| clivejo | should wily run ok in 1Gb of RAM? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| clivejo | ok bed time! | 00:03 |
| clivejo | night all | 00:03 |
| === tazz_ is now known as tazz | ||
| soee | http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/1857948/chinese-os-last-more-40-cent-dell-pcs-china-now-running-homegrown ;) | 08:04 |
| soee | ovidiu-florin: ping | 08:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | clivejo: we cleanned up our trello boards. And what was small and fast, we did now, the others, we've updated their status. | 11:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | soee: pong | 11:02 |
| clivejo | oh the promotion meeting? | 11:03 |
| clivejo | Riddell: Kauth failing on symbols? - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218001241/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kauth_5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz | 11:08 |
| Riddell | clivejo: so is sonnet and solid :( looks like some more gcc settings have been tweaked | 11:09 |
| Riddell | it's all private symbols as far as I can see | 11:09 |
| Riddell | I'm working on sonnet | 11:09 |
| clivejo | how do you fix them? | 11:10 |
| clivejo | so many emails! | 11:10 |
| Riddell | clivejo: download the logs, run pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 5.14.0 log in the git archive | 11:11 |
| Riddell | remove the MISSING lines | 11:11 |
| Riddell | then git-buildpackage-ppa -s 2 | 11:11 |
| Riddell | and upload that | 11:11 |
| clivejo | what branch ? kubuntu_stable? | 11:13 |
| clivejo | kubuntu_wily_archive? | 11:15 |
| Riddell | clivejo: kubuntu_wily_archive | 11:17 |
| * Riddell always clones/checkouts out with kubuntu-dev-tools bin/kget script | 11:18 | |
| clivejo | my system hates me | 11:21 |
| clivejo | git-gui wont load today | 11:22 |
| soee | ovidiu-florin: what site you are plan to work on? | 11:29 |
| sitter | ahoneybun: we didn't do a content review of the kubuntu slideshow | 11:35 |
| sitter | also we are past UI freeze so I am not sure twiddling with things there is a good idea :P | 11:35 |
| ovidiu-florin | clivejo: yes | 11:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | soee: I don't understand | 11:43 |
| yofel | most of the frameworks now fail on symbols | 11:45 |
| soee | ovidiu-florin: you asked yesterday if i design webs etc. so i wonder what do you plan :) | 11:45 |
| yofel | and from a quick look, kservice is not just gcc stuff | 11:45 |
| yofel | e.g. | 11:45 |
| yofel | +#MISSING: 5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1# _ZN14KSycocaFactoryC1E16KSycocaFactoryId@Base 4.96.0 | 11:45 |
| yofel | + _ZN14KSycocaFactoryC1E16KSycocaFactoryIdP7KSycoca@Base 5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 | 11:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | soee: we need a designer to make some mockups of a few pages on our kubuntu site. | 11:46 |
| clivejo | Riddell: does kubuntu-retry-builds retry failed reuploaded packages? | 11:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | The Download page needs a new design | 11:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's first | 11:46 |
| Riddell | clivejo: yes | 11:50 |
| sitter | Riddell: btw isos are 300mb over | 12:00 |
| sitter | also I feel like I saw ubuntu artwork packages on the ISO when doing stuff in randa | 12:00 |
| * sitter looks for germinate output | 12:00 | |
| sitter | ubuntu-mono | ubuntu-themes | adwaita-icon-theme | Ubuntu Artwork Team <ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> | 176418 | 5621 | 12:01 |
| sitter | adwaita-icon-theme | adwaita-icon-theme | libgtk-3-common | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> | 943512 | 4425 | 12:01 |
| sitter | and we have aptdaemon (again?) | 12:03 |
| clivejo | Riddell: kauth seems to be published now, so I run a retry. | 12:05 |
| clivejo | gonna grab some lunch | 12:06 |
| ahoneybun | sitter: as long as you changed 15.04 to 15.10 that might be good enough if that is what your talking about | 12:12 |
| ahoneybun | other wise i'm going to grab some screenshots from it later today | 12:13 |
| sitter | I think jon did | 12:13 |
| sitter | still downloading ISO | 12:13 |
| ahoneybun | I grabbed the daily last night, is that good enough sitter? | 12:14 |
| ahoneybun | g2g bbl | 12:15 |
| sitter | should be | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:17 |
| Riddell | yes I did | 12:21 |
| soee | hiho BluesKaj | 12:31 |
| BluesKaj | Hi soee | 12:32 |
| sitter | omg | 13:34 |
| sitter | the kwin is on fire! | 13:34 |
| sitter | uff | 13:34 |
| sitter | KCI-E :: E: kwin-x11: shlib-in-multi-arch-foreign-package usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kwin_x11.so | 13:34 |
| sitter | Riddell: I think the binary packages also should have been no | 13:34 |
| sitter | :O | 13:46 |
| sitter | cyphermox, Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/3UUL1Lt.jpg | 13:46 |
| Riddell | you crashed ubiquity! | 13:47 |
| sitter | it's on startup FWIW | 13:47 |
| Riddell | meh | 13:47 |
| Riddell | worked for me a couple of days ago | 13:47 |
| Riddell | maybe something has transitioned | 13:48 |
| sitter | yeah it worked last week for sure | 13:48 |
| Riddell | network-manager went in last thursday https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/wily-changes/2015-September/009923.html | 13:48 |
| sitter | ok, I think I had a tuesday ISO in randa so that'd line up | 13:49 |
| cyphermox | yeah, start ubiquity as root for now | 13:51 |
| sitter | cyphermox: that's ubiquity-dm on the live session, that's root IIRC | 13:55 |
| cyphermox | no, I think it runs as ubuntu | 14:05 |
| cyphermox | in any case, ubiquity is my priority today | 14:06 |
| * cyphermox doesn't really understand | 16:27 | |
| cyphermox | ubiquity does crash on startup, because the GetDevices call fails | 16:28 |
| cyphermox | yet if I do this call on the cli, as ubuntu, it passes just fine | 16:28 |
| * cyphermox slaps ubiquity around a bit with a large trout | 16:28 | |
| cyphermox | got it, it's bad python code in ubiquity | 17:02 |
| clivejo | Riddell yodel : Can I just add the new symbols and remove the #MISSING ones for kservice? | 18:41 |
| clivejo | yofel even | 18:42 |
| clivejo | yofel: you mentioned earlier that kservice might be move than missing symbols? | 18:42 |
| yofel | no, I said the missing symbols look fishy | 18:42 |
| clivejo | how so? | 18:43 |
| yofel | +#MISSING: 5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1# _ZN14KSycocaFactoryC1E16KSycocaFactoryId@Base 4.96.0 | 18:44 |
| yofel | + _ZN14KSycocaFactoryC1E16KSycocaFactoryIdP7KSycoca@Base 5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 | 18:44 |
| yofel | let me look at the code | 18:44 |
| yofel | clivejo: actually, maxy just updated the symbols for debian, so you should be fine | 18:46 |
| clivejo | do you want to do it? | 18:56 |
| clivejo | I think kservice is holding a lot of others back | 18:57 |
| clivejo | what OS would be best for a machine with only 1Gb RAM? | 18:58 |
| mamarley | clivejo: Linux with a lightweight DE like LXDE would probably work, but if I were you I would just upgrade the RAM if possible and install Kubuntu. | 19:01 |
| mamarley | I have an old laptop with 2GB RAM that runs Wily just fine. | 19:03 |
| clivejo | they only have 512Mb and Im planning to double them up | 19:04 |
| * mamarley has personally never been all that happy with any of the lightweight DEs. | 19:07 | |
| clivejo | these are a set of 10 PCs with windows XP on them | 19:08 |
| clivejo | dont really want to get rid o them | 19:08 |
| clivejo | is there any way to make them into a distributed system? | 19:09 |
| ahoneybun | LXDE is porting from GTK to Qt | 19:10 |
| clivejo | yippeee kservice is ALIVE | 19:13 |
| clivejo | yofel: do the same with kitemviews - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218006941/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kitemviews_5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz | 19:16 |
| clivejo | ? | 19:16 |
| yofel | yeah | 19:18 |
| yofel | you can safely remove any symbols that have Private in them or that look like a parameter-less destructor or constructor | 19:18 |
| clivejo | yofel: I think Ill need help with solid - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218037437/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.solid_5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz | 20:04 |
| yofel | trusting b75f176558b5f3c64b0363d34a483a93b148b73c, you can just remove that too | 20:08 |
| yofel | but I'm curious where that came from in the first place o.O | 20:08 |
| clivejo | you refer to the debian team commits ? | 20:09 |
| yofel | yep | 20:09 |
| clivejo | clever! | 20:09 |
| ahoneybun | applications 15.08.1 are out | 20:26 |
| clivejo | ahoneybun: where? | 20:26 |
| ahoneybun | http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.08.1/src/ | 20:26 |
| clivejo | you going to do them? | 20:26 |
| soee | clivejo: i see the frameworks build pretty good ? :) | 20:30 |
| clivejo | not really! | 20:30 |
| clivejo | I wish LP would hurry up with the publishing | 20:30 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo: once I know what I can do | 20:34 |
| ahoneybun | I still don't understand the full process | 20:34 |
| clivejo | neither do I | 20:34 |
| ahoneybun | more then I atm | 20:34 |
| clivejo | yofel is great though, amazing teacher | 20:34 |
| clivejo | and Riddell too | 20:34 |
| clivejo | about time, its published, I can trigger a rebuild | 20:35 |
| valorie | perhaps we can use your notes to start roughing out a Packager's Guide, clivejo, ahoneybun? | 20:36 |
| ahoneybun | I'll take out my laptop and take a swing at bomber and blinken | 20:36 |
| * valorie needs to go work outside right now | 20:36 | |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I put my notes here for now: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging | 20:36 |
| clivejo | I dunno, a few nice diagrams showing the porcess visually would be good idea | 20:37 |
| ahoneybun | of course | 20:37 |
| ahoneybun | I learn much better with images | 20:37 |
| valorie | awesome, ahoneybun | 20:37 |
| ahoneybun | I'll see what I can do over this weekend | 20:37 |
| yofel | hm, images | 20:38 |
| * ahoneybun wonders about turning on NVIDIA in his laptop again | 20:38 | |
| * clivejo kicks the PPA | 20:38 | |
| yofel | I kind of miss our old package dependency graphs | 20:38 |
| yofel | they were so wonderful confusing at the end | 20:38 |
| clivejo | package dependency graphs would be good | 20:39 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: I had no luck with 352 either yesterday :/ | 20:39 |
| ahoneybun | I've not tried it for about 2 weeks or so | 20:39 |
| yofel | but if you're on intel try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1492037/comments/55 | 20:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1492037 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Segmentation fault in brw_meta_fast_clear" [Critical,Triaged] | 20:39 |
| yofel | at least no crash for a few hours now, will post something if that stays until tomorrow | 20:40 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: lets not break it when I want to try to package XD | 20:40 |
| ahoneybun | intel has been solid for me | 20:40 |
| ahoneybun | just internet is being a little something | 20:40 |
| === ahoneybun changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | apps 15.08 https://goo.gl/KFMF4F apps 15.08.1 https://notes.kde.org/p/Applications_15.08.1 | ||
| clivejo | yofel: can I stage the apps before frameworks is completed? | 20:43 |
| yofel | dunno, uh.. do we have an FFE for frameworks? | 20:44 |
| clivejo | whats FFE mean ? :/ | 20:44 |
| yofel | !ffe | 20:44 |
| ubottu | Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 20:44 |
| yofel | I'm just asking if we really want to get 5.14 into wily | 20:45 |
| clivejo | but the staging isnt into wily is it? | 20:45 |
| clivejo | they can be moved to backports when ready? | 20:45 |
| yofel | no, but the PPA's depend on each other. So if we want to test apps without frameworks we would need to remove the dep first | 20:46 |
| clivejo | oh right | 20:46 |
| yofel | IMO remove the dep and go stage it. Unless something really needs the new frameworks it'll be fine | 20:47 |
| clivejo | remove the dep? | 20:48 |
| yofel | I'll remove it | 20:48 |
| yofel | done | 20:48 |
| clivejo | I dont understand what that means | 20:48 |
| yofel | I told the application ppa to not use the frameworks ppa | 20:49 |
| clivejo | ah | 20:49 |
| yofel | would probably not build anything useful anyway with frameworks half-done | 20:49 |
| clivejo | now it makes sense! | 20:49 |
| clivejo | I hate symbols | 20:50 |
| yofel | would you rather have your applications crash with missing symbol errors? ;P | 20:50 |
| clivejo | Id rather they fixed themselves! | 20:51 |
| clivejo | dynamic updating symbols :) | 20:52 |
| clivejo | DUS | 20:52 |
| yofel | well, we could make the symbol parser a bit more intelligent I guess.... but that's limited | 20:52 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: I need to switch to the unstable right? | 20:52 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: huh? | 20:53 |
| yofel | what? | 20:53 |
| ahoneybun | when I greab from http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/ | 20:53 |
| ahoneybun | *grab | 20:53 |
| yofel | still not enough context. Usually you would grab from debian unstable, yes... | 20:53 |
| ahoneybun | git clone https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/applications/blinken.git | 20:54 |
| ahoneybun | then git checkout kubuntu_unstable right? | 20:54 |
| yofel | to do what? | 20:54 |
| ahoneybun | package | 20:54 |
| * ahoneybun has crap memory | 20:54 | |
| ahoneybun | I kept forgetting that I think at akademy | 20:55 |
| yofel | isn't that part of the applications? | 20:55 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:55 |
| yofel | ok, then wait, you only do that for stuff that's not in the archive yet | 20:55 |
| yofel | for the rest, wait for the mass merge and upload | 20:55 |
| ahoneybun | how do I tell ? | 20:55 |
| ahoneybun | I se | 20:56 |
| ahoneybun | master is 15.08.0-1 | 20:56 |
| yofel | .1 is a bugfix release, so there should be no new packages | 20:56 |
| ahoneybun | wait for 15.08.1 | 20:56 |
| yofel | no, master is debian, we don't use that | 20:56 |
| yofel | we use kubuntu_* | 20:56 |
| ahoneybun | mm | 20:57 |
| yofel | kubuntu_wily_archive should say .1 IIRC | 20:57 |
| ahoneybun | seems I know nothing the... | 20:58 |
| ahoneybun | darn | 20:58 |
| yofel | it takes a bit getting used to :/ | 20:59 |
| ahoneybun | lots | 20:59 |
| ahoneybun | I guess I'll wait for someone to yell "Package it!" | 20:59 |
| clivejo | PACKAGE IT !!! | 21:00 |
| yofel | not really, just try to remember that we try to do as much as possible automated | 21:00 |
| yofel | clivejo: are you uploading applications or are you fixing symbols? | 21:00 |
| clivejo | Im currently fixing symbols | 21:00 |
| clivejo | but I can stage them if you want | 21:00 |
| clivejo | I need to practice | 21:00 |
| yofel | actually, let me try that | 21:01 |
| yofel | I haven't done that in ages | 21:01 |
| yofel | $ ./staging-upload --help | 21:01 |
| yofel | ImportError: No module named future | 21:01 |
| yofel | now that's a great start XD | 21:01 |
| clivejo | I think I finally got my local machine to stop shouting errors at me! | 21:01 |
| clivejo | LOL | 21:02 |
| clivejo | I love the errors, so descriptive! | 21:02 |
| yofel | well, that was easily fixed with apt install python-future | 21:02 |
| yofel | if sru: | 21:03 |
| yofel | print "fix sru" | 21:03 |
| yofel | oh god is that script lovely... | 21:03 |
| clivejo | what script are you using?!? | 21:04 |
| yofel | staging-upload | 21:04 |
| clivejo | :) | 21:04 |
| yofel | or do we again use a different one? | 21:04 |
| clivejo | its a delight | 21:04 |
| clivejo | -s wily -r applications | 21:05 |
| clivejo | is that what it means? | 21:05 |
| yofel | I have no -s, I have -d | 21:05 |
| clivejo | did you do a package-name-list first? | 21:06 |
| yofel | no, but let me try and if there is actually a diff throw stuff at the release team | 21:06 |
| yofel | shouldn't happen | 21:07 |
| clivejo | ./package-name-list -d wily -r applications | 21:07 |
| yofel | thanks | 21:07 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: ping | 21:07 |
| yofel | -libkexiv2 | 21:07 |
| yofel | ........... | 21:07 |
| yofel | esp. as it's wrong | 21:08 |
| yofel | libkexiv2-15.08.1.tar.xz | 21:08 |
| yofel | and again, that script has a bug | 21:10 |
| yofel | and why is kde-l10n in there o.O | 21:11 |
| clivejo | yofel: didnt you help make these scripts? | 21:14 |
| yofel | partly, but not that one, and I didn't touch them in the last couple months | 21:16 |
| yofel | and a couple things in there are... weird now | 21:17 |
| yofel | the package list management improved a lot at least | 21:17 |
| yofel | clivejo: is CI still suspended? | 21:18 |
| clivejo | I asked Riddell to un-suspend it, but not sure if he did | 21:18 |
| yofel | and my CI login doesn't work | 21:24 |
| yofel | guess I'll just let sitter kill me tomorrow | 21:24 |
| yofel | or it's getting late anyway, we can do the upload tomorrow | 21:25 |
| clivejo | yeah | 21:26 |
| clivejo | another day wont make much difference | 21:26 |
| clivejo | yofel: can you see what these packages are waiting on - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.14.0_wily.html | 21:27 |
| yofel | uh... | 21:27 |
| yofel | now that looks broken | 21:27 |
| clivejo | kio-dev (>= 5.14.0~), libkf5iconthemes-dev (>= 5.14.0~), libkf5notifications-dev (>= 5.14.0~) but what makes those :/ | 21:27 |
| yofel | apt-cache showsrc will tell you | 21:28 |
| clivejo | libkf5iconthemes-dev | 21:32 |
| clivejo | and libkf5iconthemes-dev_5.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_amd64.deb is made in kiconthemes | 21:33 |
| yofel | hm... now what's the API for that depwait list | 21:35 |
| clivejo | I dont understand | 21:36 |
| clivejo | the package has been built and is published, why is it waiting for it? | 21:36 |
| yofel | are all 3 built and published? | 21:36 |
| clivejo | well kio-dev seems to depend on libkf5icontheme-dev and is waiting | 21:37 |
| yofel | ah yeah, kio isn't built, so it's not building | 21:38 |
| clivejo | ah | 21:38 |
| clivejo | knotifactions | 21:38 |
| yofel | libkf5iconthemes-dev is still in the list because launchpad doesn't constantly re-check the dependencies | 21:38 |
| yofel | it just checks if all deps are now satisfied | 21:39 |
| yofel | ah, there we go, the depwait list has it's own API call now. perfect | 21:39 |
| clivejo | huh? | 21:39 |
| yofel | sources[1].getBuilds()[0].dependencies | 21:40 |
| yofel | u'kinit-dev (>= 5.14.0~), kio-dev (>= 5.14.0~), libkf5kcmutils-dev (>= 5.14.0~), libkf5kdelibs4support-dev (>= 5.14.0~), libkf5runner-dev (>= 5.14.0~), plasma-framework-dev (>= 5.14.0~)' | 21:40 |
| yofel | that's baloo-kf5 I think | 21:40 |
| yofel | I'm trying to fix the status page | 21:40 |
| yofel | that's not supposed to show "Dependency wait:" without anything after that | 21:40 |
| yofel | but the last builder updates seem to have changed the build logs | 21:41 |
| clivejo | Last updated on 2015-09-15 21:45 (UTC) ? | 21:46 |
| clivejo | how often does it update? | 21:47 |
| clivejo | I dunno, I cant figure out what the problem is | 21:49 |
| clivejo | they are waiting for something that is there! | 21:49 |
| yofel | well, feel free to retry by hand | 21:51 |
| yofel | the depwait check runs once per hour or so | 21:51 |
| clivejo | retry what by hand? | 21:51 |
| yofel | the builds | 21:51 |
| yofel | Riddell: what's my password on weegie? | 21:52 |
| yofel | clivejo: can you sudo on qa? | 21:53 |
| clivejo | not sure | 21:53 |
| clivejo | why? | 21:53 |
| yofel | do you know your password? | 21:53 |
| clivejo | I do | 21:54 |
| yofel | can you try to reset mine please? | 21:54 |
| yofel | I wanted to update the scripts, but the server move wiped my password | 21:54 |
| clivejo | are you yofel on it? | 21:56 |
| yofel | yep | 21:56 |
| yofel | ok, depwait list back on the script output | 21:58 |
| yofel | hm ok, kio needs kxmlgui which needs ktextwidgets which is in the queue | 22:00 |
| clivejo | nice! | 22:00 |
| yofel | s/queue/building | 22:00 |
| yofel | queues are empty | 22:01 |
| yofel | https://launchpad.net/builders if you ever feel the need to look at it | 22:01 |
| clivejo | then whats it waiting for? | 22:03 |
| clivejo | oh knotications has built | 22:03 |
| clivejo | :) | 22:04 |
| clivejo | yippee | 22:04 |
| valorie | I'm confuzzled by the notes in the /topic -- don't we use trello for that stuff? | 22:10 |
| clivejo | not for bigger projects like apps/frameworks etc | 22:12 |
| clivejo | notes are easier to see who is working on what | 22:12 |
| clivejo | anyways time for sleep | 22:16 |
| clivejo | night all | 22:16 |
| yofel | oh indeed | 22:16 |
| yofel | time flies -.- | 22:16 |
| clivejo | hopefully LP will get its backside in gear and build those last few packages | 22:16 |
| valorie | hmmm, I just got ktp going again, but it seems we do not package morse so that telegram would work inside that | 23:19 |
| valorie | https://github.com/TelepathyQt/telepathy-morse | 23:21 |
| valorie | aha: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/network/telepathy/telepathy-morse/repository | 23:22 |
| kubuntubot | <Scarlett>: Umm | 23:40 |
| kubuntubot | <Aaron>: ? | 23:40 |
| kubuntubot | <Scarlett>: Jonathan Riddell left? | 23:40 |
| kubuntubot | <Aaron>: I think he just does not like telegram | 23:40 |
| kubuntubot | <Scarlett>: Ok... so say so and then leave?. I find this very odd. | 23:40 |
| kubuntubot | <Aaron>: Idk | 23:40 |
| kubuntubot | <Aaron>: Test | 23:41 |
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