakrecoer> the trick would be to find where to put it...
[20:58] <sakrecoer> it's the standard ubuntustudio fontlist...
[21:00] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html shows some system file locations.
[21:01] <sakrecoer> zequence: i understand better now. I've never installed ubuntustudio in a school or an environement where one computer needs several users. wealthy me....( ..)
[21:01] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: -controls also allows installing Studio metas on another flavour(kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.)
[21:04] <sakrecoer> ok... hmm...
[21:04]  * sakrecoer so many questions
[21:05] <sakrecoer> anyways... audio questions other day :)
[21:07] <sakrecoer> fonts a gogo...:p
[21:08] <sakrecoer> i like the new tab focus
[21:08] <sakrecoer> funky nice
[21:13] <sakrecoer> i'm trying to understand the link OvenWerks just sent.
[21:13] <sakrecoer> the file that fontmanager is using is an .xml file
[21:13] <sakrecoer> fontgroups.xml
[21:14] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: That link actually came from the help that is part of font-manager.
[21:15] <OvenWerks> Click on the circle with the ? and then select advanced settings.
[21:17] <OvenWerks> What it is basically saying is that there are some system files that are generic across XDG compliant systems that could do what you are trying to do with font-manager specific files.
[21:18]  * OvenWerks is disapointed that the documentation does not give more information about font-manager's config files.
[21:18]  * sakrecoer looking at a circle with the ? and a funky singing cat-dog
[21:19] <sakrecoer> i think it looks good
[21:19] <sakrecoer> i just learned about it
[21:19] <sakrecoer> so i have a lot to read...
[21:20] <sakrecoer> but yeah, it's a bit wild the doc..
[21:20] <sakrecoer> i wonder if the system first loads the fonts, and then fontmanager unloiads them?
[21:20] <OvenWerks> man font-manager is very sparce.
[21:20] <OvenWerks>  :P  yuck!
[21:21] <sakrecoer> but can we not put files in ~/ ?
[21:21] <sakrecoer> hehe... my question echoed in me... 
[21:23] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: sparce? the man as in manual?
[21:26] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: type:
[21:27] <OvenWerks> man font-manager
[21:27] <OvenWerks> from the command line.
[21:27] <OvenWerks> The unix man page should normally have a list of all config file locations
[21:28] <sakrecoer> :D thanks!
[21:28] <OvenWerks> look at man bash for example. There is a Files section.
[21:29] <sakrecoer> oh! a REAL poem!
[21:30] <sakrecoer> how to search in man
[21:30] <sakrecoer> ?
[21:30] <sakrecoer> ah maybe i found..
[21:31] <sakrecoer>  :p
[21:33] <sakrecoer> hmm... pattern "Files" not ofund...
[21:36] <sakrecoer> so the generated filepath and the generated file is hard coded in font-manager
[21:36] <sakrecoer> and its not ok to place it there at install..?
[21:43]  * sakrecoer epiphany
[21:47] <sakrecoer> not a very long one...
[21:50] <sakrecoer> found an interesting py script
[21:50] <sakrecoer> /usr/share/font-manager/utils/xmlutils.py
[21:55] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: Sorry, I guess it is a FILES section. search with /FILES in a man page as it is just using less.
[21:56] <sakrecoer> no prob :)
[21:56] <sakrecoer> al the confiog files are talking about local.conf that will replace them soon and alsto about Fontconfig creating files
[21:57] <sakrecoer> but i can't find "fontconfig" program...
[22:11] <sakrecoer> i have to charge my wetware battery.. :,C
[22:12] <sakrecoer> how is that desktop files cleaning thing going, i have to look into that.
[22:12] <sakrecoer> bye y'all! goodgame!