[00:53] having an issue with 15.04: I'm wiping out a previous Linux system and replacing it with 15.04, but I'm getting the "the ext4 file system creation in partition #1 failed" === kubuntu is now known as Guest63532 [02:32] Okay, I was the Viper550 guy from earlier. I did manage to get it installed (yay!), but something feels off; [02:32] the screen, at various moments, just loses signal then comes back. There are certain times when this occurs; [02:47] that sounds odd Lirodon [02:47] what graphics do you have? [02:47] it's an older ATI FirePro [02:47] in particular, it happens quite a few times while launching KDE, and afterwards, when launching certain programs (specifcally System Settings and things needing admin access) [02:48] never heard of that one [02:48] but if it is labeled as ATI then it is old lol [02:49] signal: your talking about the screen going dark? [02:51] the screen blanks, for a moment then comes back [02:52] mm [02:52] I've not heard that one before [02:53] I also don't get a plymouth splash [02:54] though I did on opensuse [02:54] driver versions prehaps? === himcesjf_ is now known as himcesjf === mkv is now known as m4v [06:54] if Xorg is 2 displayscreen 1 Xserver，what about wayland? it's like Xserver(2 display Screen 1 Server) or every display screen is a server [06:56] nishikino-maki: jump to #plasma and ask there [07:19] Good morningn. [07:19] morning* === toscalix_ is now known as toscalix [08:23] Hi, anybody using latest Pladma 5.4.1 packages on WIlly [08:23] yes [08:23] j-b-m-: when did the 5.4.1 update land ? [08:23] Usually it is easier asking the actual question [08:24] maybe it was the question :D [08:24] !polls [08:24] It sems to completely break plasma for me (main desktop panel is completely useless for me) [08:24] pff [08:24] j-b-m-: work fine here, it breaks plasma or panel only ? [08:24] j-b-m-: do you have dual screen + nvidia ? [08:25] Panel, but also widgets have issues (cannot enter text, etc). No using intel graphic card, issue on one or 2 monitor config [08:26] For example in panel, clock does not update time, clicking on sound applet brings network menu, etc [08:28] j-b-m-: try - creating a new (test) user - logout then login with that user and see if same thing occurs? [08:29] in case its some local kde/other setting for your user than has buggered things. [08:29] also check for more updates (do it via a terminal session). [08:41] hateball: Do you mean... [08:41] !ask [08:41] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [08:53] yossarianuk: seems to work with a new user. I will try to delete all my plasma user preferences, thanks === fcocchia is now known as franz_7272 === para is now known as Guest28611 === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [11:41] Howdy folks === access42 is now known as access42_ === access42_ is now known as access42__ === access42__ is now known as access42 === badman is now known as shoaib [12:53] Short question, how to use apt-get upgrade and leaving out one buggy package? === aspidites_ is now known as ed|wn === ed|wn is now known as ed|win [12:59] dieterd: Pin the buggy package first then upgrade. [13:05] !pinning [13:05] pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto [13:06] dieterd, still using kubuntu lucid? [13:07] !lucid [13:07] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) was the twelfth release of Ubuntu. Desktop support ended May 9 2013. Server support ended on April 30 2015. See http://ubottu.com/y/lucid for more details. [13:07] Forgot which number lucid was. [13:10] 10.04 [13:10] oops [13:13] ubottu & BluesKaj: Thanks hold with dpkg works. Now apt-get upgrade is running well. [13:13] dieterd: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:14] is there a way to test wayland? i'm using the backport thing [13:14] i saw some wayland package today [13:14] (without recompiling) [13:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS 3/2013 end of full support and 5/2015 endet last low level of support. [13:21] nevermind figured it out [13:29] From 10.04 to 12.04, is this a good way of doing: https://rtcamp.com/tutorials/linux/upgrade-ubuntu-distro/ [13:43] When "do-release-upgrade -d" should I better leave X11 session with strg+alt+f1 to terminal? [13:47] dieterd: doesnt really matter, do-release-upgrade starts a screen session iirc [13:47] so if it for some reason fails you can always attach from a tty later [13:51] I will try. If it is not working then I will have a lot of work around. because old Siemens Scenic does not boot from USB and blocks also USB by using bootCD for USB. [13:55] Hello and Thanks Thanks for the awesome OS [13:55] I'm on Kubuntu14 now [13:55] coz Kubuntu15 thinks something about what it thinks when its docked [13:55] and wont display the lower screen at all [13:55] It's no biggie [13:56] I think it's gonna get solved by just putting it to the dock [13:56] but I don't have it here [13:57] if anyone knows how to reset the machine from thinking it is still on the dock or whatevs is wrong with it [13:58] jubo2: you can remove/edit the kscreen config files in your ~/ [13:58] assuming you are not using a proprietary driver [13:59] hmm.. [13:59] gotta do something else now [14:00] jubo2: Start with the kscreen cache. [14:00] jubo2: ~/.local/share/kscreen [14:04] now I'm back [14:04] I need to see if the Kubuntu15 disk is mounted === regedit_ is now known as regedit [14:13] I think it is [14:14] but I should prlly access it by cd [14:14] and not the Kubuntu filebrowser [14:25] BluesKaj: [14:25] lordievader: [14:25] soee_: [14:25] ? [14:25] guess what, I have sound [14:26] hello, is there a way to avoid plasma5.4 autostart the last application I had open? it takes long to load, and then always opens two dolphin windows and then krunner crashes [14:26] trixi, cool, how did you manage [14:27] my goddamn boyfriend fixed it in like 30 secs [14:27] the first thing he did was to purge pulseaudio [14:28] yeah pulse isn't really needed with intel-hda [14:29] dist-upgrade needs >3GB on HD [14:30] napoleaoV, close your apps before shutting down [14:31] napoleaoV: Or configure it not to restore last session. [14:31] Systemsettings -> startup and shutdown -> Desktop Session -> On Login [14:31] where can I configure not to restore? [14:31] ok let me check [14:31] well, thanks for the help guys, you're awesome! [14:32] 2GB will take 9h .... :( [14:32] trixi, glad to be of service ;-) [14:32] You should never touch a running system! [14:33] perfect, done, thanks [14:34] dieterd, dist-upgrade to 10.10? it's still not supported [14:34] now I need to find why krunner always crashes after a login, it takes like 3 to 5 minutes before it loads everything, my computer is a macbook pro from this year [14:34] or LTS upgrade to 12.04? [14:35] BluesKaj, righte 10.04->12.04 [14:36] dieterd, well, you'll have a supported OS and packages, one has to sacrifice a little time to get a proper operating system [14:36] bye everyone [14:36] good luck [14:36] bye tiwake [14:38] updater was telling 18 programs not supportet, but not which. [14:40] when suddenly logged out, probably my pc will reboot. [14:46] BluesKaj: tabfail XD [14:47] tiwake, sorry, she left about a half second before i hit enter [14:47] yeah, it happens, even among the best of us [14:48] not quick enough on the draw in my old age :-) [14:54] BluesKaj: Seems that download failed for one or two deb's. Waiting vor headline failed. gtk-gnome... Should I stop and restart, or will updater try it later again? [14:58] Hi [14:59] -test- [15:02] Now was asking for change pwd mysql, download was faster, jumped between 9h and 40 minutes. [15:04] dieterd, dunno, dist-upgrade is no longer used to upgrade to a new OS the command in the newer releases is do-release-upgrade [15:05] I did do-release-upgrade [15:05] now , \dist-upgrade is used to upgrade new kernels. kernel modules and related packages [15:07] xscreensaver and xlockmore must be restarted before upgrading??One or more running instances of xscreensaver or xlockmore have been detected on this system. [15:08] How to? [15:09] dieterd, if you have separate / and /home partitions, a clean install from live-media to / would be much better, since the original OS and packages can no longer be updated and upgraded [15:10] BluesKaj: It's all on same partition. [15:10] bummer [15:13] BluesKaj: Similar things I had in the past. So KDE&Gnome were gone and I had to install this GUI manually again. [15:13] That was really big fun (ironically). [15:15] I plan to continue and see whats happen, an happening, who knows [15:18] Running services and programs that are using NSS need to be restarted, otherwise they might not be able to do lookup or ?authentication any more (for services such as ssh, this can affect your ability to login). Please review the following ?space-separated list of init.d scripts for services to be restarted now, and correct it if needed.??Note: restarting sshd/telnetd should not affect any existing connections.??Services to restart for GNU [15:18] libc library upgrade: 14 125 vsftpd rsync postfix mysql cups cron atd [15:19] Pressed OK [15:21] (No risk no fun, X11 still not shot down) [15:30] Error cannot import gmenu - is this important? [15:39] depack packages finished, now installing packages is running. [15:41] now depacking again next packages [15:51] So I got an older ATI video card, and the screen goes blank every time I use KDE system settings or certain other programs [15:53] Viper550, a pci or onboard? [15:55] PCI, FirePro. It goes blank then goes back [15:55] Some more questions by updater answered - yeah you have to stay near your pc. [15:55] I looked in xorg logs; it's relisting the monitor's supported modes a lot [15:56] but I see no errors. Does this even if I disable compositing [15:58] Viper550, which driver is recommended in system settings> driver manager? [15:58] It doesn't give any. It does offer me intel-microcode [15:58] (this is an Optiplex 745 with a Core 2 Duo processor) [15:59] no video drivers are listed for the PCI card? [16:00] I also get no splash during startup [16:00] which kubuntu ? [16:01] Latest, 15.04 [16:01] but you do get the login ? [16:01] or is auto-login? [16:02] auto-login [16:02] I literally don't get a sign of life until the KDE splash screen [16:02] ahh, that's why there's no splash [16:02] no I mean, no Plymouth splash [16:03] no 15.04 with the prograss dots underneath [16:03] I do see the Kubuntu logo a bit on shutdown, and it did work on the live CD [16:04] I mean like, the pulsing logo [16:08] the applications that trigger these short blackouts are very arbitary; Kate, KInfoCenter [16:10] kinfocenter PCI does list the card; Raedon X1300/X1550 Series [16:13] okay; this card does have a dual-head plug. I'm trying plugging the monitor into the other cord on it [16:14] And now ... it's not doing it! [16:15] still no Plymouth. But when it was on DVI-1, it was doing all that random monitor turn off business. On DVI-0, it's not. [16:16] when I try to install play on linux via synaptic, it says in the "TO BE REMOVED" section that it is going to remove kde. How do I go about instaliing play on linux without removing kde or it's dependencies? [16:19] pdc2 have you tried googling how to install play with pkg as opposed to apt ? [16:19] anna, I have tried both ways installing via package manager and installing via ppa. In both cases it removes kde installation [16:20] Ok [16:22] but yeah, splash-wise, first sign of life I see before KDE splash is the console text "starting version 219" in the corner and a cursor [16:24] pdc2, have you updated and upgraded your packages lately [16:25] pdc2` have you tried with apt ? [16:25] BluesKaj, yes I did sudo apt-get update/upgrade [16:26] BluesKaj, I have tried apt method [16:26] which ppa are you referring to? [16:26] BluesKaj, wine ppa [16:27] why a ppa , wine should be in the regular repos [16:27] BluesKaj, no i'm trying to tell you I have tried various methods to install wine and play on linux [16:28] oh also why can't I change the font on the digital clock anymore? [16:29] pdc2, does playonlinux show up in the package manager if you search in it [16:30] Upgrade still running. [16:30] BluesKaj, the version on wine in the regular repos in 1.6, I didnt mention that [16:31] I'm trying to track down the problem pdc2, by asking these questions since removing kde is not supposed to happen when installing wine or playonlinux [16:31] BluesKaj, yes it appears in the synaptic section. When i click on mark for installation it shows kde and its dependencies are going to be removed [16:32] pdc2, why are you using synaptic ..muon is the kde package manager [16:33] synaptic old as well [16:33] is [16:34] did you kubuntu-desktop to an existing ubuntu OS which has unity or gnome? [16:34] add [16:34] use aptitude. [16:34] aptitude will make no difference [16:35] that was in response to "why are you using synaptic" actually [16:35] BluesKaj, Yes i understand. Sorry if I come across as rude. English is not my first language [16:35] I have both kde and unity as DE. I think it's easier to use synaptic [16:36] BluesKaj* [16:37] well then whynot install playon linux in unity DE rather then KDE DE [16:37] then=than ...need my bifocals here [16:38] I added kde on top of ubuntu os, BluesKaj [16:38] I did try with both of them. like when I install playonlinux/wine, it installs without a fuss but when I reboot my computer both kde and unity are gone, BluesKaj [16:40] In KDE there are some features that are nice. On legacy netbook with xfce I forced some to have to by installing some applications from kde (konqueror, koffice). [16:40] pdc2, then you've done something out of sequence ...install kubuntu-desktop , it will take care of all the kde packages you need ...don't install kde as suchj [16:42] BluesKaj, ok thanks [16:43] May i ask which version of KDE is planned for 15.10 ? [16:43] 5.4 [16:43] Thanks :) [16:44] anna`, KDE no longer uses a number the latest desktop is called plasma 5.4 [16:44] i am not really sure i understand that answer BluesKaj [16:44] That's like saying your name doesn't have a colour in it [16:45] plasma 5.4 is buggy as hell [16:46] pdc2: BluesKaj advice is the best. When changing to another GUI (KDE or Gnome) you have to do this better on terminal session. I run there in trouble last year because I did not do this first. [16:46] anna`lets just say it's KDE , which now uses a desktop called plasma [16:46] Yer :) [16:46] There will be a new release of kbuntu based off ubuntu 15.10 using plasma 5.4, is that accurate? [16:49] anna`, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5 [16:49] Therefore my upgrade is running in terminal reached by strg+alt+F1. When X11 is shut down installation upgrade will still continue. [16:49] BluesKaj i don't quite understand why you're telling me this, i am aware that KDE is now KDE Plasma 5 [16:50] KSX, I'm running Kubuntu 15.10 beta with plasma 5.4 ...not nearly as buggy as 5.2 or 3 [16:51] anna`, just to clarify , there is no KDE5, that's the way it was expained to me [16:51] no, there is KDE Software Compilation and KDE Plasma Workspaces. [16:52] im running 5.3.2 and its so buggy that i was thinking about switching distro [16:52] i simply shortened the KDE Plasma to 'KDE' in my original question BluesKaj, that's all :) [16:52] KSX jump to 15.10 :D [16:53] 15.10, lol [16:53] also breeze dark is broken, but they fixed it in Frameworks. http://bugs.kde.org/347143 [16:53] KDE bug 347143 in Panel "Panel stays light when theme is set to 'Breeze Dark'" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] [16:54] upgrade is now more installing than unpacking packages. [16:54] KSX: why lol ? :) [16:54] ubottu, i had that problem [16:54] KSX: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:54] KSX: I'm using it here on my laptop and also on PC @ work :) [16:55] KSX, ubottu is an info bot [16:55] * anna` hugs KSX [16:57] ok [16:57] i should had known that.... [16:57] anna`, i didn't mean to be pedantic, merely a clarification since it bothers me that there's no official KDE5 [16:58] ok [16:58] im updating my system now, hope this will fix few bugs [16:59] KSX: updating ? [16:59] yep [16:59] to ? [16:59] "software update" [16:59] ah i thought you do version jumo [17:00] im on 15.04 [17:00] yes i know, and i thought you decided to jump to 15.10 [17:01] is it worth updating to 15.10? [17:01] uhm if you have a lot of problems with Vivid and Plasma 5.3.2 [17:01] it is worth trygin [17:02] well, i do have a lot of problems with this version [17:03] if software update dosent fix the issues, i try 15.10 [17:06] i feel like the old kde versions were better [17:07] KSX well Plasma 5 is prety young, pps have been ported to QT5 [17:07] so a lot of changes and some might cause problems [17:08] KSX, agreed, but the new plasma 5 has new "features" which to me are regressions [17:08] plasma 5 looks more modern but i miss the old design [17:09] modern is a matter of taste [17:09] today, modern= flat and simple [17:09] flat look isn't modern to me [17:10] BluesKaj, say that apple, microsoft and google [17:10] but I'm old [17:10] * BluesKaj shrugs [17:12] when i think of modern, i think of glass and transparency [17:13] like I said ...a mtter of taste :-) [17:13] yea [17:14] but it would be nice if plasma 5 looked more transparent/blurry like the panel in OSX === SonikkuAmerica is now known as Guest6294 [17:15] When I logged into my KDE 15.04 desktop at home this morning it was weird, my session was gone and I was in the login screen. The uptime indicated that the machine had not been rebooted. When I got to work just now and my laptop running Kubuntu 14.04 it was weird my session was gone and I was at the login screen. The uptime suggests the machine was not rebooted. [17:15] What happened! === littlebunnyfufu is now known as SonikkuAmerica [17:16] i;m not usre but i had situaton when system kicked me to login screen or even shutdown itself without any command :) [17:19] can i send the KDE team an email? [17:22] jakob, it probly went into sleep mode , check your power settings [17:22] oops SJr^ [17:30] KSX ,I'm sure there are various themes coming out soon ..plasma 5 is still in development so we have to wait a while [17:31] if i knew how to code, i would had helped the KDE team [17:34] all plasma needs is bug fixes, better wallpapers and transparency/blurr [17:39] i think plasma should focus more on the design [17:40] KSX, you could make your suggestions in# kde-devel [17:41] or #kde-devel even [17:41] SJr: Did you look into log-files of kde or output of dmesg in a xterm (terminal). That's first places to search? [17:41] why would they listen to me anyway..... [17:42] you give too easily :-) [17:42] up [17:42] KSX: I tried plasma a couple of times and switched off. [17:42] dieterd, what do you mean "switched off" ? [17:44] KSX: Changed installation to KDE without plasma (an KDE-Lite version for not so powerful hardware). [17:45] ok [17:45] kde-lite? [17:48] It was kde-10l-, kde-essentials, ... Less running fan. [17:51] Yeah.. Proablem solve by re-docking [17:53] upgrade still running. now xfce packages installed, expecting xfce going down soon. xfce menue lost some entries. [17:57] http://i.imgur.com/dP2P7iM.jpg p.s. my desktop. [17:59] my Desktop: http://imgur.com/sXgZNxI [17:59] also, why is Firefox so ... unfitting looking? [18:05] Hello guys! [18:05] hi SouL__ [18:05] Does somebody knows if there's something like this but for Kubuntu? https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fprint [18:07] can't you use this one ? it is ubuntu package so it sgloud work in kubuntu [18:08] What about the Plasma part? [18:08] It says Unity and Gnome [18:12] Install of Grub. I selected sda and sda5. When repair win i have to overwrite. i hope blocklist is working. blocklist has trobles sometimes with ext4 and a file in grub conf was always changed. [18:13] can i change with rescatux this later again? [18:15] dieterd, run sudo os-prober to find the windows installation then run sudo update-grub [18:19] BluesKaj: thanks. I will do later when upgrade is finished an successfully booted. Konversation an kwrite now only working during installation. others all dead now. [18:22] Why nobody uses the fingerprint reader? :'( [18:23] Fingerprint reader? [18:23] Yes please ugly_cat :/ [18:23] I want to login with my fingerprint [18:23] upgrade: Now 229 packages will be removed. Attention can take many hours. oh, what a big shock! [18:24] You could probably port this to KDE. I'm not sure though. I also don't have a fingerprint reader. [18:25] How many years of university do I need, ugly_cat? [18:26] Seriously? Zero technically. [18:27] Is there a guide then, for me to do it? [18:27] dieterd, run the update and upgrade and dist-upgrade , to bring all kernels modules and packages up to date [18:27] Join #kde-devel and ask about it. [18:29] I have to read a guide before asking lol... [18:30] now reboot is asked by installer. When not back in less hours, then all crashed. [18:30] less=fewer I hope [18:43] SouL__: as we use sddm maybe read this https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/284 [18:43] there is no fingerprint integration in Plasma 5 atm. [18:53] BluesKaj: Back. Reboot worked. Now 12.04. But takes a lot of more resources. 10.04 only used 350MB of memory, 12.04 now 900MB with not more than using Konversation, Dolphin and gmplayer with xfce. Yeah I had to reduce and purge some services there. [18:57] dieterd, so this pc is fairly old ? [18:57] more than 5 yrs? [19:05] BluesKaj: Yes. For surfing and some emails full ok. 1GRam, 2.6GHz CPU. [19:09] nepomukindexer uses a lot of CPU. [19:09] 3662 dieterd 39 19 70644 15m 9496 R 1.5 100 1:43.74 nepomukindexer [19:09] 2285 dieterd 20 0 94896 13m 10m S 1.3 1 0:11.26 xfce4-terminal [19:09] RAM is cheap nowadays...I increased mine to 6Gb on this 2008 pc [19:10] Mainboards max is 2G [19:11] dieterd, the nepomuuk and akonadi server can be turned off, saving some resources [19:19] BluesKaj: thanks found: http://ubuntuku.org/16/how-to-disable-nepomuk-akonadi/ [19:20] dieterd, good :-) [19:21] dieterd, as long as you don't need kamil, kontact and other PIM resources [19:21] kmail [19:24] This is so sad soee :( [19:56] Now I will restart if switched of services now stopped. [20:03] BluesKaj: Thanks, deaktivation saves over 300M memory. Before I startet Firefox - was like having a coffee for the next tab. [20:47] Hmm, having and issue where I'm unable to run any KDE apps on my crouton+xiwi+openbox session on my new cheap Chromebook Flip. Using Wily. Okay, okay, so I've created a house of cards there, not surprising that it fails :P [20:52] The error (in this case running Kate, but the problem persists for all KDE apps) is https://paste.kde.org/pxuloferb, I guess it's the lack of OpenGL? Hrmm. [20:52] HOLA [20:54] !es | ALBERTO_ [20:54] ALBERTO_: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. === regedit_ is now known as regedit [23:03] Okay so some things in KDE 5 irk me; there's no right-click button in the application menu for creating a desktop shortcut [23:14] Oh yea, related I hid desktop icons and I cant figure out how to show my desktop folder on my desktop now [23:16] shurtagul: right click to get into desktop properties [23:17] unlock it first , than change mode to folder view [23:30] Oh wow, I wasnt unlocking first [23:30] thanks === strayPup1 is now known as strayPuppy === duarte is now known as G3 === G3 is now known as duarte__ === duarte__ is now known as G3odestruidor