[03:22]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if i needed a hunting licence for the spider i just killed
[08:22] <davmor2> Azelphur: that's an impresively blank page for me ;)
[08:40] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08]  * leecowdrey_ morning
[09:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy No News is Good News Day! 😃
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> i thought no news day was april 18th? :-) http://www.newslite.tv/2011/04/18/on-this-day-in-1930-bbc-said-t.html
[10:18] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZSg-1z1V4g
[10:19] <davmor2> JamesTait: or more appropriately looking at news reports https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
[12:15] <Azelphur> davmor2: my cron job broke it, it's fixed now http://home.azelphur.com/speedtest-results/output.html
[12:15] <Azelphur> and it's better :P
[13:03] <daftykins> Azelphur: what's to say tests of such a nature aren't reflective of load on the testing node, rather than your own connection?
[13:06] <Azelphur> daftykins: my testing node is an i3 home server that doesn't do very much, I don't think that would be an issue
[13:07] <daftykins> ah
[13:18] <arsenip> is speedtest still considered impartial? i thought providers made sure they had conveniently healthy speedtest hops for their customers
[13:20] <daftykins> doesn't even work for us down here :)
[13:20] <daftykins> shows a max of 75% of real world download
[13:20] <Azelphur> arsenip: doesn't need to be - I'm pulling bandwidth statistics out of the router
[13:21] <Azelphur> so those results are the sum of speedtest.net + everything else on the connection, it's about as real world as you're going to get
[13:21] <arsenip> ohhh ok
[13:22] <arsenip> so drops in speed do seem to line up with speedtest then
[13:22] <Azelphur> Indeed they do, and of course the difference between speedtest.net download and router download is what I'm actually doing with the connection at the time of the test
[13:31] <diplo> Sharing the code Azelphur ?
[13:32] <diplo> Anyone use kindles or Nooks ?
[13:32] <diplo> I broke my screen yesterday, looking at getting a Paperwhite/Glo, looking for recommendations
[13:34] <Azelphur> diplo: could do, it'll only work if you have AsusWRT though
[13:35] <diplo> Ah OK, be nice to see the code though. What do you use to grab the info/store it?
[13:35] <Azelphur> I use speedtest-cli and AsusWRTs web panel
[13:35] <Azelphur> and I store it as a CSV
[13:36] <diplo> Ah right, nice and simple :)
[13:36] <Azelphur> maybe I'll spruce it up a bit and see if I can pull data direct off the router using SSH, so any Linux router could work
[13:38] <diplo> ssh on my draytek, but just awaiting delivery of my Witi board and then that'll be the new one
[13:41] <daftykins> hmm interesting little toy
[13:41] <diplo> the witi ?
[13:41] <daftykins> ja
[13:41] <diplo> yeah, popeys fault :D
[13:42] <Azelphur> does indeed look cool
[13:43] <Azelphur> shame it's no good for me though, I need a home server anyway
[13:43] <diplo> I've got one, but debating just using this for serving files witha  couple of 4TB drives
[13:44] <Azelphur> I have 4x5TB so that wouldn't help me
[13:45] <diplo> Dear god, that's some disk space!
[13:45] <diplo> Bet they aren't cheap
[13:45] <Azelphur> pretty cheap actually, my most recent one I bought for £67
[13:47] <diplo> That's cheaper than my 4TB :/
[13:47] <Azelphur> ;)
[13:47]  * Azelphur loves purse.io;
[13:48] <diplo> Get discounts for using it ? As drives are still £100+~
[13:48] <daftykins> still on 6 x 2TB here
[13:48] <Azelphur> diplo: yea, you get discounts for buying on Amazon using Bitcoin basically
[13:49] <diplo> oh nice, I keep meaning to investigate Bitcoins and then get to the cba
[13:49] <diplo> :)
[13:49] <daftykins> had a fun message from a friend whilst away in Wales, he'd bought 4 x 3TB but he only uses intel fakeRAID, which wasn't coming up properly - i told him he had to do a BIOS update to get the latest option ROM which supports the 3TB disks
[13:49] <diplo> Very interested in it though, obviously not enough though
[14:01] <diplo> Only issue I had with my 4tb was formatting them
[14:02] <diplo> parted et all needed me to do something different that I've forgotten
[14:02] <daftykins> formatting o0
[16:11] <daftykins> yay found that extension cable for my headphones for £11 delivered on www.custom-cable.co.uk - seems a good site
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> you can now sit 20ft away from your phone? :-D
[16:17] <Seeker> gotta be careful of that radiation
[16:17] <daftykins> nah they're earphones that are cabled only a few inches from the actual pieces, then a 3 foot extension cable connects between that and your device
[16:17] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be the herd of donkeys tripping over the headphone cable landing on daftykins that will require explaining :-)
[16:18] <daftykins> it has been funny for a while, losing a channel - volumes changing etc, so i need to get a new one
[16:18] <Myrtti> *i.m wondering should I buy a 20cm cable to connect my Arduino Uno and raspi so Id have less cable clutter at my knitting machine, but ive not located the raspi yet so its an academic question so far
[16:19] <daftykins> i think you should put more effort into your IRC disconnections first, Myrtti ;)
[16:20] <Myrtti> oh?
[16:20] <daftykins> well not super recent but from a couple of weeks ago perhaps
[16:20] <daftykins> i think you got k-lined at one point
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, Myrtti did ask about ssl links which i think was to do with that
[16:21] <Myrtti> yup, gave my permission to that before heading out to honeymoon
[16:21] <daftykins> ah reet
[16:21] <Myrtti> I was watchiing seaotters that day in Monterey
[16:21] <daftykins> where's that?
[16:22] <Myrtti> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02v03p1/big-blue-live-episode-1
[16:22] <daftykins> ah CA
[16:23] <Myrtti> problem was solved by disconnecting from oftc
[16:24] <daftykins> how was that causing freenode bouncing?
[16:24] <Myrtti> ssl cert problem of some sort, haven't had time to troubleshoot better but then again 'i dont use oftc for anything
[16:24] <Myrtti> because irssi got a major fit with the certs
[16:25] <Myrtti> it sometimes worked for days without a hitch and then fall over at random intervaols
[16:25] <daftykins> :(
[16:25] <daftykins> i still need to resolve SASL auth with irssi, to stop it connecting if it fails
[16:25] <daftykins> kornbluth fails me at times :D
[16:26] <Myrtti> sorry for typos btw, trying to take nail polish off so 'ive wrapped my right hand fingers with foil
[16:27] <daftykins> XD
[16:27] <Myrtti> gel nailpolish so it takes a bit of effort
[16:28] <daftykins> only time you catch me with nail products is removing paste from CPUs and heatsinks :P
[16:29] <Myrtti> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiuqCpqj_BU
[17:19] <diddledan> evenin
[17:20] <daftykins> o/
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> not out gallivanting?
[17:24] <diddledan> you forget, I'm a hermit
[17:24] <diddledan> I don't do physical access
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> gallivanting in a hermitage.... it's doable... :-)
[17:50] <diddledan> well besides it being an advert for a samsung phone on the macrumors site (insert cynicism here) don't you love adverts that you only notice once you finish reading the article and look around the rest of the page and wonder what it is that the advert told me was "available now on galaxy s6 and s6 edge"? i.e. the advert must have told me, when I wasn't watching it because I was busy reading the page, about something but the advert is now at the
[17:50] <diddledan>  end of it's playback when I finally notice it and so I have no idea what they were actually telling me
[17:51] <daftykins> i don't get ads :>
[17:51] <diddledan> it's surprising I got this one really. I installed adblock plus the other day so I guess I don't have it configured right
[17:52] <daftykins> i've found a lot better behaviour from ublock origin of late
[17:52] <daftykins> lower resource consumption
[17:55] <diddledan> this is a ball of weird quote: " it appears that Apple has quietly added a set-up process for the new "Hey Siri" feature coming to the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, thanks to a built-in M9 motion coprocessor"
[17:56] <diddledan> 1) hey siri isn't new. 2) motion?
[17:56] <diddledan> what does motion have to do with siri?
[17:59] <daftykins> heh
[17:59] <daftykins> looks like the writer had two sentences and glued them together
[18:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: #gnome15 is coming to life, sounds like there might be a revival effort, would be cool if you dropped by to offer advice when needed :)
[18:12] <diddledan> gnome15?
[18:13] <Azelphur> http://gnome15.org/
[18:13] <diddledan> *click*
[18:14] <diddledan> aah, ok
[18:14] <Azelphur> diddledan: I already convinced them to be clever and keep the backend modular, so we can have a generic macro frontend for all gaming keyboards with macro keys :D
[18:15] <daftykins> for all the 1 users using one ;)
[18:18] <Azelphur> loads of people have gaming keyboards :o
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> and loads of geeks have gamey keyboards from eating and drinking over them
[18:22] <daftykins> pfft
[18:22] <daftykins> i tried looking for a new mechanical the other day, everyone ruins the layout now
[18:22] <daftykins> very irritating
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> lets add multimedia buttons
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> lets move the arrow keys
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> lets change the size of shift buttons and move keys a few mm
[18:27] <daftykins> they... they started putting Fn keys in on desktop mechanicals =|
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> and some oses want you to press fn to use function buttons f1-f12...
[18:28] <daftykins> i noticed Lenovo like doing a toggle function for that now, you have to pick which you prefer in the BIOS
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> these people need taking out and beaten with an ibm model m till they learn the golden rule
[18:28] <daftykins> kinda makes sense for a laptop to have the Fn+F# function as default
[18:32] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: I've got a HP laptop that does that, you have to change the bios if you want to use F1/F2 etc without pressing the function key
[18:33] <daftykins> mmm
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> which on a new laptop is annoying or been called to fix something on someone elses laptop
[18:34] <DJones> Yes, very annoying
[18:35] <DJones> HP G72 as the specific model
[18:36] <DJones> Once set, it stays set, so its no problem to the regular user, but as zmoylan-pi says, annoying if you're fixing somebody elses laptop and don't expect it
[19:12] <diddledan> err: http://www.dabs.com/learnmore/computers/recreated-zx-spectrum/
[19:12] <diddledan> it's expensive and seems to be purely a controller
[19:13] <diddledan> i.e. it's not a recreation of the sinclair
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> yeah a bad bt keyboard... lots of those about already
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> the vega is a zx spectrum clone but it's nothing special either
[19:14] <zmoylan-pi> if they wanted to be different they could have made a tablet running zx spectrum.  just add keyboard :-)
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> i'd love a pda style spectrum like this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/spectrum_competition_winner/
[19:25] <diddledan> wow, popey , peppercarrot.com is beautiful - thanks for the link (via: podcast)
[19:38] <diddledan> wow. freebsd has fixed a bug that had been in the kernel since 1997!
[19:38] <diddledan> (bsd kernel, not loonorks)
[19:40] <diddledan> ref: https://blog.crashed.org/dont-backout/
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> and undid other bug fixes since 1996? :-)
[19:49] <diddledan> well that's it - other people have hit the same problem and might have patched their usage as evidenced by the fact the original mlockall bug never got fixed. so now the mlockall is fixed does that mean all those byproduct patches are invalid?
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> it's the game every developer plays 'code kerplunk' :-D
[20:08] <diddledan> lol
[20:08] <diddledan> keep pulling threads until it all falls over?
[20:08] <diddledan> sometimes refered to as jenga too
[20:25] <foobarry> is it safe to get kernel 4.1 yet?
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> with jenga you can rebuild.  with kerplunk you have 99% of the previous structure still in place exactly like when you started
[20:26] <diddledan> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/11/gchq-password-advice
[20:26] <directhex> foobarry: i've put mainline 4.2 on my laptop
[20:26] <foobarry> which distro directhex ?
[20:26] <directhex> trusty
[20:27] <foobarry> i have really bad wifi
[20:27] <foobarry> i wanted to try the new intel firmware but they only have the new stuff for 4.1+
[20:27] <directhex> yeah, my wifi isn't supported by the kernel
[20:27] <foobarry> hm
[20:27] <directhex> unimaginably gad closed source driver
[20:27] <foobarry> my other laptop works fine at home
[20:27] <foobarry> intel 7260
[20:27] <directhex> 11ac chip, driver supports 11g maximum
[20:28] <zmoylan-pi> no need to have different passwords for everything... isnt that just making their job easier?
[20:28] <foobarry> brought my work laptop home and it sucks on my wifi and at work too
[20:28] <directhex> and drops open connections constantly (eg ssh)
[20:28] <foobarry> yes directhex i have that too
[20:28] <foobarry> pings dorp
[20:28] <foobarry> and connection does too
[20:28] <foobarry> http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/CS-034398.htm syas i need 4.1 for the new stuff although no changellogs
[20:30] <foobarry> even irc is laggy
[20:30] <foobarry> laggy
[20:31] <foobarry> 10s lag
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> well irc is often under ddos attack
[20:32] <foobarry> no its my irtc  sessionand my ssh
[20:32] <foobarry> and pings
[20:32] <foobarry> i can't even see what i'm typing
[20:33] <foobarry> directhex: which rep/instructions did you follow?
[20:33] <foobarry> repo*
[20:33] <directhex> foobarry: i used the mainline kernels deb
[20:34] <directhex> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.2-unstable/ - you need the headers, headers-generic and image-generic debs
[20:34] <foobarry> ta#
[20:34] <foobarry> mainline is safe?
[20:34] <foobarry> i thouht ubuntu added stuffs
[20:35] <directhex> they do.
[20:35] <directhex> but i wanted 4.2, and there's no trusty 4.2 deb yet
[20:35] <foobarry> realised i haven't got lts-vivid installed
[20:36] <foobarry> will try that with the newer firmware
[20:36] <directhex> start with that
[20:44] <popey> diddledan: good isn't it?
[20:44] <diddledan> popey: it's great!
[20:44] <diddledan> I love the style
[20:47] <foobarry> seems better already on 3.19
[20:47] <foobarry> with a different firmware
[20:47] <foobarry> someone on askubuntu said it didn't fix for them. will have to try at work. never realised until today that it was just me losing wifi connection in meetings all the time
[21:11] <directhex> i had to do evil things to make my wifi work on 4.2
[21:13] <directhex> https://twitter.com/directhex/status/641280768761823232
[21:16] <popey> for me 4.2 introduced massive slowdown on heavy IO
[21:17] <popey> like, completely unusable when a bit of IO happens
[21:17] <directhex> for me it made my laptop usable
[21:17] <directhex> on trusty's kernel, i was getting intel_powerclamp going mad & throttling me down to nothing
[21:17] <directhex> load avg >8 most of the time
[21:18] <popey> yeah, i had powerclamp issues here too
[21:19] <directhex> i'm waiting for lts-wily
[21:19] <directhex> rather than using mainline
[21:20] <directhex> grr, car still not done charging