=== maclin1 is now known as maclin [04:58] Good morning [05:06] good morning [05:06] bonjour didrocks ! [05:08] bonjour pitti, comment ça va ? [05:08] didrocks: c,a va bien ! [05:09] eh -- mon cle' de compose e'st casse' ! [05:09] happens once in every blue moon [05:09] c'est l'heure de passer en azerty ! [05:10] jamais ! [05:10] ne jamais dire jamais :p [05:11] ah, changer la configuration du clavier et retour l'arrange [05:12] bizarre, comme si la configuration changeait toute seule [06:34] good morning! [06:37] hey larsu! [06:37] hey larsu [06:38] hi pitti and didrocks! How are you? [06:38] larsu: quite well, thanks! [06:38] * larsu convinced half the systemd team to join telegram yesterday :) [06:38] larsu: Good thanks! Fighting with different behavior of pep8 through releases though :/ [06:38] didrocks: uh oh. good luck! [06:38] larsu: how are you? [06:38] pitti: awesome. Eating tasty breakfast at a new cafe [06:38] didrocks: ^ [06:38] yummy [06:39] heh ;) [06:39] includes a croissant [06:39] without chocolate ;) [06:39] larsu: avec du chocolat ? :-) [06:39] ha! Got there first l) [06:39] phew! [06:39] that was close [06:39] avoided a catastrophe [06:39] * pitti takes off the asbestos pants again [06:39] err [06:40] * pitti perde le pantalon d'asbesto à nouveau [06:40] hum? [06:40] désolé pour la language fausse [06:40] don't get it either :p asbesto? [06:40] for the chocolate flamewar [06:40] nevermind [06:41] "avoided a catastrophe" [06:41] I get it's not that asbesto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos [06:41] guess* [06:41] didrocks: that's the very thing you should have when entering fire/a flame war [06:42] didrocks: don't tell me you've never heard of asbestos before? Or the proverbial pants made of it? [06:42] ah, ok, getting you now :) Never heard about the proverbial pants made of it though, no [06:42] wow [06:52] You've never run around in your pretty little asbestos suit? [06:59] all the time@ [06:59] * larsu has problems with punctuation recently [06:59] s/@/! [07:31] HAI [07:31] morning Laney! [07:32] what's up [07:32] not mch [07:32] you? [07:32] hey Laney [07:32] * Sweet5hark1 see the asbestos chocolate mix in backlog and is suspicous ... [07:36] good morning early Laney :) [07:36] hey Sweet5hark1 [07:36] also not much [07:36] yeah so I can go early to climb ^_^ [07:39] heh [07:59] hey ho [07:59] Hey willcooke. [08:00] hey TheMuso [08:03] hey willcooke, TheMuso === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle === Guest8229 is now known as Tm_Tr [08:46] pitti: since a few weeks, everytime I update systemd, I do have the unity lockscreen taking over, is that known? [08:47] I guess the issue is either unity or systemd side (like logind…) [08:47] didrocks: yes, bug 1473800 [08:47] bug 1473800 in systemd (Ubuntu) "restarting logind during systemd update causes screen to lock" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473800 [08:48] didrocks: I haven't found time yet to dig into details, just found a smaller reproducer [08:48] pitti: as long as it's widespread and in your capable hands, I trust it will get fixed then ;) [08:48] * didrocks hugs pitti [08:48] * pitti hugs didrocks back [08:49] didrocks: matter of time mostly [08:49] yeah, I justed wanted to confirm that wasn't setup-specific [08:49] just* [08:52] didrocks: no, seems to happen everywhere [08:52] hey pitti didrocks willcooke [08:52] hey darkxst, how are you? [08:53] good evening darkxst! [08:53] pitti, good, finally kicked the flu this week! [08:54] didrocks: good to hear! did it stick around for that long? [08:54] hey darkxst [08:54] pitti, it was a solid 2 weeks of bad [08:58] pitti, plymouth themes are not in initramfs right? [08:58] Trevinho, thanks for you comments on the doc. Do you need me for your Kylin meeting? [08:59] darkxst: they will be if you install e. g. cryptsetup [08:59] yet I uploaded a fix Mon or so and it only kicked in today (apparently, according to a few users) [08:59] darkxst: mirrors delay perhaps? [08:59] pitti, ah, fix was for password dialof [08:59] willcooke: well, no, but if you want to give your welcome (as 1st time), feel free ;) [08:59] dialog [08:59] ah ok then :) [09:04] pitti, so I suppose it will never happen again, but how does a package force an initramfs rebuild [09:05] darkxst: the postinst can call update-initramfs -u, if the update-initramfs command is available [09:07] pitti, ok [09:15] Laney: ehy, can you give a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/wily/gnome-terminal/scrollbar-background-fix/+merge/270605 ? [09:16] Trevinho: busy atm, hopefully will do later [09:16] what did upstream say? [09:17] Laney: well, they want to wait for a proper solution for now... Which is scrolled window, but it needs gtk patching [09:17] Laney: also they want disable OSB by default in terminal... But I think that's because of a misunderstanding. Since OSB doesn't cover content. This happens in the terminal BTW (when using the experimental and very broken first patch) [09:18] "this"? [09:19] .c [09:19] .h [09:19] .go [09:19] I should disable my touchpad [09:19] accidentally hit it while typing a filename [09:20] * larsu is happy this didn't happen while typing a password :) [09:20] I wonder why disable while typing doesn't really work [09:20] shouldn't touchpad be disabled temporary while writing? [09:20] ah, ok.. :) [09:20] Laney, didrocks: good reply, though ;) [09:20] In mine it works [09:20] think it's a driver thing [09:20] "should" [09:20] larsu, disable while type should always be on now, unless you set it otherwise in the past [09:21] darkxst: never did [09:21] I think it's just broken on this system?! [09:22] what's the settings key for that? [09:23] larsu, oh no settings key, it was completely removed actually [09:23] makes sense [09:23] it should always be on! [09:23] ya, clearly [09:23] nobody would ever want to turn it off, unless it's buggy [09:24] larsu, don't underestimate 'everybody; [09:25] Trevinho: maybe larsu could review that patch code-wise in the meantime ... :) [09:25] I think so :) (:-* larsu) [09:29] a suspicious silence begins [09:30] :D [09:30] I'm looking at it already! [09:32] ♥ [09:32] Trevinho: this is the bug about porting vte to gtkscrolledwindow https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733210 [09:32] Gnome bug 733210 in general "Support animated and touch scrolling" [Normal,New] [09:33] Trevinho: and apparently overlay scrollbars won't be enabled in terminal by default before then [09:33] but your patch is only to get the colors right, even on non-os? [09:33] larsu: yeah, I know... I linked that even on LP and on my buzilla bug... [09:33] larsu: however that patch (only for terminal) is broken [09:34] larsu: it needs some gtk patching [09:34] Trevinho: ugh, I guess this is why there's no activity on it [09:34] larsu: here's more info https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754796#c8 [09:34] Trevinho: I'm fine with your patch (if it works) until they have a proper solution [09:34] Gnome bug 754796 in general "Scrollbar should match the terminal screen background" [Normal,Assigned] [09:34] yeah I saw that one [09:34] thanks [09:35] does it go with some theme fix? [09:35] larsu: he says that they won't be enabled by default in any case... But as I commented I think that's because they implemented it badly and so they see an issue when interacting with it [09:35] Trevinho: want to fix it?> [09:35] :P [09:35] larsu: about my patch... yeah, it only clears the colors under the scorllbar [09:35] Laney: no I think it should work as-as [09:35] *is [09:35] ok cool [09:35] larsu: I wish, but... Well no time for that right now :) [09:35] will test this later [09:35] Trevinho: ;) [09:36] Laney: thanks [09:36] larsu: yeah, it goes without any theme fix. Theme can be improved once that is landed, though [09:36] man [09:36] Laney: how does it work for landing it? Does it use the train? As in that case we can just send alltogether... [09:36] no [09:38] I just upload this [09:38] oh MAN [09:38] I just remembered which way round you use "--" between gbp and bzr bd [09:38] maybe I am finally learning this [09:39] :) [09:39] there should be an international treaty [09:39] about consistency of command line interfaces [09:40] transgressions prosecuted at the hague [09:40] git guys would be at that hague for years now [09:40] Laney: hahahhaha welcome to posix [09:41] wtf [09:41] G_FILE_CREATE_REPLACE_DESTINATION exists but g_file_create() doesn't look at it [09:43] ah, g_file_replace() does... [09:43] doesn't g_file_create() say that the fie has to not exist? [09:44] it does, but it takes that flag and silently ignores it [09:49] Trevinho: well the guys aren't gonna help if you start by calling them gits ;) [09:57] Oh crap [09:57] update-rc.d: error: Read-only file system [09:58] This bug is the biggest ARGH === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [10:49] * Laney commits crimes [10:50] Laney: mounting stuff r/w? :-) [10:54] I am running as root :) [10:57] Laney: Gggggroot [11:00] I am kloot [11:00] * Laney puts them on [11:00] phew, just thought about renewing my bike rental subsciption before going :) [11:03] * didrocks goes for a run [11:09] * Trevinho feels like a newbie... But.... when you're in a bug, isn't really any way to switch focus from upstream project to downstream without changing the uri manually (so that I can target/nominate for a serie/version)? [11:13] Laney, anything wrong with "echo "manual" >/etc/init/whoopsie.override ? (why do you want update-rc.d ? ) [11:13] ogra_: it already uses that [11:13] and, init system agnostic [11:13] then i dont understand the last bug comment [11:14] which part of it? [11:14] "update-rc.d does renames" [11:14] they don't work [11:14] if you already use the cho [11:14] this is well known [11:14] *echo [11:14] i don't use the echo [11:14] the code already uses update-rc.d [11:14] oh, i understood you the other way round :) [11:15] it makes sense to use it [11:15] " ogra_: it already uses that" [11:15] we just have to work around brokenness [11:20] ogra_: how on earth do you test livecd-rootfs/lxc-android-config changes? [11:20] just upload and make an image? [11:24] Laney, install the deb from a chrootewd recovery works ... [11:25] for livecd rootfs i usually test the resulting changes only .... (you can do local builds but thats a lot of effort) [11:25] I did the changes manually [11:25] maybe I just upload this if whoopsie-preferences works [11:40] morning [11:40] anyone want to go to a concert in the hammer this evening? [11:41] hi desrt [11:41] no thanks, going to the movies tonight [11:41] shucks [11:41] everyone is bailing on me === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:59] desrt, what time? [13:07] willcooke: this evening, starting around 7 [13:09] Doesn't seem to be a direct bus route from here. :( [13:09] willcooke: you're on an island.... [13:09] hamilton is a pretty small airport [13:09] They should have thought about this [13:09] heh [13:09] which is annoying [13:10] they're talking about building a second large airport in toronto [13:10] you could get quite close [13:10] just cross the bering strait [13:10] imho they should just add an ICE from toronto union to hamilton airport and expand it there [13:10] (lol.. imagine that, a real train network in canada) [13:44] * larsu wonders if we already have translated country names somwehere === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:03] am I here? [14:04] willcooke: no you are there I am here [14:04] ah ha! [14:04] is that a philosphical question? [14:04] larsu, more a technological one [14:04] my internet went out in the middle of a hangout with didrocks [14:04] in that case, the answer is probably yes [14:05] french connections aren't very good [14:05] ha, I bet didrocks disagrees [14:06] * didrocks downloads some gigabytes to proove larsu wrong [14:06] willcooke: you know the Film the French Connection? That's faster paced than their French connection ;) [14:06] but I need to find some GB of something to download :p [14:07] hehe [14:08] didrocks: I should shut up .. .only on lte :/ [14:09] oh right! [14:21] Dell has sold out of XPS13 Ubuntu editions in Europe! [14:21] desrt: like so? [14:22] yes [14:22] telegram for work is weird [14:22] it's too mixed in with my personal life [14:22] indeed. You started there :) [14:22] and it's difficult to manage priority of messages this way [14:22] oh wait I started with work stuff [14:22] also: all of the beeping is getting annoying [14:22] indeed :) [14:22] so... I think I'm writing a db. stop me [14:23] you don't have enough features for a DB :) [14:23] I mean the api [14:23] GVariant is a pretty great API for what you're doing [14:23] maybe with some very very thin layering of convenience API on top [14:23] ie: lie [14:23] lie about what? [14:23] make it look like you're returning "City" objects or some BS [14:23] but really it's just a GVariant (ssss) [14:23] have nice get_name() etc. [14:23] and city_free() -> g_variant_unref() [14:24] as for how you manage which items you return, well, i don't know [14:24] yeah that makes the most sense I guess [14:24] and is extensible [14:24] right [14:25] if some day you decide not to use GVariant, then you don't break API [14:46] cyphermox: any help neeeded for sponsoring still? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [14:47] no, I'm getting to it now [14:47] cyphermox: great, thanks [15:06] desrt: g_variant_new_from_data() gives me an empty array ... how do I start debuggin this? [15:07] g_variant_get_size() is correct [15:07] g_variant_n_children() returns 0 [15:21] anyone here knows how to change the keyboard layout in a unity8-desktop-session-mir? [15:27] larsu: probably you didn't put an array into the memory you're trying to load [15:27] your code was appending a bunch of (ssss) in sequence, wasn't it? [15:27] you can't do that... you need to use a builder [15:27] desrt: I did, but it was still compressed (got the data from the wrong stream) [15:27] sorry :) [15:27] ah [15:27] that'll do it too :) [15:27] ya, writing it as a a(ssss) now [15:27] Laney would be proud [15:28] bahahaha [15:28] 83ms to rip through all of it [15:28] i welcome a patch to add streaming support to GVariantBuilder [15:28] this was one of the design goals of GVariant [15:28] tokenizing and folding every iteration [15:28] but nobody implemented it yet [15:28] * larsu wonders if he should even bother making that faster [15:28] desrt: didn't you say it's impossible? === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [15:28] no. it's easily very possible. [15:29] GVariant is designed in such a way that the natural way of using a builder (with nesting) results in all of the data being written immediately with no back-seeking required [15:29] larsu: try on a phone [15:29] or the armhf porter :) [15:29] only the offsets are required to be held until the end of each nesting level [15:29] ie: a few bytes per item, regardless of the size of the item [15:29] so it's quite efficient [15:30] Laney: same porter but going into an armhf schroot? [15:30] porter-armhf.c.c [15:30] ok will try later [15:30] actually those might be fast [15:30] if it's armhf on arm64 [15:30] * Laney doesn't remember [15:30] I can always build an index as an optimization [15:31] probably we're already much faster than before because we're not creating all those objects [15:31] at which point seeking will be very useful :) [15:31] you're sort of exploring a bad side of GVariant here [15:31] Laney: but we still need to fix bug #1439475 [15:31] bug 1439475 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "in timezone selection the country name should be displayed as the native language of the country" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439475 [15:31] since you _will_ be creating lots of objects (GVariants) [15:31] larsu: sure [15:32] Laney: I wonder where we should put country translations... [15:32] larsu: orthogonal though, don't get tangled up trying to fix all the things at once [15:32] inded [15:32] *indeed [15:32] probably geonames.org (where this database comes from) has something [15:32] at least now we can search for Nëw York and get New York ;) (thanks desrt ;) ) [15:32] that's not true. [15:32] you can search for New York and get Nëw York, but not the other way ;) [15:32] Laney: it does, it's even in our dataset [15:33] cool [15:33] desrt: right sorry [15:33] what's the problem then? [15:33] we probaly want to not ship all of them [15:33] I'd expect the original name and the german name on a system with de_DE [15:34] it has nothing to do with the system locale [15:34] and everything to do with the locale of the name itself [15:34] which is actually really interesting [15:34] hm? That's what I'm just saying [15:34] you have a chance to handle that in an intelligent way here, since the city names come from particular countries [15:34] I want the original name AND the name in the system locale [15:34] oh. weird. [15:35] good luck :) [15:35] why? [15:35] because this is m*n for m city names and n locales [15:35] and your database doesn't contain this info [15:35] you mean like köln vs. cologne, right? [15:35] yes [15:35] and brussels vs bruxelles vs brussel [15:36] it does... but I think it doesn't tell me which languages alternate names come from [15:36] brüssel *cough* [15:36] you mean bruessel :) [15:36] * larsu pats pitti on the back to help with the cough [15:36] pitti: bless you [15:36] desrt: g_str_match_string() doesn't do that one yet ;) [15:37] * Laney is off for some errands (skipped lunch) - ttyl [15:37] it does, if you tell it your locale is "de" [15:37] that's the purpose of the "translit_locale" argument to g_str_tokenize_and_fold() [15:37] does it use my system locale if I pass NULL [15:37] NEAT! [15:37] no [15:37] it uses C [15:38] anyway.. my point is that you need to figure out which language each of these names is from so that the transliteration can handle it intelligently [15:38] yeah I think I don't know that [15:38] so ... include all of them?! [15:38] that would be weird [15:38] ö for example appears in german and swedish, but you don't agree on what the ascii-ification rules are [15:39] in u-c-c, I can find all of brüssel, brussels, and bruxelles right now [15:39] I think someone decided to index ALL THE THINGS [15:39] how about bruessel? :) [15:40] nope [15:40] time to step up your game [15:40] not running de_DE [15:40] here's a hint: use wikipedia [15:41] "this page in other languages" is your friend :) [15:41] uh oh [15:41] Bruselský region [15:41] :) [15:42] ბრიუსელი_(რეგიონი) [15:42] 布鲁塞尔-首都大区 [15:42] could be that this way lies madness... [15:42] indeed [15:43] * larsu gets feature parity on the phone first [15:43] but this will need to work [15:43] (madness and large DBs) [15:43] not *that* large [15:43] all the cities of the world translated into all of the languages of the world? [15:44] most of them are 1:! [15:44] 1:1 [15:44] i wouldn't bet on that... [15:58] so that was weird [15:58] oh you're back [15:58] lost internet in my house, and my phone wouldn't work either [15:58] traceroute showed that both connections were dying at the main internet exchange in toronto [15:58] seems to be back on my phone now... [15:59] home connection is also working again [15:59] scary feeling... losing internet and not even being able to use your phone to get around it :p [15:59] desrt: is returning GList still cool? [15:59] no [15:59] never was [15:59] zero-terminated array? [16:00] slightly nicer.... [16:00] iterator? [16:00] are you returning an array of GVariants? [16:00] yes [16:00] did you consider returning a GVariant array? [16:00] it's not in the API [16:00] huh? [16:00] GVariant isn't [16:00] but yeah, could do I guess [16:01] oh. you want people to use your array natively? [16:01] I want people to not use g_variant_ [16:01] right [16:01] in case I change my mind [16:01] i'd use an array with a length field [16:01] and null termination for convenience [16:01] like: [16:01] and then require calling free() in a loop? [16:01] gpointer* get_the_thing(thing, int *n); [16:01] and again for the container? [16:01] ya [16:01]