[08:08] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:10] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:10] <bashrc> g'day
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wonderful Weirdos Day! 😝
[08:30]  * zmoylan-pi waves at weirdos day :-D o/
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> and why hasn't there been an os called weird?! :-)
[08:35] <JamesTait> Back in Uni, when I was working on a MUD in my spare time, I started building a framework around the DGD kernel library that I dubbed WyrdOS.
[08:36] <JamesTait> I probably still have some code somewhere.
[08:36] <JamesTait> Though I doubt it would run on today's servers without significant changes.
[08:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: We have a whole day \o/
[08:40] <JamesTait> davmor2, *every* day should be wonderful weirdos day. 😉
[08:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: much better name for Wily too ;)
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> meh you can run an emulator on a rasp pi now :-)
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:36] <Myrtti> :-D https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GoogleUK/posts/Kv2MVe6S1QF
[10:10] <Myrtti> I'm so excited, going to get a RasPi display for my knitting machine kit :-D
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the output of the knitting machine the display? :-)
[10:23] <Myrtti> nah. My knitting machine is controlled by an Arduino board, which requires the computer holding the pattern and doing the actual instructions to be either on all the time, or for the person doing the knitting make notes on where they're at. I figured it's easier to move that part to a RasPi than to either attempt (and fail) to keep a tally on what's the progress, or to keep the laptop on, conn---
[10:23] <Myrtti> ected to the Arduino, for days.
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> use a rasp pi and just ssh in when you need to from your phone for maximum geekiness :-)
[10:25] <Myrtti> sadly the knitting pattern stuff is quite visual
[10:26] <Myrtti> so SSH won't really do
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> vnc it is :-)
[10:39] <awilkins> ASCII ART
[10:39] <awilkins> Make an ncurses knitting pattern UI
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> using ansi for colours
[10:40]  * awilkins just got a new RPi2 for the weekend NHS Hack Day
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> nhs and hack... 2 words you don't normally want to see together...
[10:40] <awilkins> Hack in the old fashioned sense
[10:41] <awilkins> Not the press-hysteria sense
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> yeah that's what worries me... :-)
[10:41] <awilkins> Hahahaha
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> when the worlds fastest amputation had a 300% mortality rate
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> it was a different time... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Liston#Liston.27s_most_famous_cases
[10:47] <awilkins> Holy crap
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> and he was a great surgeon!
[10:48] <awilkins> Great surgeons often are complete bumholes....
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> it's part of the mentality required for the job i think
[10:58] <awilkins> czajkowski, You seen this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fbz/knityak-custom-mathematical-knit-scarves
[11:03] <Myrtti> ooh, double jacquard instructions
[11:03] <Myrtti> excellent
[11:06] <czajkowski> awilkins: ah interesting - I'm not the knitter on here though
[11:06] <awilkins> Doh
[11:06] <awilkins> Sorry. I obviously meant Myrtti.
[11:06] <czajkowski> awilkins: Myrtti is :)
[11:07] <Myrtti> yeah, I knew about it before she even started the Kickstarter
[11:07] <Myrtti> as she had published the pattern just before
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> czajkowski would never have time to knit, unless they started allowing knitting needles on planes again
[11:07] <Myrtti> but they do allow knitting needles on planes
[11:07] <Myrtti> non-metallic ones.
[11:08] <Myrtti> I just don't bother
[11:08] <awilkins> Was going to say, if they don't allow carbon fibre go-faster knitting needles on planes I don't wanna fly
[11:09] <awilkins> (I don't want to anyway. Flying is fun, security theatre is awful.)
[11:09] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: wedding planning, house renovations nad work are keeping me very busy :)
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> would you have it any other way? :-)
[12:45] <foobarry> http://www.google.com/patents/US6233389
[12:45] <foobarry> there is a patent for the ability to record a programme while watching another :|
[12:46] <Myrtti> "Original Assignee Tivo Inc."
[12:47] <foobarry> tivo suck
[12:47] <foobarry> http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/tivo-sues-samsung
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> isn't that what ever vcr has done since the 60s?
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> *every
[12:49] <foobarry> not record and play at same time
[12:49] <foobarry> also a patent for smooth presentation of images during fast search. not the algorithm but the concept :-|
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> they'd patent watching a fly crawl up the wall if they could
[12:51] <foobarry> americans would grant it
[12:51] <foobarry> and let someone else deal with the fallout
[12:52] <foobarry> which is the reason my dock doesn't zoom when i move the mouse over it
[12:53] <Myrtti> our mail ninja hasn't gone past us on his rounds yet and I'm hungry. If I go nuke a soup for myself, the mail ninja will strike and leave a "Couldn't fit this through your mailbox, neener neener" note
[12:54] <Myrtti> oh the frustration
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> superglue on the letter box
[12:54] <foobarry> are you camping by the window like a dog?
[12:55] <Myrtti> no, just in the lounge
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> camping like a dog is as nothing to watching like a cat
[12:55] <foobarry> i wonder if the reason many popular PVR don't do 30/60/180s skip is due to pressure from advertisers or because of a fake patent?
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> i seem to remember a few pvrs had the ability to skip ads removed or limited
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> more likely just took cash from the cable companies
[12:56] <foobarry> ah maybe its just sky and vbox
[12:56] <foobarry> youview are planning it
[12:57] <foobarry> oh that was 3yrs ago, they should have it
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> fox targeted dish to remove autohop feature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Broadcasting_Co._v._Dish_Network,_LLC
[13:03] <foobarry> and lost
[16:04] <awilkins> MythTV has autoskip
[16:05] <awilkins> I believe it uses a number of algorithms like detecting the sudden absence of channel logos and black keyframes 30s apart
[16:52] <Azelphur> http://i.imgur.com/MehAyNA.png yay for documenting my ISPs failure to provide decent connection speeds over the course of a month
[16:55] <diddledan> Azelphur: how did you do that? (I like the idea but don't know how do do such a thing)
[16:55] <Azelphur> I wrote a little script using speedtest-cli that generates CSVs and brought them into openoffice, I test every hour.
[16:55] <diddledan> nice
[16:56] <diddledan> you image shows a lot of fluctuation :-)
[16:56] <diddledan> hopefully your isp will buckle :-p
[16:56] <Azelphur> Indeed it does, those 3mbit drops are what caused me to start documenting it
[16:56] <Azelphur> I know what's wrong, it's their corporate policy
[16:57] <diddledan> over provisioning?
[16:57] <Azelphur> I've had the engineers tell me about it, their policy is Step 1) Pile users onto node, Step 2) Wait until users complain, Step 3) Discuss the fact that users are complaining at monthly review, Step 4) Set up new node
[16:57] <diddledan> that's shocking
[16:57] <popey> Azelphur: got the script handy?
[16:58] <popey> I'd like to run that on my server at home
[16:58] <diddledan> pop it on github ;-)
[16:59] <popey> i was just about to do the same thing with speedtest-cli --simple
[16:59] <Azelphur> it's really ugly/hacky, but here you go http://pastebin.com/C06z28UX
[16:59] <Azelphur> Maybe I'll tidy it up, seems a few people want something that doesn't suck
[16:59] <Azelphur> popey: that's exactly what I've done
[17:00] <popey> thanks
[17:01] <Azelphur> but yea, can certainly see my ISP is consistently failing to provide above the fault range
[17:02] <Azelphur> I have 25 tests in the past month, all of which fall below 20mbit
[17:05] <popey> and you can be sure you're not doing anything else at the same time?
[17:05] <popey> because obviously, that will affect the speedtests
[17:06] <Azelphur> popey: no I can't
[17:06] <Azelphur> that's the downside
[17:08] <davmor2> popey: there is an api for speedof.me too apparently
[17:09] <Azelphur> popey: somehow I doubt it though, because I have a lot of speedtest fails at times when I'd be asleep
[17:09] <popey> no torrents or owt?
[17:09] <Azelphur> yea torrents are running
[17:10] <popey> so surely that's going to affect it
[17:11] <Azelphur> perhaps, but as I say I've seen these issues ruining my connection before, and checked at the router level
[17:11] <Azelphur> I might rewrite this to talk to my AsusWRT router and collect data direct from the router - that way I know exactly what is going in/out and can get accurate metrics even while the connection is in use
[17:11] <popey> where is the torrent running?
[17:12] <davmor2> Azelphur: which provider are you with?
[17:12] <popey> I use vnstat to show what traffic I'm using
[17:12] <Azelphur> davmor2: enta.net
[17:12] <Azelphur> popey: on the same box, in a vm
[17:12] <davmor2> Azelphur: do they cap at peak times?
[17:12] <popey> perfect, so install vnstat
[17:12] <Azelphur> shouldn't do
[17:12] <popey> and it will graph the traffic on the box for you
[17:12] <Azelphur> popey: attacking it at the router level is still the best bet :)
[17:13] <popey> maybe
[17:13] <popey> vnstat gives you nice stuff like this for free http://popey.com/bandwidth/
[17:14] <Azelphur> I know, but only for traffic you are using
[17:14] <Azelphur> for line tests you need a short period result
[17:14] <Azelphur> I did some more interesting stuff though, and grouped failures (failure is deemed <20mbit) by time, https://dpaste.de/Qh3Z
[17:16] <popey> no, not the point I was making
[17:16] <popey> the point I'm making is you can see from the graph what traffic you're using at the same time as your tests
[17:16] <popey> so you can eliminate that
[17:16] <Azelphur> ah I see
[17:18] <Azelphur> That's fairly conclusive that the connection is shit between 9am-3pm really, that's 76 fails, 39 of them (51%) occurred in that time period
[17:18] <Azelphur> I'll have to get into the router I think for my next thing, and collect data at that level
[17:32] <diddledan> apple have a new product: the pencil
[17:36] <diddledan> oh yey. microsoft are at the apple event
[17:44] <popey> care--
[17:44] <popey> :)
[17:44] <diddledan> you should swap that with --care so that care gets reduced before you assign it
[17:53] <daftykins> i return!
[17:54] <daftykins> Wales is quite pretty in places
[17:54] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sjjjxtq1hy45x0m/IMG_20150906_174622.jpg?dl=0
[17:54] <daftykins> managed to keep the damage to a minimum this time :)
[17:54] <diddledan> function daftykins() { return "present"; }
[17:55] <diddledan> apple tv time
[17:55] <diddledan> I wonder if it's still a hobby
[17:56] <diddledan> "The future of tv is apps"
[17:56] <daftykins> "we're going to start working with Kodi on AirPlay"
[17:56] <daftykins> lawl++
[18:12] <diddledan> why hasn't the developer of crossy road been sued by the people who made frogger back in the 80s?
[18:15] <daftykins> i had partly expected that to crop up
[18:27] <diddledan> brr. I'm chilly
[18:28] <daftykins> a few creatures from Wales looked like they could keep you warm ;)
[18:28] <diddledan> sheeps
[18:29] <diddledan> "the most advanced smartphones in the world"?!
[18:35] <diddledan> 3d touch? how is my mum going to understand the difference between touching and touching?
[18:37] <daftykins> why does that generation matter? :)
[18:58] <diddledan> apple make an android app now. one that will helpfully move your android stuff onto an iphone
[18:59] <diddledan> (I'm trolling here, I think it's a bit silly myself)
[19:00] <diddledan> I mean googley have many apps on ios but apple have one on android
[19:00] <diddledan> and that one's goal is to get you off android
[19:01] <diddledan> eh? what's the difference between getting an iphone on a contract vs getting one on an installment plan?
[19:11] <ali1234> diddledan: because konami are too busy milking metal gear...
[19:21] <daftykins> i forgot that was aout
[19:21] <daftykins> *out
[19:37] <ali1234> what's the easiest way to get a containerized LAMP set up on ubuntu?
[21:44] <diddledan> speaking of konami - they should have patented the konami code :-p
[22:02] <Azelphur> popey: I'm building v2, I have realtime (1ms accuracy) bandwidth coming out of my AsusWRT router :)
[22:04] <popey> heh
[22:08] <diddledan> ooh. the iana have specified .onion as a special-use domain
[22:12] <diddledan> https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-over-tor/the-onion-special-use-domain-name/762325423874180
[22:16] <Azelphur> popey:  while torrenting, https://dpaste.de/tWr2then while not torrenting, pretty cool :)
[22:16] <Azelphur> do you have AsusWRT?
[22:23] <popey> no
[22:23] <Azelphur> :( shame
[22:37] <diddledan> what's the difference between asuswrt and other wrts?
[23:15] <m0nkey_> asuswrt is built on dd-wrt i believe
[23:16] <m0nkey_> diddledan, i like the way that facebook actually took apart the Tor protocol to figure out how to get the .onion domain with the word facebook