[01:01] what's creepy about it? [01:44] I just tried to do updates after adding the ppa for kdeconnect, and get: [01:44] W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/vikoadi/ppa/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [01:44] W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/vikoadi/ppa/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [01:45] I used sudo apt-add-repository ppa:vikoadi/ppa to add it [01:51] valorie: that ppa has no wily packages [01:52] ah, got it [01:53] well, I have no vivid box left, I don't think [01:53] 0.8 is the latest official relaese for desktop iirc [01:53] hmmm, maybe the old laptop? [01:59] * claydoh uses the new beta android app seems to be fime with the 0.8 on desktop [02:22] mhall119: ? [02:34] ahoneybun: clivejo said something about mycroft being creepy [02:35] mhall119: he does not like ubuntu [02:36] this is an odd channel for him to be in then :) [02:37] the flavors are different to him [02:37] mhall119: Ubuntu has more than one definition and you know that. [02:38] If you're goinng to be difficult, this might just be an odd channel for you to be in. [02:39] ScottK: sorry, I thought he meant Ubuntu as a distro, not the Unity desktop version of it [02:41] Thanks to Canonical that's known as "Ubuntu" so there's no correct way to refer to it specifically. [02:41] the dislike may be more pointed at Canonical [02:41] yea [02:41] mm [02:41] :/ [02:41] ok [02:43] Mine's more for people who judge others as unable to follw the CoC and then blow it off themselves (Elfy's rage quit being a really fine example of the art). [02:44] Well Elfy is no longer involed in the project, so there's nothing to be done about that now [02:49] Yet he was previously judged to be fit to stand in judgment over all of us. [02:49] The damage left in his wake is still with us. [02:51] for sure [02:52] I'm no longer convinced it's fatal however, so that's good. [02:55] I'm glad for that, seeing a fully staffed Kubuntu Council makes me happy and hopeful [02:57] We still have a userbase, we still have people who care to lead and to follow = a very hopeful future [02:59] Xubuntu and Edubuntu survived for a while with zero people with upload rights, so it's possible to recover from a very low level. [03:01] it only takes one to get a few more [03:01] and take off [03:01] Sort of it takes three since the quorum for kubuntu-dev to appoint someone new into kubuntu-dev is three. [03:02] Shouldn't be hard to find people still willing to do that. [03:02] very true, which is why I'm thankful for the three new KC members and the three remaining ones, for making that effort [03:02] mhall119: kubuntu-dev, not KC. [03:02] Separate issue. [03:02] I'm very stubborn [03:02] ScottK: I was speaking of KC specificially [03:02] KC has nothing to do with approving new developers. [03:02] Right, I wasn't. [03:03] yeah, I was just typing close, so you got a couple sentences in before me :) [03:03] typing slow [03:03] DMB could reseed kubuntu-dev as well if needed, but if there are people involved who are ready to be kubuntu-dev, we'll probably be able to find people to review/approve the applications. [03:03] and poorly, it seems [03:04] CC could also restaff the KC. [03:04] Direct CC appointments would also make the lack of democracy in the project clearer. [03:04] true, but that would be a break from past history, I'm glad it wasn't necessary [03:05] it wouldn't have been necessary [03:05] the KC isn't *necessary* [03:05] valorie: Without it there would be no more Kubuntu members. [03:05] the other flavors don't have a council, do they? [03:05] edubuntu does [03:05] right, I think it is important [03:05] well, they did [03:06] not sure if it's active anymore [03:06] When there were more of them. [03:06] They could make Edubuntu members too. [03:06] but I very much got the idea that the CC didn't care whether or not the KC existed, or survivied [03:06] survived [03:06] ScottK: the Membership Board approves Ubuntu members then the admin of Kubuntu members could add those no> [03:06] ? [03:06] valorie: that would be incorrect, we always cared about the KC existing and being healthy [03:07] our constitution gives that power to the KC ahoneybun [03:07] mm k [03:07] mm = thinking [03:07] mhall119: that was nowhere evident in the recent past [03:07] ahoneybun: Not properly. People involved in Kubuntu could stlll get Ubuntu membership via one of the regular boards, but only the KC can make someone a Kubuntu member. [03:07] valorie: I'm worry for that :( [03:07] mhall119: You have a funny way of showing it. [03:07] mhall119: me too [03:08] ScottK: it was not just mhall119 who made the call, so lets not just hit him up [03:08] ahoneybun: His personal responsibility is not less because he didn't act alone. [03:09] true but was it not a voted decision? [03:09] I would feel quite different about it if the CC had come to the KC with their concerns [03:09] ahoneybun: We don't know. It was claimed to be unanimous and I know that's not true. [03:09] valorie: yes, I think we've learned that lesson [03:09] It was all decided in secret. [03:10] that's the part that made it very odd to me [03:10] anyway, I hope in future it will be better [03:10] I think I'm gong to leave since it's getting late here and roughly the last thing I need is to get riled up before bed time. [03:11] mm [03:12] losing ScottK has been an enormous loss to us [06:06] good morning :) [06:06] http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/amarok-2-9-enters-beta-after-two-years-of-development-amarok-3-0-prepares-for-qt5-491475.shtml [06:07] nd next good news today :) yesterday i asked why there is no LO 5 in Wily and .. now it is :D [06:14] LO? [06:14] wonderful news about Amarok [06:15] valorie: Libre Office [06:15] ah [06:15] and some bad news for some maybe: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case :D [06:15] yes, I talked with one Win user who shuts down his machine, just in case [06:16] i need to remove my windows partition fro good [06:18] I have one on my little travel computer, but I've never booted into it [06:20] whoa... [06:21] next plus removing it = whole ssd for kubuntu [06:21] good morning bshah [06:21] good morning soee [07:19] Good morning [07:54] Riddell: marble CI needs qtserial thing uploaded to CI ppas [07:59] Riddell: kdepim CI needs libkolab and libkolabxml for vivid uploaded [08:29] for some whatever reason ^C does not work in Konsole anymore in Vivid on my system [08:30] I've looked into the shortcuts, and nothing seems to override it [08:30] any ideas? [08:30] ^D still works [08:52] ovidiu-florin: using the nvidia drivers? [08:52] no [08:52] Intel [08:52] I think it's configuration related [08:52] because it worked [08:53] most likely I've done something [08:53] What I've observer is that if I press ^C^C^C fast I get a new Konsole Tab [08:55] ovidiu-florin: what does this report in Konsole "cat /proc/self/status | grep SigBlk" ? [08:56] TJ-: zeros [08:56] many zeros [08:57] ovidiu-florin: OK, not blocked then [09:00] ovidiu-florin: any recent package updates? [09:03] ovidiu-florin: check the profile's key-bindings [09:03] ovidiu-florin: does Ctrl+Shift+C generate the SIGINT instead? [09:06] yes, it does [09:06] That seems to confirm that there is a key binding remap. You should be able to see it in the Edit Current Profile > Keyboard bindings [09:07] Default (XFree 4) [09:07] that's what is set [09:10] Yes, check the bindings list for that [09:12] I can't find Ctrl in that list [09:13] Hmmm, strange. Did this start happening recently? Can you associate it with any config changes, or package updates? [09:15] Check in System Settings > Workspace > Shortcuts > Application Shortcuts [09:22] I've checked that [09:23] I've installed Yakuake some time ago, and all of the sudden it refusez to start at startup anymore [09:23] about the same time yakuake went crazy, also did Konsole [09:23] There are a lot of similar reports, often related to kde4 library updates [09:23] BTW ^C works in the KonsolePart in Dolphin [09:26] See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313862 [09:26] KDE bug 313862 in keyboard "CTRL+C is ignored by konsole" [Minor,Resolved: invalid] [09:55] what ctrl + c should do ? [10:24] soee: Send sigint. [10:39] guys i need someone on Wily (Plasma 5.4.1) [10:42] cyphermox: I'm still getting an error on upgrading from vivid to wily with modemmanager, are you aware of that? [10:48] sitter: new ubiquity working good including for oem-config which is no more broken than before [10:52] where are kubuntu bugs reported ? === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [11:26] soee: depends on the bug, upstream to KDE if it's a KDE bug [11:27] who wants to package the new amarok? [11:27] Riddell: was false alaram with the bug :) [11:41] Howdy folks === sebas_ is now known as sebas [11:57] hiyas [12:00] hiho sgclark [12:07] hey sgclark , soee_ [12:09] wonder if there's any methos of adding kmix back to the system tray, I don't use pulseaudio so the new audio volume icon is useless for me [12:09] in plasma 5.4 [12:09] BluesKaj: just start kmix? [12:10] kfunk, afraid not [12:10] got the kmix gui up and system tray option is checked, but nothing [12:11] do you have this user icon inside each section in Application Dashboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y9PhSTLKWM ? [12:12] BluesKaj: hm, indeed [12:13] it surely used to work in 15.10 a few weeks ago [12:13] I explicitely removed my kmix b/c it was showing a dock icon :D [12:13] sitter: https://xkcd.com/1172/ ^ [12:15] kfunk, pulseaudio icon audio volume has become the de facto default for the system tray ...another "feature" of the new plasma5 desktop [12:15] i dont' use or need pulseaudio [12:15] well, but it's 2015 after all. PA is a defactor standard as well [12:15] de-facto* [12:16] mentioned it .. there are some updates today in wily for pulseauido :) [12:17] iI have no need for an extra level of digital audio processing , alsa and the intel audio driver work well together, pulse just gets in the way [12:18] BluesKaj: maybe in the past. PA usually integrates well nowadays [12:18] maybe you should just give it a try... [12:20] I have, I had to use it with my m-audio soundcard which is now out of the mix since it required pulseaudio support from it;s driver... a totaly redundant situation [12:20] putting it up on ebay [12:26] I'm afriad the audiophile in me still surfaces now and then when I see this kind of thing :-) [12:29] pulseaudio is for those who like to use several audio sources simultaneously ...for those users it's a necessity === mck182|afk is now known as mck182__ [12:37] It is also really nice if you have an HDMI/DisplayPort audio device that you want to be able to use to play arbitrary streams without mucking around in application or ALSA configuration. [12:39] mamarley, i use VLC audio settings for digital/hdmi or analog outputs to my audio system, it works well [12:40] VLC has that, but not all applications do. [12:40] yeah , that's one of the reasons I use VLC [12:41] * mamarley uses VLC too. [12:41] VLC is a great medai app [12:42] media even [12:42] I switched to VLC when it gained native VDPAU support. Before that, I had used smplayer/mplayer and before that xine. [12:46] I'm a bit disappointed in the mplayer flavours , but mplayer itself is great with difficult videos that are a bit corrupted codec wise [12:49] * lordievader uses mpv as mplayer/mplayer2 are kind of abandoned [12:49] I considered switching to mpv before I switched to VLC, but smplayer did not work with mpv at the time and I couldn't find a good frontend. [12:50] I usually launch media players from the commandline anyways, so I have no real need for a frontend. [12:51] I maintain computers for several other people who would not be comfortable doing that and I like to eat my own dogfood so I know what I am setting them up with. [12:52] I don't mind using the gui for video , since there are so many options that command line strings can become too complex [12:53] That too, I always forget which command-line args I need to enable VDPAU and such. [12:55] yeah , well I need to make sure wife can handle the movie player so i try to keep the under the hood stuff already setup and saved so she can just use play , pause etc ctls [12:58] Aliases are usefull for that. [12:59] I use aliases mostly for the terminal with apt etc [13:00] For example I have an alias ls which maps to 'ls --color=force -l'. [13:03] the colour here is already setup on the PCs hdmi input on the monitor/TV , so i don't muck about with it [13:05] Err, --color=force forces ls to add colors to it's output. It has nothing to do with hdmi, etc. [13:05] It adds ansi color codes to the output. [13:07] which does what? [13:08] For example it colors directories blue, adds a green background to 777 dirs and more. Try it I'd say. [13:09] Riddell: what error? [13:10] cyphermox: https://paste.kde.org/pancnvkve [13:10] ah, ok [13:15] that's invokercd being shit though I think [13:15] it happens when it can't detect either systemd or upstart [13:15] then it just assumes the sysvinit file is going to be there [13:15] except obviously that assumption is false more often than not xD === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [13:37] yofel: are you on top of the intel SNA crashery? [13:38] sitter: I have a bug that's marked Critical against mesa, my plan was to poke around over the weekend - but I see you were faster [13:38] let me look up the bug # [13:39] lp 1492037 [13:39] Launchpad bug 1492037 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Segmentation fault in brw_meta_fast_clear" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1492037 [13:39] not that I am getting much response XD [13:39] as usual.. [13:39] rather content to go for patchy upload if no one wants to talk to me :P === palasso_ is now known as palasso [16:31] packagekit-qt updated, hoorah [16:38] ximion: cool stuff tis Limba :) [16:43] soee: yes :) progressing much faster than I originally expected :D [16:44] ximion: do you have any feedback from distros and devs? [16:45] soee: not yet, except for a whishlist of things developers would like to have working [16:45] e.g. shipping something like Akonadi doesn't currently work with Limba, due to a conflict with the distributor's own packaging - I am still working on a solution there [16:46] "conflict with the distributor's own packaging" ? [16:47] also, I got lots of feedback at Debconf and Akademy, but my goal is to get people to create a Limba package - since it's very easy to do for me, but others might run into obstacles I haven't thought about before [16:47] soee: yes, in case there is a DBus activated daemon involved [16:47] how should the system know whether to start the Limba daemon or the one the distributor provides? [16:47] during build ? [16:48] no, at install-time [16:49] i'm not imilar with this stuff, but shouldn'tpackage inform about it all [16:49] and system should recognise package type ? [16:50] D-Bus doesn't provide logic to select the right service to start at time, so the short-term solution to this issue will likely be adding support for Limba in the application itself, while the long-term solution is adapting D-Bus [16:50] soee: the Limba bundle isn't the problem here, Limba bundles install conflict-free and happily alongside distributor-provided apps [16:51] only some special features like d-bus daemons can currently cause trouble [16:52] i think i have some general view now on this :) [16:53] has kolab support been fixed in Kontact/PIM? [16:54] Riddell: ^ [16:55] soee: there are only a few essential infrastructure tasks left for Limba - I plan to develop the remaining features by packaging more software and see which use-cases need to be addressed [16:55] I noticed a few libkolab packages being updated/installed [16:56] ximion: but still it cn be tested best if used ny devs right ? :) [16:56] soee: would be cool to have LimbaHub ready soon, but I'm not really a good web developer, so that might take a while ^^ [16:56] yes, of course [16:57] ximion: i'm a web developer :D [16:57] the bundle format is also stable and won't change anymore, unless there is a *really* good reason - so whatever you create now will work with future Limba versions [17:01] soee: if you want to help.... ;-) [17:01] * ximion is one of those weird people who enjoys working with C more than working on HTML/Python [17:02] well i do not know python :) i work in php, javascript, do forntend with css etc. [17:03] Python is easy :-) [17:04] after you get used to hitting space a lot, it's really fun to work with it :) [17:05] :D [17:14] soee: I just got an email from someone running 4 different Python versions with Limba :P [17:14] ;o [17:14] (apparently for testing code against them ^^ - but nice CPython is working ^^) [17:14] but installed with limba ? [17:15] yes [17:40] Riddell: did you fix the kolab support in Kontact/PIM? [17:58] clivejo: I think so, I added back libkolab to kdepim-runtime and added the extra files to the .deb packages, but it's entirely untested [17:58] Ill reboot in a few minutes and try it [18:10] Kontact has lost my Feeds again! [18:14] Riddell: well there is now a Kolab option [18:14] cyphermox: that sounds good :) [18:14] wheee.. plasma-nm has lost some passwords again [18:14] sorry clivejo that sounds good :) [18:15] lets see if it sync's and connect into the right components [18:17] Riddell: what tests are there to see if its working? [18:26] :) well my notes, contacts, events etc have all sync'ed and just waiting on email :) [18:29] should it not hide the notes and files IMAP folders? [18:29] yofel: i would say it is some bug [18:30] as other users also reported similar problem [18:33] Riddell: is there anyone building the new KDE Connect code coming from Randa? [18:56] clivejo: btw. after reboot etc. media control works fine in new kdeconnect [18:57] yeah, but apparently there is new desktop software needed too [18:57] both the phone app and desktop should be running the same version [18:58] we have a package in Kubuntu that overrides the default KDE settings, what's its name, agai? [18:59] kubuntu-settings-desktop [18:59] found it [19:02] * ahoneybun reminds Riddell we still need to test and push his kubuntu-settings package for wily [19:19] yippeee a Find my phone plugin for KDE Connect :) [19:24] Im having problems with a java application called JOSM. When I select the GTK+ look and feel the application wont start, could this be plasma related? [19:28] so the bot is in here [19:34] kubuntubot: testing [19:34] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [19:49] kubuntubot: hi [19:49] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [19:50] Hm [19:50] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [19:50] Is it really responding to everything that is said? That isn't good... [19:50] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [19:51] yea it is [19:51] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [19:52] testing [19:52] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [19:52] foo [19:52] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [19:57] kubuntubot: hello [19:57] foo [19:57] bar [19:59] ovidiu-florin: https://github.com/FruitieX/teleirc [20:08] kubuntubot: hi [20:13] kubuntubot: hi [20:13] Error: No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your chat_id! [20:15] kubuntubot: hi [20:17] kubuntubot: hi [20:17] kubuntubot: ;rsmvien [20:22] is konsole still crashing on exit for people running wily? [20:23] : Fail [20:23]

: yuguuu [20:23] kubuntubot: it works [20:23] : testing [20:23] yeeey === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [20:23] I fixed it :D:D:D [20:24] you really did [20:24] kubuntubot: ovidiu-florin hello [20:25] test [20:25] test [20:27]

: et [20:27] kubuntubot: yoo [20:27] hello [20:27] !hello [20:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about hello [20:27] right [20:27] !telegram [20:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about telegram [20:28] hey claus_chr [20:28] hey clivejo [20:28] opps [20:28] hi ahoneybun [20:28] : hello clivejo [20:28] XD [20:28] you are a noisey kubuntubot [20:29] lol [20:29] ovidiu-florin: and I have been testing it [20:29] mostly ovidiu-florin has been fixing it though lol [20:30]

: I drink beer [20:31] I drink whiskey :) [20:32] : hello claydoh [20:33] : hello ovidiu-florin [20:33]

: ping clivejo [20:33]

: did you get pinged? [20:33] kubuntubot: ovidiu-florin: pong [20:33] it does not work both ways atm [20:33] ahoneybun: well fix it :P [20:34] ovidiu-florin is working very hard on it and I'm providing emotional support :) [20:35] : He he lol [20:35] : valorie: ping [20:35] : hello rick [20:35] : Hi [20:36]

: foo [20:36] : Probably on IRC on my PC [20:36] i would rather put this bot on separate irc channel like #kubuntu-telegram or smth. [20:36] : This is Telegram on my Android [20:37] mm [20:38] we'll see soee [20:38] kubuntubot: we'll see martin [20:38] btw. how can i get telegram channe invite / [20:39] : @sgclark2 do you have soee on your phone? [20:39] ekhm: http://i.imgur.com/4TfZ7Xk.png [20:39] : so you can invite him? [20:40] the old icons were much much better [20:40] weeee, telegrambot! [20:40] * ahoneybun uses fullscreen launcher [20:40] its a WIP valorie [20:40] : Nope sorry [20:40] : @ovidiu_florin is taking care of it [20:40] : thanks [20:40] ahoneybun: so do i but this is from master verion probably so if you are not on it you see no changes [20:41] mm [20:41] I can't see my power options as they are in dark lol [20:41] and probably thois icons in Application Dashboard will get replaed to :~D [20:41] soee: are you on telegram? [20:41] mm [20:42] : Hello :) [20:42] : hey marcin [20:43]

: I propose having the same nicks on bot IRC and Telegram [20:43]

: both* [20:43] maybe a bit late to ask, but... what the hell is telegram? [20:44] wow, I lost touch with telegram since I turned off notifications on my phone [20:44] y'all were chatty when I was trying to sleep [20:44] yofel: a IM thing [20:45] yofel, free software IM like whatsapp [20:45] it was the killer app for Akademy [20:45] and some of us are still using it [20:45] since it works with wifi only [20:45] telegram.org? [20:46] children and their toys *shakes head* [20:46]