[00:13] Hello everyone [00:14] I am doing a clean install of xubuntu and need some partitioning help [00:14] sure.. just ask :) [00:16] What size should the swap be? [00:16] I have 8gb of physical memory [00:16] And a 500gb hdd [00:16] well, if you want, you can just let the automatic installing do it.. [00:16] if you want to do it yourself, it'll depend on your needs.. [00:17] I'm using the laptop for basic college work [00:17] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes for exasmple [00:17] sure. so, why not just let the installer do it? automatically? [00:17] Will be using a lot of office software, doing lots of web browsing, and be using a something like foobar for my music colelction [00:18] *using something like [00:18] sure.. that'll all work with the automatic partitioning.. [00:18] if you want to suspend, then swap should be the same size as your RAM [00:19] but if you don't care about suspending, then it's a different matter [00:19] Well, it's not actually a clean install. I should mention that windows was previously installed, so boot manager and some other partitions are still on the machine [00:19] but you could just let the installer set that up automatically as holstein suggested [00:20] Will the automatic set-up delete all partitions and create the minimum amount need just for xubuntu? [00:20] there are several automatic options [00:20] *minimum amount of partitions [00:20] you can read what it will do.. but, you want to have backups before installing any OS, or doing parition management.. [00:20] !dualboot [00:20] Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [00:21] I do not want to dual boot. I can manage everything I need for college on xubuntu. [00:21] I tried it in the past, but didn't like it [00:21] then, you will remove the partitions, with the option in the installer, that removes everthing, and installs xubuntu only on the drive, automatically [00:21] xubuntu04w, you can totally select to remove everything [00:21] !uefi [00:21] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [00:22] thanks I'll check that link out [00:22] it's good to read before you jump into installing if it's a newer machine [00:23] Last time I tried doing this the machine booted into "gnu grub" and I had to select a boot option. How do I set it up so that the machine boots directly into xubuntu and that's it. [00:23] I strictly want xubuntu and to allocate all available space accordingly [00:23] grub should do that automatically if you only have one OS [00:24] since you have a bigger HDD, i would suggest to create separate partitions for / and /home [00:24] Ok, the issue seems to be that windows boot manager wasn't deleted. Did I select the wrong automatic download option? [00:24] that way you can reinstall easily with keeping your personal files (on /home) [00:25] the installer might do that with bigger HDD's automatically, but i'm not sure, it's a long time since i installed xubuntu on a bigger HDD... [00:26] I think I'm going to do some research and manually partition [00:27] read what i said about suspending earlier, in addition to swap (if any), i would say / and /home are enough [00:27] The only issue is that my knowledge is limited when it comes to partitioning and I need to have the OS installed ASAP for school [00:27] Alright, and I will be suspending [00:27] unless you specifically want to do something else, but usually you don't need to [00:27] then you'll want a 8GB swap [00:27] will you? i never suspend [00:28] Suspending is similar to hibernating, no? [00:28] hibernate.. i never hibernate.. i suppose i suspend all the time.. [00:29] Can you shutdown and save the current session in xubuntu? that would eliminate the need for me to suspend. [00:29] Since booting is quick [00:29] actually i think you only need the swap for hibernating... [00:29] xubuntu04w, you can [00:29] Okay [00:29] but that doesn't mean the boot is quick [00:29] got it [00:29] suspend is what i use.. until i need to reboot for a kernel update [00:30] So, I'll stick with 8,000 mb of swap [00:30] and, hibernating isn't enabled by default on xubuntu for a few reasons [00:30] I noticed that [00:30] So, i'm planning to use this model for my install (the first tutorial): http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation [00:31] 8 Gb = 8192 Mb [00:31] @knome, thank you [00:31] and for /, i'd personally probably allocate 50 GB, which is way overkill, but a safe bet. [00:32] okay [00:32] I've read that some people allocate double the space of physical memory for swap, why is this? [00:32] that stores all of your applications and system files [00:33] i'm sure that's covered in the links holstein dug up from the bot [00:34] alright, so 50 gigs for / seems to make sense for me, as I have a music collection of 100+ gigs (lots of files). yes? [00:34] well since you said you have 500 GB in total, taking 50 GB away from that isn't an issue really [00:34] Yeah [00:35] i'm using 8,7GB on my laptop / atm [00:35] how big isd you hdd? [00:35] it all depends how much software you install [00:35] *is your [00:35] 128GB SSD, my / is 20GB [00:37] I'll be running libreoffice suite, some lightweight audio tools, gmusicbrowser, two web browsers, skype, vlc, a pdf viewer, and photo viewer [00:37] That's about it [00:37] well as i said, "just to be sure" [00:37] 50GB is plenty [00:37] alright [00:37] that also allows you to store other things outside /home at some point if you want to [00:39] I will also be connecting to the school's server for access to documents on the school computers [00:39] I'm not sure if that's important to this [00:40] nope [00:40] ok [00:40] What about running a virtual machine [00:40] should I take that into consideration when partitioning [00:40] the gist is that if you assign 8GB to swap and, say, 42GB to /, then you'd have 450GB for /home, eg. all of your files [00:40] for VMs, you can choose the location of the virtualized hard drive [00:41] it can be in /home or somewhere else (eg. in the / partition) [00:41] got it [00:41] could be. if the connection requires a windows application [00:42] I typed 8192 for swap but it shows up as 1 mb less (8191) [00:42] holstein, well for partitioning, the only thing related is the installed size of the app, which is more than likely to fit a 20GB+ / ;) [00:43] oh, it created a second free space of 1 mb. [00:43] Why is that? [00:44] holstein, have insight on that? [00:44] The current list shows the following: [00:45] free space..........1mb [00:45] dev/sda1 swap................8191mb [00:45] free space..................491915mb [00:46] well free space is free space... eg. nothing [00:46] okay [00:47] i would make sure the swap is at least 8192, so rather make it 8200 than 8191 [00:47] that is, if you want to hibernate... [00:47] that's and educated guess at most, but as i take it, better be safe than to be sorry [00:48] I found this online, see the first answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/266574/problems-with-partitioning-on-guid-partition-table [00:49] yep, i wouldn't exactly worry about the dead space there [00:49] unless it was 50% of your capacity :P [00:50] ok, but should I delete the swap and make it 8193 to account for the 1mb that will be lost to "free space" [00:50] or 8200 as knome suggests [00:50] yes, as i said, better make it a bit bigger than a bit smaller [00:51] because as i understand it, if you try to hibernate and the RAM won't fit in the swap, you have a problem... [00:51] ok [00:52] but then i don't use hibernating or suspending, so my guesses are at most educated ones... [00:52] ...better than my mum's though [00:53] I went with 8.5 gigs to be safe [00:53] :) [00:53] 8704mb [00:54] if you want nice numbers, you can go for 43GB / [00:54] that'll be more than enough too [01:00] do you reccomend ext4 for / and /home? [01:00] recommend* [01:01] yes [01:02] thanks [01:04] I won't be doing this, but can someone give a quick reason as to why someone would create partitions for /boot, /tmp and /var [01:05] Is it explained in the article from earlier? [01:05] i don't know if it's covered, but sometimes people have specific use cases for them [01:05] for example, if you run an apache web server, the default location for the served files is outside /home [01:06] so you might want to allocate them to a different partition (or HDD) [01:06] Alright === ponbiki_ is now known as ponbiki [01:14] Can someone reccomend a partition manager for xubuntu? [01:15] Preferably something basic and lightweight [01:15] !info gparted [01:15] gparted (source: gparted): GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.19.0-2 (vivid), package size 528 kB, installed size 1868 kB [01:16] thanks [01:16] i have one of those 1mb partitions.. for secure boot [01:17] i didnt put it on the hard drive that i installed. but, i had to mess with the bios settings a bit.. i used automatic partitioning [01:19] getting the notification that "efi boot partition" is need (at least 35mb in size) [01:19] *is needed [01:19] In order to run boot loader code [01:20] then create one :) [01:20] will do [01:20] But why is that needed [01:20] it's a long story, but shortly, because major companies want to make sure "unsafe" OSes aren't ran... [01:21] ok thanks [01:22] So choose "reserved for BIOS boot area" under "use as"? [01:22] i believe so [01:23] the uefi stuff i linked to might confirm that [01:23] Logical or primary type? also, for location: "beginning of this space" or "end of this space"? [01:25] I booted in BIOS mode which seems to be the problem [01:25] Or rather, booted directly from bios [01:28] needs to be at the beginning of the drive [01:28] and i guess that makes it primary type.. [01:28] cool [01:36] thats the little 1mb partition [01:36] the efi boot partition. but, i worked around that with legacy bios settings, or something [02:17] hey real quick can someone tell me how to install proprietary drivers for my graphics card? [02:17] never done this on Linux before [02:17] GNU [02:17] whatever [02:17] Afdal: [02:18] if they're available via standard channels in Ubuntu, you want to open the Ubuntu Software Center [02:18] yes.. please wait.. [02:18] I'm running an old Radeon X1600 [02:18] "Settings Manager - section "System" - Software & Updates - tab Additional Drivers." [02:18] !ati [02:18] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [02:18] then go to: Edit > Software Sources [02:18] otherwise, if its "old" it may not support the newer drivers.. [02:18] {:I [02:18] in the "Additional Drivers" tab it may offer something [02:19] ^ thats the easy way.. [02:19] and, it really should be offered, if its available.. [02:19] okay [02:19] thanks :3 [02:20] gonna go give it a try [02:21] twinview [02:21] i want to use twinview [02:21] anyone could tell me how to make it ? [02:22] i use arandr, if the included tool doesnt work.. [02:22] i simply hook up the monitors and hardware, and try implementing the desktop on them.. [02:23] ok... [02:23] thank both of you [02:25] lol.. [02:39] I have about 100 little windows that I need to kill/close, is there any easier way to do this than manually? === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [13:46] I am considering replacing Ubuntu with Xubuntu. I have a small ssd laptop. I use it mostly for writing items which are then sent out on email as .pdf attachments. Can I do this ob Xubuntu starting with the default AbiWord? [14:12] xubuntu35w: AbiWord allows saving as PDF, yes. [14:14] Thanks Krytarik! [14:43] hi. 14.04 on SSD, left the computer for a while, now want to start it, cannot boot. booted live usb stick, sees the disk alright. suspect grub frizzled. UEFI machine, how do I fix that? [14:50] DexterF: well, if its uefi, it would have never worked.. if its a bios setting, and you didnt mess with the bios settings, that is [14:51] DexterF: what is happening when you try and boot? what messages? [15:00] holstein: worked before, says it cannot find a boot dis [15:00] k [15:00] !bootrepair | tried boot repair DexterF ? [15:00] tried boot repair DexterF ?: Boot-Repair is a simple tool to repair frequent boot issues you may encounter in Ubuntu. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair for more info. [15:00] literally wont hurt to confirm that grub is installed ^ [15:01] but, that is leaning toward a problem with the disk, if, it was working fine, and now is not.. that would indicate something has changed.. as in, if you did an upgrade, and "update-grub" didnt work, for some reason, or broke something.. or, the disk is failing.. [15:02] the bios shouldnt be able to randomly change.. but, if you have "left the computer for a while", maybe, there is a proceedure you were doing to select the boot on the machine [15:06] holstein: ok, gotta run, will dissect the error messages tomorrow and check on boot repair. [16:23] I'm stuck with attempting to create a bootable Windows USB on Xubuntu 15.04 currently, no matter what I do, can't find a solution that works. [16:23] UNetbootin no longer allows the choosing of NTFS USB drives, and WinUSB keeps giving errors. [16:42] clippng: partition the usb drive into a fat32 boot area and the rest ntfs [16:42] Just now, I mounted the windows 7 iso and I am just dragging the files into a NTFS formatted usb [16:42] which should work, ya? [16:44] i have no idea [16:44] but ill assume, no [16:49] clippng: no idea what you've tried, what you've read etc but http://onetransistor.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/make-bootable-windows-usb-from-ubuntu.html [18:05] hi there, how can I use dconf in 15.04 ,oultimately set global proxy ? [18:05] i need to set firefox to use proxy, but not configuring firefox in each user of each PC [18:06] neyder: firefox has its own proxy settings [18:06] ah, you dont want to configure ff [18:08] yeah, need global setting, so I can set for new machines and new users in machines [18:09] sudo mousepad /etc/environment ? add http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/ [18:10] amm [18:10] I should try [18:10] but maybe that works just for one computer too? [18:11] its ok, but need to proxy ftp https too, that command it's not enough [18:11] neyder: sure is [18:13] http://i.imgur.com/JYGC8fE.png neyder [18:15] trying! was reading this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man7/dconf.7.html [18:16] i have no idea [18:16] i just used that to configure my global proxy here [18:21] okey tranks! [23:04] hello [23:04] hello [23:04] hey there guys I have some qustions regarding xubuntu