[04:50] <mapps> hi all;]
[05:56] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:31] <bujji> rm: cannot remove ‘1.zip’: Input/output error
[10:31] <bujji> hello
[10:31] <bujji> daftykins: halo
[10:38] <bujji> hi
[11:16] <leecowdrey_> Bujji, problem?
[11:17] <leecowdrey_> Guess not ;)
[12:31] <foobarry> oh, all4 (4od) is working under firefox :-|
[12:40] <penguin42> heck, that's a record, now if someone can get five.tv to work
[12:49] <awilkins> GRARRRRR
[12:50] <awilkins> python-qrtools
[12:50] <awilkins> Project on launchpad
[12:50] <awilkins> No docs page (that I can find)
[12:50] <awilkins> ANNOYING
[12:53] <awilkins> Ok, anyone know of a method of QR decoding for Python that works well on Raspberry pi
[12:53] <awilkins> THe use case is - wave a QR code in front of the camera module, scan code, read data
[13:11] <foobarry> penguin42: it's asking for flash v15
[13:11] <foobarry> :-|
[17:33] <penguin42> postoffice in Manc city centre has got very neat; self service stamp printing
[17:48] <daftykins> :O
[17:48] <daftykins> nice
[17:49] <penguin42> select the country, weigh the letter, confirm that you're not trying to ship anything dangerous, pay, prints the stamp
[17:51] <penguin42> is the dnf system upgrade to 23 working reasonably solidly now?
[17:58] <Myrtti> Cambridge has the same
[18:04] <DJones> Is that not called a franking machine......
[18:04] <penguin42> DJones: Possibly; it was integrated into a general self-service till
[18:05] <DJones> Must admit, slight difference is ours at work doesn't ask whether we're shipping anything dangerous
[18:06] <daftykins> you must be well trained and accountable :)
[18:06] <penguin42> DJones: I don't think normally the staff at a post office do; but this just displayed the standard list of stuff and asked you to tap through
[18:07] <DJones> A bit different anyway, I suspect its just a case of the post office cutting staff for automated systems
[18:07] <penguin42> DJones: Yes, it worked great
[18:08] <penguin42> DJones: It's one of those post offices that has always had a huge queue (centre of Manc) and they completely redid it about a year ago, and have been trying new tech there - e.g. machines to get a ticket based on what operation you want to do, and now these self-servs
[18:08] <penguin42> (I think they used it for filming Life on Mars at one point before it got redone - inside it was very 70s architecture)
[18:09] <daftykins> :D
[18:10] <DJones> I took a cheque to the bank this morning, completely changed from last time I went, gone the 6 bank tellers, except for 2, only one working, but two "staff"walking the floor trying to persuade people to use the automated machines for everything
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> as soon as they can make a bot to roam to do the persuading...
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder what ed-209 is doing these days... :-)
[18:13] <daftykins> DJones: haha i saw that in an HSBC locally, found it really confusing as i saw a queue for the normal teller
[18:14] <DJones> This was a nat west
[18:14] <daftykins> normally i'd be all-for progress, but there's something truly confirming about a teller giving you confirmation, versus just tapping something in and hoping it'd work
[18:14] <DJones> Iguess they're all going the same way
[18:14] <daftykins> haha that reminds me actually, i walked in and saw my girlfriends brother - and he says to me "hello hello, does my sister know you're here?" :D
[18:14] <DJones> Yeah agree  with that, I want a receipt when I pay a cheque in, not a scrappy bit of paper
[18:26] <SuperEngineer> I've been away for 5 days & just found I can't sign in to Steam. Brain went: 1/ are they off line; 2/ take action in case of hacking; 3/ I'm too releaxed - can't be ars**d, save some monry & ignore it  :D
[18:27] <daftykins> XD
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> & now I'm back in... the relaxed attituded worked!  ;)
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> *attitude
[18:35] <penguin42> DJones: The natwest machines certainly used to give a receipt that included a scan of the cheque being paid in
[18:36] <DJones> penguin42: Never seen them do that before, still wouldn't trust them not to get the shredder mixed up with the paying in machine
[18:37] <penguin42> DJones: Yeh, I prefer humans for paying in, but a receipt with a scan seems reasoanble
[18:38] <DJones> I'd have to know I was getting a receipt with a scan before I'd use it, so catch 22, won;t use it without receipt, without receipt I won't use it, so....Reallife cashier for me
[18:39] <penguin42> DJones: Yeh I normally ask one of the floorwalkers to confirm it will give a scan
[18:40] <DJones> Might be a case they've only just put the machines in, I'll wait for a while
[18:40] <penguin42> DJones: Oh, the last time I did this was 5-10 years ago
[18:40] <penguin42> (in natwest)
[18:46] <popey> penguin42: ooh, wonder what size post offices will have those machines, sounds handy for people like me who can never figure out the obscure rules for postage
[18:47] <penguin42> popey: This is the manchester 'main' postoffice, so a pretty big one
[18:47] <popey> hmm
[18:48] <penguin42> probably 10 or so counter positions
[18:48] <penguin42> and now 3 self service
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> will self service use reduce bank charges...
[20:13]  * penguin42 doesn't have any bank charges
[22:15] <mapps> hm free samsung tablet when switching to sky
[22:15] <mapps> i never got anything;[
[22:17]  * zmoylan-pi passes the aspirin
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> no charge
[22:17] <mapps> heh
[22:17] <mapps> thanks
[22:18] <mapps> anyone watch this goggle box? my dad keeps taking about it
[22:18] <mapps> talkin
[22:18] <daftykins> as in a program called that or any TV? :D
[22:18] <mapps> the program, some ch4 show
[22:19] <mapps> http://www.skyoffersnewcustomers.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-tab-4-sky-tv/
[22:19] <daftykins> i don't think such a 'gift' can atone for what Sky does :)
[22:19] <mapps> hmm
[22:19] <mapps> skys cheap though compared to bt
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> but on the plus side you now don't have a samsung tablet with security issues in the software
[22:25] <penguin42> BT keep trying to get us to do broadband through them, well *** get infinity on our streetbox then
[22:25] <daftykins> hehe
[22:26] <daftykins> someone local got a call from BT once, trying to sell a product too
[22:26] <daftykins> bit hard when they don't operate in the Channel Islands :>
[22:26] <mapps> heh
[22:26] <mapps> hmm bt infinity is expensive tho
[22:27] <mapps> i have sky fibre and its like 50 a month or something, seems a lot really?
[22:27] <daftykins> what speeds?
[22:27] <mapps> 80mbit it says
[22:27] <daftykins> makes me cringe the way they're always saying it's a fibre service
[22:27] <daftykins> funny that there's more often than not some copper or coax coming into the property :>
[22:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/71o5et5i95b16f3/IMG_20150912_233228.jpg?dl=0
[22:34] <daftykins> :D
[22:34] <penguin42> yeh I complained to advertising standards about that more than 10 years ago (when virgin started doing that trick) and they said that since no one was actually doing fibre they wouldn't do anything
[22:35] <daftykins> hahaha
[22:35] <daftykins> so it doesn't matter that it's wrong, only if someone is doing it for real and they're wrong
[22:37] <mapps> moving is a pain
[22:38] <mapps> 3 suitcases 1 gym bag, my work bag full, travel bag and my ash basket full of stuff
[22:38] <mapps> having to make 3 trips to move it to my friends first
[22:38] <daftykins> this between your rented pads down on the rock?
[22:40] <mapps> well from current place to friend (3min walk)stay with him 3 days then move to new place
[22:40] <mapps> estate agents bugging us for last months rent £1250 right..we paid £1550 deposit
[22:40] <mapps> dont see why we should pay anymore
[22:41] <mapps> plus i dont have the money atm, because when i got thi new place they wanted months rent and deposit
[22:41] <mapps> £1500 deposit 1k rent
[22:41] <mapps> im certain if we pay we'll have to beg for our deposit back
[22:42] <daftykins> hrmm surely paying that rent and getting the deposit back is the same as paying them £300
[22:42] <mapps> yea
[22:43] <mapps> but they want last months rent then they can make us be for it
[22:43] <mapps> estate agents always do this
[22:58] <mapps> ep6 of narcos now
[23:06] <daftykins> TV, the healthiest of your habits :)
[23:06] <daftykins> hey mapps i was just in Wales doing some downhill mountain biking \o/
[23:09] <mapps> cool:D
[23:09] <mapps> isnt that far from you
[23:09] <penguin42> wales has lots of mountains
[23:11] <daftykins> mapps: yeah we took the boat then roadtripped up
[23:11] <daftykins> penguin42: and very very poor roads, as we discovered!
[23:12]  * penguin42 hasn't been very far into wales; it's a real pain to get to from Manc by public transport
[23:13] <daftykins> ah probably only one train link in?
[23:13] <daftykins> £13.10 on the Severn bridge was a bit ouch
[23:14] <mapps> 13.10 for what
[23:14] <mapps> how long did it take to get to wales
[23:14] <daftykins> hrmm couple of hours drive i think
[23:14] <daftykins> toll for the bridge
[23:15] <penguin42> daftykins: Well, it's easy to get to Chester, and go from there, but the way that goes along to Rhyl etc along the edge just takes ages from Manc
[23:15] <mapps> oh
[23:15] <daftykins> mapps: we took the ferry to Portsmouth overnight
[23:17] <penguin42> wales is a bit of a way from portsmouth isn't it?
[23:18] <daftykins> sure is
[23:18] <daftykins> but we had a van with us and our bikes
[23:18] <penguin42> ah
[23:18] <daftykins> and sadly only Portsmouth and Poole are sailing destinations for Condor ferries now
[23:27] <leecowdrey_> Deposits should be lodged with external registered agency and not the landlord, still not perfect but it helps
[23:28] <daftykins> that might not be law in Gibraltar
[23:29] <leecowdrey_> It's not law regardless just best practice for new rental agreements for landlords and tenants
[23:29] <leecowdrey_> Covers both parties
[23:30] <daftykins> yeah i guess 'law' was a bad choice of word, i used to be a landlord
[23:30] <leecowdrey_> Gibraltar I would of thought given the money flowing in/out would do similar
[23:30] <leecowdrey_> But some landlords don't play that way
[23:43] <mapps> gah not tired
[23:43] <mapps> mind's spinning