[00:00] <bprompt> austin6598:    right, is newer, wondering if it was the reverse, 20years old or so =), anyhow , is just safeboot, disable it, and turn on "legacy csm" mode in bios
[00:00] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: so is this just a binary you launch?
[00:00] <austin6598> its less than 10 years old and i dont see those options
[00:00] <bprompt> austin6598:     then boot with the usb stick
[00:01] <bprompt> austin6598:      pretty sure they're there... in some of those menus
[00:01] <bprompt> austin6598:    the usb stick not booting up, is due to that, is using UEFI mode to boot and safeboot is on
[00:01] <BadConnection> I have a directory in my home folder i extracted the program to, I want to be able to use fn+s to launch SoundNODE
[00:02] <austin6598> theres no such option
[00:03] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: does it have to be function? that can be problematic
[00:03] <BadConnection> no
[00:03] <MichaelTunnell> how about Super+S?
[00:03] <BadConnection> super?
[00:03] <MichaelTunnell> aka Windows key
[00:03] <BadConnection> sure
[00:04] <austin6598> but windows isnt super 0.o
[00:04] <BadConnection> thats meta on my envrionment
[00:04] <BadConnection> which doesn
[00:04] <BadConnection> t map. meta-a does and a bunch of other letters but meta-s doesn't map
[00:05] <BadConnection> s/-/+
[00:05] <austin6598> bprompt> i can boot to other usbs just not this one
[00:06] <bprompt> austin6598:   ohhh... ahemm.. you never said that
[00:06] <austin6598> sorry
[00:06] <bprompt> austin6598:    that just means the usb stick image is not bootable or miswritten
[00:06] <austin6598> bprompt> no caus my laptop can boot to it
[00:07] <bprompt> austin6598:    so, just need to rewrite it a good iso to it
[00:07] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: that seems odd
[00:07] <BadConnection> very odd MichaelTunnell
[00:07] <bprompt> austin6598:    as far as the stuck part at login, try booting turning off "acpi" and "apm"
[00:08] <austin6598> i dont see apm on apci=off
[00:08] <austin6598> only*
[00:08] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: well Super+S is a default command for "Stop Current Activity"
[00:08] <MichaelTunnell> do you use activities?
[00:08] <bprompt> austin6598:     your laptop can boot..    then something is up with the image you burned to it, it should boot anywhere if it boots, the bootcode is the same for either machine
[00:09] <BadConnection> MichaelTunnell: I don't even know what activites are. Are they worth using?
[00:09] <austin6598> well it shows the same problems as the installed IS so this is weird
[00:09] <bprompt> austin6598:      when using the liveusb, first screen, press F6, shows the apm and acpi checkboxes
[00:09] <austin6598> i only see acpi not apm
[00:09] <bprompt> austin6598:   ok... go with that then :)
[00:10] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: some people will suggest they are and some wont...for me they are pointless. The do the same thing as virtual desktops for me but I havent tried them thoroughly to be fair
[00:10] <bprompt> austin6598:    there's a switch to pass it in the grub boot line as well, to turn off acpi .... .the issue often is, just power management hardware compatibility drivers
[00:10] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: so lets just solve this and you can try Activities later if you want to
[00:10] <BadConnection> Sounds good to me
[00:10] <austin6598> still stuck
[00:11] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: version of Kubuntu?
[00:11] <BadConnection> 15.04
[00:11] <ahoneybun> BadConnection: http://www.datamation.com/open-source/11-activities-for-kde-plasma.html
[00:12] <MichaelTunnell> ok so I am still on 14.04 so you have Plasma 5 and I have KDE 4 so there might be some clunkiness in my steps so try to bear with me
[00:12] <bprompt> austin6598:    hmmm you could try turning off a few others, if it's having hardware compatibility issues..... anyhow need to dash... but I think pressing F5 has more boot options, and also F4, to resolve hardware compatibility matters
[00:12] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures
[00:12] <austin6598> ok thanks
[00:12] <BadConnection> ahoneybun: thanks
[00:13] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: still with me?
[00:13] <BadConnection> yes
[00:13] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures
[00:13] <BadConnection> ok
[00:14] <MichaelTunnell> by default you should be on Custom Shortcuts
[00:14] <MichaelTunnell> you will see a big Edit button in the middle towards the bottom
[00:14] <BadConnection> ok
[00:14] <MichaelTunnell> click that and choose New Group
[00:14] <BadConnection> ok
[00:14] <MichaelTunnell> I suggest naming the group Misc or whatever else because I do this as a "catch all" type place for my custom shortcuts
[00:15] <BadConnection> I named it my username
[00:15] <MichaelTunnell> once you do that click Edit again and choose New Shortcut
[00:15] <MichaelTunnell> works for me
[00:16] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: you want New Shortcut -> Global -> Command/URL
[00:16] <BadConnection> command/url | dbus command | send keyboard input
[00:16] <BadConnection> ok
[00:16] <MichaelTunnell> click the trigger tab, then click the part that says none and then hit Super+S
[00:17] <MichaelTunnell> it will then tell you "conflict with registered ..."
[00:17] <MichaelTunnell> just say reassign
[00:17] <BadConnection> ok
[00:17] <MichaelTunnell> now move to the Action tab
[00:18] <BadConnection> i got it from there thanks, created, tested, working
[00:18] <MichaelTunnell> cool cool
[00:18] <MichaelTunnell> welcome
[00:20] <BadConnection> i really appreciate it. so much to learn about kde, never used it before but i know i will eventually love it
[00:21] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: I have been a GNOME fanboy for 10 years and I tried KDE 9 months ago...I am now a KDE Fanboy
[00:21] <BadConnection> Plasma5 was just too pretty not to try
[00:21] <MichaelTunnell> it can be messy and it can be confusing for some tasks but if you can imagine it then KDE can probably do it and that is what makes KDE so freaking good
[00:22] <MichaelTunnell> I am on KDE4 still because Plasma5 is not technically done so I will wait but I customized my KDE to look better
[00:22] <BadConnection> Just hope I can get my windows serial back, I accidentally screwed up my win directory and lost the Win10 Pro serial... fml
[00:22] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: that is my KDE http://i.imgur.com/hQzrnrg.png
[00:23] <BadConnection> When 15.10 comes out I can upgrade without doing fresh install, yes?
[00:23] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: yes
[00:23] <BadConnection> Awesome. Sad I'm a Win Sys Admin and here I am jumping ship to Linux.
[00:24] <MichaelTunnell> Kubuntu versions are upgradeable as well as LTS to LTS is possible . . . non-LTS is not upgradeable to LTS unless it is the version right before
[00:24] <MichaelTunnell> for example 15.10 -> 16.04 = YUP but 16.10 -> 18.04 = NOPE
[00:24] <BadConnection> Most of the programs I use on my personal machines are ported to Windows from linux anyways.
[00:24] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: not sure how that is sad. Windows is a mess and Linux is glorious control
[00:25] <MichaelTunnell> still a mess but glorious mess really
[00:25] <BadConnection> Next I'm going to try to get box/dropbox/googledrive/mega.nz/onedrive for mah clouds
[00:26] <MichaelTunnell> all of them?
[00:26] <BadConnection> oh and nice desktop
[00:26] <BadConnection> as many of them as i can get
[00:26] <BadConnection> i use them all
[00:27] <MichaelTunnell> box I am not sure
[00:28] <MichaelTunnell> Dropbox guaranteed full support
[00:28] <MichaelTunnell> MEGA supported as well but I have never tried it to say full or not http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/download-megasync-for-linux-desktops.html
[00:28] <MichaelTunnell> onedrive I dont know
[00:28] <MichaelTunnell> googledrive yes but kind of
[00:29] <MichaelTunnell> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/01/official-google-drive-linux-client.html
[00:29] <MichaelTunnell> not sure if that is available yet or not though
[00:29] <_kmh_> hi
[00:29] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: I dont use any of them as I roll my own but thats the info I have for those
[00:29] <_kmh_> i got question regarding enabling/disabling wifi
[00:29] <MichaelTunnell> _kmh_: just ask
[00:30] <_kmh_> in the tray where the symbol for the network connection is, i get them listed when clicking on it
[00:31] <_kmh_> but when i looked at that it shows me wireless disabled
[00:31] <_kmh_> and i don't know where to enable it
[00:32] <_kmh_> i vaguely recall having disabled it myself 6 months ago or so, but i completely forgot how i did it
[00:32] <MichaelTunnell> there is a checkbox next to it I think
[00:32] <_kmh_> and i don't find any configuration menu to do it
[00:32] <MichaelTunnell> try clicking slightly next to it
[00:33] <_kmh_> no the top bar of that popup window just shows symbols and wireless has a red cross
[00:34] <_kmh_> und the right side there is tool symbol with which i can configure wifi connections, but if i do so they don't show up as enabled
[00:34] <BadConnection> Drive for Linux isn’t ready just yet, but you can still access Drive on the web and on your phone.
[00:34] <_kmh_> they are just configured and not accessible to due wifi being disabled
[00:35] <BadConnection> soooooonnnnn
[00:35] <_kmh_> any ideas?
[00:40] <BadConnection> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2015/05/install-megasync-desktop-client-in-kubuntu-15.04.html
[00:54] <MichaelTunnell> coo
[00:59] <TJ-> In 15.10, how is all the Akonadi background fluff disabled?
[01:44] <BadConnection> anyone here use musicbrainz picard
[01:49] <MichaelTunnell> nope
[03:29] <BadConnect> anyone use moun?
[03:29] <BadConnect> or can someone reccomend a package manager?
[03:33] <ahoneybun> I use Muon Discover from time to time
[03:33] <ahoneybun> BadConnect:
[03:33] <ahoneybun> I'm just used to the termina
[03:33] <ahoneybun> *l
[03:34] <BadConnect> i didn't see moun-discover was included
[03:34] <BadConnect> im not a big fan of synaptic
[03:35] <ahoneybun> it is
[03:35] <ahoneybun> very pretty
[03:36] <BadConnect> brb reboot
[05:01] <badconnect> anyone know how to install nuvola on kubuntu
[05:02] <badconnect> also box.com and yandex.com both work on kubuntu as WebDAV if anyone was wondering.
[05:04] <ahoneybun> badconnect: you can just use the ppa for package no>
[05:04] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:07] <badconnect> https://tiliado.eu/nuvolaplayer/repository/ gives me a missing dependencies error but not sure what i'm missing
[05:08] <ahoneybun> your on 15.04 right?
[05:08] <badconnect> yes
[05:09] <ahoneybun> your using that installer I'm guessing
[05:09] <badconnect> Yes the 15.04 Ubuntu installer
[05:10] <ahoneybun> apt, apt-transport-https, python3, python3-gi, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.10), python3-xdg, python3:any (>= 3.3.2-2~)
[05:10] <ahoneybun> thats what the installer needs it seems
[05:10] <ahoneybun> I wonder
[05:11] <ahoneybun> no vivid has the right version of python..
[05:14] <ahoneybun> badconnect: see what it says in konsole with this: dpkg install tiliado-repositories_0.3.5-1_all.deb
[05:16] <badconnect> error need an action option ahoneybun
[05:16] <badconnect> want me to apt-get instead
[05:16] <ahoneybun> dpkg -i tiliado-repositories_0.3.5-1_all.deb
[05:17] <badconnect> no such file or directory ahoneybun
[05:18] <ahoneybun> are you in the directory where you downloaded the .deb?
[05:20] <badconnect> oh durr one moment
[05:22] <badconnect> Package gir1.2-gtk-3.0 is not installed and Package python3-xdg is not installed ahoneybun
[05:22] <ahoneybun> got it looking for something
[05:23] <ahoneybun> odd that they are marked as deps but not being installed
[05:23] <badconnect> yeah
[05:24] <ahoneybun> easiest thing to do is install those packages then then run dpkg -i again
[05:24] <ahoneybun> the packages are in the repos
[05:24] <ahoneybun> I've checked both of those
[05:25] <badconnect> i can just sudo apt-get install them right
[05:26] <ahoneybun> yep
[05:26] <badconnect> ty
[05:26] <ahoneybun> we'll see XD
[05:27] <badconnect> E: Package 'python3-xdg' has no installation candidate
[05:28] <ahoneybun> ??? http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/python3-xdg
[05:28] <ahoneybun> I'm guessing the other package installed fine then
[05:29] <ahoneybun> mm maybe you need python installed
[05:30] <ahoneybun> I have it installed and that package installed just fine
[05:30] <ahoneybun> damn its 1:30am lol
[05:31] <ahoneybun> sudo apt-get install python
[05:32] <ahoneybun> install that then try python3-xdg again, if those work out then the try the .deb again with dpkg -i
[05:32] <badconnect> ok lets see
[05:32] <ahoneybun> k
[05:34] <badconnect> python already newest version then i get the
[05:34] <badconnect> E: Package 'python3-xdg' has no installation candidate
[05:34] <ahoneybun> mm
[05:34] <ahoneybun> really weird
[05:34] <ahoneybun> I dont' have a vivid system to try much more
[05:34] <badconnect> its ok
[05:34] <badconnect> the other pkg installed fine but i still get ackage gir1.2-gtk-3.0 is not installed
[05:35] <ahoneybun> all my systems are on wily
[05:35] <ahoneybun> so it is gir1.2-gtk-3.0?
[05:36] <badconnect> ^ said it installed but when i .deb again with dpkg -i i get both dep errors still
[05:37] <ahoneybun> really odd
[05:37] <ahoneybun> sadly I really do need to sleep lol
[05:37] <ahoneybun> I'll be around tomorrow and some others as well
[05:37] <badconnect> thanks, i need sleep too
[05:38] <ahoneybun> night badconnect
[05:38] <badconnect> at least i got all but 2 of my clouds added
[05:38] <badconnect> night ahoneybun
[05:38] <ahoneybun> that is goof
[05:38] <ahoneybun> *good
[05:38] <TJ-> Is it an architecture error?
[05:38]  * ahoneybun is out
[05:38] <badconnect> TJ-: that would be way over my head
[05:40] <TJ-> If you have multilib enabled - e.g. the host is 64-bit (amd64) but the package being installed is Foreign  32-bit (i386) then it will expect the foreign architecture version of the package. I would have thought with Python packages they'd all be architeture 'any' though, since they are basically text files for the interpreter - but if they contain compiled libraries they'd have a binary architecture package
[05:42] <badconnect> ahhh
[05:42] <badconnect> makes sense
[05:42] <badconnect> though I don't really know. I've tired my best to make sure everything is 64bit
[05:58] <TJ-> badconnect: the package you're trying to install manually: what arch is it for (the arch is usually the last segment in the filename) ?
[05:59] <TJ-> badconnect: e.g. _amd64.deb or _i386.deb or _all.deb
[05:59] <badconnect> _all.deb
[06:00] <badconnect> TJ-: https://tiliado.github.io/nuvolaplayer/documentation/3.0/install.html#ubuntu
[06:05] <TJ-> !info python3 vivid
[06:06] <TJ-> !info gir1.2-gtk-3.0 vivid
[06:09] <TJ-> !info libgtk-3.0 vivid
[06:10] <TJ-> !info libgtk-3-0 vivid
[06:13] <TJ-> badconnect: did you try to install those missing packages manually?
[06:14] <badconnect> yeah
[06:15] <badconnect> girl.2-gtk-3.0 installed, the other did not but when i try to install nuvola it says both are missing
[06:17] <TJ-> Is that 'dpkg' reporting packages missing, or the nuvola program? Can you pastebin the terminal output when trying to install the package?
[06:20] <badconnect> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/XuC1uAdg
[06:23] <TJ-> badconnect: and what happens when you do "sudo apt-get install python3-xdg gir1.2-gtk-3.0" ?
[06:25] <badconnect> http://pastebin.com/K18VbMp1
[06:27] <TJ-> badconnect: how about "apt-cache policy python3-xdg gir1.2-gtk-3.0" ?
[06:28] <badconnect> http://pastebin.com/Khuaz06k TJ-
[06:28] <TJ-> badconnect: something major is wrong with the system's archive config
[06:29] <badconnect> nuvola or my rig
[06:30] <badconnect> im on a fresh install :(
[06:30] <TJ-> badconnect: "pastebinit <( grep -r '^deb' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/} )"
[06:31] <badconnect> ouch
[06:31] <badconnect> TJ-: major wrong
[06:32] <badconnect> i can't even apt-get pastebinit fml
[06:32] <TJ-> badconnect: OK just do " grep -r '^deb' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/} " and paste it manually
[06:33] <badconnect> http://pastebin.com/DQnqgYFS would apt-get update help me?
[06:35] <TJ-> badconnect: It should. I mentioned that earlier; thought you'd done it
[06:36] <badconnect> TJ-:  sorry didn't see that let me run some stuff again
[06:38] <svend-ev> Good morning
[06:40] <badconnect> TJ-: ok i got everything installed no errors but when i open start menu and search nuvola nothing appears in results
[06:40] <soee> hiho
[06:41] <TJ-> badconnect: Try log-out/log-in that may refresh the application cache
[06:41] <badconnect> ok thanks brb
[06:44] <BadConnnection> TJ-: still no result when I search. I'm also getting a KDE Wallet Service error error Code -9 read error possibly incorrect password but I know it's not.
[06:45] <TJ-> Maybe it's something to do with nuvola package. Is it supposed to install a desktop application entry?
[06:46] <TJ-> BadConnnection: You did reinstall that package after fixing the dependencies ?
[06:46] <BadConnnection> I believe so. It's a wrapper for services like google music. Yes I did.
[06:47] <TJ-> BadConnnection: can't help you there, then. Sounds like a nuvola issue
[06:47] <BadConnnection> Ok thanks
[06:47] <BadConnnection> Any idea about the KDE Wallet error TJ-
[06:49] <TJ-> BadConnnection: I think you need to set the password on the wallet, so it matches your log-in password
[06:49] <BadConnnection> I need sleep anyways, I'm going to reboot and try then go to bed. I swear I already set it.
[06:50] <TJ-> Good luck :)
[06:58] <ButaTine> Hello
[06:58] <ButaTine> I'd like some help
[06:58] <ButaTine> I've got an ubuntu 15.04 install updated to kernel 4.2
[06:58] <ButaTine> except it was the linux mint desktop version
[06:59] <ButaTine> I have now uninstalled Mate, and installed XFCE, which seems to be missing some utilities
[06:59] <ButaTine> I wish to install KDE, properly, so that I get all standard utlities
[07:00] <ButaTine> is the correct action to do kde-full as described on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[07:01] <ButaTine> or will kubuntu-desktop be fine and not break anything?
[07:07] <badconnect> got it working!
[08:26] <ejay> Hi all. Did they just shiped 5.4.1 for wily?
[08:29] <lordievader> !info plasma-desktop wily
[08:29] <lordievader> !info plasma-workspace wily
[08:30] <lordievader> Hmm that is odd.
[08:31] <ejay> lordievader: I am downlaoding for example plasma-desktop amd64 4:5.4.1-0ubuntu2 [1492 kB]
[08:31] <ejay> and new kernel
[08:32] <ejay> via dist-upgrade
[08:35] <lordievader> Yes, I'd say that is 5.4.1. Don't know why ubottu says 5.3.2 is in Wily.
[08:40] <soee> ejay: 5.4.1 is since lastr week i think
[08:40] <soee> if you have different mirror than main server, you might get them a bit later
[08:43] <ejay> soee: I remember that KDE announced 5.4.1 last week and it takes couple of days for kubuntu to ship it, but this is super fast. That is why I am asking.
[08:47] <soee> ejay: well 5.4.1 packages were ready before official release, thats why it is so fast this time
[08:54] <ejay> soee: did they fixed out-of-nowhere plasma crashes?
[09:14] <soee> ejay: depends of what crahses you are talking. I had a lot of crashes after mesa update i think as there is bug in intel driver and it caused plasma crashes for me
[09:20] <ejay> soe
[09:20] <ejay> soee: I can't remember when intel or mesa were updated. Well, will see.
[09:39] <soee> ejay: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=intel-plasma-5-driver-crash
[11:14] <nenntmicheinfach> hi at all
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:09] <CannotInstall> hi
[12:09] <CannotInstall> Can anyone help m,e
[12:09] <CannotInstall> I am trying to install kubuntu 15.04
[12:09] <CannotInstall> but there seems to be a problem with installer
[12:09] <CannotInstall> cause when I choose 'Manual' for partitioning option
[12:10] <CannotInstall> nothing is shown to me
[12:10] <CannotInstall> it looks like this: http://postimg.org/image/srm7swiez/
[12:13] <BluesKaj> CannotInstall, do you just get a spinning icon after clicking continue?
[12:15] <soee> BluesKaj: is it possible somehow that he had partition mounted when running live session and this caused the problem ?
[12:15] <soee> or this should not have any influnace on installer ?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> soee, i thought the same thing , but I've never had to unmont any drives when installing an OS and choosing manual partitioning when installing an OS, think the drive is auto unmounted
[12:19] <lordievader> Or he simply needed to wait longer. If you already have a complex setup it takes longer for the partition manager to load.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> lordievader, maybe he didn't click on continue , because he left right after I mentioned it  :-)
[12:25] <soee> BluesKaj: might be, so maybe there should be message rendered ater this option is selected like "Click Continue button to go ... xxxx "
[12:29] <TJ-> I suspect there was a fault device attached, probably spamming the kernel log with I/O errors
[12:29] <BluesKaj> soe, lordievader it could be a language problem, the user lives in Serbia abds didn't understand the word 'continue"
[12:29] <BluesKaj> soee, ^
[12:31] <BluesKaj> perhaps  he didn't understand, can't be sure , maybe the devs should insert "next" instead of "continue" in the button
[16:06] <novacaine> hello everybody, i'm looking for a software that let me monitor multiple computers on a lan network
[16:06] <novacaine> minitor all of them at the same time (I have do "admin" a classroom of high school students  and i want to see what thery're doing)
[16:07] <novacaine> i was googling a bit, i'd like t have something like this software http://www.lanvisor.com/
[18:17] <Trec> how do I install software from tar.gz
[18:19] <lordievader> Trec: Unpack and compile. Though this usually isn't recommended. Especially not if it is in the repo.
[18:22] <Trec> how do I know if it's in the repo
[18:22] <Trec> lordievader,
[18:26] <lordievader> Trec: What are you looking for?
[18:27] <Trec> lordievader, in general, I constantly have issues with that concept, I waste hours for installing software
[18:28] <Trec> lordievader, how do I check the repositories that are saved on my system? that my system drains from right now?
[18:29] <lordievader> Trec: In general "apt-cache search <package-name>"
[18:30] <Trec> lordievader, what does that do? searches for software in my current repositories?
[18:31] <lordievader> It searches the configured repo for the string you give it.
[18:31] <Trec> the repo I have right now?
[18:31] <Trec> how do I know what the repositories I use
[18:36] <lordievader> Trec: cat /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
[18:41] <Trec> what is the difference between RPM and PPA??
[18:41] <Trec> lordievader,
[18:41] <sithlord48> RPM is a package format.
[18:42] <sithlord48> PPA is a repositry of packages (Personal Package Archive)
[18:42] <lordievader> RPM is used on Redhat based systemd.
[18:42] <lordievader> systems*
[18:42] <Pici> PPAs contain deb packages.
[18:42] <sithlord48> *buntu being built on debian uses DEB package . and as lordievader just said RPM is used in red hat and its derivitides
[18:43] <Trec> oohhh, so RPM is just like DEB, and PPA is a dumpster of RPMs and DEBs
[18:43] <sithlord48> sorta..
[18:44] <sithlord48> RPM and DEB both are packge formats .
[18:44] <Trec> right?
[18:45] <sithlord48> since PPA's are generally for *buntu i don't think you will find many RPMs in them.. some other distros have similar to PPA but they are called somethign different
[18:45] <Trec> but.. do redhats use PPAs as well? Or this term is alien to them?
[18:46] <sithlord48> for instance Arch Linux calls it  PPA system the AUR (Arch User Repsitory)
[18:47] <sithlord48> it does not act or work like the PPA's hosted on launchpad.net since those are for ubuntu . but the end result is the same you can package programs for others to use that are outside the "Offical" software channel
[18:47] <Trec> I think I don't understand the term repository, it's a place where software is stored, or a place where software gets somewhat converted to a usable matter and a PPA is a software itself?
[18:48] <sithlord48> a repository is where software is stored
[18:48] <Trec> so why it's called PPA instead of just "Ubuntu repository"
[18:48] <sithlord48> you can have you own Repos . on *buntu they are called PPA
[18:49] <sithlord48> the ubuntu repositry is the main software repo for ubuntu (and its deritivies like kubuntu ) . PPAs are made by users and have software that the ower of that ppa builds
[18:49] <Trec> ohh, so PPAs are repositories maintained unofficialy by other people?
[18:49] <sithlord48> YES
[18:49] <sithlord48> sorry caps
[18:49] <sithlord48> but the term PPA is used only for those that are hosted on Launchpad.net
[18:50] <Trec> oh, so what are PPAs called on redhat?
[18:50] <sithlord48> idk i don't use redhat.
[18:50] <sithlord48> they may not have a similar system
[18:50] <Trec> PPAs are only ubuntus?
[18:50] <sithlord48> yes they are hosted on launchpad.net
[18:50] <BluesKaj> Trec, go ask at the redhat chat
[18:50] <Trec> ok now it's a lot more clear to me
[18:51] <sithlord48> as i was saying above other distros might have a system that is like that but they are called something else
[18:51] <Trec> BluesKaj, but I use Ubuntu I'm just confused
[18:51] <sithlord48> and may or maynto work the same behind the scenes
[18:51] <sithlord48> so for examaple i have a PPA on launchpad
[18:51] <Trec> you have your own PPA and you store software on it?
[18:52] <sithlord48> yup
[18:52] <sithlord48> https://launchpad.net/~sithlord48/+archive/ubuntu/ff7-daily
[18:52] <sithlord48> thats my stuff thats built daily ..
[18:52] <BluesKaj> redhat uses a different packaging system rpm files ubuntus use the debian /deb packages/dpkg
[18:52] <Trec> build you mean compile?
[18:52] <Trec> so I could download it straight to my kubuntu?
[18:53] <sithlord48> yes launchpad it compiles and builds teh whole package for you
[18:53] <sithlord48> if you add my ppa you will see those programs in your package manager or can install with apt
[18:53] <BluesKaj> if he needs them
[18:53] <sithlord48> well yes if you need them
[18:54] <sithlord48> chances are you dont cause they are really just tools for hacking FF7
[18:54] <Trec> oh lol
[18:54] <sithlord48> it very kindly makes a .deb for each version of ubuntu (14.04,14.410 , etc.. ) that you ask it to
[18:54] <Trec> ok so, let's say I want to download a software X, do developers have their own PPAs or do I have to download a tar.gz and do something with it?
[18:54] <sithlord48> this makes it so i know that package will work on what ever version your on . since libs change
[18:55] <Trec> ohhh
[18:55] <sithlord48> IDk depends on the software if they have a ppa or provide a ubuntu deb file
[18:55] <Trec> so wait, launchpad builds it from the source code for me?
[18:55] <sithlord48> yup
[18:55] <Trec> yes! this is it
[18:56] <sithlord48> if it fails you need to fix you package or the programs code.
[18:56] <Trec> often when I wanted to install a software, they gave me a source file, a tar.gz file and I was trying to install it like a retard
[18:56] <sithlord48> Trec:  you get it now ?
[18:56] <sithlord48> that maybe need to be built locally .. you can search launchpad for a ppa with taht package maybe you will find it maybe not
[18:56] <Trec> so launchpad could make that source code usable for me?
[18:57] <sithlord48> yes. but you have to be able to compile to make the build insructions
[18:57] <Trec> ok now it's way cleared to me
[18:57] <Trec> so it requires skill it's not something any peasant can do?
[18:57] <sithlord48> as an end user know launchpad is there and you can add PPAs
[18:57] <Okitain> Trec: tell us the name of the software
[18:58] <sithlord48> you have to make a debian complient package for launchpad to build and need to set up a ppa.. its not usually something a non dev would do
[18:58] <BluesKaj> Trec, you can also compile from source like tar.gz files, you just need soem extra tools to do so like build-essential, make and sometimes mercurial
[18:58] <BluesKaj> !make
[18:58] <BluesKaj> Trec, ^
[18:59] <Trec> ok so building ppas are not for peasants, so not for me definitely
[18:59] <sithlord48> i would not recommend it unless you are making software or have experance packaing .
[19:00] <BluesKaj> no leave building ppas for the devs
[19:00] <sithlord48> what is this software maybe we can find you a ppa that has it
[19:01] <Trec> I don't remember now, because earlier I spent a lot of time scanning the internet to get the software I wanted installed tried "make" "configure" commands, everything, yesterday I finally gave up and today I decided to just understand the basic principles
[19:01] <Trec> less frustrating
[19:02] <Okitain> um
[19:02] <sithlord48> understanding helps with fustration alot...
[19:02] <Okitain> Trec, you do understand different software may require different ways of compiling it, right?
[19:02] <Trec> PPA RPM DEB Tar.GZ everywhere things that I did not understand
[19:02] <Trec> Okitain, nope
[19:02] <Okitain> Okay, let's break it down
[19:03] <Trec> Okitain, I mean yes, I know that different programming languages require different compilers that's it
[19:03] <Okitain> There are two ways of packaging software: either you package sources, which means the user must compile it according to the instructions supplied
[19:04] <Okitain> or you package binaries, which means the user only has to unpack the software to use it
[19:04] <genii> Basically when wanting to install software, the order of operations should be: try searching the packages which are already available in the repositories. If not there, search the Personal Package Archives (PPAs). If not there, as a last resort, look at compiling it yourself
[19:04] <sithlord48> each is good for its own reason
[19:04] <Trec> ohh
[19:04] <sithlord48> what genii is very true
[19:05] <Trec> I have to read it a couple of times
[19:05] <sithlord48> the main advantage of installing a PPA version over building your own is you will recive updates from the PPA whe nnew versions are released
[19:05] <sithlord48> other then of couse not having to build the software your self
[19:06] <genii> Trec: The type of packages which Ubuntu uses are called DEB files, it was used originally in Debian, from which Ubuntu comes. RPM is for RedHat and not Ubuntu. tar.gz is a compressed file ( tarred and gzipped), which is usually how source code for an application comes
[19:07] <Trec> in the repositories, which repositories? the official ones provided by default by ubuntu?
[19:08] <sithlord48> first use the included package manager
[19:08] <Trec> ok now it makes a lot of sense
[19:08] <genii> Trec: Yes. the official ones are listed in the file /etc/apt/sources.list   ...when you add PPas, they go in their own separate files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<somenamehere>
[19:09] <sithlord48> when you first install ubuntu there is a provided list of sources that it will check ..
[19:09] <BluesKaj> yes Trec look in your /etc/apt/sources.list for default repos (repositories)
[19:09] <sithlord48> if you add a PPA it will add that to your list as well. you can look in your package manager to find programs if its in a repoisitory you have added (ppa or otherwise)
[19:11] <Trec> so the provided software manager with a gui scans the insides of said official repositories and PPAs ?
[19:11] <sithlord48> yes but you need to add the PPAs first they are not added by defalut
[19:11] <Trec> and the repositories get updated over time?
[19:11] <sithlord48> yup
[19:12] <Trec> mhmm ok now I understand it a lot more than before
[19:12] <sithlord48> that is good
[19:12] <Trec> so the software in repositories is already in .DEB format?
[19:13] <sithlord48> yes the packages you download will be in deb format
[19:14] <Trec> thank you so much guys now I know where to do a further research, I know the directions I should go to learn more
[19:15] <sithlord48> your welcome .
[19:16] <Trec> let's say I want latest nvidia drivers, are they compiled by the nvidia devs? are they in repositories? or do Nvidia have their own PPA how does that work with licensed software?
[19:16] <sithlord48> PPA's will mosty avhe freesoftware
[19:17] <sithlord48> i can't really say i don't use any of the blob drivers i have all FOSS drivers on here.
[19:17] <Trec> you mean open source software?
[19:17] <sithlord48> yes
[19:17] <Trec> open source drivers*?
[19:17] <sithlord48> yup
[19:19] <BluesKaj> Trec, check the driver manager in systemsettings , it links to the repos , but recommends the best driver for your gpu and then it installs the driver if you cheoose to continue
[19:19] <Trec> oh, what if something is not open source, I had issues with Flux earlier https://justgetflux.com/linux.html and for the KDE plasmoid they did not give ANYTHING at all, I did not know what to do (now I know I should've searched the ppas)
[19:19] <genii> As far as NVidia or AMD/ATI drivers... if you add the official repository which is called "restricted" you will get official but slightly older drivers.
[19:20] <genii> For newer but not strictly offical drivers, there is the xorg-edgers PPA
[19:20] <sithlord48> genii:  does that have the properitary drivers there also ?
[19:20] <genii> sithlord48: Yes, the reason it is in the "Restricted" repos is because of the licensing which is not OSS
[19:21] <Trec> genii, what do you mean by not strictly official drivers, you mean they are not straight from NVIDIA?
[19:21] <sithlord48> genii:  i ment the xorg-egers PPA ..
[19:21] <sithlord48> trac they are not offically supported by ubuntu as they are usually newer then what has been tested
[19:21] <genii> sithlord48: Yes, xorg-edgers have newer proprietary drivers than the "restricted" repo
[19:21] <sithlord48> oh that i didn't know ..
[19:22] <sithlord48> Trec:  this flux thing seams to be a gnome applet.. your not gonna get it working in kde
[19:23] <BluesKaj> genii, xedgers doesn't always upgrade their drivers so they're up to date ...had problems with them after kernel upgrades etc
[19:24] <Trec> genii, why do they have newer drivers how come? I thought only Nvidia could have the newest drivers for linux
[19:25] <Trec> sithlord48, well yeah I somehow could not make it work, they say it should work on KDE with terminal, but I didn't bother and installed redshift instead
[19:26] <ik_> hi
[19:26] <sithlord48> hello
[19:26] <genii> sorry, busy, just messed up a ban in #ubuntu
[19:26] <ik_> how are you ?
[19:26] <sithlord48> Trec:  nvidia does make the drivers
[19:26] <sithlord48> the xorg edgers PPA hosts them
[19:26] <Trec> genii, so xorg-edgers have newer Nvidia drivers? How did they get that are they connected with nvidia somehow?
[19:27] <Trec> hi
[19:27] <sithlord48> teh "supported" driver version for any given ubuntu release may not be the current version released by nvidia
[19:27] <ik_> do you know sites of Tor onion ?
[19:28] <Trec> sithlord48, you mean open source drivers?
[19:29] <sithlord48> no the propertary drivers that are "offically" supported by any ubuntu release
[19:30] <Trec> so you mean the official drivers are older, and the newest are "beta" drivers
[19:30] <Trec> hosted by xorg-edgers
[19:30] <sithlord48> they don't have to be beta just newer version then what was offically tested..
[19:30] <Trec> ok I understand now
[19:31] <sithlord48> versions go in to freeze like 2 months before release if i new driver comes out after that freeze its not tested .
[19:31] <sithlord48> that is what the xorg edgers ppa will have
[19:31] <BluesKaj> Trec, the nouveau driver is the open source driver for nvidia gpus on ubuntu and flavours, the nvidia-340 for example is considered proprieatary
[19:31] <Trec> can you tell me why xorg-edgers host them, are they some kind of specialists?
[19:32] <sithlord48> its kinda like a staging area people can get the whole new X stack and test so bugs can be found
[19:33] <Trec> everything makes a lot of sense now wow
[19:33] <sithlord48> sometimes you just wnat to be on that edge also .. if you want to you can be.
[19:33] <Trec> that's a pretty awesome community-driven structure
[19:33] <sithlord48> i like to be on the most current kde stuff so i use a ppa for that
[19:34] <Trec> who maintains that ppa? KDE devs?
[19:34] <sithlord48> kubuntu maintainers.
[19:34] <Trec> or someone else, getting it from KDE devs
[19:34] <sithlord48> kde devs are not really assoited with any specific distro
[19:35] <sithlord48> they use many distros some use kubuntu some open suse.. some redhat some debian.. etc...
[19:35] <sithlord48> a large project like kde will have a package maintainer for each distro so that persons job is to focus on packaging the software for a specific distro
[19:36] <sithlord48> could be a group or a single person ..
[19:36] <Trec> wow that is some big time chain here, KDE develops the desktop, ubuntus develops the distro and are taking the desktop, xbuntus are taking the ubuntus to develop xbuntus.....
[19:37] <sithlord48> everyone does their part.
[19:37] <bprompt> Trec:   nothing new there, for the last hmmm 30years or so
[19:37] <Trec> like ants in a nest
[19:38] <sithlord48> kinda.. but we have a bunch of nests all tangled together like a super colany
[19:39] <Trec> yeah I don't understand really why it doesn't get more attention than windows
[19:39] <sithlord48> $
[19:40] <sithlord48> were not doing it for $ .... we don't have ads...
[19:42] <Trec> oh how did you know that the flux software was for gnome?
[19:42] <Trec> sithlord48,
[19:43] <sithlord48>  "The new package uses Gnome's AppIndicator, so it works on Ubuntu 10.04+"
[19:44] <sithlord48> you want the xflux deamon  and need to start it via CLI . since kde don't work with gnome applets.
[19:44] <Trec> so it would work the same just without gui?
[19:44] <Trec> what's X-Windows?
[19:44] <sithlord48> i would think so .. you might need to make a config file
[19:45] <Trec> oh there's a wiki entry for that
[19:45] <sithlord48> X is our display server
[19:46] <sithlord48> accually called  xorg now
[19:46] <Trec> I know it has something to do with graphics only
[19:47] <Trec> oh ok I get it now
[19:50] <Trec> man there's a lot to learn
[19:52] <sithlord48> you will in due time.. i have been using linux for about 10 years as my main os and have toyed with it for years before that..
[19:53] <sithlord48> i still don't know alot of stuff.. it all depends on how deep you want to go
[20:52] <wbill>  Hiya has anyone been able to dual boot a Macbook 2,1 from late 2006ish with Kubuntu?
[22:55] <gj> how to install smplayer
[22:57] <clivejo> gj from the terminal you can use "sudo apt-get install smplayer"
[22:58] <clivejo> or via Muon Discover, just type smplayer in the search
[23:00] <gj> ah ok let me see in Muon
[23:01] <gj> don't see it in Muon
[23:02] <clivejo> what version of Kubuntu are you on?
[23:03] <clivejo> you might have to enable the universe repro
[23:06] <clivejo> If you open up "Software Sources" and make sure the Community-maintained free and open-source software (universe) is checked
[23:08] <ahoneybun> clivejo: it is in the graphic department
[23:08] <ahoneybun> in core ubuntu
[23:08] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=smplayer&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all
[23:08] <clivejo> trusty (14.04LTS) (graphics): complete front-end for MPlayer and MPlayer2 [universe]
[23:09] <ahoneybun> also just found it in Muon Discover
[23:09] <clivejo> need universe enabled though?
[23:09] <ahoneybun> I have enabled nothing
[23:09] <ahoneybun> stock install
[23:10] <clivejo> gj cant see it in Muon
[23:10] <ahoneybun> muon or muon discover?
[23:11] <ahoneybun> apt seein
[23:11] <ahoneybun> apt search smplayer and it is there
[23:12] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:12] <gj> 15.04
[23:12] <ahoneybun> that should work
[23:14] <gj> where do i find Muon Discover
[23:15] <clivejo> Alt-Spacebar to bring up KRunner then type Muon Discover
[23:16] <gj> ok cool got it thanks so very much
[23:17] <gj> oh how do  i add quick launch to the task bar? with this new version?
[23:19] <clivejo>  menu click over the application icon in the taskbar and select "Show a Launcher when not running"
[23:21] <gj> ok did that did not see a change on the task bar
[23:21] <gj> oh no wait i do see it now
[23:21] <clivejo> you might have to close the app for it to appear
[23:22] <gj> cool thanks so very much have a good day
[23:22] <onclejibe> hello guys !
[23:22] <clivejo> no problem gj
[23:22] <clivejo> hi onclejibe
[23:22] <onclejibe> somebody's can help me maybe...?
[23:23] <clivejo> sure :) Maybe if we knew what the problem was ?
[23:23] <onclejibe> i just want to upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu so i install the kubuntu-desktop paquage
[23:23] <onclejibe> and in my console i write sudo apt-get install kdm
[23:24] <onclejibe> but
[23:24] <clivejo> what version of ubuntu
[23:24] <onclejibe> Package kdm is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it:   kde-wallpapers
[23:24] <clivejo> I believe it moved from kdm to sddm in 15.04
[23:24] <ahoneybun> it has
[23:24] <onclejibe> ubuntu 15.04
[23:24] <ahoneybun> kdm is gone
[23:25] <onclejibe> so ?
[23:25] <clivejo> then you dont need kdm in 15.04 its been replaced by sddm
[23:25] <ahoneybun> unless the -desktop package is still calling for it
[23:25] <onclejibe> sudo apt-get install sddm ?
[23:25] <clivejo> which I believe is installed when you install Kubuntu-desktop#
[23:25] <user> Hi
[23:26] <clivejo> hi Guest36157 aka user
[23:27] <Guest36157> how are you?
[23:27] <ahoneybun> clivejo: you know about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[23:27] <ahoneybun> ?
[23:27] <onclejibe> Kubuntu-desktop is installed but i'm still on ubuntu desktop...
[23:28] <onclejibe> i don't know why..
[23:28] <onclejibe> maybe you know a command to type in the console?
[23:28] <clivejo> when  you installed the kubuntu-desktop package did it display a screen to select the display manager?
[23:29] <kunguz> \join #pardus
[23:29] <onclejibe> no
[23:29] <onclejibe> it don't
[23:30] <clivejo> onclejibe: have you tried ahoneybun suggestion and use tasksel?
[23:30] <onclejibe> what is it?
[23:30] <ahoneybun> I've never used it tbh just know about it
[23:31] <ahoneybun> the wiki page says it just installs meta packages basically
[23:31] <clivejo> just helper app that installs software for certain tasks
[23:31]  * ahoneybun would just do a clean install
[23:32] <clivejo> when I moved over from Ubuntu I just installed kubuntu-desktop and it pulled in all the required packages
[23:32] <clivejo> but that was a long time ago!
[23:33] <clivejo> and I have no desire to see Unity again to test or find out
[23:34] <onclejibe> i just try to install packages by tasksel
[23:35] <clivejo> hopefully that will install all the packages you need to boot into Kubuntu
[23:35] <onclejibe> and is doing something when i choose kubuntu full packages but nothing more and i am still in ubuntu desktop... arff
[23:35] <onclejibe> ;-)
[23:35] <clivejo> have you rebooted?
[23:36] <onclejibe> ok i will try
[23:37] <ahoneybun> clivejo: well log out
[23:44] <onclejibe> thanks a lot !!
[23:44] <onclejibe> tha's working !
[23:45] <clivejo> you in kubuntu now?
[23:45] <onclejibe> yep
[23:45] <clivejo> :)
[23:45] <onclejibe> thank you !
[23:45] <onclejibe> ;-)
[23:45] <clivejo> no problem
[23:45] <clivejo> hope you like it as much as we do
[23:47] <clivejo> the Krunner is a handy tool, press Alt-Spacebar and it brings up a search box.  You can do lots of things from it, from open apps, find docs and even use it as a calculator!