| dholbach | good morning | 07:31 |
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| dholbach | popey, do you think you can upload http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/help.ubuntucoredev_0.5_all.click with "Updated translations."? | 07:34 |
| popey | dholbach: sure thing | 07:46 |
| * dholbach hugs popey | 07:47 | |
| popey | all done dholbach | 07:50 |
| dholbach | thanks a bunch! | 07:51 |
| popey | np | 07:54 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Eat a Hoagie Day! 😃 | 08:31 |
| popey | JamesTait: single handedly driving traffic to the subway sandwich page of wikipedia | 08:32 |
| JamesTait | 😃 | 08:32 |
| JamesTait | I'm not on commission from Greggs. | 08:33 |
| davmor2 | Honest gov'nor | 09:01 |
| brendand | davmor2, wouldn't it be more like 'tis truth i tell thee' :) | 09:03 |
| popey | balloons: seems calculator also still has utopic building, can this please be disabled (across all apps?)? https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app-mathjs-2-upgrade/+merge/268046 | 12:11 |
| ahayzen | popey, OWM radar seems pretty accurate as well... rain just beyond Oxford (it just stopped raining :-) ) | 12:19 |
| popey | hah | 12:19 |
| popey | ahayzen: what's the api like? | 12:20 |
| ahayzen | not sure, haven't looked yet | 12:20 |
| popey | kk | 12:20 |
| popey | morning balloons ^^ :D | 13:14 |
| balloons | aye-aye | 13:20 |
| popey | ta | 13:21 |
| mcphail | nemo: I'll be back from work around 2230 UK time this evening. If you're around and free we can have another look at hw | 13:51 |
| nemo | m'k | 13:56 |
| nemo | mcphail: well first thing that would be nice to have would be verbose build logs to look into that link error | 13:57 |
| nemo | which seems likely due to using libs from wrong location, or else you wouldn'tve gotten to linking | 13:57 |
| mcphail | nemo: OK. I've got a tarball of the tweaked source from my backup machine. I'll ping you later when I've got it building again. Remind me of the build flags to get a verbose log output? | 13:59 |
| nemo | mcphail: make VERBOSE=1 oughta do the trick | 14:00 |
| mcphail | nemo: ack | 14:00 |
| justCarakas | looks like ubuntu started an add campain on android :D https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t35.0-12/12011693_10206563951450537_2014479127_o.jpg?oh=e515a8ae9d301e189b815fbce73905be&oe=55F8F979 | 15:14 |
| carlduke2 | Hi everyone, I'm working on a open source project for ubuntu, it's called IntelligentSecurity | 15:27 |
| carlduke2 | and provides face authentication using a webcam | 15:28 |
| carlduke2 | if you want to check it out, its hosted on github | 15:28 |
| carlduke2 | https://github.com/charslab/IntelligentSecurity | 15:28 |
| nemo | huh. kinda neat | 15:28 |
| nemo | I've never had any luck w/ that on my phone which was why I switched to swipe pattern and fingerprint, but still fun | 15:29 |
| nemo | (my android phone) | 15:29 |
| nemo | might work better on a laptop too | 15:29 |
| nemo | more reliable positioning and such | 15:29 |
| carlduke2 | check it out, it works on any desktop/laptop | 15:31 |
| carlduke2 | I must say it works pretty well too, after some training it can recognize my face even with low light and a shitty webcam | 15:32 |
| carlduke2 | its based on opencv | 15:32 |
| nemo | carlduke2: well, problem w/ that is always false positives I 'spose | 15:35 |
| nemo | carlduke2: does it do clever things to cut down on the photo trick? like trying to see if the image seems live? | 15:35 |
| carlduke2 | Nothing still implemented against photo trick, although it seems not to recognize them as positive (but it may happen with me only) | 15:36 |
| carlduke2 | so that's one thing which has to be implemented | 15:36 |
| carlduke2 | but you may try it for yourself | 15:37 |
| carlduke2 | do you have qt creator installed? | 15:37 |
| nemo | carlduke2: well. I do have qt build env for Hedgewars ☺ | 15:38 |
| nemo | carlduke2: but I'm not physically at my machine so wouldn't do much good. | 15:38 |
| carlduke2 | just install qtcreator, clone the repo, run configure_env.sh and build it :D | 15:38 |
| nemo | p'raps someone here might be interested | 15:38 |
| carlduke2 | yeah that would be nice | 15:39 |
| carlduke2 | you develop hedgewars? | 15:39 |
| carlduke2 | nemo: np, test it when you can :D | 16:16 |
| nemo | carlduke2: ah. yeah | 16:16 |
| nemo | carlduke2: been poking code into hedgewars since jan 2009 | 16:16 |
| nemo | but. what w/ the kids now my commit rate has fallen way off | 16:16 |
| nemo | so has unc0rr's so we definitely have a bit of a problem there | 16:16 |
| carlduke2 | wow, that's cool | 16:16 |
| carlduke2 | oh yaeh i can image | 16:17 |
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| maxvanceffer | Hello to all spent 4 hours, and can not play any sound from app... can some body help | 18:45 |
| maxvanceffer | ??? | 18:45 |
| balloons | ping nik90 | 21:04 |
| rschroll | aquarius: I'm around if you'd like to chat. | 21:11 |
| aquarius | heya rschroll! | 21:12 |
| aquarius | you've been making lots of progress ) | 21:12 |
| aquarius | and I'm too busy to do anything :( | 21:12 |
| rschroll | That's what boredom does... | 21:13 |
| aquarius | rschroll, but the container (in my fork) roughly works -- what I don't know is how to wire up all the cmake stuff | 21:13 |
| aquarius | I did manage to establish that one can loop in cmake, so we can basically loop from 1 to 20 and create a container-${n}.desktop and container-${n}.url-dispatcher for each, I think | 21:13 |
| aquarius | but I think the thing I'd best do is actually get this all running on the phone, which is why I wanted to talk to you :) | 21:14 |
| rschroll | sounds good. | 21:14 |
| rschroll | I hadn't seen your webapp branch yet. Taking a look now | 21:15 |
| aquarius | rschroll, first, stupid, question: to open a cmake project in Ubuntu SDK, I browse to and open CMakeLists.txt in the root, right | 21:16 |
| aquarius | ? | 21:16 |
| rschroll | Yes. And then it will complain about not being able to find a .user file and offer you a non-sensical dialog | 21:17 |
| rschroll | Let me clone the project myself and see what happens | 21:19 |
| aquarius | OK. If I do that, I get this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12412293/ | 21:19 |
| rschroll | or just look at your message, I guess.... | 21:20 |
| aquarius | which claims to be missing sqlite3, but I don't know how to add that, and I have no idea where it's looking for it (it should be in some sort of chroot, since I've only chosen the Kit for my Bq phone, not for the desktop) | 21:20 |
| rschroll | yeah. sqplite is the problem | 21:21 |
| rschroll | In Qt Creator Tools > Options | 21:21 |
| rschroll | Choose "Ubuntu" from the left-hand side | 21:21 |
| rschroll | "Click" should be the first tab on the right. It should list "Click build targets" | 21:22 |
| aquarius | it does | 21:22 |
| rschroll | there should be on with armhf architecture. Click the maintain button | 21:22 |
| aquarius | yup | 21:23 |
| rschroll | You should have a root shell in the chroot now | 21:23 |
| aquarius | do I then just apt-get install sqlite3? | 21:23 |
| aquarius | (I do have a root shell in the chroot) | 21:23 |
| rschroll | libsqlite3-dev | 21:24 |
| aquarius | installing... | 21:24 |
| nik90 | balloons: pong | 21:24 |
| aquarius | (sorry you have to give me the little kids class in compiling things. This is why I write stuff in Python :)) | 21:24 |
| rschroll | After that, you can close the chroot shell. Then, on your machine run 'click-chroot-agent -r' | 21:24 |
| rschroll | It does some magic I don't understand to make things work. | 21:25 |
| rschroll | (I still don't understand why we're not writing scopes in javascript....) | 21:25 |
| aquarius | OK. I closed Qt Creator, ran click-chroot-agent -r, opened Qt Creator again, and... same error. | 21:26 |
| aquarius | so, maybe I configured the wrong chroot, although I don't think I did. | 21:26 |
| aquarius | Will try again. | 21:26 |
| rschroll | I've screwed that up before. | 21:27 |
| rschroll | I'll check my chroot to see if other sqlite stuff is installed | 21:27 |
| rschroll | Wait -- I screwed things up for you | 21:28 |
| rschroll | Uninstall libsqlite3-dev | 21:29 |
| rschroll | Install instead libsqlite3-dev:armhf | 21:29 |
| rschroll | (I've wasted hours tracking down that mistake before....) | 21:29 |
| rschroll | Well, if that's a thing. I'm not sure the dev packages are architecture dependent.... | 21:30 |
| aquarius | ahaha! | 21:30 |
| aquarius | that has fixed it :) | 21:30 |
| aquarius | nice one | 21:30 |
| rschroll | *sigh of relief* | 21:31 |
| aquarius | ok. Now to work out how to run it on the device... | 21:31 |
| rschroll | Click projects on the left column | 21:31 |
| aquarius | hm, Qt Creator makes me choose one of addtodash or addtodash-scope to deploy. | 21:31 |
| aquarius | (that's a question: both the scope and the app know how to create the initial database, yes?) | 21:32 |
| rschroll | I've chosen addtodash myself | 21:32 |
| aquarius | ok, deploying the app | 21:32 |
| rschroll | The scope cannot. It looks like it doesn't even have write access to that directory | 21:32 |
| aquarius | ah, yes, you said that | 21:33 |
| aquarius | so if they open the scope first we just display the "Manage your apps" button which launches the app? | 21:33 |
| rschroll | We should check the behavior of the scope when the database does not exist, and show a usage message | 21:33 |
| aquarius | (which we'd need to display somehow anyway) | 21:33 |
| rschroll | or that | 21:33 |
| aquarius | treat it the same as "the DB exists but there's no apps in it" | 21:33 |
| rschroll | yeah, probably | 21:34 |
| rschroll | I already have the manage button working in the query branch. | 21:34 |
| rschroll | We just need to see what happens when the database is gone. | 21:34 |
| rschroll | brb | 21:34 |
| aquarius | ah, we haven't got the content hub stuff wired up yet. | 21:34 |
| aquarius | so, how do you fancy adding the cmake stuff to the container folder? (I'll send a pull request first so you can review the code, natch) | 21:36 |
| rschroll | The content hub should be working.... | 21:37 |
| aquarius | addtodash wasn't showing up in the Share menu from the browser | 21:37 |
| aquarius | will try again :) | 21:37 |
| aquarius | oh, haha, it is now | 21:38 |
| rschroll | Great! | 21:38 |
| rschroll | Yeah, if you have the containers in place, I can try to get things wired together | 21:39 |
| aquarius | once I've added an app, should the scope work? | 21:39 |
| rschroll | It should | 21:39 |
| aquarius | (once I've deployed the scope, which I shall try now) | 21:39 |
| rschroll | It should be running as long as the app is | 21:39 |
| rschroll | look for it in the scopes list | 21:40 |
| aquarius | I don't have to deploy addtodash-scope to get it on the phone? | 21:40 |
| rschroll | The both get installed together. The question is which gets run with output going back to Qt creator | 21:40 |
| aquarius | oh, gotcha | 21:41 |
| rschroll | (I think) | 21:41 |
| aquarius | well, would you look at that. Works! Nice. | 21:42 |
| mcphail | nemo: ping | 21:42 |
| rschroll | whadaya know... | 21:42 |
| aquarius | the "Settings" stuff in the menu is built into the scope API, yes? Or can we make that open the app? | 21:42 |
| aquarius | this is cool. | 21:42 |
| rschroll | Scope settings are very limited. | 21:43 |
| rschroll | I don't think we can trigger the app from them. | 21:43 |
| aquarius | bah humbug. | 21:43 |
| rschroll | But we can put a result at the bottom of the scope that launches the app | 21:44 |
| rschroll | see the query branch | 21:44 |
| aquarius | ya, that was my thought | 21:44 |
| aquarius | Need to save the images, but I think we're probably best if that's done from C++? I can do it in pure QML if I have to but it's hassle; it'd be a lot easier for you to just do a Qt HTTP request and bang the result in the DB... or maybe even on the filesystem, then we can use the new Thumbnailer? | 21:44 |
| aquarius | so I'll hand you an image URL somehow | 21:45 |
| rschroll | I don't know if it makes sense to get the image in the webview, base64-encode it, and pass it out that way? | 21:45 |
| rschroll | Should we store them base64 encoded in the database? | 21:46 |
| rschroll | Or write them to the filesystem and store the path in the database? | 21:46 |
| rschroll | Or store the binaries in the database? But then what? | 21:47 |
| aquarius | that's hard, because of cross-origin issues; reading an image's actual data requires either XHRing it off the server with a good XHR implementation (the one *in* the webview, and then we don't have base64) or writing it into a canvas and then toDataURLing it back out | 21:47 |
| aquarius | I can do both of those if need be, and if you reckon that fetching the image in Qt would be harder, I will do | 21:48 |
| aquarius | It's worth investigating the new Ubuntu thumbnailer service, I think; if that turns out to be worth using, I think we'll need to store the images on the filesystem and store the path in the DB | 21:48 |
| aquarius | https://michihenning.wordpress.com/2015/08/15/a-fast-thumbnailer-for-ubuntu/ | 21:49 |
| aquarius | if it's *not* worth using that then we can probably store base64 URLs in the DB... but can we give a data URL to the scope to display an image? | 21:49 |
| rschroll | Will the scope take advantage of the thumbnailer? | 21:49 |
| aquarius | I don't know. | 21:50 |
| aquarius | it *ought* to | 21:50 |
| rschroll | Not our problem, really. | 21:50 |
| aquarius | the point of the thumbnailer is to be super fast so scopes can use it | 21:50 |
| rschroll | I've managed to pass data URLs to scope things before, so that should work | 21:50 |
| aquarius | huh | 21:50 |
| aquarius | interestingly, it looks like it provides a Magic URL Type | 21:51 |
| aquarius | which there'd be nothing stopping us using in the app too | 21:51 |
| rschroll | what does? | 21:51 |
| aquarius | the thumbnailer | 21:51 |
| rschroll | nifty | 21:51 |
| aquarius | One API is a QML plugin that registers itself as an image provider for QQuickAsyncImageProvider. This allows the caller to to pass a URI that encodes a query for a local or remote thumbnail at a particular size; if the URI matches the registered provider, QML transfers control to the entry points in our plugin. | 21:51 |
| aquarius | that *suggests* that one can set the source of a QML Image to thumbnailer:http://example.com/img.jpg or something | 21:52 |
| aquarius | and then the thumbnailer will cache it | 21:52 |
| aquarius | and then it'll be available to the scope too | 21:52 |
| aquarius | and we didn't have to do any work at all; we just store the upstream image | 21:52 |
| aquarius | but... the docs don't actually *say* that works, they just imply it ;) | 21:53 |
| rschroll | of course. Documentation is for weenies. | 21:53 |
| aquarius | need to ping michi or jamesh | 21:53 |
| aquarius | neither of whom hang in this channel, it seems | 21:53 |
| * aquarius pings jamesh | 21:54 | |
| aquarius | although it's a bit early for him :) | 21:54 |
| aquarius | OK. So, I should change the container to not do all the chaining stuff, but instead to save its status every time it's made active, yes? | 21:55 |
| rschroll | I'm not too worried about the icons. One way or another we'll get it to work. | 21:55 |
| aquarius | how does the container know where the database is? | 21:55 |
| aquarius | I don't think QML LocalStorage can open an arbitrarily named database, can it? | 21:55 |
| rschroll | No. But you give it a name and that reliably maps to the same location on the filesystem | 21:56 |
| aquarius | no. | 21:56 |
| aquarius | actually... | 21:56 |
| aquarius | they get different appids. | 21:56 |
| aquarius | is that going to mean they get different .local/share folders? | 21:56 |
| aquarius | I hope not. | 21:56 |
| aquarius | need to check that! | 21:56 |
| rschroll | I think that the .local/share comes from the package name | 21:56 |
| rschroll | not the app_id | 21:56 |
| aquarius | yeah. Hope so :) | 21:56 |
| aquarius | ok, I will make that change before sending a pull request for the containers | 21:57 |
| aquarius | but... this is cool. Nice work | 21:57 |
| rschroll | About the containers: | 21:57 |
| rschroll | Should they keep updating their current URL? | 21:57 |
| aquarius | I don't think so. | 21:58 |
| rschroll | If they started at nyt.com, but you follow links to guardian.co.uk, should the next trigger of nyt.com use this container? | 21:58 |
| aquarius | ah, you can't do that | 21:58 |
| aquarius | if you navigate outside the domain, it opens in the browser. | 21:58 |
| rschroll | sounds good | 21:58 |
| rschroll | no worries there, then | 21:58 |
| aquarius | yup | 21:58 |
| aquarius | we can pass a more or less limiting URL pattern to a container if need be and it'll honour it, but for the moment I'm inclined to not make that a configurable thing, and we'll expose it later if need be | 21:59 |
| rschroll | yeah, so I think the container just has to write its id, url, and current time to the database everytime it gets focus | 21:59 |
| aquarius | and then we're good | 21:59 |
| rschroll | then the launcher has to figure out what to do with that.... | 22:00 |
| aquarius | excellent. | 22:00 |
| aquarius | yeah. Did you establish whether the scope code can decide on the URL to launch after the user chooses something? | 22:00 |
| rschroll | I've been reading the docs, but it's not clear. | 22:01 |
| rschroll | I'll have to try and see what happens | 22:01 |
| aquarius | yeah | 22:01 |
| rschroll | BTW, a cool trick: | 22:02 |
| aquarius | (have asked michi about the thumbnailer on g+) | 22:03 |
| rschroll | If you make a bookmark with URL application:///<app-id>_<version>.desktop, you can use our scope to launch an app | 22:03 |
| aquarius | oh yes! | 22:03 |
| rschroll | Or scope://app-id to launch scopes | 22:03 |
| aquarius | so if we can be faster than the app scope then that'd be a good demo :) | 22:03 |
| rschroll | Let's try not to break this as we add the containers... | 22:03 |
| aquarius | I think we'd need a little special handling for that in the scope, otherwise the container will get launched and then look empty :) | 22:04 |
| aquarius | but that's a neat trick | 22:04 |
| rschroll | Yeah. I don't know if we put it in the docs. But as an easter egg it's sorta cool. | 22:05 |
| rschroll | We can't get icons for them automatically due to confinement, so making it look nice would take some work | 22:05 |
| rschroll | And you have to update the URL everytime there's a new version.... | 22:06 |
| rschroll | Have you used the new ListItems yet? | 22:08 |
| aquarius | you can say current-user-version instead of a version number, so that bit's not a problem, although icons are :) | 22:08 |
| aquarius | I haven't used the new ListItems; every time I try to use the provided nice ListItems they don't do a thing I want and I end up implementing my own on top of ListItems.Empty anyway :( | 22:09 |
| rschroll | :( | 22:09 |
| rschroll | I saw they had drag-and-drop support, which would be nice for ordering favorites | 22:09 |
| rschroll | But when I tried to use them, they looked ugly | 22:09 |
| aquarius | yeah. It did occur to me that maybe we should try to look really really nice, to encourage people to use this | 22:11 |
| rschroll | There's definitely a lot of polish we can add once things are working. | 22:11 |
| aquarius | might be worth talking to super-skill design people; snwh or kevin feyder or someone | 22:12 |
| aquarius | lots of cool ideas to add once things are working, yeah. Recommendations sourced from a server; sharing; etc. But we'll get it working first :) | 22:12 |
| rschroll | One design project I already anticipate -- it'd be nice to have similar but distinguishable icons for the various containers | 22:13 |
| aquarius | oh? | 22:13 |
| rschroll | So when you have several open, you don't have the same icon 5 times in your icon bar thing on the left. | 22:14 |
| rschroll | (there's probably an official name for that) | 22:14 |
| aquarius | (the Launcher) | 22:14 |
| aquarius | yes. That would be good. | 22:14 |
| aquarius | What we really want there, of course, is a dynamic icon so it looks like the actual icon for the webapp | 22:15 |
| aquarius | but I don't believe that's possible :( | 22:15 |
| rschroll | With our database technique, the oft-used webapps will end up using the same container each time, so you might started to get to know htem | 22:15 |
| rschroll | The website icon would be better, of course, but not possible... | 22:15 |
| aquarius | who would know about this, I wonder? | 22:16 |
| aquarius | tedg, ping: is there any way that a phone app can set its Launcher icon? For example, could it set its Icon line in its .desktop file to be /home/phablet/.local/share/appid/mydynamicicon.png and then overwrite that if it wanted? | 22:17 |
| aquarius | I suspect it *has* to be a name which gets looked up on the icon path, which isn't anywhere we can write to :( | 22:18 |
| aquarius | the desktop file *spec* says it can be an absolute path | 22:19 |
| aquarius | that'd be sweet if it works. | 22:19 |
| rschroll | Another thing to try. | 22:19 |
| aquarius | gotta hardcode the path to our app directory, which will sod us up in multi-user, but that's a problem for five years from now :) | 22:20 |
| rschroll | So for now: I'll see about launching containers from the scope. You'll get containers recording progress to a database. | 22:20 |
| rschroll | We'll find out about thumbnailer URLs. | 22:21 |
| aquarius | ok. the thumbnailer can only read filesystem files. | 22:21 |
| aquarius | (got an answer from michi) | 22:21 |
| rschroll | that was quick | 22:21 |
| aquarius | so if we want to *use* the thumbnailer then we'll need to write the icons to the filesystem | 22:21 |
| aquarius | not sure if we want to use it or whether we're faster to read our own database. I *suspect* the thumbnailer is faster | 22:22 |
| aquarius | but that'll need testing. | 22:22 |
| rschroll | I'll start futzing with a C++ downloader | 22:23 |
| aquarius | cool | 22:23 |
| aquarius | the app already does some work to get an icon, but it needs to do more (in particular, it doesn't look for shortcut icons, or yet read any manifest) | 22:23 |
| rschroll | That's a place where we can just keep adding search locations as we think of them. | 22:24 |
| rschroll | The API from the qML side won't change. | 22:25 |
| aquarius | yup | 22:25 |
| rschroll | But now, time for me to make dinner. | 22:25 |
| rschroll | I'll try to hang around here more often, so we can chat again as things come up. | 22:28 |
| aquarius | cheers, pal | 22:28 |
| aquarius | if you're on Telegram, you could join the Ubuntu Apps group? Lots of useful discussion there | 22:29 |
| aquarius | I can invite you if you want. | 22:29 |
| rschroll | You kids and your crazy new technologies. | 22:29 |
| rschroll | I'll try to check it out. | 22:30 |
| aquarius | I know! I'm just so l33t | 22:30 |
| rschroll | thanks | 22:30 |
| aquarius | let me know if you wanna join and I'll do an invite. I think there's a link you can click somewhere to join it but I don't know what it is :) | 22:30 |
| rschroll | might as well see what the fuss is about. Thanks. | 22:30 |
| popey | aquarius: gary wang made a patch / recommendation for changing the calendar icon iirc | 22:51 |
| popey | if thats any use | 22:51 |
| popey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1453795 | 22:52 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1453795 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Apps can't change their own app icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:52 |
| popey | bah | 22:52 |
| popey | pretty sure I saw a patch somewhere | 22:52 |
| aquarius | that absolutely would be of use, if it works :) | 22:54 |
| aquarius | we'll try the absolute path trick :) | 22:54 |
| mcphail | it would be nice if there was a framework for "dynamic" icons. They seem quite useful | 22:58 |
| aquarius | What's the best way to react to my app being switched to? (That is, made the foreground focused app?) | 23:02 |
| aquarius | MainView.onActiveChanged? | 23:02 |
| aquarius | ah | 23:05 |
| aquarius | Qt.application.state == Qt.ApplicationActive | 23:06 |
| aquarius | http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-qt.html#application-prop | 23:06 |
| aquarius | that took a long time to find. | 23:06 |
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