[01:34] <TJ-> Finally tracked down why Abiword starts every session. Something to do with kde-telepathy and the abiword Dbus service: bug 1495336
[03:13] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping: #kubuntu-council is alive
[04:49] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: join #kubuntu-council
[04:55] <valorie> also Mamarok, yofel and anybody else interested
[09:54] <apol> I don't know if you are aware, but some images on the website are broken http://kubuntu.org/
[10:00] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: ^
[10:00] <vip> hi ho
[10:00] <vip> anybody with kmail url opening problems?
[10:29] <kfunk> vip: yep. known issue
[10:29] <kfunk> vip: fixed in kdepim master
[10:29] <kfunk> vip: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346370
[10:31] <vip> kfunk: great, hope it will be released as bugfix version
[10:40] <vip> kfunk: ah, it is different bug 
[10:40] <vip> mine is about clicking url on received message, KDEInit cannot (run/execute)  '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/kf5/kioexec'
[10:41] <vip> it downloads url and opens as local file://, kmail is freezed, then message from above appears
[10:48] <kfunk> hm, works for me. does that file (kioexec) exist for you?
[10:48] <vip> yup
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:07] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ping
[15:26] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.0-38-g6b7acad * Aleix Pol:  (4 files in 2 dirs)
[15:26] <pursuivant> Expose UpdatesModel::hasUpdates
[15:26] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/6b7acad83b9f7ceeb67cd33a659c2222d0516536
[15:30]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:30] <shadeslayer> genii: http://kci.pangea.pub/ < the machines are taking over
[15:30] <shadeslayer> genii: as well as http://dci.pangea.pub/
[15:31] <genii> shadeslayer: A lot of times when I see on the mailing list a package was approved by bot, it gets me wondering....
[15:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:32] <shadeslayer> genii: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
[15:32] <shadeslayer> not sure if you've seen that
[15:32] <shadeslayer> but brilliant video overall :)
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yay all my tests pass
[15:34] <genii> Heh, recommended on that same page: "Coffee: The Greatest Addiction Ever"
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Google knows you too well
[15:35] <genii> Indeed
[15:35] <shadeslayer> you have to wonder, perhaps google knows you better than your partner/parents
[15:35] <shadeslayer> or your best friend
[15:59]  * ovidiu-florin is here and he's pissed
[15:59] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ^
[15:59] <ahoneybun> I just got back in the house lol
[15:59] <ahoneybun> oh boy
[16:01] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: hangout now?
[16:01] <ahoneybun> if you up for it
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: ping
[16:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: hangout?
[16:04] <marco-parillo> Work serves three purposes: To produce products and services buyers desire; To enable workers to acquire goods and services; To give workers a sense of contributing
[16:07] <marco-parillo> If now 1% of farmers can produce far more food than the 99% used to that is good for humanity as a whole. The trick is to enable the former (for example, truck drivers in the video) consume at least as much as they did before; and gain some sense of contributing.
[16:27] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: what's up?
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> got into a fight about the terms an onditions on a contest.
[16:27] <yofel> ah ^^
[16:28] <ovidiu-florin> organizers claimed that the terms said something it didn't
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: are you around?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ssup
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: you have a mackbook, do you know how to check a checksum on osX?????
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> for this: https://trello.com/c/rGFyOEFP/24-add-instructions-for-checking-the-iso-checksum-in-the-new-docs
[16:43] <shadeslayer> perhaps disk utility
[16:44] <shadeslayer> but OS X should have md5sum too
[16:44] <shadeslayer> so launch a terminal
[16:44] <shadeslayer> and use the command line tool
[16:45] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: did you see the notice about wrong URL images on the website?
[16:45] <TJ-> ovidiu-florin: It would be very useful to add instructions for also checking the hash of the image *on the removable media* 
[16:46] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: where?
[16:46] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: look at the frontpage
[16:46] <yofel> a couple URL's still point to kubwp
[16:46] <yofel> which now seems to be down
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: fixed
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> where was the notice?
[16:48] <yofel> apol pointed it out in here in the morning
[16:49] <yofel> and I pinged you
[16:49] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: the kubuntu logo at the top is still broken - is that part of the theme?
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: just fixed that too
[16:49] <yofel> ah yes, perfect, thanks!
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I scrolled up, and saw ahoneybun's ping, and thought that was it
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> thanks for telling me again
[16:50] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ^
[16:51] <yofel> yw
[17:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-images
[17:26] <clivejo> Riddell: ping
[17:26] <Riddell> hi clivejo
[17:26] <clivejo> got a few minutes?
[17:26] <Riddell> yes, although only a few
[17:27] <clivejo> or has someone done frameworks
[17:27] <Riddell> nobody but you :)
[17:27] <clivejo> I been out fixing Windows machines all day
[17:27] <clivejo> I feel dirty
[17:27] <Riddell> fixing by installing linux of course I assume
[17:28] <clivejo> sadly not
[17:29] <Riddell> so where did you get to with frameworks?
[17:29] <clivejo> ok so I had issues last night
[17:29] <clivejo> depot wasnt letting me on
[17:29] <clivejo> but I fixed that
[17:29] <Riddell> ach we all have issues, but there are friends here
[17:29] <clivejo> you fell asleep on me last night!
[17:30] <clivejo> so I eventually got package-name-list -d wily -r frameworks to run
[17:30] <Riddell> lovely, anything new?
[17:30] <clivejo> wasnt any output
[17:31] <clivejo> but then I was thinking my bzr isnt updated
[17:31] <clivejo> my kubuntu-automation is a month or so old
[17:32] <Riddell> I don't think it will output anything if there's nothing new
[17:32] <Riddell> it'll just write to package-name-lists/frameworks-wily
[17:32] <clivejo> where?
[17:33] <Riddell> in the directory you checked out kubuntu-automation into
[17:33] <Riddell> it'll output got version 5.14 stable
[17:33] <Riddell> write package-name-lists/frameworks-wily
[17:33] <Riddell> bzr diff package-name-lists/frameworks-wily
[17:33] <clivejo> yes
[17:33] <clivejo> it did
[17:34] <Riddell> and wc -l package-name-lists/frameworks-wily says 68?
[17:34] <clivejo> 67
[17:35] <Riddell> curious
[17:35] <Riddell> here's mine, run a diff on it   http://embra.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/frameworks-wily
[17:35] <clivejo> should I rm the automation folder and get a fresh copy
[17:35] <Riddell> no just bzr update or bzr pull as appropriate
[17:37] <Riddell> so what happened next?
[17:37] <clivejo> bluez-qt
[17:37] <clivejo> Im missing
[17:40] <clivejo> I keep getting Permission Denied with bzr commands
[17:42] <Riddell> set up ~/.ssh/config to pre-set the username to ftpubuntu
[17:43] <clivejo> I have :/
[17:44] <clivejo> for what host?
[17:46] <yofel> with bzr commands? That would mean your authorization settings for launchpad aren't right..
[17:46] <clivejo> ah working
[17:46] <clivejo> bazaar.launchpad.net
[17:47] <Riddell> ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[17:47] <clivejo> Now on revision 614.
[17:47] <Riddell> [DEFAULT]
[17:47] <Riddell> email = Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>
[17:47] <Riddell> launchpad_username = jr
[17:47] <Riddell> something like that
[17:48] <clivejo> I have that
[17:48] <clivejo> I need to add bazaar.launchpad.net into ~.ssh/conf
[17:48] <clivejo> anyways its worked
[17:49] <clivejo> 68 in there now
[17:52] <clivejo> so I need pause CI?
[17:53] <clivejo> Riddell: ^
[17:55] <Riddell> hmm I guess so
[17:55] <Riddell> maybe you don't have permissions for that
[17:55]  * clivejo shakes head
[17:55] <clivejo> I dont
[17:56] <Riddell> clivejo: I ran it
[17:56] <Riddell> ask sitter how to get permissions for that
[17:56] <Riddell> reminds me to unpause it again later
[17:57] <clivejo> is the version 5.18.0?
[17:57] <clivejo> sorry14
[17:57] <clivejo> or just 5.14
[18:02] <clivejo> stupid gpg agent
[18:05] <clivejo> how do I get the gpg-agent to enter my key passcode?
[18:05] <Riddell> 5.14.0
[18:05] <Riddell> it should just be running
[18:05] <Riddell> and use pinentry-qt as the UI
[18:05] <clivejo> well its not!
[18:06] <yofel> what's the error? pinentry not working or the agent not working?
[18:07] <clivejo> no error, just have to enter my passcode twice per source sign
[18:09] <clivejo> gpg-connect-agent: can't connect to the agent: IPC connect call failed
[18:10] <yofel> sounds like the agent isn't running
[18:11] <clivejo> gpg-agent[9747]: gpg-agent (GnuPG) 2.0.28 started
[18:12] <yofel> how did you start it?
[18:12] <Riddell> gpg-agent is spooky voodoo
[18:13] <yofel> usually, yeah :(
[18:14] <clivejo> FFS !!  Enter passphrase: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[18:15] <clivejo> it just confirmed it was running!
[18:15] <sgclark> make sure you have a pinentry app installed
[18:16] <Riddell>  when it randomly breaks for me I turn my computer off and on again and it sometimes starts to work
[18:16] <sgclark> also I had to put GPG_TTY=$(tty)  export GPG_TTY in my bashrc
[18:17] <sgclark> oh and eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) also in bashrc
[18:17] <sgclark> never breaks for me anymore
[18:18] <clivejo> it says its running
[18:19] <clivejo> but when I run the staging script it keeps asking for my passcode
[18:19] <mamarley> The gpg-agent doesn't seem to have worked properly for me since I upgraded to Vivid a long time ago.  gpg-agent is running and pinentry-qt4 is installed, but it never remembers the password and I never get the graphical prompt.
[18:19] <yofel> the eval part is important, you need an environment variable set in your shell for it to work
[18:19] <clivejo> yofel: it is
[18:20] <soee> ovidiu-florin: you pinged :)
[18:20] <clivejo> yofel: could it be the way I have a separate account I work in?
[18:20] <ovidiu-florin> soee: yes
[18:21] <yofel> clivejo: shouldn't be...
[18:21] <ovidiu-florin> soee: can you have a hangout with us? right now?
[18:21] <soee> oh i can't make it today.. have one project to do small changes and 1 hour for my boss :)
[18:21] <yofel> clivejo: at least not if said var is set in the shell you work in, the process is reachable and you can connect to X from that shell
[18:22] <clivejo> remember I had "issues" connecting to X
[18:22] <yofel> hm, you can try pinentry-curses
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> soee: are you good with designing web pages?
[18:22] <yofel> won't work if a GUI app tries to ask for the gpg password though, remember that
[18:23] <soee> ovidiu-florin: depends, i do a lot of backend stuff and sometimes when i have to frontend, but when it comes to design it is good to have proffesional designer
[18:23] <ovidiu-florin> ok, then we'll look for a designer
[18:24] <clivejo> mmm
[18:24] <clivejo> now Ive killed kate
[18:24] <soee> ovidiu-florin: but a good designer not someone who thinks he can design :)
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[18:26] <soee> i could always ask my friend (he does graphics etc.) when he comes back to work 
[18:26] <soee> but hes off for 2 weeks to spend this time with his daughter (born 2 weeks ago) :)
[18:27] <yofel> talking about agents, I found a funny process command line...
[18:27] <yofel> yofel     3105  0.0  0.0  11168   336 ?        Ss   18:20   0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/gpg-agent --daemon --sh --write-env-file=/home/yofel/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-T550 /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/im-launch /usr/bin/startkde
[18:27] <Riddell> clivejo: or edit the script to add -us -uc to the debuild and it won't sign them then just do it in batch later with debsign manually
[18:27] <yofel> how's that supposed to do anything useful o.O
[18:28] <clivejo> ok pinentry is installed
[18:29] <clivejo> Ive added those lines to bashrc too
[18:29] <clivejo> still not working
[18:29] <yofel> source your bashrc in the shell you're trying to sign something, then try gpg --clearsign /tmp/foo and tell what it does
[18:31] <clivejo> asks from my passphrase
[18:31] <yofel> any other output?
[18:31] <clivejo> You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
[18:31] <yofel> that's all o.O?
[18:32] <clivejo> yup
[18:32] <clivejo> for my key clivejo@aol.com
[18:32] <yofel> is "use-agent" in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf ?
[18:33] <clivejo> yup
[18:33] <yofel> ...
[18:34] <clivejo> how do I list the keys it knows about?
[18:34] <yofel> gpg --list-keys
[18:34] <clivejo> so it knows about that key :/
[18:35] <TJ-> There's a severe issue with the SDDM greeter. when it is in use it causes ecryptfs-recover-private to fail because it has created a separate @s (session) keyring but e-r-p puts the keys in the @us (user session) keyring
[18:35] <clivejo> I dunno :/
[18:35] <yofel> does it say "gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session" ?
[18:35] <TJ-> I'll post a bug report after dinner; spent the last 45 minutes diagnosing it with Ty hicks
[18:36] <clivejo> when the script runs debsign is says gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session and to enter passphrase
[18:37] <TJ-> yofel: nothing to do with gpg-agent; the tools insert the keys into the kernel (@us) directly (using the keyctl API), but the mount command cannot access the key because it is working from a different keyring (the @s). I only hit this because I switched from lightdm to sddm last night
[18:37] <yofel> ok, so it does try to use the agent but fails to connect to it
[18:37] <yofel> TJ-: that was for clivejo
[18:37] <TJ-> yofel: Ahhh, sorry! doh!
[18:38] <yofel> ^^
[18:38] <clivejo> oh wait
[18:38] <clivejo> its working
[18:38] <yofel> \o/
[18:38] <clivejo> but how, I have NOOOO idea!
[18:38] <clivejo> it popped up a graphical prompt for the passcode this time
[18:39] <clivejo> where can I find the lastest wily iso?
[18:43] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[18:45] <clivejo> thanks yofel
[18:45] <clivejo> yofel: probem: the screen has stopped on a diff file
[18:46] <clivejo> with a :
[18:46] <clivejo> as it its expecting input from me
[18:46] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[18:46] <yofel> I haven't run that script in a while...
[18:47] <clivejo> its a debian/control file
[18:47] <clivejo> reds and greens
[18:47] <clivejo> will I just hit enter?
[18:48] <yofel> dunno...
[18:49] <yofel> sounds like it's asking you about a merge?
[18:50] <clivejo> I just pressed q and enter
[18:51] <clivejo> must be using less to echo out the diffs
[18:52] <yofel> git diff does that automatically
[18:52] <clivejo> does it need user input if the output is greater than screen lines?
[18:53] <yofel> yes
[18:53] <clivejo> that must be what it is7
[18:53] <clivejo> here we go again
[19:02] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Promotion meeting over
[19:04] <clivejo> what did you guys achieve?
[19:08] <clivejo> 3 more packages to do
[19:10] <clivejo> done
[19:10] <clivejo> Riddell: can you unpause CI
[19:12] <clivejo> Riddell / yofel : So they are going to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/ ?
[19:27] <clivejo> anyone?
[19:28] <clivejo> is it safe to run - for f in *.changes ; do dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks $f ; do
[19:44] <clivejo> is someone working on the qa server?
[19:44] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/ doesnt seem to be working
[19:46] <Riddell> clivejo: done
[19:47] <Riddell> clivejo: have you updated the file in kubuntu-automation?
[19:47] <Riddell> clivejo: build-status-conf/frameworks.conf
[19:47] <clivejo> I havent
[19:47] <clivejo> Ive just finished the upload
[19:47] <clivejo> they are failing on Cmake
[19:48] <clivejo> but when that gets published it should be ok#
[19:48] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/+build/7905486
[19:49] <Riddell> yes cmake is always the first that needs done
[19:51] <Riddell> it'll need retries, that's what this line does   while true; do ./kubuntu-retry-builds --frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force; sleep 1200; done
[19:55] <clivejo> ok Ive updated the frameworks.conf file
[19:55] <clivejo> that needs to be pushed to bzr?
[19:55] <Riddell> yep
[19:57] <clivejo> so do a bzr commit locally
[19:57] <clivejo> and then push?
[20:02] <clivejo> Riddell: Im in trouble :/
[20:45] <clivejo> Riddell: did you move qa.kubuntu.co.uk ?
[20:46] <clivejo> looks like LP authoriation token is acting up
[21:00] <valorie> sorry guys, I've gone back to nightowl/late riser pattern again
[21:05] <valorie> and now it's time to clean the dirty floors and suck up the giant spider on my ceiling
[21:06] <sgclark> eek. yeah been spotting spiders today. Time to call the exterminator
[21:12] <clivejo> sgclark: do you know how qa.kubuntu.co.uk works?
[21:13] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.13.0_wily.html
[21:16] <sgclark> yikes. that seems broken
[21:16]  * clivejo nods
[21:17] <sgclark> whatever user they use to auth looks to be broken. Riddell will have to help there I think
[21:18] <clivejo> I think the server was moved or something
[21:24] <Riddell> clivejo: yeah I did move it
[21:25] <clivejo> know how to fix it?
[21:28] <Riddell> dunno, let's see what happens when I run it
[21:29] <clivejo> is it linked to your LP account?
[21:30] <Riddell> I really don't remember
[21:30] <Riddell> it seems to be running something
[21:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: check out Kubuntu Family on telegram
[21:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what's the purpose of that group?
[21:45] <ahoneybun> disussion on the go
[21:46] <ahoneybun> your in that group too
[21:46] <clivejo> is there a terminal based browser?
[21:47] <ahoneybun> for telegram?
[21:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://imgur.com/33qIBuV
[21:47] <clivejo> ahoneybun: nope, for qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[21:47] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:47] <ahoneybun> there is telegram-cli XD
[21:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: oh nice, but what's the font?
[21:48] <ahoneybun> oxygen
[21:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: keep a copy for release time then :)
[21:48] <ahoneybun> andrea on telegram did the konqi artwork
[21:49] <Riddell> ahoneybun: have you checked it fits on the new website?
[21:49] <ahoneybun> will do
[21:49] <ahoneybun> same size as the old one
[21:49] <ahoneybun> 1600x500
[21:51] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so yes it will look nice!
[21:56] <clivejo> Riddell: how did you fix it?
[21:58] <Riddell> clivejo: did I fix it?
[21:58] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.14.0_wily.html
[21:59] <clivejo> its working
[21:59] <clivejo> and I know it wasnt me!
[22:00] <Riddell> well well, amazing what one does
[22:00] <Riddell> I looked at the output of ps -ef to see the command that ppa-build-status-cron ran was  /usr/bin/python ./ppa-build-status -r frameworks -d wily -v 5.14.0 -c /home/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/cred -p kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks --cache ./cache-wily
[22:00] <Riddell> then I ran that command and it asked for a web browser to open a url so I did that locally and told launchpad to allow it
[22:00] <Riddell> so yay maybe it's now fixed
[22:01] <clivejo> :)
[22:01] <Riddell> yep looks like it
[22:01] <ahoneybun> I think kconfig has the same issue that it had before
[22:01] <Riddell> ok then time for bed for me
[22:01] <Riddell> clivejo: will you run that retry command?
[22:02] <clivejo> retry?
[22:03] <clivejo> Riddell: retry what command?
[22:04] <Riddell> while true; do ./kubuntu-retry-builds --frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force; sleep 1200; done
[22:04] <clivejo> on your box?
[22:08] <Riddell> clivejo: yes just run it locally
[22:08] <Riddell> and hopefully in the morning all will be compiled
[22:08]  * Riddell snoozes
[22:14] <clivejo> so there is no intelligence about this at all, it just keeps retrying over and over until they build?
[22:15] <sgclark> sadly yep
[22:16] <ari-tczew> does Framework 5.14 not need a FFe?
[22:16] <sgclark> clivejo: run that command Riddell stated above in your terminal and it will retry
[22:17] <clivejo> I have
[22:17] <clivejo> just not in a loop
[22:17] <clivejo> as I shut down my computer at night
[22:17] <sgclark> the loops will keep retrying. ahh ok
[22:18] <sgclark> will then keep retrying till you go to bed heh
[22:18] <clivejo> but thought there might be some kind of structure to the retries!
[22:20] <clivejo> sgclark: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/217944572/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.attica-kf5_5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:20] <clivejo> lot of missing symbols
[22:20] <clivejo> but qa has it marked green?
[22:23] <sgclark> much to much jetlag today to much help with symbols. Missing needs to be researched though..
[22:24] <clivejo> where you been?
[22:24] <sgclark> Randa, Switzerland for KDE sprint meeting
[22:25] <clivejo> oh right, how did that go?
[22:25] <sgclark> excellent. very tired today from trip, just resting haha
[22:26] <clivejo> you are in the states?
[22:26] <sgclark> yeah, west coast
[22:27] <clivejo> long flight!
[22:27] <sgclark> indeed lol
[22:27] <clivejo> do you go every year?
[22:27] <sgclark> was my first one
[22:28] <clivejo> :)
[22:28] <clivejo> what projects you work on?
[22:29] <sgclark> build.kde.org is mine
[22:30] <clivejo> the front and back end?
[22:30] <sgclark> yeap
[22:31] <clivejo> cool
[22:32] <clivejo> what distro is that for?
[22:32] <sgclark> it is not a distribution. it tests all KDE projects.
[22:34] <sgclark> probably better explained when my brain is not broken. 
[22:34] <sgclark> :)
[22:34] <clivejo> my brain is fried too!
[22:35] <sgclark> anyway, must afk to spend time with family. Should be around in the next day or so though to help a bit.
[22:35] <clivejo> Ill trigger another rebuild
[22:36] <clivejo> they all showing as waiting or failed
[22:43] <yofel> clivejo: it's green even with a symbol diff because all the missing symbols are "optional"
[22:43] <yofel> looks like gcc internal stuff
[22:44] <clivejo> a symbol can be optional?
[22:48] <yofel> yes, in this case it's symbols that the last couple gcc4 versions put there, but that don't actually belong to the library.
[22:49] <yofel> like in this case, most are the auto-generated class constructors/destructors