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pittiGood morning04:56
larsuwhat a wonderful morning!05:45
pittihey larsu, wie gehts?05:50
larsupitti: fantastisch - war gerade in der Sonne joggen :)05:51
pittilarsu: wow, alles grau und regnerisch hier05:51
larsupitti: hier nicht :P https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tpuhymanh0255xv/AABAidOQ2jiSrTKFY2sAJc7ia05:51
pittiniice!05:51
larsu:)05:52
larsuwie gehts dir?05:52
pittilarsu: ganz okay, konnte nur wieder schlecht schlafen05:53
larsupitti: oh? Wasn los?05:53
pittiweiss auch nicht, war die letzten Tage halt so05:54
larsuhm, alles Gute!05:54
didrocksgood morning!05:59
larsuhi didrocks06:00
larsuça va?06:00
hikikohello06:01
larsumorning hikiko06:01
pittibonjour didrocks, ça va ?06:01
didrockshey larsu, hikiko, pitti06:02
didrocksI'm fine, didn't sleep well at the hotel (until 3h30), but at the conference :p06:02
pittilol06:02
didrocksopening in a hour, so just catching up on work ;)06:02
hikikohi didrocks larsu pitti :D06:03
didrocksthey really made the place quite cool06:06
larsuwhere are you?06:11
didrockslarsu: https://www.polymer-project.org/summit (there is a photo below)06:12
didrockslarsu: it looks like this now: https://goo.gl/photos/H5hD2frXAyUfQB3m706:13
larsudidrocks: cool!06:18
* didrocks has beautiful donuts in front of me… sad that I ate too much this morning already :p06:21
larsu:)06:22
* didrocks is in the room, exciting! :)06:38
didrocksmeanwhile, did a small html import for ubuntu font: https://github.com/ubuntu/font-ubuntu06:38
larsudidrocks: *info :P06:41
didrockslarsu: are you sure? I was certain informations was always plural06:42
pitti"information" is like "water", no "informations" in English06:42
pitticontre par français ou allemand :)06:43
didrocksah, so the contrary, I probably mixed up with "news"06:43
didrocksthx, fixing!06:43
larsudidrocks: yes, "information" is already plural. There's no need to add an extra s06:43
didrockslarsu: crazy language :p06:43
pittien effet !06:43
larsudidrocks: I guess in French it's like in German? (singular: Information; plural: Informationen)06:43
didrocks;)06:43
didrocksright: information, informations06:44
seb128good morning desktopers06:44
pittiin English, "information" and "advice" are both not countable, so no plural06:44
larsuah even harder because it's spelled the same06:44
pittibonjour seb128 ! ça va ?06:44
larsupitti: thanks for your advices!06:44
pittilarsu: *OCD jumping up and down*06:45
seb128hey pitti06:45
* larsu calms pitti down06:45
pittimais on a appris le calendrier et les dates hier soir au course français -- c'est un peu difficile aussi !06:45
seb128pitti, tu prends des cours de français ?06:48
pittiseb128: oui, depuis la dernière semaine06:49
seb128ah, c'est bien :-)06:49
seb1281 fois par semaine ?06:49
pitti(la semaine derniére ? je ne peux pas me rappeler)06:49
didrockspitti: passe ton système en français, tu auras la date du jour comme ça :)06:49
pittiseb128: oui, et quelques exercises pour faire à maison06:50
pittididrocks: désolé, je ne l'ai pas compris ça06:51
didrockspitti: easy, "system-settings -> languages -> french" ;) then you will have a french date!06:52
pittiseb128: les courses (où je peux parler avec des vraies personnes :) ) et duolingo sont bien pour apprendre06:52
seb128pitti, "les cours", "courses" c'est pour le shopping ou le sport ;-)06:52
pittididrocks: ah! le mot "passer" a trop de significations06:53
seb128pitti, tu parleras bientôt français comme Didier et moi !06:53
pittiseb128: ah, merci06:53
didrockspitti: facile, tu utilises "faire" ou "passer" et tu les mets partout :p06:53
pittiseb128: j'attends avec impatience le fêtes des lumières en decembre, Annett et moi vont visiter !06:54
pittididrocks: :)06:54
larsuje ne comprends rien!06:54
larsuil fait chaud?!06:54
seb128pitti, vous allez bien vous amuser :-)06:54
seb128lol06:54
seb128larsu, sorry man ;-)06:54
larsumarmelade?06:54
larsubibliotheque!06:54
pittierr, "avons" visiter, évidemment06:54
seb128Laney, desrt, bug 1495781 seems a side effect of the fix for trash on overlayfs you did06:56
ubot5bug 1495781 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Can't move to trash in data partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149578106:56
seb128oh, I see that Laney already saw that/commented upstream06:56
pittilarsu: oui, il fait chaud (et humide) ici !06:57
larsu:)06:57
pittilarsu: ¿como estas?06:58
larsupitti: bien, pero no entiendo lo que diceís07:00
* seb128 reconfigure larsu, seems he got a wrong locale set07:04
larsuConfiguration file `larsu'07:06
larsu ==> Modified (by you or a script) since installation07:07
larsu ==> Package distributor has shipped and updated version.07:07
larsu    What would you like to do?07:07
larsu  Y: install the package maintainers version07:07
larsu  N: keep your local version07:07
larsu*** (Y/N/blah) [default=N]07:08
seb128larsu, :-)07:12
seb128larsu, did you need another review for the tz lib code/packaging?07:16
willcookeheeyyyooooo07:27
seb128hey willcooke07:28
larsuseb128: Laney had a look yesterday, but I guess another set of eyes can't hurt :)07:32
larsumorning willcooke!07:32
seb128larsu, what's the url again?07:32
hikikowillcooke, managed to post cards07:32
hikikowith perl07:32
hikikonow I only have to do the lp part :)07:32
hikikohello btw07:32
hikiko:p07:32
hikiko(in trello) :p07:33
seb128hey hikiko07:33
seb128larsu, does https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/indicator-sound/fixUnity8MuteNotification/+merge/266459 looks fine to you?07:33
larsuseb128: https://git.launchpad.net/geonames/?h=debian07:33
seb128larsu, danke07:34
larsuseb128: wow this is STILL a problem?!07:34
seb128larsu, that mp is not that old?07:34
larsuI commented a month ago :)07:34
seb128oh, that was august :p07:35
larsu;)07:35
seb128well, no reason it goes away if nothing changes07:35
seb128I'm doing a landing for indicator-sound and I was wondering if I should include that07:36
larsuI don't consider myself maintaining this anymore after people overrode decisions of mine07:36
hikikohi seb12807:36
larsubut I07:36
larsuI'll comment again07:36
seb128but if it's still discussed that's fine, it can go with the next landing07:36
seb128larsu, thanks07:36
larsuseb128: at least the whitespace fuckup should be fixed07:36
larsuso yeah, let's wait for the next landing07:36
seb128larsu, whitespace, you mean the alignment fix in the first chunck?07:37
larsuyes07:37
seb128it seems correct but has nothing to do with that changeset so should probably be split?07:37
larsuoh wait, your're right07:37
* larsu misread the else07:37
larsuthanks07:37
larsuwait a second please07:37
seb128yw07:37
seb128sure07:37
seb128I'm going to make coffee07:38
seb128take your time07:38
larsuenjoy07:38
seb128thanks :-)07:38
willcookehey hikiko - nice one!  Thanks!07:45
larsuseb128: done, but still has problems07:50
seb128larsu, thanks for the review!07:56
Laneyyo08:02
larsuhi Laney08:03
Laneyhey larsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUuuuuUUUuuuuuuu08:05
larsuoh wow08:05
larsuhow are you?08:05
Laneygnarly thanks08:08
LaneyI went on a ride last night where we looked at how the rain makes pudddles in the road08:08
Laneyand the angle of kerbs08:08
Laneyand the positioning of trees08:08
Laneythe timing of traffic signals08:08
LaneyIT WAS GREAT!08:09
Laneyyou?08:09
larsudocumenting how well cyclists can use the infrastructure?08:09
seb128hey Laney08:09
larsupretty good thanks08:09
larsuwent running in the sun this morning08:09
Laneysun08:10
Laneywhat is this word08:10
larsuhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun ?08:10
Laney40408:10
Laney(HAHAHAHA)08:10
larsuhaha08:10
larsuBritain.08:10
larsuthey block porn and references to good waether08:11
Laneyand they want to build a superhighway for bikes or something so we were looking at the route of that08:11
larsu*weather08:11
larsuoh cool!08:11
larsusuperhighway sounds ... galactic!08:11
* Laney speeds into the city centre08:11
Laneyhey seb128!08:12
Laneyhow's home life?08:12
Laneydo you miss the trail?08:12
seb128larsu, Trevinho, does one of you fancy reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538 ?08:17
Laney15/09 09:17:35 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 7     infinity               +ARefiorstv (dmb-member) [modified 6w 1d 14h ago]08:17
Laneyoops!08:17
Laneysecret dmb leakage :-)08:17
larsuseb128: is this ours now that MacSlow is gone?08:18
seb128larsu, because it was not before? ;-)08:18
larsu*officially :/08:18
seb128but I guess "yes"08:18
Laneyhe's still alive you know08:18
larsunot in this channel08:19
Laneymight be willing to review things08:19
larsuso ... not really08:19
Laneydunno what kind of tab completion you have08:19
larsuoh hi MacSlow :)08:19
* larsu must be confused08:19
Laneybut I guess yes officially08:19
hikikois it possible to resize the screen to a resolution that is > to your screen resolution?08:20
seb128hikiko, should not no08:21
larsuhopefully not08:21
hikikothanks seb12808:21
hikikoI was wondering08:22
hikikoif I could reproduce this bug:08:22
hikikohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/148572708:22
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1485727 in unity (Ubuntu) "Corrupted unity desktop after resizing vbox/vmware window." [High,In progress]08:22
hikikowithout vbox08:22
hikikobecause development directly in the pc is faster08:22
MacSlowlarsu, well I'll certainly still be around... it's not that I drop of the face of the earth :)08:23
seb128hikiko, you can configure a lower resolution, start compiz/unity and then change back the native one08:23
hikikolet's see08:23
seb128Laney, hey, life is good :-) I do miss the trail at time but my feet don't !08:25
seb128I miss the good weather though08:25
seb128we had sun mostly in Scotland where it's windy and rainy here08:25
larsuMacSlow: hopefully!08:26
larsuseb128: since when is inhibiting idle the same as not showing notifications?08:26
seb128Laney, they apparently had their worst summer in a while, but weather turned to be good just when we arrived :-)08:26
* larsu guesses this is what we did before?08:26
Laneyoh wow08:26
seb128I'm unsure, seems like we disabled it when lock screen is on08:27
hikikomm the bug doesn't appear at all :/ I ll use virtualbox08:27
Laneylarsu: I guess it's an approximation for full screen08:27
larsuindeed08:27
LaneyI didn't notice this was broken08:28
Laneyyay for the death of IM clients!08:28
larsu:(08:28
larsunow we have custom notifications from firefox instead08:28
seb128yeah, unsure what dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited is for exactly08:28
larsugnome shell doesn't seem to do this08:29
seb128maybe MacSlow remembers08:29
larsutbh, I think we should probably throw this out completely08:29
seb128that would work for me as well08:29
seb128MacSlow, do you remember why we had the dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited logic (see https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538)08:29
MacSlowseb128, larsu: iirc that was because we wanted to avoid notifications showing up when e.g. the user is doing a fullscreen-presentation..08:30
larsuMacSlow: we should probably have a special inhibit flag for that08:31
MacSlow... to avoid embarrasing moments when getting cozy IM-messages from your spouse/wife/husband/whatever...08:31
MacSlowlarsu, but several upstream apps would then have to be patched too, if we introduce a new inhibit-mechanism08:33
larsuindeed...08:34
MacSlowlarsu, I see another "grep of hell" in the future ;) at least for the package in main08:35
MacSlowpackages08:36
Laneyseems annoying08:36
MacSlowLaney, well... we have some experience in that08:36
Laneydoing annoying development? :)08:37
* larsu chuckles08:38
MacSlowLaney, no... just the "grep of hell"-part :)08:38
Laneylarsu: what /does/ shell do?08:39
larsuLaney: trying to find out right now.....08:40
Trevinhohikiko: best checking with VMware, also you can build in host  and just copy the built libunityshell in guest08:40
seb128Laney, larsu, I think they use to have a "dnd" switch in the equivalent of their indicator-session which inhibit notifications08:42
seb128but that's a manual action08:42
hikikotrue, that's what I ll do Trevinho08:42
seb128unsure if/what they do for the fullscreen presentation case08:42
larsuseb128: they don't seem to anymore... calling Inhibit(8) still let's me send notifications08:46
larsuLaney: ^08:46
didrockson, some Internet…08:47
didrocksoh*08:47
didrocks(break time)08:47
seb128hey didrocks, how is the conf?08:47
didrocksseb128: the talks are a little bit basic… At least, it confirms my understanding where they want to go with it08:48
didrocksand how they try to convince web developers to use an object/element model system08:48
didrockswhich is quite obvious for us to structure an app :)08:48
didrockshowever, quite not impressed by their network connection08:49
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hikikohttps://i.imgur.com/ysUU76u.jpg wily blue screen of death  :p (I started unity in a broken vm)08:57
TrevinhoO_o09:03
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larsuseb128, Laney: I added a demo app at https://git.launchpad.net/geonames?h=master which is not built by default (because we don't want the package to depend on gtk)10:05
larsuwould appreciate if you could break it for me10:05
larsushould be feature complete with the ubuntu-system-settings version (plus sorting by population, which I just added)10:06
larsunext on my list is to allow localized names as well, but that's tricky (and wouldn't be a regression)10:06
larsuLaney: shall I port system-settings, or do you want to?10:06
Laneylarsu: I'm not that keen so if you are then go wild10:13
GunnarHjseb128: Hi Sebastien!11:32
GunnarHjseb128: Would appreciate some advice on bug #1495097. Time to take a look?11:33
ubot5bug 1495097 in hunspell (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice crashes when interacting with Danish and Swedish thesauri" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149509711:33
larsuthere is no Swedish conspiracy11:34
LaneyGunnarHj: docs team ping11:50
LaneyGunnarHj: haven't had the default wallpaper yet, is that a problem for you?11:50
Laneysupposed to be coming soon11:50
Laneyalso, hey, how's it going? :)11:51
GunnarHjHi Laney, I'm fine, thanks. How about you?11:52
Laneyfeeling a bit octopus like11:52
ogra_growing suckers ?11:53
Laneypredicting the outcome of sporting tournaments11:54
* Laney misses Paul11:54
GunnarHjLaney: No problem with the wallpaper; we don't use it in language specific screenshots, so we can fix the English screenshots after doc string freeze.11:55
LaneyI'm guessing (but don't know) that it will be another tweak on the same concept11:56
Laneyso maybe not even that noticable11:56
GunnarHjOk.11:58
GunnarHjLaney: Is there some conference going on?11:58
Laneydon't think so11:58
Laneywhy?11:58
GunnarHjLaney: Checked out the irc log for #ubuntu-desktop, and people started to talk at 04:56. Probably the time stamp is wrong then. ;)11:59
Laneyyou should grep for pitti's "good morning" over the last few years :)12:00
GunnarHjYeah, but it wasn't just pitti...12:00
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seb128GunnarHj, hey12:04
seb128GunnarHj, those timestamps are UTC ones, so it's almost 6am local time and the next line is one hour after that12:05
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, I jumped at conclusion then. :)12:05
GunnarHjlarsu: Just noticed your remark "no Swedish conspiracy". Guess I have to believe you. ;)12:08
seb128Trevinho, re your comment on the notify-osd change, cf channel backlog, it seems like it's a hack solution to not display notification when doing presentations and such (e.g assuming that presentation/view mode inhibit idle)12:17
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willcookedidrocks, the script you mentioned in your email - is that to import in to Trello or to process bugs?13:46
didrockswillcooke: the one in my email is to import to Trello13:49
didrocks(and there is some other snippets as well on processing/syncing bugs email)13:50
willcookecool, I will speak to Ted, thanks didrocks13:50
didrocksyw13:50
didrockswillcooke: mostly sure we had one for trello, (that was before the company mostly move to asana)13:51
* Laney hacked the sponsorship report to give per-team reports13:57
Laneyhttp://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ubuntu-desktop.html13:57
seb128Laney, great :-)14:01
larsu\o/14:01
seb128though a bit weird14:01
seb128why are things like exim and bcmwl and livecd-rootfs on our list?14:02
seb128we don't even have exim on the iso14:02
LaneyArchive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in wily14:03
Laney* Reverse Recommends: +- subversion-tools |  * Supported-Development-Desktop seed14:03
seb128hum, k14:04
Laneywe might want to clean up these supported lists14:05
seb128indeed14:05
Laneybut for sponsoring we can probably handle a few weird things being on there14:06
Laneylike that exim merge has already waited a while14:06
willcookethanks Laney14:07
seb128yeah14:07
seb128I tend to look at everything in the queue when I sponsor, often there are easy sync requests or typo fixes or small patches for things that don't belong to any important set14:08
seb128but I guess some people would prefer keeping a closer eye on the desktop subset14:08
Laneysort of hoping that I can get into a habit of checking this set more regularly14:08
Laneyand patch pilot everything in the queue once a month14:08
seb128that would be good14:08
* Laney wonders about indicator-sponsoring ;-)14:09
larsuuh oh14:12
larsuis Laney tedg in disguise?14:12
Laneyheheh14:12
tedglarsu: We often get confused.14:13
tedgBut please ping charles about indicator reviews.14:14
seb128tedg, I though people confused you with Ken usually; not Charles? ;-)14:15
tedgseb128: I tried to get business cards with "The better looking kenvandine" on them, but eh, they said it was too long.14:16
seb128lol14:16
kenvandinelol14:16
* larsu lokks puzzled14:21
larsu*looks14:21
GunnarHjseb128: Did you notice my request for advice on bug #1495097?14:44
ubot5bug 1495097 in hunspell (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice crashes when interacting with Danish and Swedish thesauri" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149509714:44
seb128GunnarHj, yes, sorry, I was on my way to lunch and forgot to look at it once I was back14:44
GunnarHjseb128: Ok. Time now?14:44
seb128GunnarHj, yeah, looking14:45
seb128GunnarHj, seems fine to update to 1.3.3 as a SRU, maybe not taking the vivid version though, we try to minimize the delta when doing SRUs for easier reviews14:45
seb128GunnarHj, hum, 1.3.3 has features though14:46
seb128"OpenDocument (ODF and Flat ODF) support"14:46
seb128unsure if the SRU team would be happy with that14:47
seb128it might be better to backport the bugfixes commits14:47
GunnarHjseb128: The problem is that we have been trying that way for a few days, and haven't succeeded (at least not yet).14:47
seb128why? you didn't figure out which commits fix the issue?14:48
seb128is there a vcs for hunspell?14:48
GunnarHjseb128: We found which commits claims to fix the issue, but backporting them only partially addresses the problem.14:49
GunnarHjseb128: So it's complex.14:49
GunnarHjseb128: The PPA was made for the purpose.14:51
seb128GunnarHj, you can try to make a debdiff of the 1.3.2 -> 1.3.3 update and ping the SRU team for opinions to see if they consider that acceptable as a SRU14:52
seb128if they don't then you need to do more work figuring out what to backport14:52
GunnarHjseb128: Ok. That diff will contain a lot of other stuff, though...14:53
seb128GunnarHj, right, which is why the SRU team might reject the idea to do that update14:53
willcookehikiko, I asked tedg and he pointed me to robru14:53
GunnarHjseb128: I'll do as you suggest. Thanks!14:55
seb128GunnarHj, yw!14:56
hikikowillcooke, at least we know that someone has the script already :D less work for us!15:00
willcookehikiko, :)15:01
hallyn'unity-control-center network' in uptodate wily says 'The system network services are not compatible with this version" - known inprogress bug?15:01
hikikohallyn, I just installed wily today, wait a sec, I ll see if I can reproduce it15:02
hikikohallyn, I got the same message :)15:06
hikiko(fresh installation, default settings)15:06
seb128hallyn, not known until now and not in progress15:07
seb128I guess a sideeffect of nm 1.015:07
seb128cyphermox, ^ do you know about it?15:07
hallynok, thx. combined with not being able to run unity (for the net indicator) and wpa_supplicant+dhclient not updating resolvconf correctly, it's starting to feel like linux-from-scratch here :)15:07
* Sweet5hark lurks around in backlog.15:07
hallynthanks hikiko15:07
seb128Sweet5hark, hey15:08
cyphermoxunity-control-center network?15:08
Sweet5harkseb128: welcome back from vacation, btw! ;)15:08
cyphermoxuse nm-connection-editor15:08
seb128cyphermox, unity-control-center is our gnome-control-center fork15:08
cyphermoxyes, I knew that :)15:08
cyphermoxI'm just saying I hadn't heard of that issue15:09
seb128k15:09
cyphermoxit's got to be checking versions15:09
seb128do you have some cycle to have a lot?15:09
seb128cyphermox, I guess something like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f515:09
seb128let me try that15:09
cyphermoxhttps://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f515:09
cyphermoxhah15:09
cyphermoxyes, we get to the same thing15:10
seb128hallyn, want to report a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+filebug ?15:10
seb128cyphermox, thanks15:10
Laneythat's lucky15:10
Laneylooks like the panel got refactored since15:10
seb128unsure it applies15:10
seb128so wait for lucky comments :p15:10
qenghoDo any of you have a x86 32/64bit CPU that has no sse instruction set? Some kinds of AMD CPU or the like?15:14
qengho$ grep " sse " /proc/cpuinfo15:14
qengho^ if that says anything, your CPU is too good for my purposes.15:18
willcookeqengho,checking.  Maybe a virtual machine can help?15:19
qenghowillcooke: True, it could give me a positive result but I wouldn't trust a negative result.15:21
willcookeqengho, I assume you need a desktop as well?15:21
willcookemeh, even my VMs say they support sse15:22
qenghowillcooke: Yes, or fake x server. I need to know if Chromium is really avoiding SSE instructions if the CPU doesn't support it.15:23
willcookeqengho, is ARM any use?15:24
willcookeexpect not15:24
qenghowillcooke: no.15:24
* willcooke feels a disturbance in the force15:29
seb128hey15:30
hikikomeeting time?15:30
desrtbzzt15:30
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willcookeRoll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks (out), fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out)15:30
desrto/15:30
larsuo\15:30
Trevinhoo/15:31
hikiko/o\15:31
dgadomskihey15:31
qenghoo--15:31
hikiko-O015:31
desrt-ggdb3 ?15:31
Sweet5hark.15:32
willcookeLet's go...15:32
* larsu stays15:32
hallynseb128: bug 1496028 , thx15:32
ubot5bug 1496028 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "incompatible with network-manager version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149602815:32
willcookeIf you are not around when it's your go please shout and I will come back to you at the end15:32
willcooke#topic andyrock15:32
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andyrockhey15:33
andyrockI spent this week still trying to fix the resize bug on vm15:33
andyrockI'm kind of blocked15:33
andyrockso I asked help to hikiko15:33
andyrockshe knows more about compiz15:34
andyrockwe have workaround to fix the problem15:34
andyrockbut would be nice to have a proper fix15:34
andyrockeof15:35
willcookethanks andyrock15:35
willcooke#topic attente15:35
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attentenot much, continuing work on gtk popup menu placement... fixing the code to make sure we can properly support combo boxes...15:35
attente(eof)15:35
willcookethanks attente15:36
willcooke#topic desrt15:36
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desrtgot the inotify stuff into the glib tree as a patch against the backend... basic file monitoring is working, but i need to improve support for missing files, symlinks, etc.15:36
desrti also have nothing else at all to say about anything else15:36
desrteof.15:36
willcookethanks desrt.  Thank you for working over the weekend for the inotify stuff15:37
desrtnp.  still lots of work to do there unfortunately15:37
desrti found that my approach has a problem :(15:37
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:37
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willcookeoops, sorry desrt15:37
desrtno worries.  does not need to be discussed here.15:37
willcookekk15:37
willcookedgadomski, how goes?15:37
dgadomskihey15:38
dgadomskiit's gonna be quick again - there were no new desktop issues reported, so nothing to share this time.15:38
dgadomskithank you15:38
willcooke\o/15:38
willcookethanks dgadomski15:38
willcooke#topic FJKong15:38
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FJKongcontinue fixing bugs on pinyin search15:38
FJKongneed to search how to display icon15:39
FJKongnew feature requirement for andvanced search15:39
FJKongeof15:39
willcookethanks FJKong15:39
willcooke#topic happyaron15:39
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willcookeprobably out15:41
willcooke#topic hikiko15:41
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hikikojust came back from holidays so that's what I did yesterday and today...: finished those tutorials, and I am looking at bug #1485727 I think the problem is that we have gl calls called by a signal handler so we don't know what the opengl context is when thes calls run (+we have different processes at that time)15:42
ubot5bug 1485727 in unity (Ubuntu) "Corrupted unity desktop after resizing vbox/vmware window." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148572715:42
hikikoa change of mine revealed this bug but it was necessary I can't revert it15:43
hikiko(that's the bug andyrock mentioned)15:43
hikikoeof15:43
willcookethanks hikiko15:43
willcookegood work on the blog posts15:43
willcookeand very cool video15:43
willcooke#topic Laney15:44
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Laney• Help upload indicator-datetime for timedated fixes15:45
Laney• Review/upload gnome-terminal from Trevinho to improve scrollbars15:45
Laney• Make it so you can disable whoopsie on Ubuntu phones (fix the "don't send crash reports" setting)15:45
Laney• Help with uploading a new gtk to the "overlay" for phone, move off old Mir15:45
Laney• Work on a private test for a new version of the Ubuntu font15:45
Laney• Update: gdk-pixbuf15:45
Laney• Work with gstreamer upstream on some patches to fix conflicting typedefs with gl (not gles) disabled, now fixed15:45
Laney• Small hacking on the sponsor queue to generate per-team reports15:45
Laney• Poke a bit at glib, there's a race/timing issue in GDateTime, file upstream15:45
Laney• Some release team reviews15:45
Laney15:45
willcookethanks Laney15:45
willcooke#topic larsu15:46
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larsu- finished up datetime stuff (thanks again Laney)15:46
larsu- made a library for looking up city names, becasue city selections on phone and desktop are really bad15:47
larsu(looked through all bugs I could find to see what we need)15:47
larsuproject is up, testing appreciated15:47
larsu- started integrating that into u-c-c, u-s-s is up next15:47
larsu</larsu>15:47
seb128larsu \o/15:47
willcookethanks larsu15:47
seb128thanks for working on the city selection15:47
seb128that was needed :-)15:47
Laneyreally bad hurts my feelings :(15:48
larsu:)15:48
willcookeyes, huge usability improvement - thanks15:48
* Trevinho agrees15:48
larsuLaney: "bad" was the backend you used - not your fault15:48
qenghoIs UTC an option? The geographic list bothers me elsewhere.15:48
larsuqengho: elsewhere?15:49
larsuqengho: no, you can only select cities15:49
qenghoThat Other Phone OS.15:49
larsuah. take it up with mpt :)15:49
* larsu thinks we should only accept places in an entry labelled "location"15:49
willcookelet's take this bit of the discussion up after the meeting15:50
willcooke#topic qengho15:50
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qengho* chromium 45.0.2454.85 bugs. Not released yet.15:50
qengho** sse instruction-set detection and SIGILLs.15:50
qengho** l10n package might be broken. staging-ppa user complained. can't reproduce yet.15:50
qengho* bug, Cr can't run in guest account. kernel patch dependencies should have landed everywhere in May.15:50
qenghoEOF15:50
* Laney feels better15:50
willcookeCan people check their old machines to help test the SSE issue15:51
willcookethanks qengho15:51
qenghoOld AMDs?15:51
willcooke#topic seb12815:51
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seb128was on holidays, only back since yesterday15:51
seb128• spent most of the day catching up with backlog15:51
seb128• landed indicator fixes made during the london week (to start the correct settings binary under unity8 desktop sessions)15:51
seb128• uploaded some other pending desktop fixes as well (notify-osd, indicator-session)15:51
seb128• tested a libusermetrics bugfix and found an issue, discussed extra changes required15:51
seb128• started looking at u-c-c needed some changes to be compatible with n-m 115:51
seb128</day.5>15:51
larsuday 5?15:52
seb128.515:52
seb128yesterday and today15:52
willcookethanks seb12815:52
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark15:52
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Sweet5hark- accompanied/finished LibrOffice 5.0.1/wily upload (thanks cyphermox)15:53
Sweet5hark- tested using system libetonyek, libwps, libcmis, cppunit: looking good15:53
Sweet5hark- security topics15:53
Sweet5hark- conference preparations: travel, slides, code15:53
Sweet5hark- next up: 5.0.2.2 FFE, expected to be tagged upstream tomorrow15:53
Sweet5harkEOF15:53
willcookethanks Sweet5hark15:53
willcooke#topic TheMuso15:53
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willcooke* Finall found and fixed the accessibility bug to do with quicklist menu items not being spoken by Orca.15:53
willcooke* Found and fixed a similar bug with the shutdown/restart/logout buttons.15:53
willcooke* Discussions with upstrea about Orca gsettings implementation details.15:53
willcooke* Started looking at into packaging PulseAudio 7 and putting it in a PPA for testing. It would be nice to land this early for 16.0415:53
willcooke#topic tkamppeter15:53
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tkamppeter- cups-filters: Several fixes done on the load balancing of cups-browsed, especially jobs are not waiting on the servers but on the client, avoiding loss on server failure or removal and better distribution of the work load. We chack also if the remote queues are actually accepting jobs, let AppArmor allow cups-browsed to create files for default printer management and load balancing. These and more fixes are released in cups-filters 1.0.76 now15:53
tkamppeterand included in Wily.15:53
tkamppeter- cups: Backported infinite loop fix for the USB backend.15:53
tkamppeter- ippusbxd: More testing.15:53
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:53
willcooketkamppeter, did you parcel arrive?15:54
tkamppeterwillcooke, not yet, tracking told on 09/09 that it is going to Curitiba, then nothin and today it said that it has arrived in Curitiba, from there it should somehow get to here.15:55
willcooketkamppeter, ack.  thanks15:56
willcooke#topic Trevinho15:56
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TrevinhoFirst Meeting with Nudt (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Kylin/Meeting/2015/20150910)15:56
TrevinhoLanded new scrollbar theming and fixes for gnome-terminal15:56
TrevinhoFixed FTTB in libunity15:56
TrevinhoEven more autopilot-legacy fixes15:56
TrevinhoDone landing for new unity, ubuntu-themes, compiz, autopilot and libunity (took more than expected due to regressions)15:56
TrevinhoSome updates to the unity7 howto build post (https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/)15:56
TrevinhoNux window compositor event handling fixes (needed to get new dash scrollbars working)15:56
TrevinhoPrepared a backport branch for trusty SRU on a security but of unity-settings-daemon (needs seb128 ack)15:56
TrevinhoUsual reviews15:56
Trevinho15:56
willcookethanks Trevinho15:56
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:56
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willcooke- Worked on XMir issues with duflu15:57
willcooke- Released simple-scan 3.17.9215:57
willcooke- Stable package updates15:57
seb128Trevinho, sorry I was on vac, I can look at your security change this week if you remind me the url15:57
willcooke#topic Any other business15:57
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Trevinhoseb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-settings-daemon/automount-monitor-lockscreen-trusty (it's just a backport, same code already in wily)15:57
seb128Trevinho, thanks15:57
willcookeSprint - still no news.  Considering a move of location and/or date to see if we finalise everything.  More news as I get it.15:58
seb128Sweet5hark, did you apply for DMB again? you said you would do after holidays15:58
mdeslaurTrevinho, seb128: I am pushing out unity-settings-daemon security updates tomorrow15:58
mptqengho, I specced that “UTC” should be an unlisted but typeable option for the PC settings, but I never did the same for the phone settings. Maybe I should. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#PC>15:58
seb128mdeslaur, oh, great, thanks15:58
mdeslaurTrevinho, seb128: so please don't do anything with that merge request, I'm handling it in the usual security update way15:58
Trevinhomdeslaur: ah, fair enough. I was considering a landing at this point (as it was there for long time ayway :))15:58
Sweet5harkseb128: not yet. looked and found a sponsor/reviewer from the DMB for the LibreOffice package though. (cyphermox this time).15:59
mdeslaurTrevinho: thanks for fixing that! :)15:59
seb128mdeslaur, less work, +1 from me!15:59
Trevinhonp ;)15:59
mdeslaurhehe16:00
willcookeok, I think we're there.16:00
Sweet5harkseb128: he wondered how I am neither drunk nor in hospital after seeing the nitty-gritty details of the package.16:00
willcooke#endmeeting16:00
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep 15 16:00:28 2015 UTC.16:00
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-09-15-15.30.moin.txt16:00
mdeslaurseb128: I'll trade you for finding someone to review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mdeslaur/indicator-power/fix-priorities16:00
seb128willcooke, if we move the sprint maybe ask everyone what weeks they are available or not (or check calendar if it has the info)16:00
willcookeseb128, of course16:00
LaneyThat would be annoying16:02
LaneyI've been turning down plans for that week16:02
willcookeLaney, likewise16:04
willcookeit's a last resort16:04
seb128willcooke, imho better to keep the week, if locations don't work and we have to do it in London let's do that?16:05
willcookeseb128, yeah I think that's the best option16:06
willcookeclan is working on it right now16:06
seb128k16:06
Trevinhowell, but Prague.... <316:06
TrevinhoAnyway, it's fine everywhere for me16:07
larsuwillcooke: sorry to be so blunt, but wtf is going on? We have a sprint every October and yet time/date is still up in the air...16:08
larsuit's very hard to make any plans this way16:08
Sweet5harkoh, guys, I forgot the big news for today ....16:08
willcookelarsu, I'll be happy to discuss off line16:08
larsu*time/place, sorry16:08
Sweet5harkItalian military switches 150.000 desktops to LibreOffice and ODF: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/italian-military-switch-libreoffice-and-odf16:09
Laneytime to commit a patch that changes all documents to "we stand for peace, the military is disbanded"16:10
* Trevinho proud of his army (for the first time ever)16:10
* Trevinho proud of his army (for the first time ever)16:10
Sweet5harkTrevinho: heh16:11
Sweet5harkTrevinho: yeah, thats all kinds of awesome.16:11
Sweet5harkTrevinho: all kudos to the LibreItalia team. They are very awesome.16:12
TrevinhoSweet5hark: yeah, I meet them from time to time, they're really cool guys!16:15
larsumpt: why UTC but not GMT or PDT?16:17
larsubecause otherwise one could't select a timezone without daylight savings time?16:18
seb128Laney, unsure if you get u-c-c mps, you mentioned cases in the past where you didn't receive emails about those, so in case, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/nm1/+merge/27115717:06
seb128cyphermox, ^17:06
seb128that fixes the buggy check and make the panel work without complaining17:07
Laneyseb128: will look tomorrow if nobody else does, thanks!17:07
Laneyand no I don't but at least they should come up on that sponsor page now17:07
seb128Laney, thanks, enjoy your evening!17:07
seb128climbing night for you?17:07
* seb128 has tennis tonight17:07
cyphermoxapproved.17:07
seb128quite wet and windy outside though17:07
seb128cyphermox, thanks17:07
=== alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD
cyphermoxdo I should do the merge too, or is that all you need?17:08
Laneyno climbing, did that the last two days17:09
cyphermoxoh, is this stuff that has to go through silos?17:09
LaneyMGS V → pub quiz17:09
Laneyit is a silofest17:09
* cyphermox fixes ubiquity instead17:10
Laneyyou could practice your CI train skills17:10
cyphermoxwell, technically I probably should be a trainguard this week or something, so it's possibly better if others do it17:10
seb128cyphermox, I'm doing a landing, already in a silp17:10
seb128silo17:10
cyphermoxok17:11
seb128Laney, good luck for the quiz ;-)17:11
didrocksenjoy Laney ;)17:11
Laneylate night didrocks17:11
sethjwell23:19
sethjI was going to help with the bug scrub, but the ubiquity crash bug prevents me from installing Wily so..23:20

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