xubuntu04w | Hello everyone | 00:13 |
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xubuntu04w | I am doing a clean install of xubuntu and need some partitioning help | 00:14 |
holstein | sure.. just ask :) | 00:14 |
xubuntu04w | What size should the swap be? | 00:16 |
xubuntu04w | I have 8gb of physical memory | 00:16 |
xubuntu04w | And a 500gb hdd | 00:16 |
holstein | well, if you want, you can just let the automatic installing do it.. | 00:16 |
holstein | if you want to do it yourself, it'll depend on your needs.. | 00:16 |
xubuntu04w | I'm using the laptop for basic college work | 00:17 |
holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes for exasmple | 00:17 |
holstein | sure. so, why not just let the installer do it? automatically? | 00:17 |
xubuntu04w | Will be using a lot of office software, doing lots of web browsing, and be using a something like foobar for my music colelction | 00:17 |
xubuntu04w | *using something like | 00:18 |
holstein | sure.. that'll all work with the automatic partitioning.. | 00:18 |
knome | if you want to suspend, then swap should be the same size as your RAM | 00:18 |
knome | but if you don't care about suspending, then it's a different matter | 00:19 |
xubuntu04w | Well, it's not actually a clean install. I should mention that windows was previously installed, so boot manager and some other partitions are still on the machine | 00:19 |
knome | but you could just let the installer set that up automatically as holstein suggested | 00:19 |
xubuntu04w | Will the automatic set-up delete all partitions and create the minimum amount need just for xubuntu? | 00:20 |
knome | there are several automatic options | 00:20 |
xubuntu04w | *minimum amount of partitions | 00:20 |
holstein | you can read what it will do.. but, you want to have backups before installing any OS, or doing parition management.. | 00:20 |
holstein | !dualboot | 00:20 |
ubottu | Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot | 00:20 |
xubuntu04w | I do not want to dual boot. I can manage everything I need for college on xubuntu. | 00:21 |
xubuntu04w | I tried it in the past, but didn't like it | 00:21 |
holstein | then, you will remove the partitions, with the option in the installer, that removes everthing, and installs xubuntu only on the drive, automatically | 00:21 |
knome | xubuntu04w, you can totally select to remove everything | 00:21 |
knome | !uefi | 00:21 |
ubottu | UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 00:21 |
xubuntu04w | thanks I'll check that link out | 00:22 |
knome | it's good to read before you jump into installing if it's a newer machine | 00:22 |
xubuntu04w | Last time I tried doing this the machine booted into "gnu grub" and I had to select a boot option. How do I set it up so that the machine boots directly into xubuntu and that's it. | 00:23 |
xubuntu04w | I strictly want xubuntu and to allocate all available space accordingly | 00:23 |
knome | grub should do that automatically if you only have one OS | 00:23 |
knome | since you have a bigger HDD, i would suggest to create separate partitions for / and /home | 00:24 |
xubuntu04w | Ok, the issue seems to be that windows boot manager wasn't deleted. Did I select the wrong automatic download option? | 00:24 |
knome | that way you can reinstall easily with keeping your personal files (on /home) | 00:24 |
knome | the installer might do that with bigger HDD's automatically, but i'm not sure, it's a long time since i installed xubuntu on a bigger HDD... | 00:25 |
xubuntu04w | I think I'm going to do some research and manually partition | 00:26 |
knome | read what i said about suspending earlier, in addition to swap (if any), i would say / and /home are enough | 00:27 |
xubuntu04w | The only issue is that my knowledge is limited when it comes to partitioning and I need to have the OS installed ASAP for school | 00:27 |
xubuntu04w | Alright, and I will be suspending | 00:27 |
knome | unless you specifically want to do something else, but usually you don't need to | 00:27 |
knome | then you'll want a 8GB swap | 00:27 |
holstein | will you? i never suspend | 00:27 |
xubuntu04w | Suspending is similar to hibernating, no? | 00:28 |
holstein | hibernate.. i never hibernate.. i suppose i suspend all the time.. | 00:28 |
xubuntu04w | Can you shutdown and save the current session in xubuntu? that would eliminate the need for me to suspend. | 00:29 |
xubuntu04w | Since booting is quick | 00:29 |
knome | actually i think you only need the swap for hibernating... | 00:29 |
knome | xubuntu04w, you can | 00:29 |
xubuntu04w | Okay | 00:29 |
knome | but that doesn't mean the boot is quick | 00:29 |
xubuntu04w | got it | 00:29 |
holstein | suspend is what i use.. until i need to reboot for a kernel update | 00:29 |
xubuntu04w | So, I'll stick with 8,000 mb of swap | 00:30 |
knome | and, hibernating isn't enabled by default on xubuntu for a few reasons | 00:30 |
xubuntu04w | I noticed that | 00:30 |
xubuntu04w | So, i'm planning to use this model for my install (the first tutorial): http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation | 00:30 |
knome | 8 Gb = 8192 Mb | 00:31 |
xubuntu04w | @knome, thank you | 00:31 |
knome | and for /, i'd personally probably allocate 50 GB, which is way overkill, but a safe bet. | 00:31 |
xubuntu04w | okay | 00:32 |
xubuntu04w | I've read that some people allocate double the space of physical memory for swap, why is this? | 00:32 |
knome | that stores all of your applications and system files | 00:32 |
knome | i'm sure that's covered in the links holstein dug up from the bot | 00:33 |
xubuntu04w | alright, so 50 gigs for / seems to make sense for me, as I have a music collection of 100+ gigs (lots of files). yes? | 00:34 |
knome | well since you said you have 500 GB in total, taking 50 GB away from that isn't an issue really | 00:34 |
xubuntu04w | Yeah | 00:34 |
knome | i'm using 8,7GB on my laptop / atm | 00:35 |
xubuntu04w | how big isd you hdd? | 00:35 |
knome | it all depends how much software you install | 00:35 |
xubuntu04w | *is your | 00:35 |
knome | 128GB SSD, my / is 20GB | 00:35 |
xubuntu04w | I'll be running libreoffice suite, some lightweight audio tools, gmusicbrowser, two web browsers, skype, vlc, a pdf viewer, and photo viewer | 00:37 |
xubuntu04w | That's about it | 00:37 |
knome | well as i said, "just to be sure" | 00:37 |
knome | 50GB is plenty | 00:37 |
xubuntu04w | alright | 00:37 |
knome | that also allows you to store other things outside /home at some point if you want to | 00:37 |
xubuntu04w | I will also be connecting to the school's server for access to documents on the school computers | 00:39 |
xubuntu04w | I'm not sure if that's important to this | 00:39 |
knome | nope | 00:40 |
xubuntu04w | ok | 00:40 |
xubuntu04w | What about running a virtual machine | 00:40 |
xubuntu04w | should I take that into consideration when partitioning | 00:40 |
knome | the gist is that if you assign 8GB to swap and, say, 42GB to /, then you'd have 450GB for /home, eg. all of your files | 00:40 |
knome | for VMs, you can choose the location of the virtualized hard drive | 00:40 |
knome | it can be in /home or somewhere else (eg. in the / partition) | 00:41 |
xubuntu04w | got it | 00:41 |
holstein | could be. if the connection requires a windows application | 00:41 |
xubuntu04w | I typed 8192 for swap but it shows up as 1 mb less (8191) | 00:42 |
knome | holstein, well for partitioning, the only thing related is the installed size of the app, which is more than likely to fit a 20GB+ / ;) | 00:42 |
xubuntu04w | oh, it created a second free space of 1 mb. | 00:43 |
xubuntu04w | Why is that? | 00:43 |
knome | holstein, have insight on that? | 00:44 |
xubuntu04w | The current list shows the following: | 00:44 |
xubuntu04w | free space..........1mb | 00:45 |
xubuntu04w | dev/sda1 swap................8191mb | 00:45 |
xubuntu04w | free space..................491915mb | 00:45 |
knome | well free space is free space... eg. nothing | 00:46 |
xubuntu04w | okay | 00:46 |
knome | i would make sure the swap is at least 8192, so rather make it 8200 than 8191 | 00:47 |
knome | that is, if you want to hibernate... | 00:47 |
knome | that's and educated guess at most, but as i take it, better be safe than to be sorry | 00:47 |
xubuntu04w | I found this online, see the first answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/266574/problems-with-partitioning-on-guid-partition-table | 00:48 |
knome | yep, i wouldn't exactly worry about the dead space there | 00:49 |
knome | unless it was 50% of your capacity :P | 00:49 |
xubuntu04w | ok, but should I delete the swap and make it 8193 to account for the 1mb that will be lost to "free space" | 00:50 |
xubuntu04w | or 8200 as knome suggests | 00:50 |
knome | yes, as i said, better make it a bit bigger than a bit smaller | 00:50 |
knome | because as i understand it, if you try to hibernate and the RAM won't fit in the swap, you have a problem... | 00:51 |
xubuntu04w | ok | 00:51 |
knome | but then i don't use hibernating or suspending, so my guesses are at most educated ones... | 00:52 |
knome | ...better than my mum's though | 00:52 |
xubuntu04w | I went with 8.5 gigs to be safe | 00:53 |
knome | :) | 00:53 |
xubuntu04w | 8704mb | 00:53 |
knome | if you want nice numbers, you can go for 43GB / | 00:54 |
knome | that'll be more than enough too | 00:54 |
xubuntu04w | do you reccomend ext4 for / and /home? | 01:00 |
xubuntu04w | recommend* | 01:00 |
knome | yes | 01:01 |
xubuntu04w | thanks | 01:02 |
xubuntu04w | I won't be doing this, but can someone give a quick reason as to why someone would create partitions for /boot, /tmp and /var | 01:04 |
xubuntu04w | Is it explained in the article from earlier? | 01:05 |
knome | i don't know if it's covered, but sometimes people have specific use cases for them | 01:05 |
knome | for example, if you run an apache web server, the default location for the served files is outside /home | 01:05 |
knome | so you might want to allocate them to a different partition (or HDD) | 01:06 |
xubuntu04w | Alright | 01:06 |
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xubuntu04w | Can someone reccomend a partition manager for xubuntu? | 01:14 |
xubuntu04w | Preferably something basic and lightweight | 01:15 |
knome | !info gparted | 01:15 |
ubottu | gparted (source: gparted): GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.19.0-2 (vivid), package size 528 kB, installed size 1868 kB | 01:15 |
xubuntu04w | thanks | 01:16 |
holstein | i have one of those 1mb partitions.. for secure boot | 01:16 |
holstein | i didnt put it on the hard drive that i installed. but, i had to mess with the bios settings a bit.. i used automatic partitioning | 01:17 |
xubuntu04w | getting the notification that "efi boot partition" is need (at least 35mb in size) | 01:19 |
xubuntu04w | *is needed | 01:19 |
xubuntu04w | In order to run boot loader code | 01:19 |
knome | then create one :) | 01:20 |
xubuntu04w | will do | 01:20 |
xubuntu04w | But why is that needed | 01:20 |
knome | it's a long story, but shortly, because major companies want to make sure "unsafe" OSes aren't ran... | 01:20 |
xubuntu04w | ok thanks | 01:21 |
xubuntu04w | So choose "reserved for BIOS boot area" under "use as"? | 01:22 |
knome | i believe so | 01:22 |
knome | the uefi stuff i linked to might confirm that | 01:23 |
xubuntu04w | Logical or primary type? also, for location: "beginning of this space" or "end of this space"? | 01:23 |
xubuntu04w | I booted in BIOS mode which seems to be the problem | 01:25 |
xubuntu04w | Or rather, booted directly from bios | 01:25 |
knome | needs to be at the beginning of the drive | 01:28 |
knome | and i guess that makes it primary type.. | 01:28 |
xubuntu04w | cool | 01:28 |
holstein | thats the little 1mb partition | 01:36 |
holstein | the efi boot partition. but, i worked around that with legacy bios settings, or something | 01:36 |
Afdal | hey real quick can someone tell me how to install proprietary drivers for my graphics card? | 02:17 |
Afdal | never done this on Linux before | 02:17 |
Afdal | GNU | 02:17 |
Afdal | whatever | 02:17 |
holstein | Afdal: | 02:17 |
pleia2 | if they're available via standard channels in Ubuntu, you want to open the Ubuntu Software Center | 02:18 |
holstein | yes.. please wait.. | 02:18 |
Afdal | I'm running an old Radeon X1600 | 02:18 |
holstein | "Settings Manager - section "System" - Software & Updates - tab Additional Drivers." | 02:18 |
holstein | !ati | 02:18 |
ubottu | For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto | 02:18 |
pleia2 | then go to: Edit > Software Sources | 02:18 |
holstein | otherwise, if its "old" it may not support the newer drivers.. | 02:18 |
Afdal | {:I | 02:18 |
pleia2 | in the "Additional Drivers" tab it may offer something | 02:18 |
holstein | ^ thats the easy way.. | 02:19 |
holstein | and, it really should be offered, if its available.. | 02:19 |
Afdal | okay | 02:19 |
Afdal | thanks :3 | 02:19 |
Afdal | gonna go give it a try | 02:20 |
xubuntu36w | twinview | 02:21 |
xubuntu36w | i want to use twinview | 02:21 |
xubuntu36w | anyone could tell me how to make it ? | 02:21 |
holstein | i use arandr, if the included tool doesnt work.. | 02:22 |
holstein | i simply hook up the monitors and hardware, and try implementing the desktop on them.. | 02:22 |
xubuntu36w | ok... | 02:23 |
xubuntu36w | thank both of you | 02:23 |
holstein | lol.. | 02:25 |
puff | I have about 100 little windows that I need to kill/close, is there any easier way to do this than manually? | 02:39 |
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xubuntu35w | I am considering replacing Ubuntu with Xubuntu. I have a small ssd laptop. I use it mostly for writing items which are then sent out on email as .pdf attachments. Can I do this ob Xubuntu starting with the default AbiWord? | 13:46 |
krytarik | xubuntu35w: AbiWord allows saving as PDF, yes. | 14:12 |
xubuntu35w | Thanks Krytarik! | 14:14 |
DexterF | hi. 14.04 on SSD, left the computer for a while, now want to start it, cannot boot. booted live usb stick, sees the disk alright. suspect grub frizzled. UEFI machine, how do I fix that? | 14:43 |
holstein | DexterF: well, if its uefi, it would have never worked.. if its a bios setting, and you didnt mess with the bios settings, that is | 14:50 |
holstein | DexterF: what is happening when you try and boot? what messages? | 14:51 |
DexterF | holstein: worked before, says it cannot find a boot dis | 15:00 |
DexterF | k | 15:00 |
GridCube | !bootrepair | tried boot repair DexterF ? | 15:00 |
ubottu | tried boot repair DexterF ?: Boot-Repair is a simple tool to repair frequent boot issues you may encounter in Ubuntu. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair for more info. | 15:00 |
holstein | literally wont hurt to confirm that grub is installed ^ | 15:00 |
holstein | but, that is leaning toward a problem with the disk, if, it was working fine, and now is not.. that would indicate something has changed.. as in, if you did an upgrade, and "update-grub" didnt work, for some reason, or broke something.. or, the disk is failing.. | 15:01 |
holstein | the bios shouldnt be able to randomly change.. but, if you have "left the computer for a while", maybe, there is a proceedure you were doing to select the boot on the machine | 15:02 |
DexterF | holstein: ok, gotta run, will dissect the error messages tomorrow and check on boot repair. | 15:06 |
clippng | I'm stuck with attempting to create a bootable Windows USB on Xubuntu 15.04 currently, no matter what I do, can't find a solution that works. | 16:23 |
clippng | UNetbootin no longer allows the choosing of NTFS USB drives, and WinUSB keeps giving errors. | 16:23 |
GridCube | clippng: partition the usb drive into a fat32 boot area and the rest ntfs | 16:42 |
clippng | Just now, I mounted the windows 7 iso and I am just dragging the files into a NTFS formatted usb | 16:42 |
clippng | which should work, ya? | 16:42 |
GridCube | i have no idea | 16:44 |
GridCube | but ill assume, no | 16:44 |
flocculant | clippng: no idea what you've tried, what you've read etc but http://onetransistor.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/make-bootable-windows-usb-from-ubuntu.html | 16:49 |
neyder | hi there, how can I use dconf in 15.04 ,oultimately set global proxy ? | 18:05 |
neyder | i need to set firefox to use proxy, but not configuring firefox in each user of each PC | 18:05 |
GridCube | neyder: firefox has its own proxy settings | 18:06 |
GridCube | ah, you dont want to configure ff | 18:06 |
neyder | yeah, need global setting, so I can set for new machines and new users in machines | 18:08 |
GridCube | sudo mousepad /etc/environment ? add http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/ | 18:09 |
neyder | amm | 18:10 |
neyder | I should try | 18:10 |
GridCube | but maybe that works just for one computer too? | 18:10 |
neyder | its ok, but need to proxy ftp https too, that command it's not enough | 18:11 |
GridCube | neyder: sure is | 18:11 |
GridCube | http://i.imgur.com/JYGC8fE.png neyder | 18:13 |
neyder | trying! was reading this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man7/dconf.7.html | 18:15 |
GridCube | i have no idea | 18:16 |
GridCube | i just used that to configure my global proxy here | 18:16 |
neyder | okey tranks! | 18:21 |
lildudespider | hello | 23:04 |
knome | hello | 23:04 |
lildudespider | hey there guys I have some qustions regarding xubuntu | 23:04 |
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