[03:28] <jonnymilano> Are people using LTS versions (like I am)?
[12:04] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:08] <emnz> hello
[16:06] <emnz> hey guys, I asked this in the main channel but didn't get a response, hope its okay to ask here too?
[16:06] <emnz> which is more active/well-supported and closest to regular ubuntu: Xubuntu or Ubuntu MATE? I don't need very lightweight. I tried to tweak Unity but have given up, main reason being the launcher. Xubuntu and Ubuntu MATE look very similar to me at the moment.
[16:07] <emnz> I know this is a very broad question and reliant on taste/preference/opinion, but for a novice user coming from Windows, any comments?
[16:25] <TJ-> I think both are community supported only
[16:35] <emnz> yeah I accept that it won't be as well supported as stock ubuntu
[16:35] <emnz> I'm loving MATE right now, so good
[16:35] <emnz> but please, if anyone has any comments - I'd love to hear
[18:38] <daftykins> i found xubuntu lacks some sane defaults for a laptop, was a bit odd to me
[19:17] <emnz> daftykins: ok cool thanks, any other comments/suggestions?
[19:23] <daftykins> they're probably all deficient in one way or another :>
[19:36] <emnz> daftykins: good answer, that I am beginning to learn the hard way xD
[19:37] <daftykins> i find that it's all well and good having configurability, but when you stray too far from the norms you're just giving yourself a headache to support a lot of the time
[19:37] <emnz> probably a good idea I continue to use it in a VM, until I'm really comfortable
[19:38] <emnz> that is the exact issue I'm tackling with, I gave up on unity and its lack of a decent launcher, but I'm starting to think if its not a better idea in my case to just deal with it, and receive the stability of the regular unity ubuntu
[19:39] <emnz> im far from a sysadmin or a programmer
[19:39] <emnz> im a windows 7 GUI kiddie
[19:41] <emnz> what do you use personally? and what skill level are you?
[19:59] <daftykins> i use Windows :) i use Linux distros for web servers and VMs, but don't believe it's worth playing with Linux much given i do desktop support for folk tied to Windows
[20:01] <emnz> well thats.... encouraging, LOL
[20:02] <daftykins> hehe
[20:03] <daftykins> if i used a Linux desktop i'd not be able to support my clients properly.
[20:04] <emnz> yeah I understand, one can hope it continues to grow in support i suppose
[20:09] <daftykins> it's funny how many of them are so obsessed with having damn MS Office really :P
[20:09] <daftykins> or specifically, Outlook
[20:10] <daftykins> tried having one person use google mail instead, but nope they couldn't handle it
[20:10] <daftykins> (not the brightest of clients)
[21:02] <emnz> haha
[21:02] <emnz> seen that a lot too
[21:03] <emnz> and they want their simple password for Everything
[21:06] <emnz> you have any idea how to keep a Plank dock above the Main panel/taskbar
[21:07] <daftykins> getting a bit too close to support questions now really
[21:07] <daftykins> and i'm no use as i don't use desktop
[21:08] <emnz> ah yes, my mistake
[21:08] <emnz> ok np