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LeHappyFroghi all!15:01
LeHappyFrog!start15:01
balloonshello everyone!15:01
dpmhey all15:01
kgunnhi guys15:01
dpmabout to start in a minute15:01
LeHappyFrogi have countless QUESTIONS :prefix:15:02
LeHappyFrogLive stream is starting soon15:03
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: what is the status of non intel drivers for mir/unity8? i have a really bad time running unity8 on amd/nvidia15:04
greybackstream working15:04
la_juyisyeah!15:05
dpmthanks LeHappyFrog, we'll take your question next :)15:05
dpmthanks for confirming the stream works15:06
theBestQUESTION: How will a ubuntu store look/work with all the snapy apps in it for different devices like phone, desktop, mycroft, robots, fridges...15:06
LeHappyFrog:D works for me15:06
LeHappyFrogQUESTION is possible to develop apps for ubuntu phone on other ubuntu based distros like Ubuntu MATE, lubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc15:08
pavakpaulQUESTION: Raspberry Pi got official touchscreen display. What about Ubuntu touch support for Raspberry Pi 2? It'd be great I think.15:09
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: how do i install ubuntu snappy personal on a spare partition? the image doesn't appear to have an installer15:11
dholbachQUESTION: Can you maybe talk a bit about testing and QA of Mir and Unity8 and how it changed over time and how good things are working nowadays?15:12
dshimerQUESTION: Can you explain the timeline and steps that will eventually give me a stable Unity 8 based desktop on which I can use all my current programs. I have been committed to always running the default desktop 6 month releases, how will my life evolve over the next few years?15:13
aresminosQUESTION: will you consider to officialy support ubuntu touch on Nexus 5 in the future since Nexus 4 is getting pretty old?15:13
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: how one install and test Unity8?15:14
concerned_userQuestion : Hello, I'd like to ask if you guys are developing ubuntu touch for Samsung smart phones? Right now it is available in very limited devices and think Ubuntu can and have a fair chance to compete with Cyanogen on alternate Operating System on smart phones market. Thank you.15:15
mrbrownstone3gQUESTION:  Is there still work ongoing to add libinput support to mir.15:15
jnxdQUESTION: Any news on the work on getting proxy and WPA(2) Enterprise working with ubuntu touch? As of now, I am only able to access net on the browser and webviews, and that too after much cli-foo.15:17
dpmthanks everyone for the great questions!15:17
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: lots of games are made in SDL/SDL2. are there plans to help those devs to easily port the games to ubuntu phone? maybe official SDL templates in SDK?15:19
theBestQUESTION: How is the work with the design team? Do you only code what they give you or do you code/design something for yourselfe and than show the design team what you came up with?15:21
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: any plans for ubuntu game center? i probably has the best score in Falldown game but nobody can see it :(. maybe a simple api so you can send scores using ubuntu one15:23
LeHappyFrogon desktop :D15:24
bregmaapt-get install unity8-desktop-session-mir15:25
LeHappyFrog^^ ok thanks, on intel only, right?15:25
anpokLeHappyFrog: on mesa based graphics drivers15:26
LeHappyFrogbut thanks :P15:26
LeHappyFrogi can challange you on that :D15:26
davidcalle---> http://askubuntu.com/questions/447891/how-to-install-unity-815:26
dpmhttp://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/15:26
anpokLeHappyFrog: i.e. kvm-qxl, current radeons or amd apus, and most new nvidias should work15:26
peter-bittnerQUESTION: What percentage of Canonical is working / are focused on Ubuntu Touch? Just to give us a feeling...15:27
LeHappyFrogshould :P15:27
goddardwill ubuntu touch work with Nexus 6 CDMA ever?  Was that answered?15:28
mhall119goddard: IIRC, there was some copyright or licensing issues around CDMA, plus it's a deprecated technology, so it's probably not going to be worth the effort15:29
nik90jnxd: Pretty sure WPA(2) Entreprise support landed with OTA-5. I am able to connect to eduroam which uses WPA2 Entreprise.15:29
jnxdWPA2 enterprise needs a username and password rather than just a passkey15:30
jnxdThe bug for proxy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/145229115:30
goddardmhall119: will ubuntu touch work with the Nexus 6 then?  It does have the ability to use GSM networks as well.15:30
theBestCould also connect to eduroam but only once. If I now put in the passwort it does not work anymore. Anoyone knows why?15:30
nik90jnxd: ok, so? You can still enter the username and password through the UI.15:31
mhall119goddard: if somebody ports it, sure, that's how the Nexus 5 got Ubuntu15:31
ahayzennik90, eduroam \o/15:31
davidcallere: WPA2, this bug implies it's been released https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/124198615:31
bregmaSDL does not support GL|ES so it may never be ported to the phone:  SDL2 has a native Mir port so it should be easy15:31
nik90ahayzen: \o15:31
jnxdnik90: I cannot. I have to edit te file in etc/Net.../sys.../<Wifi_Name>15:31
mhall119LeHappyFrog: there are several SDL-based games for the phone in the store already15:32
ahayzenand yeah i've been using eduroam on my device all week, has a few quirks but it works, and you have to enter a username and password for that15:32
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: is there any support for gamepads in qml? i want to code a simple qml apps that uses the gamepad in qml15:32
LeHappyFrogmhall119: yes but there is no official template15:32
mhall119LeHappyFrog: ah, I see what you're saying, file a wish-list bug against lp:ubuntu-sdk to create one15:33
goddardmhall119: i am no expert on phones but i heard on xda it is a problem with lollipop?15:33
LeHappyFrogi will :D thanks michael :P15:33
mhall119goddard: could be, I don't think we're using the latest Android kernel for our images, and the Nexus 6 probably requires it15:33
nik90jnxd: no idea why..When I first connected with my university eduroam wifi, it prompted me for username, password and other details necessary to connect to it via WPA 2 Entreprise.15:34
nik90jnxd: now that you know that WPA 2 Entreprise support landed, it is best to report a bug for your case.15:34
nik90but support in the UI has definitely landed for a long time.15:34
goddardmhall119: damn wish some one knew :D15:35
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: i've seen so many people running ubuntu/unity7 on surface, nvidia shield, random chinese intel tables, when will they be able to run unity8 on them15:36
jnxdnik90: I'll have to check the reproducibility. could just be that it was already saved and so it didn't ask me15:36
nik90jnxd: I did just notice now that I cannot edit the username of the connection that I already have saved. The only way is to forget the network and start from scratch.15:37
davidcalleQtGamepad -> QML (french) https://guillaumebelz.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/qt-gamepad-utilisation-du-gamepad-en-qml/15:37
LeHappyFrogi love le french :D thanks15:37
ampQUESTION:  How is it different to run legacy X11 apps on X11/Unity7 and running them on (X)Mir/Unity8, security wise? How are the apps isolated? How do you compare the protection level from proprietary apps? (For example apps spying on my personal data from filesystem/other apps/etc. on X11/Unity7 and Mir/Unity8)?15:37
davidcalleLe QtGamepad :)15:38
jnxdnik90: I'm more concerned with the proxy trouble. WPA2 Ent. is one time only, but I'll have to change proxy often if I get a data plan or use somewhere else's wifi15:38
nik90jnxd: pretty sure proxy support hasn't landed afaik. so :/15:38
LeHappyFrog:)) davidcalle15:38
jnxdnik90: you can't change the personal one's passkey too. try making a hotspot on your PC.15:39
nik90jnxd: true. I suspect editing network connections UI needs to be implemented.15:40
bregmaamp, legacy apps on Unity8 are isolated by running confined in a container with separate XMir instances for each application and apparmor guarding other infrastructure15:41
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: any plans for a snappy based x86 tablet (that can run steam). basically i want a tablet that i can use as a gaming console with a gamepad on bluetooth. how well does xmir performs? like running dota215:41
sumanhallo15:43
davidcalleLeHappyFrog, actually, dota2 doesn't need xmir, it can run natively on mir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAWVFAIaleQ :)15:43
bregmaLeHappyFrog, our tests show DOTA2 runs just great on XMir on x86 using a regular desktop15:43
peter-bittnerQUESTION: Could we have an on-air session with the Ubuntu design team? To help better understand the design decisions and the roadmap we should expect.15:43
davidcallebregma, oh, was it xmir in the video ? ^15:43
LeHappyFroguuu nice :D15:44
anpoksdl2 on mir15:44
bregmadavidcalle, no, it was Mir, but there are issues running Steam without XMir15:44
davidcallebregma, oh, right15:44
bregmathe Steam client itself15:44
LeHappyFrogQUESTION: is it possible to copy paste from xmir to a qml app?15:44
LeHappyFrogthis is probably the best ubuntuonair video :))15:45
dpmpeter-bittner, good idea, we'll note it down as our next guest suggestions15:47
ampQUESTION:  How is it different to run legacy X11 apps on X11/Unity7 and running them on (X)Mir/Unity8, security wise? How are the apps isolated? How do you compare the protection level from proprietary apps? (For example apps spying on my personal data from filesystem/other apps/etc. on X11/Unity7 and Mir/Unity8)?15:48
nik90LeHappyFrog: Dota 2 is based on Source 2 which will support Vulkan API which in turn *should* well in Wayland/Mir.15:51
LeHappyFrogthanks! :D15:52
LeHappyFrogplease invite Kevin Gunn more often :D15:53
dpm:-)15:53
dpmwe'll do :)15:53
LeHappyFroghe's pretty cool :D all ubuntu devs are ;D15:53
LeHappyFrogbut ogra is the best15:53
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kgunnyes ogra is undeniably the best ;)15:54
LeHappyFrog:P15:55
popeyhaha15:55
jnxdQUESTION: In one of the earlier episodes, there was a mention of someone providing theme suggestions for ub. phone. Can you recall where I can find that?15:56
LeHappyFrogif you encounter bugs, i think it's safe to just blame popey15:56
popeyso they say15:56
LeHappyFrog:d15:56
user20Question Is there any image for the desktop with unity 8 available for testing, which is newer than May 2015?15:56
bregmauser20, no, the desktop-next images was discontinued, and the Ubuntu Personal is not yet ready15:57
user20ok thanks15:58
davidcalleuser20, no image, but a package: http://askubuntu.com/questions/447891/how-to-install-unity-815:58
user20ok then I will test that, thanks16:00
ThibautQUESTION: Will there be a new set of desktop widgets for convergent apps?16:01
mhall119Thibaut: they are in the works, just starting to land16:02
nik90Thibaut: desktop widgets?16:02
mhall119Thibaut: such as https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/08/10/adaptive-page-layouts/16:02
ThibautYes desktop widgets16:02
Thibautno16:02
Thibautwidgets for an app, like a button or drop-down16:03
mhall119Thibaut: right, adaptive page layouts are layout components for desktop apps, buttons should be the same, drop-downs are being re-designed for desktop use too16:03
mhall119menu widgets are also being worked on16:03
nik90Thibaut: at the moment, the swipe delete actions convert to a right-click menu for list items.16:04
mhall119all of the existing components are being reviewed for desktop usecases16:04
nik90that work is definitely being worked on at the moment.16:04
Thibautwhat about the header-bar?16:04
mhall119Thibaut: see the link I posted, it shows a little of that16:04
nik90well header-bar works nicely with the adaptivepagelayout that mhall119 linked16:04
nik90apps still don't have traditional menus16:05
mhall119there are more designs for handling header actions in a desktop environment too16:05
nik90but that's requires deeper support from the platform.16:05
mhall119Thibaut: remember that the goal is same-code, same-widgets, every-device, so there won't be a separate set of widgets for the desktop16:05
dpmthanks everyone!16:05
ThibautYes and thats why I did wonder when the desktop version of widgets land16:06
Thibautthx for the info16:07
davidcalleThibaut, there is going to be adaptative widgets, eg. list items you slide left and right on the phone for options, will be replaced by right clicks options on desktop.16:07
davidcalleThibaut, look for the ubuntu-ui-toolkit project on Launchpad, there is a "staging" PPA that allows you to follow it quite closely (usung Ubuntu.Components 1.3 in QML)16:08
davidcalleusing*16:08
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fahimwhen ubuntu phone will be released in Asian country like Bangladesh?19:04

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