[00:00] <Colos> bprompt thank you so much for all your help and guiding me. it was a big help, saved me days of suffer :) i guess i will stick to the kde 4x for a while and tryy to customise it with alternative file manager etc
[00:00] <Colos> Cu mate! and thanks again!
[00:00] <bprompt> np
[00:01] <OfficerWagStaff> I think I have decent setup
[00:01] <bprompt> Colos:    and if you don't like kwin, you can always check for other "window managers", some are fancy, some are more minimalistic
[00:01] <OfficerWagStaff> Sysinfo for 'lhorace-desktop': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.2.2 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-28-generic, CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G at 3100 MHz, RAM: 3417/5849 MB, Storage: 140/455 GB, 220 procs, 2.51h up
[00:06] <yugdrix> hi guys
[00:07] <soee_> hiho yugdrix
[00:39] <austin6598> can i make kubuntu a live usb?
[00:42] <OfficerWagStaff> Kubuntu just crash again
[01:17] <CyberGlo> hi, how do i turn on trim for my ssd ?
[02:06] <Agssz> hello
[02:16] <jacob_> hello
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:39] <future_> the upcoming new version of UBUNTU/KUBUNTU ... what REFORMS are planned, are they fundamental?
[08:39] <future_> where can I find information about that?
[08:55] <future_> the upcoming new version of UBUNTU/KUBUNTU ... what REFORMS are planned, are they fundamental?
[08:55] <future_> where can I find information about that?
[10:27] <napoleaoV> hello, I am using Kubuntu with plasma5.4, my computer is a laptop, when using the laptop everything looks fine, but when connecting to my external monitor (samsung) the fonts dont look correct, any idea what could be?
[10:43] <bcrazy> hi
[10:44] <bcrazy> First time using IRC for me.
[10:44] <anna`> napoleaoV: how does plasma 5.2 look on 15.04 ?
[10:45] <anna`> bcrazy: i highly recommend you stop now, i joined once; that was 15+ years ago
[10:45] <anna`> Shit be like crack 'yo
[10:46] <KSX> bcrazy, welcome to IRC!
[10:47] <anna`> Don't encourage them!
[10:47] <bcrazy> KSX. Thanks. Still a little bit confuse on how to find the room which interest me.
[10:47] <anna`> Try /list but some set +i invisible
[10:47] <lordievader> !alis | bcrazy
[10:48] <bcrazy> Oh thanks
[10:50] <KSX> bcrazy, http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/irc-is-back-heres-your-starter-guide--net-31369
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:58] <Okitain> BluesKaj: heya
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi Okitain
[11:38] <napoleaoV> anna` looks great, but few bugs, so I did upgrade to 5.4
[11:49] <wisse> Hi, trying to install kubuntu on an old Vista machine. Windows 10 is already running, but I dont succeed in installing any distro. Tried Mint, Debian, Kubuntu, Lubuntu...something stalls the installation...
[11:49] <wisse> kernel panic
[11:52] <anna`> i would look at AHCI/RAID/ATA in BIOS
[11:52] <BluesKaj> wisse, does the live-cd/dvd  run the OS if you choose "try kubuntu" ?
[11:52] <wisse> yes
[11:53] <Okitain> wisse: have you tried reading on what the kernel panic is caused by?
[11:54] <wisse> Itś something about Corrupt CPU or something. But I will try to find out the exact message...
[11:55] <wisse> Ill have to try Mint again caus thatś the only one whos dropping me back in a shell, the otherones just stall
[11:57] <BluesKaj> wisse, at what point do you get the kernel panic ?
[12:00] <wisse> its pretty random. sometimes installing seems to succeed but then suddenly gets terminated,
[12:02] <Okitain> wisse: what architecture is the machine and the Win10 installation?
[12:02] <wisse> ill first try to reconstruct the exact kernel panic message...guess that will make it easier to deteminate the problem...
[12:02] <wisse> ill be back :o)
[12:03] <Okitain> (your CPU might be indeed faulty so you can maybe avoid the corrupt instructions by using a different instruction set, wisse)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> hmm, windows 10 might be difficult to run on corrupt cpu, don't you think ?
[12:05] <wisse> thought so too
[12:06] <BluesKaj> wisse, have you prepartitioned the drive with ext4 ready to accept a Linux install?
[12:06] <Okitain> Well, win10 might be x86 and kubuntu might be x86_64 so kubuntu would crash while win10 wouldn't, BluesKaj
[12:08] <wisse> yep, ext4...
[12:08] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:08] <wisse> all distros i tried were 32-bit
[12:09] <BluesKaj> and your windows 10?
[12:09] <wisse> also
[12:09] <BluesKaj> what about your system architecture, assume it's 32bit?
[12:10] <wisse> yes
[12:11] <Okitain> wisse: is it an Atom or something? By 2006 Intel didn't actually make any 32 bit CPU
[12:11] <BluesKaj> or was the machine a 64bit with with 32bit vista originally ...wife
[12:11] <BluesKaj> has one
[12:15] <BluesKaj> wisse, boot into windows 10, look at computer properties , it will the show the true architecture of your system
[12:15] <wisse> ok, checking
[12:16] <wisse> crap, its updating...
[12:17] <BluesKaj> some 64 bit computers came with 32 bit Windows Vista back then, the wife bought one by mistake, she was tricked by the 64 bit logo on it
[12:19] <wisse> hmm, seems to be a 32bits OS with x64 processor...
[12:20] <BluesKaj> then you have a 64bit pc
[12:20] <wisse> got tricked to i guess
[12:21] <wisse> so installing a 64 bit distro should work then?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> but that doesn't really explain the kernel panic, the 32 bit OS should run fine on it
[12:22] <wisse> im going to initiate the panic right now...
[12:22] <BluesKaj> yes 64 bit will take advantage of memory above 4G for one advantage
[12:24] <Okitain> ...and also occasionally eat 2x more memory...
[12:25] <BluesKaj> wisse, have you added meneory to your pc?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> err memory even?
[12:26] <Okitain> we are throwing stuff at the wall here to see what sticks
[12:27] <kahbenya> hey
[12:27] <kahbenya> when i run "qdbus org.kde.kglobalaccel"
[12:27] <kahbenya> i get the following error
[12:27] <kahbenya> Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
[12:27] <kahbenya> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[12:28] <kahbenya> I get a similar error if i run kwin_x11 --replace
[12:28] <kahbenya> system says did not receive a reply from "kwin"
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Okitain, it's hard to know what causes kernel panic without  looking at the logs if that's even possible
[12:29] <kahbenya> when I start up and login the screen is black and then the desktop shows up after maybe 1/2 hour to an hour
[12:29] <kahbenya> any ideas
[12:29] <kahbenya> ?
[12:29] <wisse> it says Hardware Error Machine check Processor context corrupt....
[12:30] <Gd_> I want to install kubuntu
[12:30] <wisse> kernel panic - not syncing: fatal machine check
[12:30] <Gd_> Please help
[12:31] <Okitain> Gd_: do official instruction not help you? ask concrete questions please.
[12:32] <Gd_> I  Installed it from lubuntu terminal
[12:32] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, which graphics card?
[12:32] <kahbenya> nvidia
[12:32] <Gd_> But it is not running
[12:32] <kahbenya> Geforce gtx 650 ti
[12:32] <BluesKaj> nvidia what?
[12:34] <Okitain> Gd_: have you run dpkg-reconfigure sddm (or kdm if you have kde4)
[12:37] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, drop to a VT/TTY and login then update and upgrade , then sudo apt install nvidia-355, then reboot
[12:41] <BluesKaj> wisse, dunno if 64bit will work , but it's worth a try
[12:42] <napoleaoV> any ideas why my kubuntu looks different regarding fonts when using a external monitor?(using the laptop screen logs great)
[12:42] <napoleaoV> looks even
[12:45] <wisse> BluesKaj; I guess its worth the try...
[12:52] <kahbenya> had to move to another machine
[12:52] <kahbenya> did not install nvidia-355
[12:52] <kahbenya> package not present
[12:52] <kahbenya> installed nvidia-346
[12:52] <kahbenya> going to reboot now
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:03] <RavindraSisodia> hi
[13:07] <Okitain> Anyone have this problem that KDE trash doesn't allow to clean itself while in filemanager?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, i assumed you were running 15.04, the 355 driver should be available.
[13:12] <kahbenya> i am on 15.04
[13:12] <kahbenya> apt-cache search nvidia
[13:12] <kahbenya> no nvidia-355 in the list
[13:13] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, the same behaviour as described is still present
[13:13] <kahbenya> dropped to a tty and ran startx
[13:13] <kahbenya> seeing a black screen with mouse pointer and nothing else
[13:13] <kahbenya> on reboot login screen did not come up
[13:14] <mafaldo> kahbenya, try alt + space
[13:14] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, ok , in the VT, sudo systemctl enable sddm, then startx
[13:18] <kahbenya> mafaldo, nothing happens
[13:18] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, the same thing happens
[13:18] <kahbenya> black screen with cursor
[13:21] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, perhaps a regression to the 340 driver, but otherwise I have no clue unless you haven't rebooted
[13:21] <kahbenya> i have rebooted
[13:22] <kahbenya> i noticed that if i login at the tty as another user and run startx the desktop comes up
[13:22] <kahbenya> noticed an issue with the clock display but nothing else in the experience is an issue
[13:22] <kahbenya> my main profile however has to wait for a long time to come up
[13:24] <kahbenya> in .xsession-errors I have this message " failed to get dbus path for component "kwin" QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply", "Did not receinve a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
[13:25] <BluesKaj> then you obviously need to change some setttings in your main profile,  kah
[13:25] <BluesKaj> kahbenya,^
[13:25] <kahbenya> i get a similar message for "khtokeys"
[13:25] <kahbenya> alright
[13:25] <kahbenya> which settings ?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> most likely your desktop effects or monitor/display
[13:28] <oozak> seems like a dbus problem
[13:29] <kahbenya> oozak, is there a way to trouble shoot it
[13:30] <kahbenya> BlueKaj, i have looked in the .kde folder but i am not sure which files to look at
[13:30] <oozak> which version of KDE are you running?
[13:30] <kahbenya> as oozak said it seems to be an issue with dbus, but i dont know which files to check
[13:31] <kahbenya> kdelibs-bin 4:4.14.8-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1
[13:33] <kahbenya> kwin-x11 4:5.3.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1
[13:36] <BluesKaj> which ppa is that from ?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> I don't know whether it's  adbus thing or not, the plasma 5 dektop has a lot of problems integrating with kde4 Qt4 and 5 in my experience. You can try to rm -rf ~/.kde in your original profile , but to me that's a bit drastic
[13:37] <kahbenya> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kbuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu vivid main
[13:37] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, renamed the ~/.kde and still had the same issue on main profile
[13:45] <boys> boys I want to change resolution of my secondary monitor, it's fucked up, tried like 5 distros so far my resolution was always messed up, maximum is like 1300xsomething and supported is 1680x1050 that's all, I don't know why this shit happens, it's connected through VGA / DVI connector, it's like DVI-D or something, my secondary monitor does not support DVI it's through VGA, it's an old monitor, unlike my main DVI monitor
[14:00] <BluesKaj> boys please watch your langauge first of all. Now what kind of gpu are you running into what type of monitors?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, think perhaps a regreesion to the 340 driver might be worth a try
[14:02] <boys> BluesKaj: nvidia
[14:03] <kahbenya> BluesKaj
[14:03] <kahbenya> alrite
[14:03] <kahbenya> will try
[14:05] <BluesKaj> boys, if the nvidia driver detects an old monitor the resolution it gives the monitor is determined by it's capabilities
[14:15] <kahbenya> boy, i had a similar issue , i used nvidia-settings to create a xorg.conf with the current settings and then edited the section for the older monitor to increase the vertrefresh to 56.0 - 76.0 and then rebooted
[14:15] <kahbenya> this works
[14:16] <kahbenya> i have in the past added a metamodes option to include the resolution i need but havent done that in recent times
[14:16] <kahbenya> maybe you could try that
[14:16] <Okitain> Can anyone check this bug I have?
[14:24] <akik> back in the day the configuration was totally manual with modelines
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Okitain, i just enable the delete option in dolphin>settings>configure dolphin>services if I have problems wih trash. Sorry,but I can't reproduce your issue , but you could check in /var/log/syslog for errors related to dolphin trash
[14:25] <akik> there's still tools to create those modelines, gtf and cvt
[14:26] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, regression does not work
[14:26] <kahbenya> where are the logs for dbus
[14:27] <BluesKaj>  /var/log/syslog most likely
[14:27] <kahbenya> havent seen anything useful there
[14:28] <BluesKaj> maybe the xorg log then
[14:31] <Okitain> BluesKaj: wait so in your case the clean action in trash in dolphin works?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:31] <Okitain> BluesKaj: huh. I'll try in live and see what changes.
[14:38] <yossarianuk> hi - in Kubuntu 15.04/15.10 by default the GTK3(I think) theme is not functional - i.e you canot see when buttons/checkboxes are.
[14:39] <yossarianuk> I have tried  orion + oxygen-gtk - if you are not aware where the buttons are in some apps you just cannot see them
[14:39] <yossarianuk> if I select gtk3 theme -> default I can.
[14:39] <yossarianuk> why is this - is there a fix ?
[14:47] <anna`> i've experienced the tick boxes issue too
[14:47] <anna`> Bit frustrating
[14:56] <TJ-> There is a similar theme issue with standard KDE themes too, on 15.10. When the dark theme is selected the entries in list boxes are painted white-on-white. The only entries visible are those selected
[14:57] <yossarianuk> well choosing 'default' does sort it.
[14:58] <yossarianuk> how come it happens in kde though and not other desktops?
[14:59] <TJ-> It sounds like the colour settings are incorrect/incomplete
[15:00] <yossarianuk> is there an existing open bug on this?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> over half of the the desktop themes I installed in 15.10 aren't listed
[15:10] <BluesKaj> same for colour themes
[15:15] <RavindraSisodia> Am i connected
[15:16] <RavindraSisodia> ????
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ralsina, yes
[15:17] <BluesKaj> oops not now
[15:23] <Okitain> Well someone didn't have a good opportunity to talk
[15:27] <BluesKaj> couldn't wait more the 2 mins for an answer
[15:27] <BluesKaj> the=than
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the era of instant gratification
[15:28] <droogel__> anyone know of a channel concerned with mp3 file format/specification. Can't find one anywhere?
[18:06] <Knight80> Hello everyone
[18:12] <finetundra__> hello Knight80
[18:13] <Knight80> finetundra__ How are you?
[18:13] <finetundra__> I am well friend, and yourself?
[18:13] <Knight80> I'm fine, thank you :)
[18:14] <Knight80> I need some help, I installed Konsole on my Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 and I need to activate sound notifications, but they don't work...
[18:14] <finetundra__> Hmm, sadly I've no experience there
[18:15] <Knight80> Don't worry :)
[18:21] <Kyzen> test
[18:22] <finetundra__> Kyzen: hello
[18:23] <Kyzen> Hi
[19:03] <krise> i paired my sony wireless headset with my laptop (bluetooth) but the sound quality is really bad. Does anyone know what might be the problem
[19:34] <DDR> Hi. How do I run a script from a TTY (ctrl-alt-1) with my graphical x server (ctrl-alt-7) as the target?
[19:34] <DDR> Plasma took a dive, and I have a script called 'restart-plasma.sh'. But I don't have an open terminal here, so I can't run it.
[19:36] <yossarianuk> hi - do people here generally enable preload for their desktops?
[19:40] <DDR> ?
[19:41] <DDR> (What's preload.)
[19:46] <Okitain> yossarianuk: preload what? LD_PRELOAD?
[19:49] <Knight80> Hello everyone
[19:50] <Knight80> I'm on Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 and sound isn't working since I installed Konsole terminal emulator
[19:50] <Knight80> Will you please help me out?
[19:52] <soee_> Knight80: maybe it is better to ask on #ubuntu
[19:56] <DDR> When I enable drag-window-to-move-virtual-desktop, all my window decorations go away and I can't raise or lower windows.
[19:57] <DDR> Does anyone have any ideas? It's kind of bizarre.
[19:57] <DDR> Selecting 'move to desktop' from the window titlebar right-click menu works just fine.
[20:04] <frecel> ahoneybun: just checked the news after not having access to the internet for a few days, congrats on getting on the council
[20:04] <Unit193> You misspelled 'condolences'
[20:08] <frecel> Unit193: haha he should be fine as long as they are not talking about money
[20:16] <frecel> Is anyone here using 15.10?
[20:25] <ahoneybun> thanks frecel
[20:25] <ahoneybun> I am btw
[20:25] <ahoneybun> Unit193: :P
[20:25] <KSX> <---
[20:26] <soee_> frecel: yes
[20:27] <frecel> soee_: I'm wondering if I should move my office desktop to 15.10, it's running KDE4 on top of Debian right now
[20:27] <soee_> frecel: hard to say, i would say tets Plasma 5 first than decide
[20:28] <soee_> some people loves Plasma 5 some prefere KDE 4
[20:29] <soee_> i love Plasma 5 and have it now on my laptop, PC @ work and also my parents use it on their :)
[20:30] <frecel> soee_: I really liked plasma5 when I tried it but there were few bugs in there that made me decide that I don't want to use it on the machine I actually work on
[20:31] <soee_> frecel: what bugs ?
[20:31] <frecel> soee_: if compositing was on I would see a black screen with a pointer on it
[20:32] <frecel> soee_: with compositing off it worked fine
[20:32] <frecel> soee_: the drivers were working btw. I played games on that machine
[20:35] <ahoneybun> I would stick with the LTS or Debian for a office pc atm
[20:39] <frecel> I kind of want to use the LTS but then I look at when the repos were frozen and then I don't anymore
[20:43] <KSX> guys, what ssd would you recommend for kubuntu?
[20:43] <KSX> or linux in general
[20:46] <Okitain> KSX: it's not rocket science, just get an SSD with a good size and reliability.
[20:47] <KSX> k, but ssds have different firmware and stuff....
[20:47] <soee_> KSX: hard to say - depends how much you can spend :)
[20:47] <soee_> i have crucial
[20:47] <Okitain> TRIM commands are issued automatically for Ext4 and BtrFS
[20:48] <Okitain> KSX: every SSD that has a SATA port works, really
[20:48] <KSX> ok
[20:50] <Okitain> KSX: also see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Pre-Purchase_Considerations
[20:50] <Okitain> and the rest for how to enable the auto-TRIM commands or trim-by-timer
[20:51] <KSX> k, thx
[21:53] <jakesyl>  Hey, I'm setting up a vagrant box,  how can I remap a domain (like wordpress.dev to a local private ip)
[21:56] <ikonia> jakesyl: best thing is to not cross post to multiple channels
[23:12] <BadConnection> Hello. I'm really new to kubuntu, how can I select multiple desktop icons/files or select one and move its position?
[23:12] <BadConnection> I'm a windows converter, maybe. If I can figure out how to navigate kde
[23:14] <bprompt> BadConnection:     do what again?
[23:14] <ahoneybun> Ctrl + Left Click?
[23:15] <bprompt> ohhh hmmm yeah
[23:15] <BadConnection> Thanks
[23:15] <bprompt> BadConnection:    same thing in kwin, just drag, for multiple selection, drag your mouse making a square, selecting what you want, or just ctrl-click
[23:15] <BadConnection> What is the Windows+D equiv for going to desktop?
[23:16] <bprompt> BadConnection:    try winkey-D :P
[23:16] <BadConnection> doesnt work
[23:16] <BadConnection> Im on kubuntu 15.04
[23:16] <bprompt> hmmm ohh .. kwin doens't have it mapped... min window manager does
[23:17] <bprompt> BadConnection:    I run 12.04... but you can map the shortcuts in kwin, so  you can just map it to winkey-D as well.... not sure where 15.04 would have it, I'd think in settings
[23:17] <bprompt> I use another window manager, and have it mapped already to winkey-d
[23:18] <BadConnection> 15.04 is *really* different
[23:18] <BadConnection> I think it's more plasma5 than kde
[23:19] <ahoneybun> if you put the Desktop Widget in the panel and put Win + D for the shortcut maybe
[23:19] <ahoneybun> well it's KDE Plasma 5
[23:19] <ahoneybun> still KDE
[23:19] <bprompt> BadConnection:     we're in september, btw, meaning next month is october, or the "10" month, meaning 15.10 is about 30days away
[23:19] <BadConnection> ok
[23:19] <BadConnection> i feel so lost on this os right now
[23:19] <ahoneybun> 41 days
[23:20] <ahoneybun> Oct 22
[23:20] <ahoneybun> opps
[23:20] <bprompt> yeah... as ahoneybun  suggested, use the desktop widget, and set a shortcut on it
[23:20] <ahoneybun> 39
[23:20] <bprompt> ahoneybun:    well, 38 if  you're in australia =P
[23:21] <ahoneybun> yea timezones
[23:23] <bprompt> BadConnection:     not sure on 15.04... but usually you can just right-click the "K" start menu in kde, and choose "use classic style" or classic menu, from the right-click, it'd list all apps in their categories vertically, like the start menu
[23:24] <BadConnection> bprompt:  thanks, it does
[23:24] <ahoneybun> unlock the widgets on the far right of the panel and right click the k logo to switch launcher styles
[23:24] <ahoneybun> alters
[23:24] <BadConnection> though i can't set the windows key as a shortcut, it reads it as 'meta' and doesn't stick it
[23:24] <ahoneybun> odd
[23:24] <ahoneybun> meta needs a add
[23:24] <ahoneybun> like meta + d
[23:24] <ahoneybun> would be Win + D
[23:24] <BadConnection> Yes
[23:24] <ahoneybun> a modifier
[23:25] <bprompt> BadConnection:     ahoneybun  means, do "meta + d"
[23:25] <BadConnection> but to open start menu right now it's alt+f1 and I can't change it to win key or win key+s either
[23:26] <ahoneybun> yea the meta key (windows key) can't do anything on its own
[23:26] <bprompt> BadConnection:      hmmm  System Settings has a section for "Gestures and Shortcuts", you can set, about 3 types of shortcuts, customs, globals,  and standard keyboard's
[23:26] <ahoneybun> well alt + f2 is the krunner
[23:26] <ahoneybun> in Plasma 5 it is just Shortcuts
[23:26] <bprompt> k
[23:27] <bprompt> BadConnection:   if the "show desktop" is thereabouts, you can just edit it there, to meta + d
[23:31] <BadConnection> under global shortcuts?
[23:32] <bprompt> BadConnection:    IF it's there, I checked on mine, and it isn't, but this one is 12.04
[23:32] <BadConnection> isn't on mine either
[23:33] <ahoneybun> BadConnection: your looking for the Desktop shortcut right?
[23:34] <ahoneybun> BadConnection: http://imgur.com/NMN3EmG
[23:35] <BadConnection> mine isn't there
[23:35] <BadConnection> i got it set though
[23:35] <BadConnection> i still can't select multiple desktop items though
[23:39] <bprompt> BadConnection:     hmm is it launching apps on single-click?'
[23:40] <bprompt> BadConnection:    for you can change that at System Settings > Input Devices > mouse
[23:40] <MichaelTunnell> I have an opinion based somewhat philosophical question for Kubuntu community.
[23:40] <MichaelTunnell> Do you consider Kubuntu a different OS than Ubuntu? I know it is a flavor but do you consider it more than just package differences?
[23:40] <BadConnection> I do now
[23:41] <MichaelTunnell> I dont mean in terms of having Plasma 5 to be clear...I mean Ubuntu vs Kubuntu are they different distros to you?
[23:41] <ahoneybun> MichaelTunnell: we bring a great community exp as well as packages
[23:41] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:    ... no myself, it's just ubuntu with kde in it, is all
[23:42] <BadConnection> so odd
[23:42] <BadConnection> I can draw the 'square' in dolphin file manager fine but not on the desktop
[23:42] <BadConnection> bprompt:  thanks, i got the single click to open turned off :)
[23:43] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:     I use kubuntu because I use many QT and kde apps, and kde includes that, otherwise I'd have installed ubuntu and then installed kde and qt anyway, just like I have on say.. SuSE or Fedora and mandrake
[23:43] <MichaelTunnell> bprompt: I get that I am thinking in the idea of Distro vs Flavor
[23:43] <bprompt> BadConnection:   k...now you can just ctrl-click then, you can also just drag the mouse to make a square and select, whatever on the square, same behaviour as in windows explorer
[23:43] <MichaelTunnell> fundamentally Linux Mint and Kubuntu are the same at the lower levels the only true difference is that Mint is not an official flavor where as Kubuntu is so Mint is considered a separate distro.
[23:44] <BadConnection> bprompt: no, i still can't.
[23:44] <BadConnection> still can't make a square on the desktop
[23:44] <MichaelTunnell> I dont mean differences such as KDE, I mean differences on the core such as package management kernel versions and etc
[23:44] <ahoneybun> Mint developers it's own fork on GNOME as well
[23:45] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:   right.. Mint is a fork of ubuntu, but is a fork not maintained by say Canonical, and that's the only differentiating, no the core distribution
[23:46] <MichaelTunnell> Kubuntu is not technically maintained by Canonical though. Mint also uses Ubuntu repos and dont just fork everything
[23:46] <MichaelTunnell> Ubuntu forks Debian almost completely with snapshots...but Mint doesnt and neither does Kubuntu
[23:47] <BadConnection> i guess i'll just use dolphin to select multiple files
[23:47] <BadConnection> such a bad bad bad bad design choice
[23:47] <bprompt> hmm
[23:47] <MichaelTunnell> here is why I am asking. When you go to a project to see if they support Linux, do you prefer to have Kubuntu listed in the support or is Ubuntu enough. I know Ubuntu is enough technically but I mean purely preference, would you like to see Kubuntu listed?
[23:48] <ahoneybun> I like to see Linux in general
[23:49] <ahoneybun> I like ubuntu and even more so Kubuntu but let's get support for Linux in general
[23:49] <bprompt> BadConnection:      well... bear in mind that, there are many window managers, the one you're referring about the icons, is Kwin, now, I do run kde, I do not run kwin... well, now and then I do, and I don't have that, I'd think  it's just some setting there, I run LXDE and I don't have any of those issues, and lxde maps winkey-d already to show the desktop as well.... so you're referring not to kde itself, so much as to the kde wind
[23:49] <BadConnection> Such a weird OS. I can make a shortcut on the desktop by dragging a file from dolphin to the desktop then right click on the icon on the desktop and set a keyboard short cut to launch it, but I can't go to the file the shortcut points to and do the same thing...
[23:49] <ahoneybun> BadConnection: you can put whatever you want on the deksop
[23:49] <ahoneybun> *desktop
[23:50] <BadConnection> bprompt:  thanks
[23:50] <BadConnection> ahoneybun: yeah, that's not what i'm struggling with
[23:50] <BadConnection> I can add icons to my desktop just fine, i can't select multiple icons on the desktop
[23:50] <BadConnection> thats the issue
[23:50] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:     kinda got lost there... w00t?    if I have a .. say webdev project, and need to do... something, I use whatever works, it doesn't have to be ubuntu, support or otherwise, it depends on what I need done
[23:50] <BadConnection> i can not fraw a 'square' with my mouse
[23:51] <MichaelTunnell> I'll be more specific then
[23:51] <BadConnection> i may need to switch to LXDE
[23:52] <ahoneybun> MichaelTunnell: since this topic is not really support related perhaps move it to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[23:52] <BadConnection> why the F would anyone ever make a system where you can't draw a square on your desktop by default.... so frustrating.
[23:52] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:    good example of that I assume is say, Zuckerberg, due to licensing and other software and hardware considerations, went with centOS for facebook
[23:53] <ahoneybun> draw a square?
[23:53] <ahoneybun> highlight items?
[23:54] <bprompt> ahoneybun:     draw a square, drag the mouse in a square on the desktop to select icons/elements
[23:54] <bprompt> I'm pretty sure I've done it in kwin
[23:55] <austin6598> my kubuntu gets stuck at the boot logo so i made a live usb and it also gets stuck booting. it works on my laptop however. this PC does boot to USB's. Also im trying the latest version of kubuntu 15.04
[23:55] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: of course you can
[23:55] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: right click your desktop and choose the bottom option "Desktop Settings"
[23:55] <MichaelTunnell> or it might say something else but Settings for something :)
[23:55] <bprompt> austin6598:   hmmm how fast is the cpu on the desktop one?
[23:56] <ahoneybun> bprompt: BadConnection I keep  my desktop clean so
[23:56] <austin6598> 3.2ghz
[23:56] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure about highlighing
[23:56] <BadConnection> AHHHH
[23:56] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: you will see a Layout selector, in this dropdown choose "Folder"
[23:56] <BadConnection> ^
[23:56] <BadConnection> THANK YOU
[23:56] <bprompt> austin6598:    3.2ghz... dual-core? i3? i5?i7? amd?
[23:56] <austin6598> its more powerful than the laptop, give me a sec
[23:57] <BadConnection> now if i could just get a custom shortcut set to open SoundNODE I'll be much happier
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: welcome, KDE is kind of confusing at times because you can do so much...it is kind of like a double edged sword...you can do so much so it is cool but it can get confusing where stuff is to do
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: so LETS DO THIS!
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: wait, what is that?
[23:57] <bprompt> austin6598:    anyhow.... is a newer computer. if it's not booting usb devices, meaning that safeboot is ON and... you may want to disable it first, go to bios and disable safeboot and enable "Legacy CSM" mode, then boot with the usb stick
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> we can do it but what is that
[23:58] <BadConnection> http://www.soundnodeapp.com/
[23:59] <bprompt> austin6598:    short from that, the "stuck" part of the livusb, you can always just press F6 at the splash screen, and disable acpi   and apm, and try to booting to it
[23:59] <austin6598> heres the pc: http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02628380
[23:59] <austin6598> just control + f amd and you will see the cpu