[03:32] <thebeav> Does Ubuntu Studio 15.04 not include VeSTige support in LMMS? Just did a fresh install and the VeSTige icon is missing.
[03:33] <thebeav> (64 bit)
[03:35] <cfhowlett> thebeav, you mean VST plugins?  yes they're supported
[03:37] <sinewav> 64-bit Vestige is broken.
[03:37] <sinewav> Only 32-bit works.
[03:37] <thebeav> cfhowlett: How can I use them then if VeSTige isn't there?
[03:38] <thebeav> sinewav: Does that mean I need to install a 32 bit version of LMMS?
[03:38] <cfhowlett> thebeav, I've not used lmms enough to advise.  suggest you consult #opensourcemusicians
[03:39] <thebeav> cfhowlett: Thank you.
[03:39] <sinewav> Yes, Vestige only works in 32-bit LMMS, though I have heard that some people can use the 64-bit Windows version of lmms in wine and use VST plugins. Weird, eh?
[03:41] <sinewav> I haven't tried it myself because I don't often use LMMS, but I know only 32-bit Vestige works.
[03:42] <sinewav> It's a huge bummer.
[03:43] <thebeav> sinewav: Okay so it sounds like I'll need to install the 32 bit version of lmms. Is there an easy way to do that in Ubuntu Studio? Command line or Software Center would be fine.
[03:45] <sinewav> You are running 64bit Ubuntu Studio?
[03:47] <thebeav> sinewav: Yes.
[03:48] <thebeav> sinewav: fesh install
[03:48] <thebeav> 15.04
[03:50] <sinewav> yeah... that's a problem. You see, the problem is, you need 32-bit WINE libraries to use Vestige, specifically 32-bit DSSI. And you can't use those on a 64-bit install. The only way is to use 32-bit Ubuntu Studio. (Well, maybe there is a way, but I've never seen it.)\
[03:50] <sinewav> I went through this whole thing about a year ago an just gave up.
[03:51] <sinewav> I started using KXStudio's repros so I could use "FesTige" which is a 64-bi wrapper for VST pluggins, but even that was unstable, so I just use Windows for audio, mostly. :/
[03:52] <sinewav> Sorry, I don't mean to discourage you.
[03:54] <thebeav> I wonder then if it'd be simpler to just re-install Ubutnu Studio and use the 32 bit version? If that's the only problem.
[03:55] <sinewav> If your computer is sufficiently fast enough, using a 32-bit OS is fine. Eventually Linux audio will catch up. They are about a decade behind Win/Mac.
[03:56] <sinewav> My last computer was 32-bit and I did a lot of nice music with GNU/FOSS Audio, specifically using LMMS, Muse, and Ardour.
[03:58] <thebeav> sinewav: Thanks for the help. I think I'm gonna try my best to get it working on Linux somehow. Maybe even give that Festige software a look and see if they've improved the stability any since you tried it.
[09:51] <cfhowlett> May I see your identification, please?  http://fabianff.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Studio-ID-84008463
[10:10] <zequence> I got to get one of those
[10:10] <cfhowlett> yeah, he did one for all the distros before the redesign came along.
[10:10] <cfhowlett> http://fabianff.deviantart.com/gallery/
[18:57] <csahens> Anyone here producing podcasts with UbuntuStudio?
[18:59] <csahens> Quiet room, lol
[19:04] <sunstar> nope but i have made a shoutcast station with wine+winamp
[19:06] <csahens> Shoutcast...what's that?
[19:06] <Unit193> Why not just icecast2+darkice/mixxx/etc?
[19:08] <csahens> My main problem with podcasting on Linux, at least until I figure it out, is how to record Skype calls at a decent bitrate. The only Skype recorder I've found for Linux only records wavs at 16kps, whereas I perfer to record in at leaast 44.1k.
[19:10] <sunstar> depending on your setup, VLC should be able to record
[19:23] <csahens> VLC?
[19:23] <csahens> that's interesting
[19:23] <csahens> I'd never considered using VLC. ou can record Skype calls with that?
[19:53] <csahens> Are there an Linux apps that could record Skype calls where one side of the conversation is panned hard left and the other side of the conversation is panned hard right for seperate editing? It's not a deal breaker or anything, but it's nice to be able to edit out some of the stuff in the background.
[19:59] <holstein> csahens: yes
[19:59] <holstein> though, i would try mumble, if you dont need video.. or, ask skype what tools they suggest
[19:59] <holstein> otherwise, you can just do that. .pan hard right and left, and route into whatever you are recording with.. in JACK for example
[20:00] <csahens> I don't need video, so that's not an issue. I found a Skype recorder, but it records wavs at a lower bit rate than I'd like. I'm looking to record at at least 44.1k.
[20:00] <holstein> sure
[20:00] <holstein> nothing here is preventing that..
[20:00] <holstein> if its a wav, its likely 44.1.. if its not, i would try it, and see if it meets your needs
[20:01] <holstein> mumble has/had a jack client.. where, each client has an ouput in jack..
[20:01] <csahens> Awesome. That really has been my number one issue on fully transitioning to Linux.
[20:01] <holstein> otherwise, you would run jack, then, using the pulse to jack bridge, you pan as you say, and route the right channel from pulse to a track in youd daw, and the left to anothher
[20:02] <holstein> well, just keep in mind, nothing in linux is preventing that
[20:02] <holstein> it would be ideal if skype, or example, supported jack.. and gave you separate output to jack.. right from skype
[20:03] <holstein> and, the tool they provide is likely keeping up with the audio quality you are getting over the network
[20:03] <csahens> I didn't really think so, but there aren't nearly as many resources about podcasting in Linux than for PC or Mac, so I wasn't really sure where I'd look...lol
[20:03] <holstein> you can also, just have each person record locally. the old "double ender" trick.. thats the way we used to do it, regardles
[20:03] <holstein> csahens: really?
[20:04] <holstein> csahens: i think the issue is, there are no commercial entities selling you a work flow, such as podcasting, on linux
[20:04] <holstein> csahens: i use ardour, and record what i like, to whatever format i want.. have for years.. worked well for podcasting, etc
[20:05] <holstein> one nice/easy trick to *really* step the quality up, regardless of OS.. record high quality locally, use something like dropbox to share the files.. then, one person can record the entire VOIP call output, and easliy line up the seperated, local, high quality files
[20:06] <csahens> We were doing it like that initially
[20:06] <holstein> that could be *many* different os's.. and formats.. one person just bringing the different high quality flies together
[20:06] <holstein> csahens: thats the "best" way to do it
[20:06] <csahens> But with 4 hosts, the editing just got crazy
[20:06] <holstein> csahens: the network is a bottle-neck for the quality, no matter what OS you are using..
[20:07] <holstein> we did the import, of all the parts.. *then*, its literally the same editing as before
[20:07] <holstein> say, you want to edit transitions.. you'll edit them, no matter hown many high quality wav files you import
[20:07] <csahens> That's true if you can get all of your hosts to practice proper mic technique...lol
[20:07] <holstein> csahens: we prepped before sending.. but still, you dont add any editing to the work flow
[20:08] <holstein> i mean, if you go in and manually adjust fader, thats likely overkill, anyways
[20:08] <csahens> I'm talking about editing out distractions in the background and things like that.
[20:08] <csahens> Or, one of m co-hosts has a problem with smacking his lips, so I edit out that as well.
[20:09] <holstein> sure
[20:09] <holstein> thats your choice, though
[20:09] <holstein> you can have him take them out before
[20:09] <holstein> or, just leave it. nothing we are talking about addresses that
[20:09] <csahens> That' true.
[20:10] <holstein> he's smacking his lips, and you choose to address that.. in windows, or whatever
[20:10] <csahens> Yes
[20:10] <csahens> I'm just saying that I don't just record, add music, export, and upload as some podcasters do
[20:10] <csahens> But you're right, those are issues for me regardless of OS
[20:11] <holstein> sure.. and im just saying, you pull in 2 tracks, and edit out the transitions.. its the same work, if you pull in 8 tracks
[20:11] <csahens> Editing two tracks is a mental thing for me.
[20:11] <holstein> if you are addressing individual issues in those source tracks, thats a different story, and something you can address.. but, not any different in any OS
[20:12] <holstein> csahens: in ardour, you edit out the spaces in *all* the tracks..
[20:12] <holstein> you would pull in, say, 8 hosts worth.. line up the tracks for timing to the master track.. and start editing. the same cuts and edit points no matter how many hosts
[20:12] <csahens> Yeah, like I said, it's a mental thing for me...I'm a lot less anal about what to edit when I have fewer tracks to edit.
[20:13] <holstein> csahens: you'll have as many tracks as hosts
[20:13] <csahens> The more tracks I have, the more likely I'm going to sit there and try to edit out every little sound that isn't talking.
[20:13] <holstein> csahens: *nothing* gives you less tracks.. its a track per host you are implemting
[20:13] <csahens> That or I suppose I could use a gate
[20:13] <holstein> *or*, ask the hosts to do it
[20:13] <holstein> or leave it in
[20:13] <csahens> Yeah
[20:13] <holstein> or gate the entire stereo track
[20:14] <csahens> I'm just so used to working with Audition...lol It looks like Ardour is pretty close to that than say, Audacity.
[20:14] <holstein> work with what you like, though
[20:15] <holstein> i mean, no DAW is really going to do this any easier.. or much differeint
[20:15] <holstein> different*
[20:15] <csahens> That's a fair point.
[20:15] <holstein> you'll still, ideally, have a track per host, and you'll be editing out whatever you want to cut.. and, gating, or whatever you want to do to deal with background noice
[20:15] <holstein> noise*
[20:15] <holstein> audacity is a great tool.. mostly, a stereo track editor..
[20:16] <holstein> ardour is a complete DAW.. it really depends on your needs..
[20:16] <csahens> As long as I can record a skype call, that's really all I *need* at this point and you've addressed that. So I need to play around with some of these tools to get it working like I want.
[20:16] <holstein> yup.. skype can go through pulse.. into jack
[20:17] <holstein> or, ideally, they would supply separate outputs per user in jack
[20:17] <holstein> thats what was implemented to mumble.. jack support
[20:17] <holstein> i wouldnt expect that in skype..
[20:17] <csahens> OH! So mumble is a VoIP client like Skype?
[20:18] <holstein> csahens: well, *all* of these things are what they are
[20:18] <holstein> i dont even think of it as constructive to think about what they are trying to replace..
[20:18] <holstein> i dont think its a goal of mumble to replace skype.. but, it does have a nice latency. it was made more for gaming groups
[20:18] <holstein> easy to setup, and control one's own server.. completely open.. etc..
[20:19] <holstein> it just had a way to record output per host
[20:19] <holstein> but, the editing process is still the same.. the only step that saved me was, importing the seperate files
[20:19] <holstein> and, the quality was literally like being in the same room.. so, i decided it wasnt worth the hassle
[20:20] <csahens> Interesting. Looks like I have a lot of options here.
[20:20] <holstein> its not really saving me any time to record the hosts, live, to seperate channels.. its not saving anything but, import and lining up. and its a hit in quality
[20:21] <holstein> now, when they record local, its sounds *just* like im in that room.. so, thats what i go for, since, tracking it live, VIA the voip call doest ease anything
[20:21] <holstein> doesnt*
[20:21] <csahens> yeah
[20:21] <holstein> i know, they were talking about this on the linux action show LUP show
[20:22] <holstein> personally, ive never minded that a call in show sounds like folks calling in and talking
[20:22] <holstein> background noise, as long as things are audible.. i never mind that..
[20:22] <holstein> network sounding audio, though.. i like to avoid that..
[20:22] <csahens> That's true...I suppose as podcast producers we care more about our audio than a lot of the listeners do...lol
[20:22] <holstein> bad network connection, i should say..
[20:23] <holstein> csahens: sure.. but, we, again, are *not* talking about the audio  quality
[20:23] <holstein> csahens: im suggesting recording it locally gets the *best* audio quality.. and it does. better than over the network
[20:23] <csahens> And I agree with you.
[20:23] <holstein> what you are talking about is background environmental noises.. that, are recorded at a high quality.. just arguably unwanted
[20:23] <csahens> Yes
[20:24] <holstein> if you want to remove them, then, sure.. a gate is an option.. or, just teaching the hosts how to better record..
[20:24] <holstein> quieter spaces.. etc
[20:24] <csahens> Yup
[20:24] <holstein> theres not really a piece of software to address that.. in any OS.. other than potentially the gate idea..
[20:24] <holstein> which, wont hurt at all to try..
[20:25] <csahens> Yup. Anyway, thanks for your help. I'm going to set up the mic and do some testing!
[20:25] <holstein> csahens: cheers.. and, let us know how it goest
[20:26] <csahens> will do
[20:26] <holstein> csahens: check out #opensourcemusicians if its slow here..