[03:28] Are people using LTS versions (like I am)? [12:04] Hi everyone [12:08] hello [16:06] hey guys, I asked this in the main channel but didn't get a response, hope its okay to ask here too? [16:06] which is more active/well-supported and closest to regular ubuntu: Xubuntu or Ubuntu MATE? I don't need very lightweight. I tried to tweak Unity but have given up, main reason being the launcher. Xubuntu and Ubuntu MATE look very similar to me at the moment. [16:07] I know this is a very broad question and reliant on taste/preference/opinion, but for a novice user coming from Windows, any comments? [16:25] I think both are community supported only [16:35] yeah I accept that it won't be as well supported as stock ubuntu [16:35] I'm loving MATE right now, so good [16:35] but please, if anyone has any comments - I'd love to hear [18:38] i found xubuntu lacks some sane defaults for a laptop, was a bit odd to me [19:17] daftykins: ok cool thanks, any other comments/suggestions? [19:23] they're probably all deficient in one way or another :> [19:36] daftykins: good answer, that I am beginning to learn the hard way xD [19:37] i find that it's all well and good having configurability, but when you stray too far from the norms you're just giving yourself a headache to support a lot of the time [19:37] probably a good idea I continue to use it in a VM, until I'm really comfortable [19:38] that is the exact issue I'm tackling with, I gave up on unity and its lack of a decent launcher, but I'm starting to think if its not a better idea in my case to just deal with it, and receive the stability of the regular unity ubuntu [19:39] im far from a sysadmin or a programmer [19:39] im a windows 7 GUI kiddie [19:41] what do you use personally? and what skill level are you? [19:59] i use Windows :) i use Linux distros for web servers and VMs, but don't believe it's worth playing with Linux much given i do desktop support for folk tied to Windows [20:01] well thats.... encouraging, LOL [20:02] hehe [20:03] if i used a Linux desktop i'd not be able to support my clients properly. [20:04] yeah I understand, one can hope it continues to grow in support i suppose [20:09] it's funny how many of them are so obsessed with having damn MS Office really :P [20:09] or specifically, Outlook [20:10] tried having one person use google mail instead, but nope they couldn't handle it [20:10] (not the brightest of clients) [21:02] haha [21:02] seen that a lot too [21:03] and they want their simple password for Everything [21:06] you have any idea how to keep a Plank dock above the Main panel/taskbar [21:07] getting a bit too close to support questions now really [21:07] and i'm no use as i don't use desktop [21:08] ah yes, my mistake [21:08] ok np