[00:13] <xubuntu04w> Hello everyone
[00:14] <xubuntu04w> I am doing a clean install of xubuntu and need some partitioning help
[00:14] <holstein> sure.. just ask :)
[00:16] <xubuntu04w> What size should the swap be?
[00:16] <xubuntu04w> I have 8gb of physical memory
[00:16] <xubuntu04w> And a 500gb hdd
[00:16] <holstein> well, if you want, you can just let the automatic installing do it..
[00:16] <holstein> if you want to do it yourself, it'll depend on your needs..
[00:17] <xubuntu04w> I'm using the laptop for basic college work
[00:17] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes for exasmple
[00:17] <holstein> sure. so, why not just let the installer do it? automatically?
[00:17] <xubuntu04w> Will be using a lot of office software, doing lots of web browsing, and be using a something like foobar for my music colelction
[00:18] <xubuntu04w> *using something like
[00:18] <holstein> sure.. that'll all work with the automatic partitioning..
[00:18] <knome> if you want to suspend, then swap should be the same size as your RAM
[00:19] <knome> but if you don't care about suspending, then it's a different matter
[00:19] <xubuntu04w> Well, it's not actually a clean install. I should mention that windows was previously installed, so boot manager and some other partitions are still on the machine
[00:19] <knome> but you could just let the installer set that up automatically as holstein suggested
[00:20] <xubuntu04w> Will the automatic set-up delete all partitions and create the minimum amount need just for xubuntu?
[00:20] <knome> there are several automatic options
[00:20] <xubuntu04w> *minimum amount of partitions
[00:20] <holstein> you can read what it will do.. but, you want to have backups before installing any OS, or doing parition management..
[00:20] <holstein> !dualboot
[00:21] <xubuntu04w> I do not want to dual boot. I can manage everything I need for college on xubuntu.
[00:21] <xubuntu04w> I tried it in the past, but didn't like it
[00:21] <holstein> then, you will remove the partitions, with the option in the installer, that removes everthing, and installs xubuntu only on the drive, automatically
[00:21] <knome> xubuntu04w, you can totally select to remove everything
[00:21] <knome> !uefi
[00:22] <xubuntu04w> thanks I'll check that link out
[00:22] <knome> it's good to read before you jump into installing if it's a newer machine
[00:23] <xubuntu04w> Last time I tried doing this the machine booted into "gnu grub" and I had to select a boot option. How do I set it up so that the machine boots directly into xubuntu and that's it.
[00:23] <xubuntu04w> I strictly want xubuntu and to allocate all available space accordingly
[00:23] <knome> grub should do that automatically if you only have one OS
[00:24] <knome> since you have a bigger HDD, i would suggest to create separate partitions for / and /home
[00:24] <xubuntu04w> Ok, the issue seems to be that windows boot manager wasn't deleted. Did I select the wrong automatic download option?
[00:24] <knome> that way you can reinstall easily with keeping your personal files (on /home)
[00:25] <knome> the installer might do that with bigger HDD's automatically, but i'm not sure, it's a long time since i installed xubuntu on a bigger HDD...
[00:26] <xubuntu04w> I think I'm going to do some research and manually partition
[00:27] <knome> read what i said about suspending earlier, in addition to swap (if any), i would say / and /home are enough
[00:27] <xubuntu04w> The only issue is that my knowledge is limited when it comes to partitioning and I need to have the OS installed ASAP for school
[00:27] <xubuntu04w> Alright, and I will be suspending
[00:27] <knome> unless you specifically want to do something else, but usually you don't need to
[00:27] <knome> then you'll want a 8GB swap
[00:27] <holstein> will you? i never suspend
[00:28] <xubuntu04w> Suspending is similar to hibernating, no?
[00:28] <holstein> hibernate.. i never hibernate.. i suppose i suspend all the time..
[00:29] <xubuntu04w> Can you shutdown and save the current session in xubuntu? that would eliminate the need for me to suspend.
[00:29] <xubuntu04w> Since booting is quick
[00:29] <knome> actually i think you only need the swap for hibernating...
[00:29] <knome> xubuntu04w, you can
[00:29] <xubuntu04w> Okay
[00:29] <knome> but that doesn't mean the boot is quick
[00:29] <xubuntu04w> got it
[00:29] <holstein> suspend is what i use.. until i need to reboot for a kernel update
[00:30] <xubuntu04w> So, I'll stick with 8,000 mb of swap
[00:30] <knome> and, hibernating isn't enabled by default on xubuntu for a few reasons
[00:30] <xubuntu04w> I noticed that
[00:30] <xubuntu04w> So, i'm planning to use this model  for my install (the first tutorial): http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[00:31] <knome> 8 Gb = 8192 Mb
[00:31] <xubuntu04w> @knome, thank you
[00:31] <knome> and for /, i'd personally probably allocate 50 GB, which is way overkill, but a safe bet.
[00:32] <xubuntu04w> okay
[00:32] <xubuntu04w> I've read that some people allocate double the space of physical memory for swap, why is this?
[00:32] <knome> that stores all of your applications and system files
[00:33] <knome> i'm sure that's covered in the links holstein dug up from the bot
[00:34] <xubuntu04w> alright, so 50 gigs for / seems to make sense for me, as I have a music collection of 100+ gigs (lots of files). yes?
[00:34] <knome> well since you said you have 500 GB in total, taking 50 GB away from that isn't an issue really
[00:34] <xubuntu04w> Yeah
[00:35] <knome> i'm using 8,7GB on my laptop / atm
[00:35] <xubuntu04w> how big isd you hdd?
[00:35] <knome> it all depends how much software you install
[00:35] <xubuntu04w> *is your
[00:35] <knome> 128GB SSD, my / is 20GB
[00:37] <xubuntu04w> I'll be running libreoffice suite, some lightweight audio tools, gmusicbrowser, two web browsers, skype, vlc, a pdf viewer, and photo viewer
[00:37] <xubuntu04w> That's about it
[00:37] <knome> well as i said, "just to be sure"
[00:37] <knome> 50GB is plenty
[00:37] <xubuntu04w> alright
[00:37] <knome> that also allows you to store other things outside /home at some point if you want to
[00:39] <xubuntu04w> I will also be connecting to the school's server for access to documents on the school computers
[00:39] <xubuntu04w> I'm not sure if that's important to this
[00:40] <knome> nope
[00:40] <xubuntu04w> ok
[00:40] <xubuntu04w> What about running a virtual machine
[00:40] <xubuntu04w> should I take that into consideration when partitioning
[00:40] <knome> the gist is that if you assign 8GB to swap and, say, 42GB to /, then you'd have 450GB for /home, eg. all of your files
[00:40] <knome> for VMs, you can choose the location of the virtualized hard drive
[00:41] <knome> it can be in /home or somewhere else (eg. in the / partition)
[00:41] <xubuntu04w> got it
[00:41] <holstein> could be. if the connection requires a windows application
[00:42] <xubuntu04w> I typed 8192 for swap but it shows up as 1 mb less (8191)
[00:42] <knome> holstein, well for partitioning, the only thing related is the installed size of the app, which is more than likely to fit a 20GB+ / ;)
[00:43] <xubuntu04w> oh, it created a second free space of 1 mb.
[00:43] <xubuntu04w> Why is that?
[00:44] <knome> holstein, have insight on that?
[00:44] <xubuntu04w> The current list shows the following:
[00:45] <xubuntu04w> free space..........1mb
[00:45] <xubuntu04w> dev/sda1 swap................8191mb
[00:45] <xubuntu04w> free space..................491915mb
[00:46] <knome> well free space is free space... eg. nothing
[00:46] <xubuntu04w> okay
[00:47] <knome> i would make sure the swap is at least 8192, so rather make it 8200 than 8191
[00:47] <knome> that is, if you want to hibernate...
[00:47] <knome> that's and educated guess at most, but as i take it, better be safe than to be sorry
[00:48] <xubuntu04w> I found this online, see the first answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/266574/problems-with-partitioning-on-guid-partition-table
[00:49] <knome> yep, i wouldn't exactly worry about the dead space there
[00:49] <knome> unless it was 50% of your capacity :P
[00:50] <xubuntu04w> ok, but should I delete the swap and make it 8193 to account for the 1mb that will be lost to "free space"
[00:50] <xubuntu04w> or 8200 as knome suggests
[00:50] <knome> yes, as i said, better make it a bit bigger than a bit smaller
[00:51] <knome> because as i understand it, if you try to hibernate and the RAM won't fit in the swap, you have a problem...
[00:51] <xubuntu04w> ok
[00:52] <knome> but then i don't use hibernating or suspending, so my guesses are at most educated ones...
[00:52] <knome> ...better than my mum's though
[00:53] <xubuntu04w> I went with 8.5 gigs to be safe
[00:53] <knome> :)
[00:53] <xubuntu04w> 8704mb
[00:54] <knome> if you want nice numbers, you can go for 43GB /
[00:54] <knome> that'll be more than enough too
[01:00] <xubuntu04w> do you reccomend ext4 for / and /home?
[01:00] <xubuntu04w> recommend*
[01:01] <knome> yes
[01:02] <xubuntu04w> thanks
[01:04] <xubuntu04w> I won't be doing this, but can someone give a quick reason as to why someone would create partitions for /boot, /tmp and /var
[01:05] <xubuntu04w> Is it explained in the article from earlier?
[01:05] <knome> i don't know if it's covered, but sometimes people have specific use cases for them
[01:05] <knome> for example, if you run an apache web server, the default location for the served files is outside /home
[01:06] <knome> so you might want to allocate them to a different partition (or HDD)
[01:06] <xubuntu04w> Alright
[01:14] <xubuntu04w> Can someone reccomend a partition manager for xubuntu?
[01:15] <xubuntu04w> Preferably something basic and lightweight
[01:15] <knome> !info gparted
[01:16] <xubuntu04w> thanks
[01:16] <holstein> i have one of those 1mb partitions.. for secure boot
[01:17] <holstein> i didnt put it on the hard drive that i installed. but, i had to mess with the bios settings a bit.. i used automatic partitioning
[01:19] <xubuntu04w> getting the notification that "efi boot partition" is need (at least 35mb in size)
[01:19] <xubuntu04w> *is needed
[01:19] <xubuntu04w> In order to run boot loader code
[01:20] <knome> then create one :)
[01:20] <xubuntu04w> will do
[01:20] <xubuntu04w> But why is that needed
[01:20] <knome> it's a long story, but shortly, because major companies want to make sure "unsafe" OSes aren't ran...
[01:21] <xubuntu04w> ok thanks
[01:22] <xubuntu04w> So choose "reserved for BIOS boot area" under "use as"?
[01:22] <knome> i believe so
[01:23] <knome> the uefi stuff i linked to might confirm that
[01:23] <xubuntu04w> Logical or primary type? also, for location: "beginning of this space" or "end of this space"?
[01:25] <xubuntu04w> I booted in BIOS mode which seems to be the problem
[01:25] <xubuntu04w> Or rather, booted directly from bios
[01:28] <knome> needs to be at the beginning of the drive
[01:28] <knome> and i guess that makes it primary type..
[01:28] <xubuntu04w> cool
[01:36] <holstein> thats the little 1mb partition
[01:36] <holstein> the efi boot partition. but, i worked around that with legacy bios settings, or something
[02:17] <Afdal> hey real quick can someone tell me how to install proprietary drivers for my graphics card?
[02:17] <Afdal> never done this on Linux before
[02:17] <Afdal> GNU
[02:17] <Afdal> whatever
[02:17] <holstein> Afdal:
[02:18] <pleia2> if they're available via standard channels in Ubuntu, you want to open the Ubuntu Software Center
[02:18] <holstein> yes.. please wait..
[02:18] <Afdal> I'm running an old Radeon X1600
[02:18] <holstein> "Settings Manager - section "System" - Software & Updates - tab Additional Drivers."
[02:18] <holstein> !ati
[02:18] <pleia2> then go to: Edit > Software Sources
[02:18] <holstein> otherwise, if its "old" it may not support the newer drivers..
[02:18] <Afdal> {:I
[02:18] <pleia2> in the "Additional Drivers" tab it may offer something
[02:19] <holstein> ^ thats the easy way..
[02:19] <holstein> and, it really should be offered, if its available..
[02:19] <Afdal> okay
[02:19] <Afdal> thanks :3
[02:20] <Afdal> gonna go give it a try
[02:21] <xubuntu36w> twinview
[02:21] <xubuntu36w> i want to use twinview
[02:21] <xubuntu36w> anyone could tell me how to make it ?
[02:22] <holstein> i use arandr, if the included tool doesnt work..
[02:22] <holstein> i simply hook up the monitors and hardware, and try implementing the desktop on them..
[02:23] <xubuntu36w> ok...
[02:23] <xubuntu36w> thank both of you
[02:25] <holstein> lol..
[02:39] <puff> I have about 100 little windows that I need to kill/close, is there any easier way to do this than manually?
[13:46] <xubuntu35w> I am considering replacing Ubuntu with Xubuntu. I have a small ssd laptop. I use it mostly for writing items which are then sent out on email as .pdf attachments. Can I do this ob Xubuntu starting with the default AbiWord?
[14:12] <krytarik> xubuntu35w: AbiWord allows saving as PDF, yes.
[14:14] <xubuntu35w> Thanks Krytarik!
[14:43] <DexterF> hi. 14.04 on SSD, left the computer for a while, now want to start it, cannot boot. booted live usb stick, sees the disk alright. suspect grub frizzled. UEFI machine, how do I fix that?
[14:50] <holstein> DexterF: well, if its uefi, it would have never worked.. if its a bios setting, and you didnt mess with the bios settings, that is
[14:51] <holstein> DexterF: what is happening when you try and boot? what messages?
[15:00] <DexterF> holstein: worked before, says it cannot find a boot dis
[15:00] <DexterF> k
[15:00] <GridCube> !bootrepair | tried boot repair DexterF ?
[15:00] <holstein> literally wont hurt to confirm that grub is installed ^
[15:01] <holstein> but, that is leaning toward a problem with the disk, if, it was working fine, and now is not.. that would indicate something has changed.. as in, if you did an upgrade, and "update-grub" didnt work, for some reason, or broke something.. or, the disk is failing..
[15:02] <holstein> the bios shouldnt be able to randomly change.. but, if you have "left the computer for a while", maybe, there is a proceedure you were doing to select the boot on the machine
[15:06] <DexterF> holstein: ok, gotta run, will dissect the error messages tomorrow and check on boot repair.
[16:23] <clippng> I'm stuck with attempting to create a bootable Windows USB on Xubuntu 15.04 currently, no matter what I do, can't find a solution that works.
[16:23] <clippng> UNetbootin no longer allows the choosing of NTFS USB drives, and WinUSB keeps giving errors.
[16:42] <GridCube> clippng: partition the usb drive into a fat32 boot area and the rest ntfs
[16:42] <clippng> Just now, I mounted the windows 7 iso and I am just dragging the files into a NTFS formatted usb
[16:42] <clippng> which should work, ya?
[16:44] <GridCube> i have no idea
[16:44] <GridCube> but ill assume, no
[16:49] <flocculant> clippng: no idea what you've tried, what you've read etc but http://onetransistor.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/make-bootable-windows-usb-from-ubuntu.html
[18:05] <neyder> hi there, how can I use dconf in 15.04 ,oultimately set global proxy ?
[18:05] <neyder> i need to set firefox to use proxy, but not configuring firefox in each user of each PC
[18:06] <GridCube> neyder: firefox has its own proxy settings
[18:06] <GridCube> ah, you dont want to configure ff
[18:08] <neyder> yeah, need global setting, so I can set for new machines and new users in machines
[18:09] <GridCube> sudo mousepad /etc/environment ? add http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/
[18:10] <neyder> amm
[18:10] <neyder> I should try
[18:10] <GridCube> but maybe that works just for one computer too?
[18:11] <neyder> its ok, but need to proxy ftp https too, that command it's not enough
[18:11] <GridCube> neyder: sure is
[18:13] <GridCube> http://i.imgur.com/JYGC8fE.png neyder
[18:15] <neyder> trying! was reading this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man7/dconf.7.html
[18:16] <GridCube> i have no idea
[18:16] <GridCube> i just used that to configure my global proxy here
[18:21] <neyder> okey tranks!
[23:04] <lildudespider> hello
[23:04] <knome> hello
[23:04] <lildudespider> hey there guys I have some qustions regarding xubuntu