[00:00]  * daftykins disconnects the starter
[00:20] <mapps> ;]
[01:02] <penguin42> huh I didn't know Brum had a maglec for 11 years
[01:02] <mapps> whats maglec/
[01:03] <penguin42> magnetic levitation train
[01:05] <mapps> ah
[02:43] <mapps> gah
[02:43] <mapps> daftykins?
[04:23] <mapp> hmm what can i watch to sleep to..fedup watching same tv again and again
[04:23] <mapp> maybe radio would work
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:14] <m6lpi> Morning
[09:47] <popey> yo
[10:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[18:33] <Azelphur> popey: I kinda went overboard with this thing, https://dpaste.de/2jv0 this is running on the router now :)
[18:34] <Azelphur> should work on any router that can run Python and has /proc/net/dev (which I think is pretty much any router that you can ssh into)
[19:04] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ff8u8tf1vry58md/IMG_20150913_200045.jpg?dl=0
[19:04] <daftykins> that's quite some traffic on my xbox one, 570GB since October of last
[19:19] <popey> Azelphur: http://i.imgur.com/S4i3JDl.png
[19:22] <penguin42> popey: What provider are you on?
[19:22] <Azelphur> popey: :)
[19:22] <popey> penguin42: vm
[19:23] <penguin42> popey: Do you think you're hitting the throttling stuff that kicks in if you go over the limit in one hour where they slow you down for the next period?
[19:23] <popey> I don't know what's causing it.
[19:23] <popey> I don't think I do anything especially at that time.
[19:24]  * penguin42 notes his ping time to google has doubled since about 6pm on Virgin, not sure if they're having problems or it's to do with the 5GB of updates I pulled
[19:27] <popey> If I post a phone which is switched on and unlocked to myself, do you think the gps will be able to track it much?
[19:27] <daftykins> worth a try :D
[19:27] <penguin42> depends where it is and if it's bothered to use the GPS
[19:28] <penguin42> for an android phone the location history is worth a check
[19:28] <mapps> hmm
[19:28] <mapps> i think yes
[19:28] <popey> maybe pack a battery in the box too, to make sure it stays alive
[19:29] <popey> for fun
[19:29] <penguin42> http://i.imgur.com/bXtkGXm.png  ping time to google definitely a bit longer than normal
[19:29] <popey> you on vm too?
[19:29] <penguin42> popey: Yep
[19:29] <penguin42> popey: On their bottom end 50/3
[19:31] <popey> https://webmonkeyuk.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/putting-a-gps-tracker-in-the-mail/
[19:32] <penguin42> popey: It would be fun to gather an accelerometer trace as well as GPS
[19:33] <popey> hah, yes
[19:33] <penguin42> popey: Both to see how it's been thrown and also you might be able to do integration to handle loss of GPS
[19:33] <daftykins> i always found VM to feel held together with tape
[19:34] <penguin42> daftykins: I find their routing is generally excellent
[19:34] <daftykins> so many wide outages though :D
[19:35] <penguin42> daftykins: Most of the outages I've had have been ~1hr type of screw ups, only one long one in ~2 years
[19:35] <penguin42> daftykins: And I'm using it ~10 hours a day now
[19:35] <daftykins> i guess they've improved their game!
[19:35] <daftykins> used to see a lot of middle of the night outages in Portsmouth
[19:36] <penguin42> not seen any lately, but it seems to be very area dependent
[19:37] <daftykins> yeah, i was thinking perhaps being in a student area could increase it, but you're probably near a Uni too?
[19:37] <penguin42> hmm interesting, they've been having ping peaks to google for the last 4 days in the afternoon/evenings
[19:38] <penguin42> daftykins: Well it depends, I'm on the north side of Manchester, and most of the university stuff is in the centre/south
[19:38] <daftykins> ah right
[19:39] <popey> Ok, next question for the team!
[19:39] <popey> Wifey currently has iphone 4s, previously had an iphone 4, that was her first smartphone.
[19:39] <popey> Looking to replace it (no, not ubuntu phone).
[19:39] <daftykins> and she's not cult-tied?
[19:39] <popey> She likes small size phones (i.e. no stupid phablets)
[19:39] <popey> no
[19:39] <daftykins> any urgency?
[19:39] <popey> she doesn't care, so long as it has fb, whatsapp, camera, space for photos etc
[19:40] <popey> not really
[19:40] <popey> Don't want to spend a lot though
[19:40] <popey> Second hand iPhone 5s is the competition.
[19:40] <popey> So something simliar sized, similar spec, faster than 4s.
[19:40] <popey> sd card bonus
[19:52] <czajkowski> I have an ubuntu phone looking to sell
[19:53] <czajkowski> i case anyone knows someone looking for one
[19:53] <Azelphur> popey: what sorta price bracket is that?
[19:56] <popey> czajkowski: awwww
[19:57] <popey> Azelphur: dunno, couple of hundred quid I guess
[19:58] <Azelphur> popey: hmm so you're looking for something ~5"?
[19:58] <czajkowski> popey: just don't get enough use out of it
[19:58] <popey> yeah, between the size of a 4s and 5s
[19:59] <czajkowski> as always have work aka main phone on as need the apps for work and travek
[19:59] <popey> she likes small phones
[19:59] <czajkowski> next 8 weeks I'm travelling every other week :/
[19:59] <Azelphur> popey: the new Nexus 5 is coming out in <1m, something to consider perhaps but might be a little pricey
[19:59] <popey> and probably too huge
[19:59] <czajkowski> I am hoping ot move to 3 at the end of October, Vodaphone are a pita
[19:59] <czajkowski> and gtting a S6
[20:01] <popey> hm, old nexus 5 is pretty cheap
[20:01] <mapps> i see the 6s is up for preorder..i haven't bothered with iphone for a while so didn't even know :)
[20:01] <Azelphur> popey: I thought Nexus 5 is too big? :P
[20:02] <popey> it is
[20:02] <Azelphur> ah
[20:02] <foobarry> new moto g?
[20:02] <foobarry> good price
[20:02] <daftykins> popey: i nearly mentioned the Nexus 5s, as it seems a second one is on the way soonish
[20:02] <popey> oooh, and has sd card
[20:03] <foobarry> also sure to get M release on android
[20:03] <daftykins> i'd go Nexus to be on the monthly security patch bandwagon
[20:03] <daftykins> unless they'll do the same
[20:03] <popey> ugh, 1GB RAM
[20:07] <Azelphur> popey: Sony Xperia Z3 compact meets all of your requirements.
[20:07] <popey> oh! good call, forgot sony!
[20:07] <popey> laura has one, and she loves it
[20:07] <popey> excellent.
[20:07] <Azelphur> yw
[20:08] <Azelphur> yea I believe it does everything you want, a tiny bit bigger than the 5s but not by much (123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm vs 127.3 x 64.9 x 8.6 mm) has card slot, is around £200, is fairly current (2014, September)
[20:08] <popey> also, camera is a focus of it, which I like
[20:08] <popey> she takes a lot of photos / videos
[20:08] <Azelphur> has android 5 upgrade too, along with some nice extra features like IP68, 720p display, Shatter proof glass and a 20MP camera
[20:08] <Azelphur> yea :)
[20:09]  * Azelphur is good at phone finding
[20:11] <foobarry> popey: which phone 1gb ram?
[20:11] <Azelphur> popey: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-XPERIA-Z3-Compact-D5803-Black-Vodafone-MINT-with-dock-/151815304595?hash=item2358e5b593 here's your best price, bang on target budget wise :)
[20:12] <daftykins> Sony are a very poor android choice
[20:12] <Azelphur> daftykins: you can fix that with https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=z3c
[20:12] <daftykins> fix what?
[20:12] <Azelphur> Sony are always amazing hardware shit software
[20:13] <popey> foobarry: moto g
[20:13] <foobarry> the high er storage version also has more ram
[20:13] <foobarry> 16gb version has 2gb i believe
[20:13] <popey> ah
[20:14] <popey> Azelphur: locked to voda :(
[20:14] <popey> little stand is handy
[20:14] <popey> that certainly is top of the list at the moment
[20:15] <popey> good work Azelphur :)
[20:15] <Azelphur> popey: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-XPERIA-Z3-Compact-D5803-Latest-Model-16GB-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-Bundle-/361370436141?hash=item54235b422d best price unlocked, but probably best to just buy the one I linked, it's gonna cost less than £30 to unlock and it's in better condition and a stand too.
[20:15] <Azelphur> yw
[20:15] <daftykins> oh LG G3s are pretty good too
[20:16] <popey> yeah
[20:17] <Azelphur> popey: to be clear, your requirements are <135mm, <66mm, Android, >=2GB RAM and Card slot?
[20:17] <Azelphur> oh, and £200
[20:17] <popey> roughly, yeah
[20:20] <Azelphur> Then your only choices are the Z3 Compact, Z1 Compact, Huawei Ascend P6 or the ZTE Nubia Z5S Mini
[20:20] <Azelphur> there are no other phones that meet all the above criteria :)
[20:20] <foobarry> not the motog?
[20:20] <Azelphur> Moto G does not meet the criteria (>=2GB RAM) it only has 1GB RAM
[20:21] <foobarry> Azelphur: higher storage version has 2gb ram i beliebe
[20:21] <foobarry> The Moto G now goes up to £209/$219 for the 2GB RAM/16GB storage version, or £179/$179/$250AU for the plain 1GB RAM/8GB storage
[20:21] <Azelphur> foobarry: you mean the Moto G 3rd Gen? It fails the size requirements
[20:21] <popey> heheh
[20:22] <foobarry> 142.1 x 72.4 x 11.6 mm
[20:22] <popey> I'm so glad I asked in here :)
[20:22]  * Azelphur is helpful
[20:22] <Azelphur> and also a database of phones, apparently
[20:22] <foobarry> statto
[20:22]  * foobarry goes back to watching phoneshop
[20:23] <foobarry> whats 7mm between friends?
[20:24] <Azelphur> foobarry: he wants iPhone 5s sizes, which is actually almost 2cm bigger
[20:24] <Azelphur> for the Moto G 3rd gen, I mean
[20:25] <Azelphur> 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm vs 142.1 x 72.4 x 11.6 mm
[20:42] <popey> what's that tool called which is a bag of beans you microwave then rest on a phone screen to make the glue melt?
[20:42] <popey> (I assume it's beans)
[20:43] <daftykins> ifixit.com sells a screen heater job
[20:44] <popey> yeah, tried to find it then my gpu crashed
[20:45] <popey> bah, they call it "iopener"
[20:45] <popey> useless
[20:46] <daftykins> :D
[20:46] <daftykins> want something local is it?
[20:46] <popey> blimey, perhaps not, they sell it on amazon
[20:46] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/iFixit-iOpener-Apple-glued-devices/dp/B00KJ1XHLE
[20:48] <daftykins> \o/
[20:50] <mapps> *watching 1st dates, that show's so funny:D
[20:50] <mapps> id never heard of this, what apple devices is it for?
[20:51] <daftykins> sound like the fan bearings have gone? :D https://www.dropbox.com/s/4cbrf6b0ru00qo4/VID_20150913_214839.mp4?dl=0
[20:51] <daftykins> warning: check volume
[20:52] <mapps> is recruitment consultant really that good of a job, well paid etc? always seem to be flashy show off types
[20:52] <mapps> althouh means nothing of course
[20:53] <daftykins> fan motor i mean really
[20:53] <popey> they are in sales, so yeah :)
[20:53] <popey> selling people
[20:53] <mapps> so it is paid well?
[20:53] <popey> a friend of mine is one, we often take the mickey that he sits at work all day playing snap
[20:54] <popey> matching jobs with candidates
[20:54] <popey> It can be, if you're good
[20:54] <mapps> when i say well i mean 60k+
[20:54] <popey> well, often they are on a low basic
[20:54] <popey> with commission for placement
[20:54] <popey> either a monthly income for contractors they place, or a lump sum after a permie has been in place for N months
[20:54] <mapps> ah
[20:55] <mapps> but if it wasnt going well, not many jobs or candidates or whatever then the basic wage could suck?
[20:55] <popey> I've had them call me up after 6 months (once they got their payment for placing me) and ask if I was happy (and did I want to move) so they could get another lump out of me
[20:55] <popey> there's always candidates, and always roles
[20:55] <popey> it's whether the role will accept an agent and whether you can find and convince one to go for the role
[20:55] <mapps> ah
[20:55] <popey> and whether they are any good once they get to interview
[20:56] <popey> many agents will fire tons of CVs over for a role, in the hope one sticks
[20:56] <mapps> i'd do that :) but i guess that could irritate employers
[20:56] <popey> yes
[20:56] <popey> which is why you often see adverts which say "No recruiters" on the spec
[20:56] <popey> because they have had bad experience of exactly that
[20:57] <mapps> ahh yea
[20:57] <mapps> I'd be annoyed if i was getting loads of CVs which clearly arent up to it:)
[20:57] <popey> thinking of a change of career? :)
[20:58] <mapps> nah
[20:58] <mapps> too much freedom, i waste copious amounts of time at work
[20:58] <mapps> a normal office job would be a chore, i imagine most non work sites being blocked
[20:59] <mapps> plus when i have standby i.e. nothing to do i just watch films or tv on my tablet :) if there's nothing to do, not my problem!
[21:00] <czajkowski> aww under the dome is finished :(
[21:00] <mapps> hmm
[21:00] <mapps> i went off that a bit tbh
[21:01] <mapps> big match soon, fed vs djoko, delayed due to rain;/
[23:03] <daftykins> ah midnight and it feels late, this must be what normality feels like