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xubuntu04wHello everyone00:13
xubuntu04wI am doing a clean install of xubuntu and need some partitioning help00:14
holsteinsure.. just ask :)00:14
xubuntu04wWhat size should the swap be?00:16
xubuntu04wI have 8gb of physical memory00:16
xubuntu04wAnd a 500gb hdd00:16
holsteinwell, if you want, you can just let the automatic installing do it..00:16
holsteinif you want to do it yourself, it'll depend on your needs..00:16
xubuntu04wI'm using the laptop for basic college work00:17
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes for exasmple00:17
holsteinsure. so, why not just let the installer do it? automatically?00:17
xubuntu04wWill be using a lot of office software, doing lots of web browsing, and be using a something like foobar for my music colelction00:17
xubuntu04w*using something like00:18
holsteinsure.. that'll all work with the automatic partitioning..00:18
knomeif you want to suspend, then swap should be the same size as your RAM00:18
knomebut if you don't care about suspending, then it's a different matter00:19
xubuntu04wWell, it's not actually a clean install. I should mention that windows was previously installed, so boot manager and some other partitions are still on the machine00:19
knomebut you could just let the installer set that up automatically as holstein suggested00:19
xubuntu04wWill the automatic set-up delete all partitions and create the minimum amount need just for xubuntu?00:20
knomethere are several automatic options00:20
xubuntu04w*minimum amount of partitions00:20
holsteinyou can read what it will do.. but, you want to have backups before installing any OS, or doing parition management..00:20
holstein!dualboot00:20
ubottuDual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot00:20
xubuntu04wI do not want to dual boot. I can manage everything I need for college on xubuntu.00:21
xubuntu04wI tried it in the past, but didn't like it00:21
holsteinthen, you will remove the partitions, with the option in the installer, that removes everthing, and installs xubuntu only on the drive, automatically00:21
knomexubuntu04w, you can totally select to remove everything00:21
knome!uefi00:21
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI00:21
xubuntu04wthanks I'll check that link out00:22
knomeit's good to read before you jump into installing if it's a newer machine00:22
xubuntu04wLast time I tried doing this the machine booted into "gnu grub" and I had to select a boot option. How do I set it up so that the machine boots directly into xubuntu and that's it.00:23
xubuntu04wI strictly want xubuntu and to allocate all available space accordingly00:23
knomegrub should do that automatically if you only have one OS00:23
knomesince you have a bigger HDD, i would suggest to create separate partitions for / and /home00:24
xubuntu04wOk, the issue seems to be that windows boot manager wasn't deleted. Did I select the wrong automatic download option?00:24
knomethat way you can reinstall easily with keeping your personal files (on /home)00:24
knomethe installer might do that with bigger HDD's automatically, but i'm not sure, it's a long time since i installed xubuntu on a bigger HDD...00:25
xubuntu04wI think I'm going to do some research and manually partition00:26
knomeread what i said about suspending earlier, in addition to swap (if any), i would say / and /home are enough00:27
xubuntu04wThe only issue is that my knowledge is limited when it comes to partitioning and I need to have the OS installed ASAP for school00:27
xubuntu04wAlright, and I will be suspending00:27
knomeunless you specifically want to do something else, but usually you don't need to00:27
knomethen you'll want a 8GB swap00:27
holsteinwill you? i never suspend00:27
xubuntu04wSuspending is similar to hibernating, no?00:28
holsteinhibernate.. i never hibernate.. i suppose i suspend all the time..00:28
xubuntu04wCan you shutdown and save the current session in xubuntu? that would eliminate the need for me to suspend.00:29
xubuntu04wSince booting is quick00:29
knomeactually i think you only need the swap for hibernating...00:29
knomexubuntu04w, you can00:29
xubuntu04wOkay00:29
knomebut that doesn't mean the boot is quick00:29
xubuntu04wgot it00:29
holsteinsuspend is what i use.. until i need to reboot for a kernel update00:29
xubuntu04wSo, I'll stick with 8,000 mb of swap00:30
knomeand, hibernating isn't enabled by default on xubuntu for a few reasons00:30
xubuntu04wI noticed that00:30
xubuntu04wSo, i'm planning to use this model  for my install (the first tutorial): http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation00:30
knome8 Gb = 8192 Mb00:31
xubuntu04w@knome, thank you00:31
knomeand for /, i'd personally probably allocate 50 GB, which is way overkill, but a safe bet.00:31
xubuntu04wokay00:32
xubuntu04wI've read that some people allocate double the space of physical memory for swap, why is this?00:32
knomethat stores all of your applications and system files00:32
knomei'm sure that's covered in the links holstein dug up from the bot00:33
xubuntu04walright, so 50 gigs for / seems to make sense for me, as I have a music collection of 100+ gigs (lots of files). yes?00:34
knomewell since you said you have 500 GB in total, taking 50 GB away from that isn't an issue really00:34
xubuntu04wYeah00:34
knomei'm using 8,7GB on my laptop / atm00:35
xubuntu04whow big isd you hdd?00:35
knomeit all depends how much software you install00:35
xubuntu04w*is your00:35
knome128GB SSD, my / is 20GB00:35
xubuntu04wI'll be running libreoffice suite, some lightweight audio tools, gmusicbrowser, two web browsers, skype, vlc, a pdf viewer, and photo viewer00:37
xubuntu04wThat's about it00:37
knomewell as i said, "just to be sure"00:37
knome50GB is plenty00:37
xubuntu04walright00:37
knomethat also allows you to store other things outside /home at some point if you want to00:37
xubuntu04wI will also be connecting to the school's server for access to documents on the school computers00:39
xubuntu04wI'm not sure if that's important to this00:39
knomenope00:40
xubuntu04wok00:40
xubuntu04wWhat about running a virtual machine00:40
xubuntu04wshould I take that into consideration when partitioning00:40
knomethe gist is that if you assign 8GB to swap and, say, 42GB to /, then you'd have 450GB for /home, eg. all of your files00:40
knomefor VMs, you can choose the location of the virtualized hard drive00:40
knomeit can be in /home or somewhere else (eg. in the / partition)00:41
xubuntu04wgot it00:41
holsteincould be. if the connection requires a windows application00:41
xubuntu04wI typed 8192 for swap but it shows up as 1 mb less (8191)00:42
knomeholstein, well for partitioning, the only thing related is the installed size of the app, which is more than likely to fit a 20GB+ / ;)00:42
xubuntu04woh, it created a second free space of 1 mb.00:43
xubuntu04wWhy is that?00:43
knomeholstein, have insight on that?00:44
xubuntu04wThe current list shows the following:00:44
xubuntu04wfree space..........1mb00:45
xubuntu04wdev/sda1 swap................8191mb00:45
xubuntu04wfree space..................491915mb00:45
knomewell free space is free space... eg. nothing00:46
xubuntu04wokay00:46
knomei would make sure the swap is at least 8192, so rather make it 8200 than 819100:47
knomethat is, if you want to hibernate...00:47
knomethat's and educated guess at most, but as i take it, better be safe than to be sorry00:47
xubuntu04wI found this online, see the first answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/266574/problems-with-partitioning-on-guid-partition-table00:48
knomeyep, i wouldn't exactly worry about the dead space there00:49
knomeunless it was 50% of your capacity :P00:49
xubuntu04wok, but should I delete the swap and make it 8193 to account for the 1mb that will be lost to "free space"00:50
xubuntu04wor 8200 as knome suggests00:50
knomeyes, as i said, better make it a bit bigger than a bit smaller00:50
knomebecause as i understand it, if you try to hibernate and the RAM won't fit in the swap, you have a problem...00:51
xubuntu04wok00:51
knomebut then i don't use hibernating or suspending, so my guesses are at most educated ones...00:52
knome...better than my mum's though00:52
xubuntu04wI went with 8.5 gigs to be safe00:53
knome:)00:53
xubuntu04w8704mb00:53
knomeif you want nice numbers, you can go for 43GB /00:54
knomethat'll be more than enough too00:54
xubuntu04wdo you reccomend ext4 for / and /home?01:00
xubuntu04wrecommend*01:00
knomeyes01:01
xubuntu04wthanks01:02
xubuntu04wI won't be doing this, but can someone give a quick reason as to why someone would create partitions for /boot, /tmp and /var01:04
xubuntu04wIs it explained in the article from earlier?01:05
knomei don't know if it's covered, but sometimes people have specific use cases for them01:05
knomefor example, if you run an apache web server, the default location for the served files is outside /home01:05
knomeso you might want to allocate them to a different partition (or HDD)01:06
xubuntu04wAlright01:06
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xubuntu04wCan someone reccomend a partition manager for xubuntu?01:14
xubuntu04wPreferably something basic and lightweight01:15
knome!info gparted01:15
ubottugparted (source: gparted): GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.19.0-2 (vivid), package size 528 kB, installed size 1868 kB01:15
xubuntu04wthanks01:16
holsteini have one of those 1mb partitions.. for secure boot01:16
holsteini didnt put it on the hard drive that i installed. but, i had to mess with the bios settings a bit.. i used automatic partitioning01:17
xubuntu04wgetting the notification that "efi boot partition" is need (at least 35mb in size)01:19
xubuntu04w*is needed01:19
xubuntu04wIn order to run boot loader code01:19
knomethen create one :)01:20
xubuntu04wwill do01:20
xubuntu04wBut why is that needed01:20
knomeit's a long story, but shortly, because major companies want to make sure "unsafe" OSes aren't ran...01:20
xubuntu04wok thanks01:21
xubuntu04wSo choose "reserved for BIOS boot area" under "use as"?01:22
knomei believe so01:22
knomethe uefi stuff i linked to might confirm that01:23
xubuntu04wLogical or primary type? also, for location: "beginning of this space" or "end of this space"?01:23
xubuntu04wI booted in BIOS mode which seems to be the problem01:25
xubuntu04wOr rather, booted directly from bios01:25
knomeneeds to be at the beginning of the drive01:28
knomeand i guess that makes it primary type..01:28
xubuntu04wcool01:28
holsteinthats the little 1mb partition01:36
holsteinthe efi boot partition. but, i worked around that with legacy bios settings, or something01:36
Afdalhey real quick can someone tell me how to install proprietary drivers for my graphics card?02:17
Afdalnever done this on Linux before02:17
AfdalGNU02:17
Afdalwhatever02:17
holsteinAfdal:02:17
pleia2if they're available via standard channels in Ubuntu, you want to open the Ubuntu Software Center02:18
holsteinyes.. please wait..02:18
AfdalI'm running an old Radeon X160002:18
holstein"Settings Manager - section "System" - Software & Updates - tab Additional Drivers."02:18
holstein!ati02:18
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto02:18
pleia2then go to: Edit > Software Sources02:18
holsteinotherwise, if its "old" it may not support the newer drivers..02:18
Afdal{:I02:18
pleia2in the "Additional Drivers" tab it may offer something02:18
holstein^ thats the easy way..02:19
holsteinand, it really should be offered, if its available..02:19
Afdalokay02:19
Afdalthanks :302:19
Afdalgonna go give it a try02:20
xubuntu36wtwinview02:21
xubuntu36wi want to use twinview02:21
xubuntu36wanyone could tell me how to make it ?02:21
holsteini use arandr, if the included tool doesnt work..02:22
holsteini simply hook up the monitors and hardware, and try implementing the desktop on them..02:22
xubuntu36wok...02:23
xubuntu36wthank both of you02:23
holsteinlol..02:25
puffI have about 100 little windows that I need to kill/close, is there any easier way to do this than manually?02:39
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xubuntu35wI am considering replacing Ubuntu with Xubuntu. I have a small ssd laptop. I use it mostly for writing items which are then sent out on email as .pdf attachments. Can I do this ob Xubuntu starting with the default AbiWord?13:46
krytarikxubuntu35w: AbiWord allows saving as PDF, yes.14:12
xubuntu35wThanks Krytarik!14:14
DexterFhi. 14.04 on SSD, left the computer for a while, now want to start it, cannot boot. booted live usb stick, sees the disk alright. suspect grub frizzled. UEFI machine, how do I fix that?14:43
holsteinDexterF: well, if its uefi, it would have never worked.. if its a bios setting, and you didnt mess with the bios settings, that is14:50
holsteinDexterF: what is happening when you try and boot? what messages?14:51
DexterFholstein: worked before, says it cannot find a boot dis15:00
DexterFk15:00
GridCube!bootrepair | tried boot repair DexterF ?15:00
ubottutried boot repair DexterF ?: Boot-Repair is a simple tool to repair frequent boot issues you may encounter in Ubuntu. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair for more info.15:00
holsteinliterally wont hurt to confirm that grub is installed ^15:00
holsteinbut, that is leaning toward a problem with the disk, if, it was working fine, and now is not.. that would indicate something has changed.. as in, if you did an upgrade, and "update-grub" didnt work, for some reason, or broke something.. or, the disk is failing..15:01
holsteinthe bios shouldnt be able to randomly change.. but, if you have "left the computer for a while", maybe, there is a proceedure you were doing to select the boot on the machine15:02
DexterFholstein: ok, gotta run, will dissect the error messages tomorrow and check on boot repair.15:06
clippngI'm stuck with attempting to create a bootable Windows USB on Xubuntu 15.04 currently, no matter what I do, can't find a solution that works.16:23
clippngUNetbootin no longer allows the choosing of NTFS USB drives, and WinUSB keeps giving errors.16:23
GridCubeclippng: partition the usb drive into a fat32 boot area and the rest ntfs16:42
clippngJust now, I mounted the windows 7 iso and I am just dragging the files into a NTFS formatted usb16:42
clippngwhich should work, ya?16:42
GridCubei have no idea16:44
GridCubebut ill assume, no16:44
flocculantclippng: no idea what you've tried, what you've read etc but http://onetransistor.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/make-bootable-windows-usb-from-ubuntu.html16:49
neyderhi there, how can I use dconf in 15.04 ,oultimately set global proxy ?18:05
neyderi need to set firefox to use proxy, but not configuring firefox in each user of each PC18:05
GridCubeneyder: firefox has its own proxy settings18:06
GridCubeah, you dont want to configure ff18:06
neyderyeah, need global setting, so I can set for new machines and new users in machines18:08
GridCubesudo mousepad /etc/environment ? add http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/18:09
neyderamm18:10
neyderI should try18:10
GridCubebut maybe that works just for one computer too?18:10
neyderits ok, but need to proxy ftp https too, that command it's not enough18:11
GridCubeneyder: sure is18:11
GridCubehttp://i.imgur.com/JYGC8fE.png neyder18:13
neydertrying! was reading this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man7/dconf.7.html18:15
GridCubei have no idea18:16
GridCubei just used that to configure my global proxy here18:16
neyderokey tranks!18:21
lildudespiderhello23:04
knomehello23:04
lildudespiderhey there guys I have some qustions regarding xubuntu23:04

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