[04:56] <pitti> Good morning
[05:45] <larsu> what a wonderful morning!
[05:50] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[05:51] <larsu> pitti: fantastisch - war gerade in der Sonne joggen :)
[05:51] <pitti> larsu: wow, alles grau und regnerisch hier
[05:51] <larsu> pitti: hier nicht :P https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tpuhymanh0255xv/AABAidOQ2jiSrTKFY2sAJc7ia
[05:51] <pitti> niice!
[05:52] <larsu> :)
[05:52] <larsu> wie gehts dir?
[05:53] <pitti> larsu: ganz okay, konnte nur wieder schlecht schlafen
[05:53] <larsu> pitti: oh? Wasn los?
[05:54] <pitti> weiss auch nicht, war die letzten Tage halt so
[05:54] <larsu> hm, alles Gute!
[05:59] <didrocks> good morning!
[06:00] <larsu> hi didrocks
[06:00] <larsu> ça va?
[06:01] <hikiko> hello
[06:01] <larsu> morning hikiko
[06:01] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:02] <didrocks> hey larsu, hikiko, pitti
[06:02] <didrocks> I'm fine, didn't sleep well at the hotel (until 3h30), but at the conference :p
[06:02] <pitti> lol
[06:02] <didrocks> opening in a hour, so just catching up on work ;)
[06:03] <hikiko> hi didrocks larsu pitti :D
[06:06] <didrocks> they really made the place quite cool
[06:11] <larsu> where are you?
[06:12] <didrocks> larsu: https://www.polymer-project.org/summit (there is a photo below)
[06:13] <didrocks> larsu: it looks like this now: https://goo.gl/photos/H5hD2frXAyUfQB3m7
[06:18] <larsu> didrocks: cool!
[06:21]  * didrocks has beautiful donuts in front of me… sad that I ate too much this morning already :p
[06:22] <larsu> :)
[06:38]  * didrocks is in the room, exciting! :)
[06:38] <didrocks> meanwhile, did a small html import for ubuntu font: https://github.com/ubuntu/font-ubuntu
[06:41] <larsu> didrocks: *info :P
[06:42] <didrocks> larsu: are you sure? I was certain informations was always plural
[06:42] <pitti> "information" is like "water", no "informations" in English
[06:43] <pitti> contre par français ou allemand :)
[06:43] <didrocks> ah, so the contrary, I probably mixed up with "news"
[06:43] <didrocks> thx, fixing!
[06:43] <larsu> didrocks: yes, "information" is already plural. There's no need to add an extra s
[06:43] <didrocks> larsu: crazy language :p
[06:43] <pitti> en effet !
[06:43] <larsu> didrocks: I guess in French it's like in German? (singular: Information; plural: Informationen)
[06:43] <didrocks> ;)
[06:44] <didrocks> right: information, informations
[06:44] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:44] <pitti> in English, "information" and "advice" are both not countable, so no plural
[06:44] <larsu> ah even harder because it's spelled the same
[06:44] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! ça va ?
[06:44] <larsu> pitti: thanks for your advices!
[06:45] <pitti> larsu: *OCD jumping up and down*
[06:45] <seb128> hey pitti
[06:45]  * larsu calms pitti down
[06:45] <pitti> mais on a appris le calendrier et les dates hier soir au course français -- c'est un peu difficile aussi !
[06:48] <seb128> pitti, tu prends des cours de français ?
[06:49] <pitti> seb128: oui, depuis la dernière semaine
[06:49] <seb128> ah, c'est bien :-)
[06:49] <seb128> 1 fois par semaine ?
[06:49] <pitti> (la semaine derniére ? je ne peux pas me rappeler)
[06:49] <didrocks> pitti: passe ton système en français, tu auras la date du jour comme ça :)
[06:50] <pitti> seb128: oui, et quelques exercises pour faire à maison
[06:51] <pitti> didrocks: désolé, je ne l'ai pas compris ça
[06:52] <didrocks> pitti: easy, "system-settings -> languages -> french" ;) then you will have a french date!
[06:52] <pitti> seb128: les courses (où je peux parler avec des vraies personnes :) ) et duolingo sont bien pour apprendre
[06:52] <seb128> pitti, "les cours", "courses" c'est pour le shopping ou le sport ;-)
[06:53] <pitti> didrocks: ah! le mot "passer" a trop de significations
[06:53] <seb128> pitti, tu parleras bientôt français comme Didier et moi !
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: ah, merci
[06:53] <didrocks> pitti: facile, tu utilises "faire" ou "passer" et tu les mets partout :p
[06:54] <pitti> seb128: j'attends avec impatience le fêtes des lumières en decembre, Annett et moi vont visiter !
[06:54] <pitti> didrocks: :)
[06:54] <larsu> je ne comprends rien!
[06:54] <larsu> il fait chaud?!
[06:54] <seb128> pitti, vous allez bien vous amuser :-)
[06:54] <seb128> lol
[06:54] <seb128> larsu, sorry man ;-)
[06:54] <larsu> marmelade?
[06:54] <larsu> bibliotheque!
[06:54] <pitti> err, "avons" visiter, évidemment
[06:56] <seb128> Laney, desrt, bug 1495781 seems a side effect of the fix for trash on overlayfs you did
[06:56] <seb128> oh, I see that Laney already saw that/commented upstream
[06:57] <pitti> larsu: oui, il fait chaud (et humide) ici !
[06:57] <larsu> :)
[06:58] <pitti> larsu: ¿como estas?
[07:00] <larsu> pitti: bien, pero no entiendo lo que diceís
[07:04]  * seb128 reconfigure larsu, seems he got a wrong locale set
[07:06] <larsu> Configuration file `larsu'
[07:07] <larsu>  ==> Modified (by you or a script) since installation
[07:07] <larsu>  ==> Package distributor has shipped and updated version.
[07:07] <larsu>     What would you like to do?
[07:07] <larsu>   Y: install the package maintainers version
[07:07] <larsu>   N: keep your local version
[07:08] <larsu> *** (Y/N/blah) [default=N]
[07:12] <seb128> larsu, :-)
[07:16] <seb128> larsu, did you need another review for the tz lib code/packaging?
[07:27] <willcooke> heeyyyooooo
[07:28] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:32] <larsu> seb128: Laney had a look yesterday, but I guess another set of eyes can't hurt :)
[07:32] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[07:32] <seb128> larsu, what's the url again?
[07:32] <hikiko> willcooke, managed to post cards
[07:32] <hikiko> with perl
[07:32] <hikiko> now I only have to do the lp part :)
[07:32] <hikiko> hello btw
[07:32] <hikiko> :p
[07:33] <hikiko> (in trello) :p
[07:33] <seb128> hey hikiko
[07:33] <seb128> larsu, does https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/indicator-sound/fixUnity8MuteNotification/+merge/266459 looks fine to you?
[07:33] <larsu> seb128: https://git.launchpad.net/geonames/?h=debian
[07:34] <seb128> larsu, danke
[07:34] <larsu> seb128: wow this is STILL a problem?!
[07:34] <seb128> larsu, that mp is not that old?
[07:34] <larsu> I commented a month ago :)
[07:35] <seb128> oh, that was august :p
[07:35] <larsu> ;)
[07:35] <seb128> well, no reason it goes away if nothing changes
[07:36] <seb128> I'm doing a landing for indicator-sound and I was wondering if I should include that
[07:36] <larsu> I don't consider myself maintaining this anymore after people overrode decisions of mine
[07:36] <hikiko> hi seb128
[07:36] <larsu> but I
[07:36] <larsu> I'll comment again
[07:36] <seb128> but if it's still discussed that's fine, it can go with the next landing
[07:36] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[07:36] <larsu> seb128: at least the whitespace fuckup should be fixed
[07:36] <larsu> so yeah, let's wait for the next landing
[07:37] <seb128> larsu, whitespace, you mean the alignment fix in the first chunck?
[07:37] <larsu> yes
[07:37] <seb128> it seems correct but has nothing to do with that changeset so should probably be split?
[07:37] <larsu> oh wait, your're right
[07:37]  * larsu misread the else
[07:37] <larsu> thanks
[07:37] <larsu> wait a second please
[07:37] <seb128> yw
[07:37] <seb128> sure
[07:38] <seb128> I'm going to make coffee
[07:38] <seb128> take your time
[07:38] <larsu> enjoy
[07:38] <seb128> thanks :-)
[07:45] <willcooke> hey hikiko - nice one!  Thanks!
[07:50] <larsu> seb128: done, but still has problems
[07:56] <seb128> larsu, thanks for the review!
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:03] <larsu> hi Laney
[08:05] <Laney> hey larsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUuuuuUUUuuuuuuu
[08:05] <larsu> oh wow
[08:05] <larsu> how are you?
[08:08] <Laney> gnarly thanks
[08:08] <Laney> I went on a ride last night where we looked at how the rain makes pudddles in the road
[08:08] <Laney> and the angle of kerbs
[08:08] <Laney> and the positioning of trees
[08:08] <Laney> the timing of traffic signals
[08:09] <Laney> IT WAS GREAT!
[08:09] <Laney> you?
[08:09] <larsu> documenting how well cyclists can use the infrastructure?
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:09] <larsu> pretty good thanks
[08:09] <larsu> went running in the sun this morning
[08:10] <Laney> sun
[08:10] <Laney> what is this word
[08:10] <larsu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun ?
[08:10] <Laney> 404
[08:10] <Laney> (HAHAHAHA)
[08:10] <larsu> haha
[08:10] <larsu> Britain.
[08:11] <larsu> they block porn and references to good waether
[08:11] <Laney> and they want to build a superhighway for bikes or something so we were looking at the route of that
[08:11] <larsu> *weather
[08:11] <larsu> oh cool!
[08:11] <larsu> superhighway sounds ... galactic!
[08:11]  * Laney speeds into the city centre
[08:12] <Laney> hey seb128!
[08:12] <Laney> how's home life?
[08:12] <Laney> do you miss the trail?
[08:17] <seb128> larsu, Trevinho, does one of you fancy reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538 ?
[08:17] <Laney> 15/09 09:17:35 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 7     infinity               +ARefiorstv (dmb-member) [modified 6w 1d 14h ago]
[08:17] <Laney> oops!
[08:17] <Laney> secret dmb leakage :-)
[08:18] <larsu> seb128: is this ours now that MacSlow is gone?
[08:18] <seb128> larsu, because it was not before? ;-)
[08:18] <larsu> *officially :/
[08:18] <seb128> but I guess "yes"
[08:18] <Laney> he's still alive you know
[08:19] <larsu> not in this channel
[08:19] <Laney> might be willing to review things
[08:19] <larsu> so ... not really
[08:19] <Laney> dunno what kind of tab completion you have
[08:19] <larsu> oh hi MacSlow :)
[08:19]  * larsu must be confused
[08:19] <Laney> but I guess yes officially
[08:20] <hikiko> is it possible to resize the screen to a resolution that is > to your screen resolution?
[08:21] <seb128> hikiko, should not no
[08:21] <larsu> hopefully not
[08:21] <hikiko> thanks seb128
[08:22] <hikiko> I was wondering
[08:22] <hikiko> if I could reproduce this bug:
[08:22] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1485727
[08:22] <hikiko> without vbox
[08:22] <hikiko> because development directly in the pc is faster
[08:23] <MacSlow> larsu, well I'll certainly still be around... it's not that I drop of the face of the earth :)
[08:23] <seb128> hikiko, you can configure a lower resolution, start compiz/unity and then change back the native one
[08:23] <hikiko> let's see
[08:25] <seb128> Laney, hey, life is good :-) I do miss the trail at time but my feet don't !
[08:25] <seb128> I miss the good weather though
[08:25] <seb128> we had sun mostly in Scotland where it's windy and rainy here
[08:26] <larsu> MacSlow: hopefully!
[08:26] <larsu> seb128: since when is inhibiting idle the same as not showing notifications?
[08:26] <seb128> Laney, they apparently had their worst summer in a while, but weather turned to be good just when we arrived :-)
[08:26]  * larsu guesses this is what we did before?
[08:26] <Laney> oh wow
[08:27] <seb128> I'm unsure, seems like we disabled it when lock screen is on
[08:27] <hikiko> mm the bug doesn't appear at all :/ I ll use virtualbox
[08:27] <Laney> larsu: I guess it's an approximation for full screen
[08:27] <larsu> indeed
[08:28] <Laney> I didn't notice this was broken
[08:28] <Laney> yay for the death of IM clients!
[08:28] <larsu> :(
[08:28] <larsu> now we have custom notifications from firefox instead
[08:28] <seb128> yeah, unsure what dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited is for exactly
[08:29] <larsu> gnome shell doesn't seem to do this
[08:29] <seb128> maybe MacSlow remembers
[08:29] <larsu> tbh, I think we should probably throw this out completely
[08:29] <seb128> that would work for me as well
[08:29] <seb128> MacSlow, do you remember why we had the dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited logic (see https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538)
[08:30] <MacSlow> seb128, larsu: iirc that was because we wanted to avoid notifications showing up when e.g. the user is doing a fullscreen-presentation..
[08:31] <larsu> MacSlow: we should probably have a special inhibit flag for that
[08:31] <MacSlow> ... to avoid embarrasing moments when getting cozy IM-messages from your spouse/wife/husband/whatever...
[08:33] <MacSlow> larsu, but several upstream apps would then have to be patched too, if we introduce a new inhibit-mechanism
[08:34] <larsu> indeed...
[08:35] <MacSlow> larsu, I see another "grep of hell" in the future ;) at least for the package in main
[08:36] <MacSlow> packages
[08:36] <Laney> seems annoying
[08:36] <MacSlow> Laney, well... we have some experience in that
[08:37] <Laney> doing annoying development? :)
[08:38]  * larsu chuckles
[08:38] <MacSlow> Laney, no... just the "grep of hell"-part :)
[08:39] <Laney> larsu: what /does/ shell do?
[08:40] <larsu> Laney: trying to find out right now.....
[08:40] <Trevinho> hikiko: best checking with VMware, also you can build in host  and just copy the built libunityshell in guest
[08:42] <seb128> Laney, larsu, I think they use to have a "dnd" switch in the equivalent of their indicator-session which inhibit notifications
[08:42] <seb128> but that's a manual action
[08:42] <hikiko> true, that's what I ll do Trevinho
[08:42] <seb128> unsure if/what they do for the fullscreen presentation case
[08:46] <larsu> seb128: they don't seem to anymore... calling Inhibit(8) still let's me send notifications
[08:46] <larsu> Laney: ^
[08:47] <didrocks> on, some Internet…
[08:47] <didrocks> oh*
[08:47] <didrocks> (break time)
[08:47] <seb128> hey didrocks, how is the conf?
[08:48] <didrocks> seb128: the talks are a little bit basic… At least, it confirms my understanding where they want to go with it
[08:48] <didrocks> and how they try to convince web developers to use an object/element model system
[08:48] <didrocks> which is quite obvious for us to structure an app :)
[08:49] <didrocks> however, quite not impressed by their network connection
[08:57] <hikiko> https://i.imgur.com/ysUU76u.jpg wily blue screen of death  :p (I started unity in a broken vm)
[09:03] <Trevinho> O_o
[10:05] <larsu> seb128, Laney: I added a demo app at https://git.launchpad.net/geonames?h=master which is not built by default (because we don't want the package to depend on gtk)
[10:05] <larsu> would appreciate if you could break it for me
[10:06] <larsu> should be feature complete with the ubuntu-system-settings version (plus sorting by population, which I just added)
[10:06] <larsu> next on my list is to allow localized names as well, but that's tricky (and wouldn't be a regression)
[10:06] <larsu> Laney: shall I port system-settings, or do you want to?
[10:13] <Laney> larsu: I'm not that keen so if you are then go wild
[11:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien!
[11:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Would appreciate some advice on bug #1495097. Time to take a look?
[11:34] <larsu> there is no Swedish conspiracy
[11:50] <Laney> GunnarHj: docs team ping
[11:50] <Laney> GunnarHj: haven't had the default wallpaper yet, is that a problem for you?
[11:50] <Laney> supposed to be coming soon
[11:51] <Laney> also, hey, how's it going? :)
[11:52] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, I'm fine, thanks. How about you?
[11:52] <Laney> feeling a bit octopus like
[11:53] <ogra_> growing suckers ?
[11:54] <Laney> predicting the outcome of sporting tournaments
[11:54]  * Laney misses Paul
[11:55] <GunnarHj> Laney: No problem with the wallpaper; we don't use it in language specific screenshots, so we can fix the English screenshots after doc string freeze.
[11:56] <Laney> I'm guessing (but don't know) that it will be another tweak on the same concept
[11:56] <Laney> so maybe not even that noticable
[11:58] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[11:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: Is there some conference going on?
[11:58] <Laney> don't think so
[11:58] <Laney> why?
[11:59] <GunnarHj> Laney: Checked out the irc log for #ubuntu-desktop, and people started to talk at 04:56. Probably the time stamp is wrong then. ;)
[12:00] <Laney> you should grep for pitti's "good morning" over the last few years :)
[12:00] <GunnarHj> Yeah, but it wasn't just pitti...
[12:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[12:05] <seb128> GunnarHj, those timestamps are UTC ones, so it's almost 6am local time and the next line is one hour after that
[12:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I jumped at conclusion then. :)
[12:08] <GunnarHj> larsu: Just noticed your remark "no Swedish conspiracy". Guess I have to believe you. ;)
[12:17] <seb128> Trevinho, re your comment on the notify-osd change, cf channel backlog, it seems like it's a hack solution to not display notification when doing presentations and such (e.g assuming that presentation/view mode inhibit idle)
[13:46] <willcooke> didrocks, the script you mentioned in your email - is that to import in to Trello or to process bugs?
[13:49] <didrocks> willcooke: the one in my email is to import to Trello
[13:50] <didrocks> (and there is some other snippets as well on processing/syncing bugs email)
[13:50] <willcooke> cool, I will speak to Ted, thanks didrocks
[13:50] <didrocks> yw
[13:51] <didrocks> willcooke: mostly sure we had one for trello, (that was before the company mostly move to asana)
[13:57]  * Laney hacked the sponsorship report to give per-team reports
[13:57] <Laney> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ubuntu-desktop.html
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, great :-)
[14:01] <larsu> \o/
[14:01] <seb128> though a bit weird
[14:02] <seb128> why are things like exim and bcmwl and livecd-rootfs on our list?
[14:02] <seb128> we don't even have exim on the iso
[14:03] <Laney> Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in wily
[14:03] <Laney> * Reverse Recommends: +- subversion-tools |  * Supported-Development-Desktop seed
[14:04] <seb128> hum, k
[14:05] <Laney> we might want to clean up these supported lists
[14:05] <seb128> indeed
[14:06] <Laney> but for sponsoring we can probably handle a few weird things being on there
[14:06] <Laney> like that exim merge has already waited a while
[14:07] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[14:07] <seb128> yeah
[14:08] <seb128> I tend to look at everything in the queue when I sponsor, often there are easy sync requests or typo fixes or small patches for things that don't belong to any important set
[14:08] <seb128> but I guess some people would prefer keeping a closer eye on the desktop subset
[14:08] <Laney> sort of hoping that I can get into a habit of checking this set more regularly
[14:08] <Laney> and patch pilot everything in the queue once a month
[14:08] <seb128> that would be good
[14:09]  * Laney wonders about indicator-sponsoring ;-)
[14:12] <larsu> uh oh
[14:12] <larsu> is Laney tedg in disguise?
[14:12] <Laney> heheh
[14:13] <tedg> larsu: We often get confused.
[14:14] <tedg> But please ping charles about indicator reviews.
[14:15] <seb128> tedg, I though people confused you with Ken usually; not Charles? ;-)
[14:16] <tedg> seb128: I tried to get business cards with "The better looking kenvandine" on them, but eh, they said it was too long.
[14:16] <seb128> lol
[14:16] <kenvandine> lol
[14:21]  * larsu lokks puzzled
[14:21] <larsu> *looks
[14:44] <GunnarHj> seb128: Did you notice my request for advice on bug #1495097?
[14:44] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, sorry, I was on my way to lunch and forgot to look at it once I was back
[14:44] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Time now?
[14:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, looking
[14:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, seems fine to update to 1.3.3 as a SRU, maybe not taking the vivid version though, we try to minimize the delta when doing SRUs for easier reviews
[14:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, hum, 1.3.3 has features though
[14:46] <seb128> "OpenDocument (ODF and Flat ODF) support"
[14:47] <seb128> unsure if the SRU team would be happy with that
[14:47] <seb128> it might be better to backport the bugfixes commits
[14:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: The problem is that we have been trying that way for a few days, and haven't succeeded (at least not yet).
[14:48] <seb128> why? you didn't figure out which commits fix the issue?
[14:48] <seb128> is there a vcs for hunspell?
[14:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: We found which commits claims to fix the issue, but backporting them only partially addresses the problem.
[14:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: So it's complex.
[14:51] <GunnarHj> seb128: The PPA was made for the purpose.
[14:52] <seb128> GunnarHj, you can try to make a debdiff of the 1.3.2 -> 1.3.3 update and ping the SRU team for opinions to see if they consider that acceptable as a SRU
[14:52] <seb128> if they don't then you need to do more work figuring out what to backport
[14:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. That diff will contain a lot of other stuff, though...
[14:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, which is why the SRU team might reject the idea to do that update
[14:53] <willcooke> hikiko, I asked tedg and he pointed me to robru
[14:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'll do as you suggest. Thanks!
[14:56] <seb128> GunnarHj, yw!
[15:00] <hikiko> willcooke, at least we know that someone has the script already :D less work for us!
[15:01] <willcooke> hikiko, :)
[15:01] <hallyn> 'unity-control-center network' in uptodate wily says 'The system network services are not compatible with this version" - known inprogress bug?
[15:02] <hikiko> hallyn, I just installed wily today, wait a sec, I ll see if I can reproduce it
[15:06] <hikiko> hallyn, I got the same message :)
[15:06] <hikiko> (fresh installation, default settings)
[15:07] <seb128> hallyn, not known until now and not in progress
[15:07] <seb128> I guess a sideeffect of nm 1.0
[15:07] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ do you know about it?
[15:07] <hallyn> ok, thx. combined with not being able to run unity (for the net indicator) and wpa_supplicant+dhclient not updating resolvconf correctly, it's starting to feel like linux-from-scratch here :)
[15:07]  * Sweet5hark lurks around in backlog.
[15:07] <hallyn> thanks hikiko
[15:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:08] <cyphermox> unity-control-center network?
[15:08] <Sweet5hark> seb128: welcome back from vacation, btw! ;)
[15:08] <cyphermox> use nm-connection-editor
[15:08] <seb128> cyphermox, unity-control-center is our gnome-control-center fork
[15:08] <cyphermox> yes, I knew that :)
[15:09] <cyphermox> I'm just saying I hadn't heard of that issue
[15:09] <seb128> k
[15:09] <cyphermox> it's got to be checking versions
[15:09] <seb128> do you have some cycle to have a lot?
[15:09] <seb128> cyphermox, I guess something like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f5
[15:09] <seb128> let me try that
[15:09] <cyphermox> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f5
[15:09] <cyphermox> hah
[15:10] <cyphermox> yes, we get to the same thing
[15:10] <seb128> hallyn, want to report a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+filebug ?
[15:10] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[15:10] <Laney> that's lucky
[15:10] <Laney> looks like the panel got refactored since
[15:10] <seb128> unsure it applies
[15:10] <seb128> so wait for lucky comments :p
[15:14] <qengho> Do any of you have a x86 32/64bit CPU that has no sse instruction set? Some kinds of AMD CPU or the like?
[15:14] <qengho> $ grep " sse " /proc/cpuinfo
[15:18] <qengho> ^ if that says anything, your CPU is too good for my purposes.
[15:19] <willcooke> qengho,checking.  Maybe a virtual machine can help?
[15:21] <qengho> willcooke: True, it could give me a positive result but I wouldn't trust a negative result.
[15:21] <willcooke> qengho, I assume you need a desktop as well?
[15:22] <willcooke> meh, even my VMs say they support sse
[15:23] <qengho> willcooke: Yes, or fake x server. I need to know if Chromium is really avoiding SSE instructions if the CPU doesn't support it.
[15:24] <willcooke> qengho, is ARM any use?
[15:24] <willcooke> expect not
[15:24] <qengho> willcooke: no.
[15:29]  * willcooke feels a disturbance in the force
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <hikiko> meeting time?
[15:30] <desrt> bzzt
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-09-15
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 15 15:30:33 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks (out), fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <desrt> o/
[15:30] <larsu> o\
[15:31] <Trevinho> o/
[15:31] <hikiko> /o\
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <qengho> o--
[15:31] <hikiko> -O0
[15:31] <desrt> -ggdb3 ?
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> .
[15:32] <willcooke> Let's go...
[15:32]  * larsu stays
[15:32] <hallyn> seb128: bug 1496028 , thx
[15:32] <willcooke> If you are not around when it's your go please shout and I will come back to you at the end
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <andyrock> I spent this week still trying to fix the resize bug on vm
[15:33] <andyrock> I'm kind of blocked
[15:33] <andyrock> so I asked help to hikiko
[15:34] <andyrock> she knows more about compiz
[15:34] <andyrock> we have workaround to fix the problem
[15:34] <andyrock> but would be nice to have a proper fix
[15:35] <andyrock> eof
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> not much, continuing work on gtk popup menu placement... fixing the code to make sure we can properly support combo boxes...
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> got the inotify stuff into the glib tree as a patch against the backend... basic file monitoring is working, but i need to improve support for missing files, symlinks, etc.
[15:36] <desrt> i also have nothing else at all to say about anything else
[15:36] <desrt> eof.
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks desrt.  Thank you for working over the weekend for the inotify stuff
[15:37] <desrt> np.  still lots of work to do there unfortunately
[15:37] <desrt> i found that my approach has a problem :(
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> oops, sorry desrt
[15:37] <desrt> no worries.  does not need to be discussed here.
[15:37] <willcooke> kk
[15:37] <willcooke> dgadomski, how goes?
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> it's gonna be quick again - there were no new desktop issues reported, so nothing to share this time.
[15:38] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:38] <willcooke> \o/
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:38] <FJKong> continue fixing bugs on pinyin search
[15:39] <FJKong> need to search how to display icon
[15:39] <FJKong> new feature requirement for andvanced search
[15:39] <FJKong> eof
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <willcooke> probably out
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <hikiko> just came back from holidays so that's what I did yesterday and today...: finished those tutorials, and I am looking at bug #1485727 I think the problem is that we have gl calls called by a signal handler so we don't know what the opengl context is when thes calls run (+we have different processes at that time)
[15:43] <hikiko> a change of mine revealed this bug but it was necessary I can't revert it
[15:43] <hikiko> (that's the bug andyrock mentioned)
[15:43] <hikiko> eof
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:43] <willcooke> good work on the blog posts
[15:43] <willcooke> and very cool video
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:45] <Laney> • Help upload indicator-datetime for timedated fixes
[15:45] <Laney> • Review/upload gnome-terminal from Trevinho to improve scrollbars
[15:45] <Laney> • Make it so you can disable whoopsie on Ubuntu phones (fix the "don't send crash reports" setting)
[15:45] <Laney> • Help with uploading a new gtk to the "overlay" for phone, move off old Mir
[15:45] <Laney> • Work on a private test for a new version of the Ubuntu font
[15:45] <Laney> • Update: gdk-pixbuf
[15:45] <Laney> • Work with gstreamer upstream on some patches to fix conflicting typedefs with gl (not gles) disabled, now fixed
[15:45] <Laney> • Small hacking on the sponsor queue to generate per-team reports
[15:45] <Laney> • Poke a bit at glib, there's a race/timing issue in GDateTime, file upstream
[15:45] <Laney> • Some release team reviews
[15:45] <Laney> ☞
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:46] <larsu> - finished up datetime stuff (thanks again Laney)
[15:47] <larsu> - made a library for looking up city names, becasue city selections on phone and desktop are really bad
[15:47] <larsu> (looked through all bugs I could find to see what we need)
[15:47] <larsu> project is up, testing appreciated
[15:47] <larsu> - started integrating that into u-c-c, u-s-s is up next
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[15:47] <seb128> larsu \o/
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:47] <seb128> thanks for working on the city selection
[15:47] <seb128> that was needed :-)
[15:48] <Laney> really bad hurts my feelings :(
[15:48] <larsu> :)
[15:48] <willcooke> yes, huge usability improvement - thanks
[15:48]  * Trevinho agrees
[15:48] <larsu> Laney: "bad" was the backend you used - not your fault
[15:48] <qengho> Is UTC an option? The geographic list bothers me elsewhere.
[15:49] <larsu> qengho: elsewhere?
[15:49] <larsu> qengho: no, you can only select cities
[15:49] <qengho> That Other Phone OS.
[15:49] <larsu> ah. take it up with mpt :)
[15:49]  * larsu thinks we should only accept places in an entry labelled "location"
[15:50] <willcooke> let's take this bit of the discussion up after the meeting
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:50] <qengho> * chromium 45.0.2454.85 bugs. Not released yet.
[15:50] <qengho> ** sse instruction-set detection and SIGILLs.
[15:50] <qengho> ** l10n package might be broken. staging-ppa user complained. can't reproduce yet.
[15:50] <qengho> * bug, Cr can't run in guest account. kernel patch dependencies should have landed everywhere in May.
[15:50] <qengho> EOF
[15:50]  * Laney feels better
[15:51] <willcooke> Can people check their old machines to help test the SSE issue
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:51] <qengho> Old AMDs?
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:51] <seb128> was on holidays, only back since yesterday
[15:51] <seb128> • spent most of the day catching up with backlog
[15:51] <seb128> • landed indicator fixes made during the london week (to start the correct settings binary under unity8 desktop sessions)
[15:51] <seb128> • uploaded some other pending desktop fixes as well (notify-osd, indicator-session)
[15:51] <seb128> • tested a libusermetrics bugfix and found an issue, discussed extra changes required
[15:51] <seb128> • started looking at u-c-c needed some changes to be compatible with n-m 1
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[15:52] <larsu> day 5?
[15:52] <seb128> .5
[15:52] <seb128> yesterday and today
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - accompanied/finished LibrOffice 5.0.1/wily upload (thanks cyphermox)
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - tested using system libetonyek, libwps, libcmis, cppunit: looking good
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - security topics
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - conference preparations: travel, slides, code
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - next up: 5.0.2.2 FFE, expected to be tagged upstream tomorrow
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:53] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:53] <willcooke> * Finall found and fixed the accessibility bug to do with quicklist menu items not being spoken by Orca.
[15:53] <willcooke> * Found and fixed a similar bug with the shutdown/restart/logout buttons.
[15:53] <willcooke> * Discussions with upstrea about Orca gsettings implementation details.
[15:53] <willcooke> * Started looking at into packaging PulseAudio 7 and putting it in a PPA for testing. It would be nice to land this early for 16.04
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Several fixes done on the load balancing of cups-browsed, especially jobs are not waiting on the servers but on the client, avoiding loss on server failure or removal and better distribution of the work load. We chack also if the remote queues are actually accepting jobs, let AppArmor allow cups-browsed to create files for default printer management and load balancing. These and more fixes are released in cups-filters 1.0.76 now
[15:53] <tkamppeter> and included in Wily.
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - cups: Backported infinite loop fix for the USB backend.
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: More testing.
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:54] <willcooke> tkamppeter, did you parcel arrive?
[15:55] <tkamppeter> willcooke, not yet, tracking told on 09/09 that it is going to Curitiba, then nothin and today it said that it has arrived in Curitiba, from there it should somehow get to here.
[15:56] <willcooke> tkamppeter, ack.  thanks
[15:56] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:56] <Trevinho> First Meeting with Nudt (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Kylin/Meeting/2015/20150910)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Landed new scrollbar theming and fixes for gnome-terminal
[15:56] <Trevinho> Fixed FTTB in libunity
[15:56] <Trevinho> Even more autopilot-legacy fixes
[15:56] <Trevinho> Done landing for new unity, ubuntu-themes, compiz, autopilot and libunity (took more than expected due to regressions)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Some updates to the unity7 howto build post (https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Nux window compositor event handling fixes (needed to get new dash scrollbars working)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Prepared a backport branch for trusty SRU on a security but of unity-settings-daemon (needs seb128 ack)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Usual reviews
[15:56] <Trevinho> 
[15:56] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:56] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:57] <willcooke> - Worked on XMir issues with duflu
[15:57] <willcooke> - Released simple-scan 3.17.92
[15:57] <willcooke> - Stable package updates
[15:57] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry I was on vac, I can look at your security change this week if you remind me the url
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[15:57] <Trevinho> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-settings-daemon/automount-monitor-lockscreen-trusty (it's just a backport, same code already in wily)
[15:57] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[15:58] <willcooke> Sprint - still no news.  Considering a move of location and/or date to see if we finalise everything.  More news as I get it.
[15:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, did you apply for DMB again? you said you would do after holidays
[15:58] <mdeslaur> Trevinho, seb128: I am pushing out unity-settings-daemon security updates tomorrow
[15:58] <mpt> qengho, I specced that “UTC” should be an unlisted but typeable option for the PC settings, but I never did the same for the phone settings. Maybe I should. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#PC>
[15:58] <seb128> mdeslaur, oh, great, thanks
[15:58] <mdeslaur> Trevinho, seb128: so please don't do anything with that merge request, I'm handling it in the usual security update way
[15:58] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: ah, fair enough. I was considering a landing at this point (as it was there for long time ayway :))
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> seb128: not yet. looked and found a sponsor/reviewer from the DMB for the LibreOffice package though. (cyphermox this time).
[15:59] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: thanks for fixing that! :)
[15:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, less work, +1 from me!
[15:59] <Trevinho> np ;)
[16:00] <mdeslaur> hehe
[16:00] <willcooke> ok, I think we're there.
[16:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: he wondered how I am neither drunk nor in hospital after seeing the nitty-gritty details of the package.
[16:00] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 15 16:00:28 2015 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-09-15-15.30.moin.txt
[16:00] <mdeslaur> seb128: I'll trade you for finding someone to review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mdeslaur/indicator-power/fix-priorities
[16:00] <seb128> willcooke, if we move the sprint maybe ask everyone what weeks they are available or not (or check calendar if it has the info)
[16:00] <willcooke> seb128, of course
[16:02] <Laney> That would be annoying
[16:02] <Laney> I've been turning down plans for that week
[16:04] <willcooke> Laney, likewise
[16:04] <willcooke> it's a last resort
[16:05] <seb128> willcooke, imho better to keep the week, if locations don't work and we have to do it in London let's do that?
[16:06] <willcooke> seb128, yeah I think that's the best option
[16:06] <willcooke> clan is working on it right now
[16:06] <seb128> k
[16:06] <Trevinho> well, but Prague.... <3
[16:07] <Trevinho> Anyway, it's fine everywhere for me
[16:08] <larsu> willcooke: sorry to be so blunt, but wtf is going on? We have a sprint every October and yet time/date is still up in the air...
[16:08] <larsu> it's very hard to make any plans this way
[16:08] <Sweet5hark> oh, guys, I forgot the big news for today ....
[16:08] <willcooke> larsu, I'll be happy to discuss off line
[16:08] <larsu> *time/place, sorry
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> Italian military switches 150.000 desktops to LibreOffice and ODF: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/italian-military-switch-libreoffice-and-odf
[16:10] <Laney> time to commit a patch that changes all documents to "we stand for peace, the military is disbanded"
[16:10]  * Trevinho proud of his army (for the first time ever)
[16:10]  * Trevinho proud of his army (for the first time ever)
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: heh
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: yeah, thats all kinds of awesome.
[16:12] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: all kudos to the LibreItalia team. They are very awesome.
[16:15] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark: yeah, I meet them from time to time, they're really cool guys!
[16:17] <larsu> mpt: why UTC but not GMT or PDT?
[16:18] <larsu> because otherwise one could't select a timezone without daylight savings time?
[17:06] <seb128> Laney, unsure if you get u-c-c mps, you mentioned cases in the past where you didn't receive emails about those, so in case, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/nm1/+merge/271157
[17:06] <seb128> cyphermox, ^
[17:07] <seb128> that fixes the buggy check and make the panel work without complaining
[17:07] <Laney> seb128: will look tomorrow if nobody else does, thanks!
[17:07] <Laney> and no I don't but at least they should come up on that sponsor page now
[17:07] <seb128> Laney, thanks, enjoy your evening!
[17:07] <seb128> climbing night for you?
[17:07]  * seb128 has tennis tonight
[17:07] <cyphermox> approved.
[17:07] <seb128> quite wet and windy outside though
[17:07] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[17:08] <cyphermox> do I should do the merge too, or is that all you need?
[17:09] <Laney> no climbing, did that the last two days
[17:09] <cyphermox> oh, is this stuff that has to go through silos?
[17:09] <Laney> MGS V → pub quiz
[17:09] <Laney> it is a silofest
[17:10]  * cyphermox fixes ubiquity instead
[17:10] <Laney> you could practice your CI train skills
[17:10] <cyphermox> well, technically I probably should be a trainguard this week or something, so it's possibly better if others do it
[17:10] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm doing a landing, already in a silp
[17:10] <seb128> silo
[17:11] <cyphermox> ok
[17:11] <seb128> Laney, good luck for the quiz ;-)
[17:11] <didrocks> enjoy Laney ;)
[17:11] <Laney> late night didrocks
[23:19] <sethj> well
[23:20] <sethj> I was going to help with the bug scrub, but the ubiquity crash bug prevents me from installing Wily so..