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barrydkMorning everyone06:17
dlPhreakMorning barrydk 06:25
thatgraemeguymornings06:37
dlPhreakHi thatgraemeguy 06:42
CryterionMorning07:52
Kilosoh my superfly 08:55
Kilosapply for the free one man08:56
Kilosmorning all08:58
Kilosthat includes thatgraemeguy 08:59
Kilosand inetpro and everyone else too08:59
inetproohi oom Kilos and wb09:00
Kilosty sir09:00
inetprohmm... and good mornings to anyone else as well09:00
inetproanyone and everyone*09:00
Kiloslol09:01
thatgraemeguy'lo09:06
SquirmMorning all09:16
Kiloshi Squirm 09:17
Kilosand mazal barrydk Cryterion GnikLlort stucomplex  and lurkers09:18
GnikLlortGood morning :)09:20
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superflyKilos: that's what I want to do, but I can't find the page anymore12:17
SquirmMaaz: tell kulelu88 That the Ubuntu phone, spec wise, besides the difference in camera, is quite similar to the galaxy s3 which will retail at about R3'000/R3'50013:08
MaazSquirm: Sure, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode13:08
Kilosok superfly ill try fing it13:08
superflyKilos: that page with the contact form that you filled in13:12
Kiloshttps://forms.canonical.com/cda/13:12
Kilosthat one13:12
Kilosill confirm tonight when svetlana comes online13:13
Kilosoh no13:14
Kiloselizabeth13:14
Kilossuperfly  http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/13:19
superflythanks Kilos!13:21
Kilosyw sir13:22
Kilosalso maybe popeye can ask more if needed on locoteams13:22
superflyKilos: so basically, the answer is no13:51
Kiloshe is a difficult customer13:52
Kilosi ahd to aggue back and forth for weeks to get the extra membeship timeslot added13:53
Kilosapply man13:53
Kilosand see irf there is a place to add your wiki page13:54
Kilosdont just give up easy, fight for what you want13:55
grembleGood evening16:43
grembleI'm so bleak. The HDD in my desktop caught fire this afternoon.16:43
grembleThere was a short in the SATA power connector and the entire thing caught fire16:43
gremble:<16:44
SquirmEvening16:48
SquirmOh dear16:48
SquirmI've only seen that with a SATA cd rom16:48
Kilosouch17:17
Kilosthat sucks gremble 17:17
spinzagremble: had that the other day17:24
spinzai was watching the pc so caught it in time17:25
spinzapc survived for me17:26
spinzalooking for the power connector still17:27
spinzamine is a strange one that powers both hd, and the cd rom17:29
spinzalike in this image on the left: http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2010/January/Reviews/ASRock_Ion330HT/asrock_ion330ht-bd_accessories_big.png17:29
gremblespinza: I was also here, so I caught it in time. It is just the power connector and the HDD that is dead17:52
grembleBut I only have one HDD17:53
grembleSo my PC is out of commission at present 17:53
gremble:/17:53
LangjanHi Kilos and all the young geeks 18:05
Kiloshi Langjan 18:05
Langjanhoe gaan dit Kilos 18:05
Kiloswhats broken18:05
Kiloshehe18:05
Kilosgoed dankie en self18:06
Langjanlmga, I seem to have a reputation to uphold18:06
Kiloshahaha18:06
Langjanook goed dankie18:06
Langjanlet me see what I can break quickly...18:06
Langjanhmmmm,...18:06
Kiloslol18:07
Kilosnee man18:07
Kiloste moeg om te dink18:07
Langjanwell you should do what yu're good at and thats what I'm good at 18:07
Kilosto what do we owe the honour of this visit18:07
Kilosim getting good at sleeping lately18:08
LangjanI miss you guys so am thinking of breaking something so I can come visit18:08
LangjanThats great, you sleeping well?18:08
Kilosno man you welcome asnytime and all the time18:08
Kilostoo well, half of everyday as well18:08
Kilossigh18:09
LangjanSleeping too much?  18:09
Kilosya i think its the pills they gave me for prostate18:09
Kilosbut thats  not hassling anymore so some good is coming from them18:10
Langjaneina, I'm allergic to pills18:10
Langjanexcept the food-type18:10
Kilosall your 14.04 converts happy18:10
Kilos?18:10
Langjanyes thks, getting used to the great new world of Linux18:11
LangjanLinda's adsl is online, shes very happy with the good connection18:12
Kilosgreat18:12
Kilosget them to promote ubuntu further18:12
Kiloslike kids and grandkids18:12
LangjanSo how is you power generator plan coming together?18:12
LangjanYes hopefully will happen 18:13
Kiloseish im waiting for ian to bring the stuff still18:13
Kilosand who knows when that could be18:13
LangjanLindas son-in-law Googled Ubuntu when he heard of the chaos I'm organizing for his mom, was quite impressed18:14
Kilosbut with no shedding i havent even thought about it to be honest18:14
Kilosgood18:14
Kilosa helpfull community makes all the difference18:15
Kilosnot easy to switch to linux18:15
LangjanAbsolutely. Oh there is one thing you could help with 18:15
spinzagremble: i haven't booted mine yet18:15
Kiloswhat Langjan 18:15
spinzaany ideas for that power connector?  not sure where to find it18:15
LangjanLindas lappie keeps re-activating her touchpad when she restarts, I have Googled for some solutions but have not found any way to disable permanently18:17
Kilosfirst time ive seen one like that spinza 18:17
Kiloshmm...18:17
LangjanNot serious, just nuisnace value18:18
Langjannuisance18:18
Kilosmy kde enables it as soon as i plud the mouse in18:18
Kilostyr unplugging and replugging mouse18:18
Kilosai! try18:18
Langjanyou mean disables it? sounds good, viva kde18:18
Kilosboth ways18:19
Langjanok18:19
Langjangood stuff18:19
Kilosif you look in those settings look for a button that sayd make default18:19
LangjanShe will kill me if she has to learn another new system18:19
Kiloslol18:19
Langjandont think its there but will have a look18:20
Kilosor boot up without mouse then plug mouse in and see if it enables automatically18:20
Langjanok will try but I don't think so, Ubuntu must wake up18:21
Kilosdid you look here18:22
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/530937/how-can-i-disable-touchpad-while-typing-in-ubuntu-14-0418:22
LangjanNo, looks good, thks18:23
Kilosand here18:23
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/533266/how-to-disable-notebooks-touchpad-on-usb-mouse-connect-and-slower-the-last18:23
Kilosif none of that works ask the clever guys18:25
LangjanOK thks,you Google better than me18:26
Kilosi use the bot18:27
Langjanin your sleep...18:27
Langjanwhats the bot?18:27
KilosMaaz  google How To Auto-Disable The Touchpad When The Mouse Is Plugged In on 14.0418:27
MaazKilos: "How To Auto-Disable The Touchpad When The Mouse Is Plugged In ..." https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-auto-disable-the-touchpad-when-the-mouse-is-plugged-in-fedora-13 :: "14.04 - How to disable notebook's touchpad on USB mouse connect ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/533266/how-to-disable-notebooks-touchpad-on-usb-mouse-connect-and-slower-the-last :: "How18:27
MaazTo Automatically Disable Touchpad While Typing On Ubuntu ..." http://www.unixmen.com/aut…18:27
Kilosi pm the bot and ask there18:27
grembleWhy not type it into google?18:28
Langjanpm?18:28
Kilosthen no one sees how much help i need still18:28
Kilosill pm you18:28
Kilosprivate message18:28
Kiloslook on your left18:29
Langjanoh...learning - but sloooowly18:29
Kilosnp18:29
Langjannp?18:29
Langjanok18:29
Kilosno problemo18:29
KilosMaaz  np18:29
MaazKilos: np is de nada18:29
Langjanhow do you get there?18:29
Kiloson your right you find the bots name and right click it18:30
Kilossome say open query other say something else18:30
grembleOr you can say /query Maaz <insert your message here without the angled brackets>18:30
Kilosoh ya buts more to remember18:31
Langjanno bot there18:31
Kilosman you must live here18:31
Kilosor on my channel18:31
Kilos  ##kilos18:31
grembleIts called Maaz Langjan. So right click that name and send it a query18:31
LangjanIs Maaz not a person?18:32
grembleno18:32
Kilosno its a robot18:32
Langjanhow was I supposed to know that?18:32
gremble:p18:33
grembleWe just told you18:33
Kilossmell18:33
grembleMaaz tell Langjan that you love him18:33
Maazgremble: Okay, I'll tell Langjan on freenode18:33
Kiloshaha18:33
LangjanLesson #1 after 3 years, when does #2 come?18:33
MaazLangjan: By the way, gremble on freenode told me "tell Langjan that you love him" 21 seconds ago18:33
KilosLangjan  have you never seen us order cyber coffee18:34
Kilosas in18:34
Kilosmaaz coffee on18:34
* Maaz starts grinding coffee18:34
LangjanMaaz, dance for me18:35
MaazLangjan: Excuse me?18:35
Kiloshaha18:35
LangjanIts a he robot18:35
Kilosya18:35
Langjancan't dance18:35
KilosMaaz  are you male18:35
MaazNo. Us Bots are above that human failing18:35
Langjanso what else can you ask a robot? 18:36
Langjanand why the bot handle?18:36
grembleMaaz what can you do?18:36
Maazgremble: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.18:36
MaazAsk me "help me with ..." for more details.18:36
Kiloswell he records our meetings etc18:36
LangjanVery interesting...18:36
Langjanintriguing18:36
Langjanwish I had bots when I was a young turk18:37
Kiloslol18:37
Langjandid'nt even have comuters18:37
Kilosya 18:37
Langjancomputers18:37
Langjanbut survived18:38
Langjanand thrived18:38
Langjanand got in the sun and caught fish18:38
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!18:38
Kilosyes less technology was easier18:38
KilosMaaz  danke18:38
MaazBitteschön18:38
Langjanin some ways only18:38
Langjanlekker...18:38
Kilossame as cell phones18:39
Kilosno one could bother you if you werent at home18:39
LangjanNow I'll let my bot make me some coffee....hey Juanita, COFFEE!18:39
Kiloshahaha18:39
LangjanWorks every time18:40
Kilosya but your kind cost more to maintain18:40
LangjanI thought Maaz  was your irc chairman18:41
Kiloslol18:41
Langjannee man, dis 'n bargain18:41
Kiloswhen i first came here i even tried to chat to him18:41
LangjanI'm sure I did the same18:41
inetprogood mornings 18:42
Kilosim sure everyone cracked up at me18:42
Kiloshi inetpro 18:42
Langjanhi inetpro 18:42
inetprooops, is evening already? 18:42
Kiloslol18:42
Langjanyou travelling inetpro ?18:42
LangjanWatching tennis in USA?18:43
Kilosyou must drink something not as strong or smoke tobacco rather than weed18:43
inetpronope, was just another long and busy day 18:43
LangjanWaar werk jy?18:43
grembleWeed's better for your lungs :p18:43
Kiloslol18:43
inetpronormally busy days are short but some of them... 18:43
Langjaninetpro, waar werk jy?18:44
inetproLangjan: I work as a SysAdmin jack of all trades in Hatfield 18:45
inetproMaster of None 18:46
LangjanMaster of your trade for sure18:46
Kiloshe even fixes windows pcs18:46
inetproeish! 18:46
Kiloslol18:46
Langjanthere you go!18:46
LangjanOK guys I've wasted enough of your valuable time, will love and leave you18:47
* inetpro knows only about glass windows 18:47
Kilosty for the visit Langjan 18:47
Langjanlmga18:47
Langjanonly my pleasure, always feel welcome here18:48
Kilosek hou daarvan om hom te terg18:48
LangjanOK slaap lekker, hoop nie te veel nie...18:48
Kilosdankie oom en jy ook18:48
inetpronag oom18:48
LangjanDankie Kilos  18:49
Langjan'night inetpro 18:49
Kilosnight all. sleep tight18:52
inetprogood night oom 18:52
kulelu88yo Squirm 18:53
SquirmNight Kilos18:53
Kilosoh gremble i use the bot to google because you get 4 top links not 50018:53
kulelu88that's not bad spec wise. The ubuntu phone should be around R3000 from Euro conversion18:53
Kilosyou learn that from sukkeling for data18:53
SquirmNot quite19:39
SquirmMaaz: 3000 ZAR to EUR19:39
MaazSquirm: What?19:39
SquirmMaaz: google 3000 ZAR to EUR19:39
MaazSquirm: "3000 ZAR EUR - Currency Converter" http://www.currencyconverterrate.com/zar/3000-zar-to-eur.html :: "3000 ZAR GBP - Currency Converter" http://www.currencyconverterrate.com/zar/3000-zar-to-gbp.html :: "3000 ZAR to EUR - LikeForex.com" http://www.likeforex.com/currency-converter/south-african-rand-zar_eur-euro.htm/3000 :: "XE.com - ZAR/GBP Chart"19:39
Maazhttp://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=ZAR&to=GBP :: "Euro to Rand - EUR to ZAR exchange rate - Fin…19:39
SquirmHmm19:40
SquirmI suppose you're right :D19:41
SquirmNight all19:41
gremblehey kulelu88 19:45
kulelu88yo my man gremble 19:45
gremblekulelu88: howre you?20:02
kulelu88all good gremble and you?20:03
grembleI'm pretty good thank you20:05
grembleBesides for the fact that my computer caught fire20:05
kulelu88how?20:06
grembleShort on the SATA power connector to my HDD20:06
grembleDunno what happened, but there was fire and my HDD is dead for all intents and purposes20:07
kulelu88you here on mobile?20:08
grembleNo. My laptop20:08
kulelu88darn, I hope the HDD had a backup20:10
grembleMy data is backed up. But I don't have another HDD to install haha20:11
grembleSo right now I have a large ornament on my desk :P20:11
kulelu88dual-screen your laptop then20:12
grembleYa, I'll probably do that over the weekend20:12
kulelu88hows the haskell coming along?20:16
grembleSlow hey. It makes me feel like I don't know how to program20:18
gremble(which I guess I probably don't then XD)20:18
kulelu88I'm going to tinker with a new language today/tomorrow (I hope)20:18
grembleOh? What are you planning on playing with?20:19
kulelu88gremble: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Genie#More_Resources20:21
kulelu88Python at the lower level haha :D20:23
grembleThe syntax looks terrifying xD20:24
grembleOh no, that was just bad examples20:25
grembleIt looks fine20:25
kulelu88it looks beautiful :D 20:25
grembleThis isn't bad. What do you want to use it for?20:25
kulelu88gremble: I want to see if I can build small web apps with it or at the very least, try to run a few computations to compare against cython20:27
kulelu88want to work with me on it? gremble . We can use koding.com :D20:29
grembleDon't you have to pay to share a VM?20:30
grembleBut sure, we can play20:30
kulelu88We just need a place to share code or code simultaneously. Imagine being able to use those powerful GNU libs to do file wrangling20:31
kulelu88I found a use for it gremble :D 20:32
kulelu88my docker project hahaha 20:33
grembleHaha. Isn't that a data analysis thing?20:33
grembleSo wouldn't a play language for that be something like Julia?20:33
kulelu88gremble: noo. my docker project is something else, related to image management20:34
grembleAh20:34
kulelu88it would be nice to have people ask: So what did you write this in. and you'll be like "this weird language only 10 other people know about :tearface: :D"20:36
kulelu88and then you be like "fekk Golang (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻"20:37
grembleHahaha "Rust"20:38
grembleor D for that matter20:38
kulelu88gremble: I am trying to buy into 1 of those languages, I even tried #nim , but none of them are beautiful like Python20:45
kulelu88in 2015, syntax should be as close to pseudo-code as possible. Guido didn't fail there20:45
grembleAbstraction such as that has both good and bad bits. It depends on what you want to focus on with the programming language20:47
grembleLuckily we are allowed to use languages as tools, as needed :P20:47
kulelu88gremble: Would you rather be reading PHP syntax? haha20:48
gremblePHP is a lot like C. So reading it is fine. Understand what the fuck that shit does, that is a completely different ballgame. And that is because of the abstraction. Obfuscates what its doing.20:49
grembleAbstraction should not obfuscate20:49
grembleI just realised that my irssi is not aligning my messages anymore -_-20:51
grembleThis is weird20:51
kulelu88hahaha20:51
gremblelame. now I have to fix it20:51
kulelu88after that language, we can try Elixir gremble :D20:57
grembleI have. I rate Elm would be more interesting20:58
kulelu88We can start a blog called "syntax fail" and see if we can code normal shit up just by looking at syntax basics and then blast the languages for being shit haha20:58
grembleHahaha what is "normal shit"?21:00
kulelu88I was thinking of some type of standard set of programs. Maybe a command-like calculator? 21:02
grembleAlright. Hello world, then calculator, reading in a file, printing to a file.. what else?21:03
grembleProbably something that is flow-control specific21:03
kulelu88I know, out-of-box support for speaking to sqlite/nosql21:04
grembleThat's quite the expectation haha21:05
kulelu88Doesn't it piss you off when a language makes 100 promises and then you find out that you have to write your own lib to talk to postgres? 21:05
grembleI've never had the urge to talk to postgres21:09
grembleI've only ever spent time trying to code various interpreters/compilers21:10
gremblebecause coding is a hobby, and that is all that I find interesting21:10
gremble:<21:10
kulelu88loool21:10
kulelu88hopefully we do code something21:11
grembleYes, Then you can teach me21:14
gremble:D21:14
kulelu88lol, I don't even OOP man hahaha. I'd much rather you teach me functional coding21:14
grembleThen we should start with something dirty like Elixir or lisp. Because I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around pure functional programming21:17
mekissHey Guys21:18
kulelu88yo mekiss 21:18
mekissHowzit Kulelu8821:18
kulelu88I say we go Elixir and Phoenix then. Performant parallel web app serving an API21:18
kulelu88lekker and you?21:19
mekissgreat, thanks. 21:19
kulelu88you new here? mekiss 21:19
grembleHey mekiss 21:20
mekissYes I am, I joined about a month ago... Hi gremble. 21:20
kulelu88gremble: after we build the API, we can then launch our startup based on said API :D21:21
grembleThen we sell it to google and become millionaires, right?21:23
grembleWe then invest said millions in tesla, and then we don't have to work ever again21:24
kulelu88yes yes, sell to google/facebook21:24
kulelu88i'm leaning more to facebook cause they pay stupid money21:24
grembleAre we about to have our first founders dispute? :D21:25
kulelu88hahahahahaha21:25
kulelu88then we can tell stories of how we founded our internet company on the internet garage = IRC21:26
grembleExactly21:29
kulelu88gremble: down to serious business now. Important issue number 1: macbooks or thinkpads?21:29
gremblethinkpads21:29
kulelu88<321:29
grembleso that Lenovo can see how awesome we are21:29
gremble(with their spyware rootkits)21:29
kulelu88hek, we can impress the chinese, and then convince naspers we are the next alibaba21:29
grembleBut yes, I like thinkpads because they're easier to get linux on than the macbooks21:30
kulelu88I really wanted a System76, but it was out of budget back then21:31
grembleI'm getting some money loose now, so I thought I would look at getting a thinkpad (I really need a new laptop, This thing is from 2009 with an 80GB hdd and 2GB ram) but they're so damn expensive21:32
gremble:/21:32
kulelu88whats your budget? I picked up a bargain21:34
grembleOh, it went from R15k to like R3 I think. I need to buy tyres and shit like that now as well21:35
grembleR3k21:35
grembleSo I've stopped looking21:35
grembleNow I just need to buy a HDD and perhaps pick up some new ram for my desktop21:36
kulelu88you will only find celerons at that rate, and with R14: $1, they'll just bump prices up for all electronics21:36
grembleYa. I'll just have to deal with what I have. 21:37
grembleMy main gripe is that this laptop has zero portability21:37
grembleIt lasts like 20 min on battery 21:37
grembleSo it is an underpowered desktop :<21:38
kulelu88the laptop battery issue is universal21:38
grembleThey keyboard is much nicer than the one I have for the desktop though. So for programming this is fine21:38
kulelu88hows studies going? you should be thick in semester tests now21:41
grembleNope21:43
grembleThe new quater started today21:43
grembleSo I will start writing in the next two weeks21:43
kulelu88aah spring break <321:43
grembleJust got all my tests back from the last bout of semester tests21:43
grembleGot the distinctions that I wanted, so it wasn't too bad21:44
grembleBleh. that break is in October 21:44
gremble2 - 12 oct21:44
kulelu88just in time for 19-21 year old females to start dressing appropriately for summer ;)21:44
grembleI'm fairly sure all of them dress appropriately for summer21:47
gremble:P21:47
grembleOr do you not like postgrads?21:47
gremblexD21:47
kulelu88once you leave, you'll never see such dressing ever again21:47
kulelu88women become concious of themselves when 21 goes to 35 and the body parts no longer look that good :D21:48
grembleHahaha21:54
kulelu88we're all still waiting on you to arrange a tuksLUG21:55
grembleBitch please. I've done that already21:56
gremblewe're a mailinglist at present21:56
kulelu88hahahaha21:56
grembleIt is Me, inetpro and one other person already21:56
grembleIt's a schlep to get the youth to get on board though21:56
kulelu88I can see I'll have to be the marketing oke for the million dollar startup haha21:56
grembleSince they don't know mailinglists or IRC21:57
gremblethey just know their facebook21:57
grembleand twatter21:57
kulelu88twatster.com ? 21:57
kulelu88starts getting startup jingles for twatster.com21:58
grembletwatstergrambook.org21:58
kulelu88eeuuw .org . We are webscale, we only use .io or .co21:59
gremblewhat is webscale?21:59
gremble.io's are expensive21:59
gremblehaha21:59
kulelu88when you use node.js you webscale21:59
grembleI like .xyz because its cheap :P21:59
kulelu88how much is .xyz?21:59
grembleI think I payed like $8 or $1 I cannot remember22:00
kulelu88gremble: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs22:00
grembleRofl22:05
grembledude22:24
grembledude22:24
gremblevim has a function built-in22:24
gremble:TOhtml22:24
gremblethat converts your code into a stylized HTML22:25
gremble:D22:25
superflyInvestigate the rot13 encoding in Python22:32
superflyGood night (for reals) 22:32
gremblehttps://breakingcode.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/quickpost-hiding-your-python-source-with-rot13/ Like this?22:36
grembleI'm going to bounce. Cheers guys22:37

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