=== nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [04:56] Good morning [05:45] what a wonderful morning! [05:50] hey larsu, wie gehts? [05:51] pitti: fantastisch - war gerade in der Sonne joggen :) [05:51] larsu: wow, alles grau und regnerisch hier [05:51] pitti: hier nicht :P https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tpuhymanh0255xv/AABAidOQ2jiSrTKFY2sAJc7ia [05:51] niice! [05:52] :) [05:52] wie gehts dir? [05:53] larsu: ganz okay, konnte nur wieder schlecht schlafen [05:53] pitti: oh? Wasn los? [05:54] weiss auch nicht, war die letzten Tage halt so [05:54] hm, alles Gute! [05:59] good morning! [06:00] hi didrocks [06:00] ça va? [06:01] hello [06:01] morning hikiko [06:01] bonjour didrocks, ça va ? [06:02] hey larsu, hikiko, pitti [06:02] I'm fine, didn't sleep well at the hotel (until 3h30), but at the conference :p [06:02] lol [06:02] opening in a hour, so just catching up on work ;) [06:03] hi didrocks larsu pitti :D [06:06] they really made the place quite cool [06:11] where are you? [06:12] larsu: https://www.polymer-project.org/summit (there is a photo below) [06:13] larsu: it looks like this now: https://goo.gl/photos/H5hD2frXAyUfQB3m7 [06:18] didrocks: cool! [06:21] * didrocks has beautiful donuts in front of me… sad that I ate too much this morning already :p [06:22] :) [06:38] * didrocks is in the room, exciting! :) [06:38] meanwhile, did a small html import for ubuntu font: https://github.com/ubuntu/font-ubuntu [06:41] didrocks: *info :P [06:42] larsu: are you sure? I was certain informations was always plural [06:42] "information" is like "water", no "informations" in English [06:43] contre par français ou allemand :) [06:43] ah, so the contrary, I probably mixed up with "news" [06:43] thx, fixing! [06:43] didrocks: yes, "information" is already plural. There's no need to add an extra s [06:43] larsu: crazy language :p [06:43] en effet ! [06:43] didrocks: I guess in French it's like in German? (singular: Information; plural: Informationen) [06:43] ;) [06:44] right: information, informations [06:44] good morning desktopers [06:44] in English, "information" and "advice" are both not countable, so no plural [06:44] ah even harder because it's spelled the same [06:44] bonjour seb128 ! ça va ? [06:44] pitti: thanks for your advices! [06:45] larsu: *OCD jumping up and down* [06:45] hey pitti [06:45] * larsu calms pitti down [06:45] mais on a appris le calendrier et les dates hier soir au course français -- c'est un peu difficile aussi ! [06:48] pitti, tu prends des cours de français ? [06:49] seb128: oui, depuis la dernière semaine [06:49] ah, c'est bien :-) [06:49] 1 fois par semaine ? [06:49] (la semaine derniére ? je ne peux pas me rappeler) [06:49] pitti: passe ton système en français, tu auras la date du jour comme ça :) [06:50] seb128: oui, et quelques exercises pour faire à maison [06:51] didrocks: désolé, je ne l'ai pas compris ça [06:52] pitti: easy, "system-settings -> languages -> french" ;) then you will have a french date! [06:52] seb128: les courses (où je peux parler avec des vraies personnes :) ) et duolingo sont bien pour apprendre [06:52] pitti, "les cours", "courses" c'est pour le shopping ou le sport ;-) [06:53] didrocks: ah! le mot "passer" a trop de significations [06:53] pitti, tu parleras bientôt français comme Didier et moi ! [06:53] seb128: ah, merci [06:53] pitti: facile, tu utilises "faire" ou "passer" et tu les mets partout :p [06:54] seb128: j'attends avec impatience le fêtes des lumières en decembre, Annett et moi vont visiter ! [06:54] didrocks: :) [06:54] je ne comprends rien! [06:54] il fait chaud?! [06:54] pitti, vous allez bien vous amuser :-) [06:54] lol [06:54] larsu, sorry man ;-) [06:54] marmelade? [06:54] bibliotheque! [06:54] err, "avons" visiter, évidemment [06:56] Laney, desrt, bug 1495781 seems a side effect of the fix for trash on overlayfs you did [06:56] bug 1495781 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Can't move to trash in data partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495781 [06:56] oh, I see that Laney already saw that/commented upstream [06:57] larsu: oui, il fait chaud (et humide) ici ! [06:57] :) [06:58] larsu: ¿como estas? [07:00] pitti: bien, pero no entiendo lo que diceís [07:04] * seb128 reconfigure larsu, seems he got a wrong locale set [07:06] Configuration file `larsu' [07:07] ==> Modified (by you or a script) since installation [07:07] ==> Package distributor has shipped and updated version. [07:07] What would you like to do? [07:07] Y: install the package maintainers version [07:07] N: keep your local version [07:08] *** (Y/N/blah) [default=N] [07:12] larsu, :-) [07:16] larsu, did you need another review for the tz lib code/packaging? [07:27] heeyyyooooo [07:28] hey willcooke [07:32] seb128: Laney had a look yesterday, but I guess another set of eyes can't hurt :) [07:32] morning willcooke! [07:32] larsu, what's the url again? [07:32] willcooke, managed to post cards [07:32] with perl [07:32] now I only have to do the lp part :) [07:32] hello btw [07:32] :p [07:33] (in trello) :p [07:33] hey hikiko [07:33] larsu, does https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/indicator-sound/fixUnity8MuteNotification/+merge/266459 looks fine to you? [07:33] seb128: https://git.launchpad.net/geonames/?h=debian [07:34] larsu, danke [07:34] seb128: wow this is STILL a problem?! [07:34] larsu, that mp is not that old? [07:34] I commented a month ago :) [07:35] oh, that was august :p [07:35] ;) [07:35] well, no reason it goes away if nothing changes [07:36] I'm doing a landing for indicator-sound and I was wondering if I should include that [07:36] I don't consider myself maintaining this anymore after people overrode decisions of mine [07:36] hi seb128 [07:36] but I [07:36] I'll comment again [07:36] but if it's still discussed that's fine, it can go with the next landing [07:36] larsu, thanks [07:36] seb128: at least the whitespace fuckup should be fixed [07:36] so yeah, let's wait for the next landing [07:37] larsu, whitespace, you mean the alignment fix in the first chunck? [07:37] yes [07:37] it seems correct but has nothing to do with that changeset so should probably be split? [07:37] oh wait, your're right [07:37] * larsu misread the else [07:37] thanks [07:37] wait a second please [07:37] yw [07:37] sure [07:38] I'm going to make coffee [07:38] take your time [07:38] enjoy [07:38] thanks :-) [07:45] hey hikiko - nice one! Thanks! [07:50] seb128: done, but still has problems [07:56] larsu, thanks for the review! [08:02] yo [08:03] hi Laney [08:05] hey larsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUuuuuUUUuuuuuuu [08:05] oh wow [08:05] how are you? [08:08] gnarly thanks [08:08] I went on a ride last night where we looked at how the rain makes pudddles in the road [08:08] and the angle of kerbs [08:08] and the positioning of trees [08:08] the timing of traffic signals [08:09] IT WAS GREAT! [08:09] you? [08:09] documenting how well cyclists can use the infrastructure? [08:09] hey Laney [08:09] pretty good thanks [08:09] went running in the sun this morning [08:10] sun [08:10] what is this word [08:10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun ? [08:10] 404 [08:10] (HAHAHAHA) [08:10] haha [08:10] Britain. [08:11] they block porn and references to good waether [08:11] and they want to build a superhighway for bikes or something so we were looking at the route of that [08:11] *weather [08:11] oh cool! [08:11] superhighway sounds ... galactic! [08:11] * Laney speeds into the city centre [08:12] hey seb128! [08:12] how's home life? [08:12] do you miss the trail? [08:17] larsu, Trevinho, does one of you fancy reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538 ? [08:17] 15/09 09:17:35 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 7 infinity +ARefiorstv (dmb-member) [modified 6w 1d 14h ago] [08:17] oops! [08:17] secret dmb leakage :-) [08:18] seb128: is this ours now that MacSlow is gone? [08:18] larsu, because it was not before? ;-) [08:18] *officially :/ [08:18] but I guess "yes" [08:18] he's still alive you know [08:19] not in this channel [08:19] might be willing to review things [08:19] so ... not really [08:19] dunno what kind of tab completion you have [08:19] oh hi MacSlow :) [08:19] * larsu must be confused [08:19] but I guess yes officially [08:20] is it possible to resize the screen to a resolution that is > to your screen resolution? [08:21] hikiko, should not no [08:21] hopefully not [08:21] thanks seb128 [08:22] I was wondering [08:22] if I could reproduce this bug: [08:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1485727 [08:22] Ubuntu bug 1485727 in unity (Ubuntu) "Corrupted unity desktop after resizing vbox/vmware window." [High,In progress] [08:22] without vbox [08:22] because development directly in the pc is faster [08:23] larsu, well I'll certainly still be around... it's not that I drop of the face of the earth :) [08:23] hikiko, you can configure a lower resolution, start compiz/unity and then change back the native one [08:23] let's see [08:25] Laney, hey, life is good :-) I do miss the trail at time but my feet don't ! [08:25] I miss the good weather though [08:25] we had sun mostly in Scotland where it's windy and rainy here [08:26] MacSlow: hopefully! [08:26] seb128: since when is inhibiting idle the same as not showing notifications? [08:26] Laney, they apparently had their worst summer in a while, but weather turned to be good just when we arrived :-) [08:26] * larsu guesses this is what we did before? [08:26] oh wow [08:27] I'm unsure, seems like we disabled it when lock screen is on [08:27] mm the bug doesn't appear at all :/ I ll use virtualbox [08:27] larsu: I guess it's an approximation for full screen [08:27] indeed [08:28] I didn't notice this was broken [08:28] yay for the death of IM clients! [08:28] :( [08:28] now we have custom notifications from firefox instead [08:28] yeah, unsure what dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited is for exactly [08:29] gnome shell doesn't seem to do this [08:29] maybe MacSlow remembers [08:29] tbh, I think we should probably throw this out completely [08:29] that would work for me as well [08:29] MacSlow, do you remember why we had the dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited logic (see https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538) [08:30] seb128, larsu: iirc that was because we wanted to avoid notifications showing up when e.g. the user is doing a fullscreen-presentation.. [08:31] MacSlow: we should probably have a special inhibit flag for that [08:31] ... to avoid embarrasing moments when getting cozy IM-messages from your spouse/wife/husband/whatever... [08:33] larsu, but several upstream apps would then have to be patched too, if we introduce a new inhibit-mechanism [08:34] indeed... [08:35] larsu, I see another "grep of hell" in the future ;) at least for the package in main [08:36] packages [08:36] seems annoying [08:36] Laney, well... we have some experience in that [08:37] doing annoying development? :) [08:38] * larsu chuckles [08:38] Laney, no... just the "grep of hell"-part :) [08:39] larsu: what /does/ shell do? [08:40] Laney: trying to find out right now..... [08:40] hikiko: best checking with VMware, also you can build in host and just copy the built libunityshell in guest [08:42] Laney, larsu, I think they use to have a "dnd" switch in the equivalent of their indicator-session which inhibit notifications [08:42] but that's a manual action [08:42] true, that's what I ll do Trevinho [08:42] unsure if/what they do for the fullscreen presentation case [08:46] seb128: they don't seem to anymore... calling Inhibit(8) still let's me send notifications [08:46] Laney: ^ [08:47] on, some Internet… [08:47] oh* [08:47] (break time) [08:47] hey didrocks, how is the conf? [08:48] seb128: the talks are a little bit basic… At least, it confirms my understanding where they want to go with it [08:48] and how they try to convince web developers to use an object/element model system [08:48] which is quite obvious for us to structure an app :) [08:49] however, quite not impressed by their network connection === hikiko__ is now known as hikiko [08:57] https://i.imgur.com/ysUU76u.jpg wily blue screen of death :p (I started unity in a broken vm) [09:03] O_o === hikiko-lpt is now known as hikiko [10:05] seb128, Laney: I added a demo app at https://git.launchpad.net/geonames?h=master which is not built by default (because we don't want the package to depend on gtk) [10:05] would appreciate if you could break it for me [10:06] should be feature complete with the ubuntu-system-settings version (plus sorting by population, which I just added) [10:06] next on my list is to allow localized names as well, but that's tricky (and wouldn't be a regression) [10:06] Laney: shall I port system-settings, or do you want to? [10:13] larsu: I'm not that keen so if you are then go wild [11:32] seb128: Hi Sebastien! [11:33] seb128: Would appreciate some advice on bug #1495097. Time to take a look? [11:33] bug 1495097 in hunspell (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice crashes when interacting with Danish and Swedish thesauri" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495097 [11:34] there is no Swedish conspiracy [11:50] GunnarHj: docs team ping [11:50] GunnarHj: haven't had the default wallpaper yet, is that a problem for you? [11:50] supposed to be coming soon [11:51] also, hey, how's it going? :) [11:52] Hi Laney, I'm fine, thanks. How about you? [11:52] feeling a bit octopus like [11:53] growing suckers ? [11:54] predicting the outcome of sporting tournaments [11:54] * Laney misses Paul [11:55] Laney: No problem with the wallpaper; we don't use it in language specific screenshots, so we can fix the English screenshots after doc string freeze. [11:56] I'm guessing (but don't know) that it will be another tweak on the same concept [11:56] so maybe not even that noticable [11:58] Ok. [11:58] Laney: Is there some conference going on? [11:58] don't think so [11:58] why? [11:59] Laney: Checked out the irc log for #ubuntu-desktop, and people started to talk at 04:56. Probably the time stamp is wrong then. ;) [12:00] you should grep for pitti's "good morning" over the last few years :) [12:00] Yeah, but it wasn't just pitti... === hikiko-lpt is now known as hikiko|ln === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:04] GunnarHj, hey [12:05] GunnarHj, those timestamps are UTC ones, so it's almost 6am local time and the next line is one hour after that [12:05] seb128: Ok, I jumped at conclusion then. :) [12:08] larsu: Just noticed your remark "no Swedish conspiracy". Guess I have to believe you. ;) [12:17] Trevinho, re your comment on the notify-osd change, cf channel backlog, it seems like it's a hack solution to not display notification when doing presentations and such (e.g assuming that presentation/view mode inhibit idle) === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:46] didrocks, the script you mentioned in your email - is that to import in to Trello or to process bugs? [13:49] willcooke: the one in my email is to import to Trello [13:50] (and there is some other snippets as well on processing/syncing bugs email) [13:50] cool, I will speak to Ted, thanks didrocks [13:50] yw [13:51] willcooke: mostly sure we had one for trello, (that was before the company mostly move to asana) [13:57] * Laney hacked the sponsorship report to give per-team reports [13:57] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ubuntu-desktop.html [14:01] Laney, great :-) [14:01] \o/ [14:01] though a bit weird [14:02] why are things like exim and bcmwl and livecd-rootfs on our list? [14:02] we don't even have exim on the iso [14:03] Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in wily [14:03] * Reverse Recommends: +- subversion-tools | * Supported-Development-Desktop seed [14:04] hum, k [14:05] we might want to clean up these supported lists [14:05] indeed [14:06] but for sponsoring we can probably handle a few weird things being on there [14:06] like that exim merge has already waited a while [14:07] thanks Laney [14:07] yeah [14:08] I tend to look at everything in the queue when I sponsor, often there are easy sync requests or typo fixes or small patches for things that don't belong to any important set [14:08] but I guess some people would prefer keeping a closer eye on the desktop subset [14:08] sort of hoping that I can get into a habit of checking this set more regularly [14:08] and patch pilot everything in the queue once a month [14:08] that would be good [14:09] * Laney wonders about indicator-sponsoring ;-) [14:12] uh oh [14:12] is Laney tedg in disguise? [14:12] heheh [14:13] larsu: We often get confused. [14:14] But please ping charles about indicator reviews. [14:15] tedg, I though people confused you with Ken usually; not Charles? ;-) [14:16] seb128: I tried to get business cards with "The better looking kenvandine" on them, but eh, they said it was too long. [14:16] lol [14:16] lol [14:21] * larsu lokks puzzled [14:21] *looks [14:44] seb128: Did you notice my request for advice on bug #1495097? [14:44] bug 1495097 in hunspell (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice crashes when interacting with Danish and Swedish thesauri" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495097 [14:44] GunnarHj, yes, sorry, I was on my way to lunch and forgot to look at it once I was back [14:44] seb128: Ok. Time now? [14:45] GunnarHj, yeah, looking [14:45] GunnarHj, seems fine to update to 1.3.3 as a SRU, maybe not taking the vivid version though, we try to minimize the delta when doing SRUs for easier reviews [14:46] GunnarHj, hum, 1.3.3 has features though [14:46] "OpenDocument (ODF and Flat ODF) support" [14:47] unsure if the SRU team would be happy with that [14:47] it might be better to backport the bugfixes commits [14:47] seb128: The problem is that we have been trying that way for a few days, and haven't succeeded (at least not yet). [14:48] why? you didn't figure out which commits fix the issue? [14:48] is there a vcs for hunspell? [14:49] seb128: We found which commits claims to fix the issue, but backporting them only partially addresses the problem. [14:49] seb128: So it's complex. [14:51] seb128: The PPA was made for the purpose. [14:52] GunnarHj, you can try to make a debdiff of the 1.3.2 -> 1.3.3 update and ping the SRU team for opinions to see if they consider that acceptable as a SRU [14:52] if they don't then you need to do more work figuring out what to backport [14:53] seb128: Ok. That diff will contain a lot of other stuff, though... [14:53] GunnarHj, right, which is why the SRU team might reject the idea to do that update [14:53] hikiko, I asked tedg and he pointed me to robru [14:55] seb128: I'll do as you suggest. Thanks! [14:56] GunnarHj, yw! [15:00] willcooke, at least we know that someone has the script already :D less work for us! [15:01] hikiko, :) [15:01] 'unity-control-center network' in uptodate wily says 'The system network services are not compatible with this version" - known inprogress bug? [15:02] hallyn, I just installed wily today, wait a sec, I ll see if I can reproduce it [15:06] hallyn, I got the same message :) [15:06] (fresh installation, default settings) [15:07] hallyn, not known until now and not in progress [15:07] I guess a sideeffect of nm 1.0 [15:07] cyphermox, ^ do you know about it? [15:07] ok, thx. combined with not being able to run unity (for the net indicator) and wpa_supplicant+dhclient not updating resolvconf correctly, it's starting to feel like linux-from-scratch here :) [15:07] * Sweet5hark lurks around in backlog. [15:07] thanks hikiko [15:08] Sweet5hark, hey [15:08] unity-control-center network? [15:08] seb128: welcome back from vacation, btw! ;) [15:08] use nm-connection-editor [15:08] cyphermox, unity-control-center is our gnome-control-center fork [15:08] yes, I knew that :) [15:09] I'm just saying I hadn't heard of that issue [15:09] k [15:09] it's got to be checking versions [15:09] do you have some cycle to have a lot? [15:09] cyphermox, I guess something like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f5 [15:09] let me try that [15:09] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f5 [15:09] hah [15:10] yes, we get to the same thing [15:10] hallyn, want to report a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+filebug ? [15:10] cyphermox, thanks [15:10] that's lucky [15:10] looks like the panel got refactored since [15:10] unsure it applies [15:10] so wait for lucky comments :p [15:14] Do any of you have a x86 32/64bit CPU that has no sse instruction set? Some kinds of AMD CPU or the like? [15:14] $ grep " sse " /proc/cpuinfo [15:18] ^ if that says anything, your CPU is too good for my purposes. [15:19] qengho,checking. Maybe a virtual machine can help? [15:21] willcooke: True, it could give me a positive result but I wouldn't trust a negative result. [15:21] qengho, I assume you need a desktop as well? [15:22] meh, even my VMs say they support sse [15:23] willcooke: Yes, or fake x server. I need to know if Chromium is really avoiding SSE instructions if the CPU doesn't support it. [15:24] qengho, is ARM any use? [15:24] expect not [15:24] willcooke: no. [15:29] * willcooke feels a disturbance in the force [15:30] hey [15:30] meeting time? [15:30] bzzt [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-09-15 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Sep 15 15:30:33 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-09-15 | Current topic: [15:30] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks (out), fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out) [15:30] o/ [15:30] o\ [15:31] o/ [15:31] /o\ [15:31] hey [15:31] o-- [15:31] -O0 [15:31] -ggdb3 ? [15:32] . [15:32] Let's go... [15:32] * larsu stays [15:32] seb128: bug 1496028 , thx [15:32]