[00:58] <jpastore> old_benz: you raise some itneresting points. I meant secure as in I'm not worried about my physical security and I will maintain possesion of my phone and someone can't remotely install malware like those FBI drones
[01:21] <old_benz2> jpastore: pure speculation, in my opinion, separating the stack driving the firmware is a promising security feature.  On the other hand, owning the hardware is owning the hardware (ie. give the FBI s…
[01:21] <old_benz2> …ome credit, they can probably patch any phone and OS combination).  You then have to factor in the code itself, I assume Ubuntu Touch has a fair amount of new features, that means bugs, which in turn …
[01:21] <old_benz2> …means possible security vulnerabilities.
[01:22] <old_benz2> I don't think there's such a thing as a secure phone, at least not for any civilians
[01:23] <old_benz2> I run CyanogenMod without Google, but I don't review any code nor do I even (usually) compile it
[04:32] <jnxd> hello, anyone got the OTA6 on BQ aquaris e5?
[04:36] <Stanley00> jnxd: I think it's in the wild for weeks?
[04:36] <jnxd> Stanley00: dunno why, but I only got upto rc5
[04:37] <Stanley00> jnxd: did you set your phone to writable?
[04:38] <jnxd> Stanley00: yes, but I changed it back
[04:38] <jnxd> as was expected to work
[04:38] <Stanley00> jnxd: https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en/vegetahd/ looks like version 5 is latest release for bq e5 now :3
[04:39] <jnxd> Stanley00: aha!
[04:40] <jnxd> that's the date where the press started going halellujah over OTA6, so I guess that's it.
[04:44] <jnxd> Stanley00: dunno if you rememebr it, but a few days ago, we'd talked of getting wifi and proxy to work. So yesterday I finally edited all the files as on the posts, and got net working on the browser.
[04:45] <jnxd> sadly that's where it seems to end. seems like No app works except the ones using the webview.
[05:17] <Stanley00> jnxd: sorry, I got away for a while. How did you set the proxy? via gsetting or enviroment variable?
[07:03] <mokmeister> I have to say before I go, battey life is amazing on r25 for bq4.5! 82% charge after 90 hours, a couple of calls made and received in that time, wifi and dual sims active, no surfing during that time though. Amazing!
[07:04] <mokmeister> By comparison my Sony Xperia Z, charged twelve hours ago, is now at 90%.
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy International Dot Day! 😃
[08:33] <k1l> …
[08:33] <k1l> :)
[08:47] <justCarakas> ....
[08:54] <seb128> dednick, hey, could you get somebody to approve/land https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/icon-aspect-ratio-crop/+merge/265146 ? (I comment approved but I'm not in the right team to be able to change the status)
[08:55] <dednick> tsdgeos: ^?
[08:55] <dednick> tsdgeos: i can do the landing if you like.
[08:56] <tsdgeos> top approved
[08:56] <tsdgeos> dednick: you do the landing :)
[08:56] <dednick> tsdgeos: ta
[08:57] <seb128> dednick, there are other approved mps that you might want to batch in the same landing ;-)
[08:57] <seb128> dednick, tsdgeos, thanks
[09:05] <dednick> seb128: sure. will take a look
[09:07] <seb128> dednick, thanks
[09:07] <seb128> dednick, in fact one bumps the import to 1.3 and might need more consideration, I'm unsure if the other one is a design change ... maybe just landing the fix for now would make more sense
[09:17] <dednick> seb128: fyi - https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-056
[09:17] <seb128> dednick, thanks
[09:17] <dednick> oo. 1.3 hm
[09:18] <dednick> not sure if that can land in overlay
[09:18] <seb128> dednick, it should, the new uitk is there since previous ota updates
[09:19] <dednick> seb128: ah. ok then
[09:20] <dednick> might need to bump the 1.2 change in the icon aspect to 1.3 now then. just to sync with the deprecation branch
[09:22] <dednick> yeah, there's a conflict.
[09:59]  * guest42315 aw-food
[10:31] <jgdx> JamesTait, did you get to eat a hoagie?
[10:32] <davmor2> jgdx: did you not realise that he lives in subway
[10:32] <JamesTait> jgdx, I didn't. :(
[10:33] <JamesTait> jgdx, but then given the amount of food I managed to consume in SA, that's probably for the best.
[10:37] <jgdx> davmor2, :P
[10:37] <jgdx> JamesTait, you gotta walk the walk man
[10:38] <JamesTait> jgdx, I know, I'm letting the side down. :(
[10:51] <bkchr> Hi, at the moment I got some problems with adb, dmesg shows 'adb_open' but the device isn't showing up at my pc. Mtp shows the device, any ideas what I could test?
[10:51] <jgdx> bkchr, developer mode is on?
[10:54] <bkchr> jgdx: I replaced the adbd executable and enabled the Android tools override. This should be sufficient? Because I can't activate the developer mode, display isn't working :D
[11:02] <jgdx> bkchr, can't say, but you can flash with developer mode enabled if ^ doesn't work.
[11:04] <bkchr> jgdx: How can I flash with developer mode enabled?
[11:05] <jgdx> bkchr, ubuntu-device-flash touch … --developer-mode --password 1234
[11:05] <jgdx> not sure why that's not documented
[11:06] <jgdx> (the elipsis means other arguments like channel and whatnot)
[11:10] <bkchr> jgdx, could I maybe activate this mode manually? Because at the moment I'm working in some sort of dual boot mode and I'm booting the kernel with fastboot :D
[11:12] <jgdx> bkchr, idk, sorry.
[11:14] <bkchr> jgdx, okay thank you, then I should examine the script.
[11:17] <jgdx> bkchr, np. If you hang around someone might know. The America's are not up for another two-three hours
[11:19] <bkchr> jgdx, thx, I will stay online ;)
[11:21] <Knightmare> Hi All, how do I tell what OTA version I am using? (On Meizu MX4)
[11:25] <jgdx> Knightmare, what revision number and channel are you on?
[11:26] <Knightmare> jgdxL stable/r4
[11:26] <Knightmare> jgdx stable/r4
[11:27] <jgdx> Knightmare, ota6
[11:27] <jgdx> Knightmare, there's no way to tell right now. See bug 1475568
[11:27] <Knightmare> Great stuff, wasn't sure. The revision number threw me.
[11:29] <mpt> Why do we have, by default, both a “Tasks” app and Reminders in the “Notes” app?
[12:57] <davmor2> mpt: because tasks are different to notes?  Just a guess
[12:58] <mpt> davmor2, yes, tasks are different to notes, but tasks are almost identical to reminders
[12:58] <popey> mpt: because the notes app brings with it the capabilities of the Evernote APi, of which reminders is one.
[13:00] <davmor2> mpt: by the way I agree with you I don't use tasks but I will write a check list in a note instead
[13:00] <davmor2> mpt: when tasks was originally written and added though I don't think reminders had the checklist facility and the notes app well was a little bit pants to be honest
[13:13] <popey> people still use the old notes app - evidenced by the number of people who complained when it broke in OTA-6
[13:14] <popey> around 600-700 people use that app (or at least have it installed [it's not default]) according to the store.
[13:16] <ondrej_> hi folks, MX4 just arrived (mainly for work purposes, we want to look how to port a DNSSEC-validating resolver we develop to it), but few questions popped when I booted the phone.
[13:16] <ondrej_> is there an CalDAV and CardDAV support available?
[13:16] <popey> not yet
[13:17] <ondrej_> and planned?
[13:17] <popey> hyes
[13:18] <svij> ondrej_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1199774
[13:18] <popey> it will come when we move to buteo I think.
[13:19] <ondrej_> popey: thanks I'll subscribe to the bug
[13:21] <ondrej_> CardDAV would be nice too, I have Fastmail for my personal emails and I use Zimbra for work stuff
[13:22] <popey> I agree
[13:23] <ondrej_> back to my original purpose - we are developing a new DNSSEC validating DNS Resolver - Knot Resolver and I would like to replace the resolver in the Ubuntu Touch with this one.  Any pointers where to start?
[13:23] <ondrej_> e.g. it's not an app development, but it has to be modified system image
[13:35] <popey> ondrej: i think step one is it needs to be in the ubuntu archive
[13:35] <popey> (which logically means it should probably be in the debian archive, which we pull many packages from)
[13:40] <ondrej> popey: understood, but it's still WIP, so I am looking for a custom builds just for us.  I can take care of Debian packages afterwards - but I am interested in #ubuntu-touch internals at this phase.
[13:47] <davmor2> ondrej: not sure I understand what you are after doing, But if I'm right, you can make the system writable add your software and test to your hearts content, this will likely break your next upgrade or wipe your changes, as for specific images I am not aware of a way to build one currently.
[13:52] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, not sure if Elleo mentioned it already, we were discussing earlier today the possibility of adding a QRCode type to content-hub, that would allow tagger to advertise itself as a content provider, and other apps to delegate scanning/decoding QR codes to another app
[13:53] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, the actual content type would be text
[13:53] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, or alternatively bumping up the priority of the mimetype transition and allowing for vendor specific mimetypes to handle this sort of circumstance
[13:53] <oSoMoN> or that, yeah :)
[13:55] <kenvandine> oh mimetypes :)
[13:56] <Elleo> I think mimetypes was about the first change I suggested when joining the company :P
[13:56] <kenvandine> yeah... and it was already on my wishlist :)
[13:56] <Elleo> heh
[13:57] <perracomax> Hi all
[13:57] <kenvandine> i never liked the idea of the well known types
[13:57] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, Elleo: how much work would switching to mime types involve?
[13:57] <kenvandine> it's not trivial
[13:57] <kenvandine> so... QRCode is just a link right?
[13:58] <kenvandine> so tagger could register itself as a source for links
[13:58] <kenvandine> right now it would be the only source for links
[13:58] <Elleo> kenvandine: they don't want to have to pick from amongst all the other non-QR related link providers
[13:58] <perracomax> something about dual boot?
[13:59] <kenvandine> Elleo, i don't think there are any apps that register as sources for links
[13:59] <Elleo> kenvandine: I think mimetype support is going to become increasingly important as things like the libreoffice document viewer land, as the Documents type is incredibly broad for all the file types it could support
[13:59] <kenvandine> and i can't think of a use case for one that does that, besides qrcodes
[13:59] <kenvandine> agreed
[14:00] <kenvandine> so what type of mimetype would tagger use for qrcodes?
[14:01] <Elleo> well it could use a vendor specific one, which is apparently the approach taken on android for this sort of thing
[14:01] <Elleo> since we don't have to restrict it to just well known mimetypes as long as both the sender and receiver agree on the mimetype it'll work
[14:03] <kenvandine> Elleo, i still think it makes sense for tagger to register as a provider of ContentType.Link
[14:03] <Elleo> kenvandine: that was my initial suggestion, but I can see a future where we have lots of link providers
[14:03] <Elleo> kenvandine: e.g. an app the synchronises a list of bookmarks between computers
[14:04] <kenvandine> but we should really look to get the mimetype work scheduled
[14:04] <Elleo> kenvandine: or the browser exporting its bookmarks
[14:05] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, the content of a decoded QR code is any free-form text, not just links
[14:05] <kenvandine> ah, i thought it was just links
[14:06] <brendand> jgdx, kenvandine - is there a dbus/gsettings setting i can check for the status of the rotation toggle?
[14:06] <oSoMoN> tagger would have to advertise as a provider for ContentType.Text, of which there are a few already, so not a great UX for an app requesting scanning a QR code…
[14:06] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:07] <kenvandine> brendand, not sure off hand, the indicator manages that, and settings just talks to the indicator
[14:07] <kenvandine> but i think it twiddles gsettings
[14:14] <brendand> kenvandine, any idea what the schema might be?
[14:16] <jgdx> brendand, hold on
[14:16] <kenvandine> jgdx, you're looking for it?  thanks :)
[14:17] <kenvandine> brendand, sorry we were in a meeting :)
[14:17] <Elleo> brendand: gsettings get com.ubuntu.touch.system rotation-lock
[14:18] <jgdx> :)
[14:18] <jgdx> thanks Elleo
[14:18] <Elleo> no problem :)
[14:23] <Mirv> mardy: hey, almost forgot, I've this https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/17279/dqbqh/Delock-HDMI-A-SlimPort-Adapteri
[14:24] <Mirv> not on stock though
[14:24] <Mirv> but I've some output with it even with mako running Ubuntu vivid as is
[14:24] <Mirv> a bit clipped, but that's what bug fixes are for :)
[14:28] <mardy> Mirv: I ordered this, I think it's from the same brand: multitronic.fi/showprod.php?prod_id=SLIM-1002-K&b=1
[14:29] <brendand> Elleo, thanks
[14:31] <Mirv> mardy: it probably works, when I googled about it Slimport seemed mostly just work
[14:41] <bkchr> jgdx: Got adb working :D Needed to add adb to "persist.sys.usb.config". Do you know if it is still possible to boot with surfaceflinger? I added surfaceflinger to lightdm, but the lightdm only showed some "GLIBC" error.
[14:58] <jgdx> bkchr, good stuff. I am unfamiliar with that part of the stack.
[15:22] <dholbach> which arale channel did ota-6 go to?
[15:23] <dholbach> ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en?
[15:24] <dobey> dholbach: yes, stable should be it
[15:24] <dholbach> thanks
[15:29] <m0n5t3r_> meh, now syslog and dmesg are flooded with "[SPM] CANNOT GET UART SLEEP ACK (0x2feeffd)"
[15:54] <nik90> ogra_: you got a fan :D on ubuntu-on-air :P
[16:01] <seb128> charles, tedg, any chance you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~mdeslaur/indicator-power/fix-priorities/+merge/260903 ?
[16:09] <kenvandine> jgdx: have you seen this? https://github.com/nemomobile/libqofono/pull/85
[16:10] <kenvandine> jgdx: i think you have some magic for dealing with that scenario, this might help
[16:16] <ogra_> nik90, oh ?
[16:17] <nik90> ogra_: just a ubuntu-on-air viewer claiming you're one of the friendliest ubuntu-devs out there :D....I know rite, what was he thinking :P
[16:18] <ogra_> :D
[16:28] <charles> seb128, mdeslaur, looking now
[16:29] <charles> mdeslaur, 2015-06-02?! :(
[16:38] <old_benz> Just reporting back here.  I have a late revision Nexus 7 (shipped with Android 5) that I have not been able to install Ubuntu Touch on.  I was able to downgrade the bootloader and install a factory 4.4 image, which worked.
[16:39] <old_benz> I'm seeing the exact same this referenced here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/674179/ubuntu-device-flash-fails-on-nexus-7-2013-android-5-0-2-cant-copy-image-to
[16:39] <old_benz> I "believe" the issue is that the CWM recovery shipped with Ubuntu Touch fails to find the block devices to install on
[16:40] <old_benz> In fact, I have only found one working recovery for this device posted on XDA, however I haven't found the sources for it
[16:42] <old_benz> any pointers?
[16:45] <old_benz> Here's the relevant thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-7-2013/nexus-7-2013-qa/mount-recovery-t3064562
[16:51] <old_benz> is it possible to push Ubuntu Touch without a custom recovery?
[16:52] <old_benz> I used fastboot flash to flash boot, recovery, and userdata, but the tablet was stuck on the Google logo
[16:52] <old_benz> ie. wouldn't boot system from 'userdata'
[16:53] <seb128> charles, thanks for looking
[16:53] <mdeslaur> thanks charles!
[16:56] <kenvandine> Elleo, how do you feel about adding readonly a convenience property which can be used to get the title, useful for setting the page title yourself?
[16:56] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12418662/
[16:56] <kenvandine> Elleo, ^^ like that
[16:57] <davmor2> old_benz: Install android 4.4, login into that system once that activates everything, then drop the device into fastboot mode, and run,  ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu --bootstrap,  this will then take a long while for the initial flash and startup but then should be good
[16:58] <old_benz> davmor2: you think that should work?  I just found the TWRP patch: https://github.com/Tasssadar/android_kernel_google_msm/commit/0f7854f7c9fa23651a904f77675518038e85ce67
[16:58] <old_benz> was going to ask for UT CWM sources to check if you have this commit
[16:58] <kenvandine> Elleo, i don't love the idea, but it's nice to be able to set the title to something consistent
[16:58] <davmor2> old_benz: Yeap that should work
[16:58] <kenvandine> i tested it with address-book-app and showTitle: false
[16:59] <old_benz> will run today and report back.  thank you!
[16:59] <popey> old_benz: thats the way I do it too
[16:59] <old_benz> thank you guys! sounds promising
[17:02] <old_benz> davmor2: so this assumes the user has downgraded the boot image?
[17:02] <old_benz> davmor2: since out of the box this tablet refuses to run 4.4
[17:03] <seb128> charles, thanks for the review. Do you think you can organize a landing for that? if you do can you get the "start the right settings under unity8" change included as well?
[17:04] <charles> seb128, sure
[17:04] <seb128> charles, thanks
[17:06] <davmor2> old_benz: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#razor comes with 4.3 as the earliest setup
[17:08]  * tathhu tries to get ssh for rpi w/out hdmi
[17:08] <tathhu> lawl wrong channel
[17:09] <jgdx> kenvandine, I think the magic we have is largely removed as that bug was fixed.
[17:09] <old_benz> davmor2: that's true, but later revisions of the table have a bootloader that refuses to boot anything prior to 5 (without a new boot.img flashed)
[17:09] <davmor2> old_benz: if you download the 4.4 from there it will give you a flash all command just do that again it take a while but if you follow the instructions here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/reinstalling-android/
[17:09] <jgdx> kenvandine, the magic was kept for the one interface in libqofono that hasn't been migrated to the new qofono base object (mtksettings).
[17:09] <old_benz> davmor2: going to try...
[17:09] <kenvandine> jgdx: great, that PR just rang bells
[17:09] <jgdx> but it's awesome that the valid flag now works, as IIRC it didn't
[17:16] <tathhu> old_benz: refuses to run 4.4? nexus 7 2013? w00t
[17:16]  * tathhu should flash ubuntu to n7 
[17:16] <old_benz> tathhu: yes, the latest N7's that come with Android 5 will not boot a 4.4 factory image
[17:17] <old_benz> without a modified boot.img
[17:17] <tathhu> o_O
[17:18] <tathhu> (at repair they flashed 4.3 on to mine every time?????? like wtf :D)
[17:21] <old_benz> I'm guessing I'm gonna have to get the UT source and patch the recovery myself
[17:34] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, I'd be okay with that
[17:38] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx
[17:39] <zzarr_> hello! have the problem with invisible mouse cursor when connecting a bluetooth mouse been fixed?
[17:40] <zzarr_> and if, will it be available in next OTA release?
[17:46] <pmcgowan> barry, you about?
[17:48] <barry> pmcgowan: yep
[17:49] <pmcgowan> barry, user on the mailing list has an empty channel.ini file after a faulty update
[17:49] <pmcgowan> wondering what we can do to gather logs and then to restore him to working
[17:50] <barry> pmcgowan: is this related to LP: #1495688?
[17:51] <pmcgowan> barry, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1495207
[17:52] <pmcgowan> so doesnt seem related to me
[17:53] <barry> pmcgowan: probably not, but it's suspicious.  just want to verify that this is system-image 3.0, right?  it probably is because of the config.d directory
[17:54] <pmcgowan> barry, but how would his channel.ini file become empty?
[17:54] <barry> pmcgowan: yeah, it shouldn't :/
[17:54] <pmcgowan> I assume he is on latest stable
[17:54] <pmcgowan> but we cant tell since thats in channel
[17:55] <barry> right.  that's messed up.  no idea how that could be happening
[17:55] <pmcgowan> barry, he has two bq phones so he can put a correct channel.ini in there, but then how to make sure he is at the right rev
[17:55] <barry> pmcgowan: hang on
[17:55] <kenvandine> zzarr_, there's a fix, but not landed yet.  I'm not sure when that'll be in an OTA, hopefully soon
[17:56] <barry> pmcgowan: do you know when the phone adopted s-i 3.0?  it was on 2.5.1 for a long while.  is this a recent change?  maybe there's a bug in the upgrade process?
[17:56] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, that sounds like the problem asac was talking about earlier
[17:56] <pmcgowan> barry, not sure
[17:57] <barry> pmcgowan: that would be really good to know
[17:58] <pmcgowan> barry, oh its still 2.5.1
[17:58] <pmcgowan> why didnt we update that?
[17:58] <barry> pmcgowan: then why is there a config.d directory?  that's a si 3.0 thing
[17:59] <pmcgowan> barry, I just checked on my mx4 and its 2.5.1 and I have the config.d
[17:59] <kenvandine> barry, i just checked on my krillin too, same
[17:59] <kenvandine> 2.5.1-0ubuntu1~overlay1
[17:59] <barry> pmcgowan: idk.  i vaguely remember discussions about this. 3.0 is mostly for snappy, but it has some things that could be seful for the phone.  i think it's a matter of being overly conservative and never getting around to it
[17:59] <kenvandine> with /etc/system-image/config.d
[18:00] <barry> huh.
[18:00] <barry> my bq has been busted for a long while.  i should try to reflash it and see if it happens to me
[18:00] <kenvandine> interesting
[18:00] <kenvandine> not owned by any package
[18:00] <kenvandine> the files in it
[18:01] <kenvandine> so must come from the custom tarball
[18:01] <barry> yeah, that's very strange
[18:01] <pmcgowan> maybe to have same custom tarball for vivid and wily?
[18:01] <pmcgowan> someone fixed something?
[18:02] <barry> that's a possiblility
[18:02] <kenvandine> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Sep 15 12:13 01_channel.ini -> ../channel.ini
[18:02] <kenvandine> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Sep 15 12:13 00_default.ini -> ../client.ini
[18:02] <kenvandine> so they are just links
[18:02] <pmcgowan> but it seems benign
[18:02] <barry> right, but 2.5.1 shouldn't even look in config.d
[18:03] <pmcgowan> barry, not sure it does
[18:03] <pmcgowan> not sure what that other bug was running
[18:03] <pmcgowan> this bug is just complaining about an empty channel.ini
[18:03] <barry> pmcgowan: okay, let's ignore that other bug then for now, and the mystery of config.d
[18:04] <barry> pmcgowan: yeah, i don't know how channel.ini could get corrupted or zeroed
[18:06] <pmcgowan> barry, how do you suggest he recovers? put in a good file then do a -b 0?
[18:06] <barry> pmcgowan: but channel.ini is by default just coming from the binary package, so if they haven't modified it, you can probably just grab it from there and install it.  it's channel.ini that has all the interesting device/channel specific stuff
[18:08] <pmcgowan> barry, so just at-get the package? which one
[18:08] <pmcgowan> then how to ensure he has all the bits he needs
[18:08] <barry> pmcgowan: it should be in system-image-common and he just needs the channel.ini file from the unpacked .deb
[18:08]  * barry is pretty sure that would fix it
[18:09] <kenvandine> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/system-image/channel.ini
[18:09] <pmcgowan> barry, he can copy it from his other phone which may be easier for him
[18:09] <pmcgowan> yeah I saw that too
[18:09] <kenvandine> client.ini comes from system-image-common
[18:09] <pmcgowan> we must override it in the build?
[18:10] <kenvandine> channel.ini does get changed when the device upgrades, maybe something happened during update that caused it to fail to write the file back out
[18:10] <barry> pmcgowan: oh sorry, i think i've been confused.  yes, channel.ini needs to be channel/device specific.  *client.ini* is the default
[18:10] <pmcgowan> barry, I think he should get a good channel.ini then tell it to reflash the entire image
[18:10] <barry> but it's channel.ini the bug says got zeroed out
[18:11] <pmcgowan> whats the s-i-c command to do a full image
[18:11] <barry> kenvandine: possibly a bug in recovery?  that's what applies the updates
[18:11] <kenvandine> dunno, just speculation
[18:11] <kenvandine> can't see when else that file could get emptied
[18:11] <pmcgowan> this is the first time we hear of such a thing
[18:13] <barry> kenvandine: unless the user did something deliberate
[18:13] <kenvandine> it sounds like the same thing happened to asac, which is what scares me
[18:13] <kenvandine> he was complaining about this like an hour ago in #phablet
[18:13] <ogra_> kenvandine, he cant fire you, no worries
[18:13] <kenvandine> :)
[18:14] <kenvandine> just sounds like we might have 2 people that hit this
[18:15] <kenvandine> is r25 ota-6?
[18:15] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, why do you think its the same? he says he has r25 so he must have that file
[18:15] <kenvandine> or ota-5?
[18:16] <barry> kenvandine: that's scary indeed if true
[18:16] <pmcgowan> I meant to make a decoder ring
[18:16] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, not sure... just sounds like a similar issue since he can't get updates
[18:18] <kenvandine> it must be ota-6
[18:18] <kenvandine> bug 1495207
[18:19] <kenvandine> there shouldn't actually be an update past that, so maybe asac isn't hitting a bug at all
[18:19] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, I have a bad feeling, I am seeing messages indicating both ota5 and 6 are r25
[18:20] <kenvandine> don't we have some table some where referencing channels and revisions for releases?
[18:20] <kenvandine> i know i've never seen one, but hopes it exists :)
[18:21] <mcphail> I'm 90% sure OTA5 wasn't r25
[18:21] <pmcgowan> no I was going to make one
[18:21] <pmcgowan> ota6 certainly shows as r25
[18:21] <kenvandine> i'm thinking r25 must be ota6
[18:21] <pmcgowan> it is on my bq
[18:21] <kenvandine> according to that bug they had just gotten that update
[18:22] <mcphail> I was doing a bit of channel surfing when rc-proposed was r26 and was disappointed when OTA6 only incremented me to r25. But it _was_ an increment
[18:23] <kenvandine> that sounds wrong too
[18:23] <kenvandine> rc-proposed revisions climb much faster than stable
[18:23] <pmcgowan> the release note shows versions and ota5 was r24
[18:23] <pmcgowan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-5
[18:23] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, ah... the decoder ring :)
[18:24] <mcphail> kenvandine: maybe it wasn't rc-proposed, but it was some non-stock channel
[18:24] <pmcgowan> each channel is at a different number its maddening
[18:24] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-6
[18:24] <kenvandine> says 25
[18:24] <kenvandine> so that makes sense
[18:24] <pmcgowan> right
[18:24] <pmcgowan> so thats settled
[18:24] <kenvandine> so asac shouldn't be seeing updates...
[18:24] <pmcgowan> right
[18:25] <pmcgowan> barry, never answered my question on how that user should proceed? I guess he can just fix the channel.ini
[18:25] <ogra_> pmcgowan, once you have 100 devices with 20 channnels each you will cover all numbers from 1-1000 at least :)
[18:25] <pmcgowan> I have a bug to show the ota number on the main revision, like 15.04.6
[18:26] <pmcgowan> but thta woud be too logical
[18:26] <ogra_> yeah, stop complicating things
[18:26] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, we should just do that
[18:26] <kenvandine> we need to get that info from somewhere though
[18:27] <kenvandine> maybe add a release property to system-image-dbus
[18:27] <kenvandine> that we tag for releases
[18:28] <barry> pmcgowan: the problem with channel.ini is that it's device/channel specific, so you can't just grab it from anywhere.  if he has a duplicate model and he wants to stay on the same channel, then he could grab it from there.  otherwise, you'll have to unpack the update that corresponds to what the device *should* be at, and then get the channel.ini from there
[18:28] <kenvandine> 15.04.6 for tagged ota6 and 15.04.6~ for revisions between 15.04.5 and 15.04.6
[18:28] <pmcgowan> barry, he has an indentical one for himself, this is his wife's
[18:29] <barry> kenvandine: si-dbus does have an interface for giving a bunch of information (basically parsing out the ini files)
[18:29] <barry> pmcgowan: that will probably do it
[18:29] <kenvandine> barry, yeah, we use that in settings to display this type of info
[18:29] <pmcgowan> barry, in cae, shat is the incantation to reload the entire image
[18:29] <pmcgowan> case
[18:30] <barry> pmcgowan: you mean, do a full update?
[18:30] <pmcgowan> yes
[18:30] <pmcgowan> so he can be sure he has all the latest
[18:30] <barry> `system-image-cli -b 0` should do the trick.  that forces the device to think it's at build 0 so it will force a full update to the latest revision
[18:30] <pmcgowan> right thought so thanks
[18:30] <barry> np
[18:32] <pmcgowan> barry, that needs a sudo yes?
[18:32] <barry> pmcgowan: yep
[18:43] <mcphail> Does anyone agree that if you select "delete" on an SMS or dekko notification, the message should be deleted (rather than just the notification)? If so, where should I file a bug?
[18:43] <tathhu> No. :P
[18:43] <mcphail> tathhu: grr :)
[18:44] <tathhu> Atleast not by default :P
[18:45] <mcphail> tathhu: I don't mean the "clear all" button. I mean dragging the notification to the right and selecting "delete". Surely "delete" should "delete", otherwise it should be named "hide"?
[18:45] <tathhu> Ahh.. :D
[18:46] <mcphail> (that's what my android phone does, and it is very convenient)
[18:46]  * ogra_ votes for renaming
[18:46] <mcphail> ogra_: but then you have to unlock the phone to delte spam email
[18:47] <ogra_> nah, i have a server that deletes it before it reaches me ;)
[18:47] <DanChapman> You would have to unlock the phone anyway to bring dekko to the foreground so it can delete it
[18:47] <mcphail> :)
[18:47] <mcphail> DanChapman: no way to "cache" the deltes soo they happen automagically when dekko is next brought to foreground?
[18:48] <mcphail> *deletes
[18:48] <zzarr_> kenvandine, thanks,
[18:48] <kenvandine> zzarr_, np
[18:49] <zzarr_> opps, I got an extra ","
[18:51] <mcphail> DanChapman: btw, I think it is fair to say I get notified about a selection of my emails, rather than all of them. Can't work out why, though.
[18:53] <DanChapman> mcphail: if they were cached you would be relying on the UID's not changing between sessions. Which they are not guaranteed to persist.
[18:54] <mcphail> aah. shame
[18:56] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F36EeZbS3Gzqq_tivKZHyoLDCOxT1TPh0vubhvWJafI/edit#heading=h.e8455ywmlctg
[18:56] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, woot, that'll prove very useful :)
[18:57] <kenvandine> thx
[18:57] <pmcgowan> sure
[19:00] <DanChapman> mcphail: ahh yes the notifications aren't yet clever enough to figure out new mail that arrived during periods of no connection.
[19:01] <mcphail> DanChapman: tbh, it can miss a notification at any time
[19:02] <mcphail> DanChapman: I can set up a job to spam my phone with emails every few seconds, and only occasional clusters get through. No idea why
[19:03] <mcphail> Sorry, not "get through". Rather "raise notification"
[19:04] <mcphail> (but it is nice to get notifications at all - definite improvement :) )
[19:04] <DanChapman> mcphail: not seen that before. I'll look into it :-)
[19:04] <mcphail> DanChapman: cheers!
[19:22] <old_benz> davmor2: same issue, 2015/09/15 12:20:30 error pushing: failed to copy '/home/dima/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu/flo/version-239.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': Is a directory
[19:22] <old_benz> running your command from earlier today
[19:23] <old_benz> this is on a N7 downgraded to 4.4 with a modded boot.img
[19:24] <old_benz> Can someone link me to the source of the CWM UT recovery?
[20:31] <bkchr> Hi, how can I use surfaceflinger instead of mir? Is there a configuration option?
[20:34] <popey> we used to support that but I don't think we do anymore, kgunn may know
[20:45] <kgunn> bkchr: right, that option doesn't exist
[20:48] <bkchr> kgunn: okay, so if my mir is dying with exceptions, I need to compile it for myself?
[20:51] <kgunn> bkchr: can you explain a little what you're doing ?
[20:52] <kgunn> like what hw? are you using our image?
[20:59] <bkchr> I'm trying to port a caf kernel to my Oneplus One.
[21:00] <bkchr> http://pastebin.com/wYJijmWE That's the error I get.
[21:12] <kgunn> bkchr: ah yeah...interesting enough, we just ran across an abi break from that same chip vendor....i wonder if this is the same
[21:12] <kgunn> kdub: ^
[21:12] <kgunn> bkchr: fwiw, yes, we did just to verify...have to rebuild mir against the driver we were working with, so you might want to as well
[21:13] <kgunn> we shouldn't have to, but then again chip vendors aren't really looking out for abi breaks for downstream binary users :)
[21:20] <bkchr> Okay ;)
[21:52] <vitimiti> Are there any plans on adding the ability to download files (at least on desktop) for the Ubuntu web browser?
[21:55] <faenil> vitimiti: I'm quite sure I've seen some design about that
[21:55] <vitimiti> faenil, I see, that's good
[22:00] <bkchr> kgunn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Mir is this guide still valid?
[22:08] <kgunn> bkchr: yes it should be
[22:08] <kgunn> bkchr: is that webpage loading for you? it's not for me...
[22:11] <faenil> vitimiti: not sure about the implementation side ofi t
[22:12] <vitimiti> faenil, if it can download stuff, even if it's just to the Downloads directory, I'm fine with it. As of now it opens the download page in Firefox, which is a workaround, but annoying
[22:13] <faenil> vitimiti: I haven't tried the desktop version yet :)
[22:13] <bkchr> kgunn: Yeah the website is loading for me. But it seams that I should need to upgrade to willy
[22:15] <faenil> vitimiti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1354391
[22:15] <kgunn> bkchr: well...hang on
[22:15] <vitimiti> faenil, thank you
[22:16] <kgunn> bkchr: if you're on a phone...i assume you're using our vivid release plus the stable-phone-overlay ?
[22:16] <kgunn> this is what is used in building all our images
[22:16] <kgunn> as wily is a bit of a wild ride lately
[22:16] <kgunn> you can get the src for mir from either the tarball in the ppa
[22:16] <kgunn> or from lp:mir/0.15
[22:17]  * faenil is off to bed, good night people o/
[22:18] <kgunn> bkchr: ok....and that wiki isn't right, it is rather old, sorry i said ok...
[22:18] <kgunn> bkchr: what you're probably looking for is
[22:19] <kgunn> this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/GetInvolved
[22:20] <kgunn> actually the "hacking mir"
[22:20] <kgunn> http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/
[22:21] <bkchr> kgunn: stable-phone-overlay whats that? :D I'm using a vivid image, but it's all hacky at the moment
[22:22] <kgunn> bkchr: right if you have a recent image...and you go look at /etc/apt/source.list.d/ you should see an "extras-ppa.list" there
[22:23] <kgunn> that lists this ppa
[22:23] <kgunn> which is this https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[22:23] <bkchr> Okay, that's not there :D
[22:23] <kgunn> hmmm
[22:24] <kgunn> bkchr: just to make sure i understand...you're working on a phone right ? oneplus one?
[22:24] <kgunn> and using an image from our image server ?
[22:24] <kgunn> can i ask what image channel you used ?
[22:25] <kgunn> bkchr: and i have to admit...i'm not completely familiar with how somebody goes about porting and pulling apart all the primordial bits :)
[22:25] <bkchr> kgunn:  Yeah I'm working on the phone, but I used an image from mariogrip who already ported the aosp kernel to the oneplus one ;) Maybe i should update to one of your images
[22:26] <kgunn> bkchr: ah...yeah...might be. he probably just based off an older image some time in history
[22:26] <kgunn> obviously before 14.04 was released...we were just plain old vivid
[22:27] <bkchr> kgunn: It took me a lot of work and trying to get it all working. So the image wasn't so important^^
[22:27] <kgunn> when wily got cranked up, and we wanted new phone features..but not to step fwd onto wily...the stable overlay was created
[22:28] <kgunn> so in reality, i think you can just add that ppa to your sources list and update....
[22:28] <kgunn> if you're on vivid
[22:28] <kgunn> already
[22:28] <kgunn> unsure how old your vivid is..
[22:29] <bkchr> yeah it's an vivid
[22:29] <kgunn> bkchr: and actually...now that you say this...you will get a very modern mir doing that
[22:29] <bkchr> kgunn: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/vivid/daily-preinstalled/current/ , could I use the vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz image?
[22:29] <kgunn> bkchr: on your device if you do apt-cache policy libmirserver* what does it say is installed ?
[22:30] <bkchr> kgunn: http://pastebin.com/X3GV68ec that's the output
[22:32] <kgunn> ah... bkchr you're not completely old in terms of mir....we just moved to 15.1 from 14.1
[22:32] <kgunn> in fact i think that means you're on the latest "stable"
[22:33] <kgunn> ota6 image
[22:34] <kgunn> bkchr: that's even more dirty laundry....we have that "stable-phone-overlay" that we use on the rc-proposed images...and we take a "snapshot" for stable release...hence "ci-train-ppa-service/stable-snapshot/"
[22:34] <mariogrip> I use system-images now, so some of the tarballs might be old yeah
[22:35] <kgunn> mariogrip: yeah, but if you're on stable...that's not really what i would call "old"
[22:36] <kgunn> so bkchr i don't think you need to upgrade or anything, prolly just a rebuild to get past that hwcomposer issue
[22:36] <kgunn> bkchr: and you can also join #ubuntu-mir on freenode and ping if you hit issue with builds and what not there...
[22:37] <kgunn> we have 2 dudes in australia...so someone should anwer
[22:37] <mariogrip> The system image issnt old, but the tarballs for using rootstock installer is old
[22:38] <kgunn> hey i need to jump off for a bit..feel free to ping, nice chatting o/
[22:38] <bkchr> kgunn: thx for your help ;)
[22:41] <mariogrip> Hi bkchr, how's plasma working on the one?
[22:43] <bkchr> I didn't tried much of it ;) Just installed it and played a little bit. I would say, all that was working on ubuntu also worked on plasma.
[22:43] <bkchr> but it's much more unstable :D
[22:44] <mariogrip> Yeah, I haven't got time to try it out yet. But I got some solid progress on cellular on the one, and I also gonna start porting to the OnePlus two :D
[22:46] <bkchr> Yeah, I follow your topic ;) I'm willed to help :D I'm also using some of your stuff with the cyanogenmod kernel.
[22:51] <elimiste1e> Has anyone collected any data on the most-desired Ubuntu Phone apps (that don't yet exist)?
[22:52] <elimiste1e> as in, which apps are stopping people from switching?
[22:53] <mariogrip> bkchr: That would be awesome. We need more developers at ubports if we want to reach our goal :D
[22:55] <elimiste1e> which goal?
[22:58] <elimiste1e> "to port Ubuntu Touch to as many devices as possible"?
[22:58] <mariogrip> Jup! :D
[23:00] <elimiste1e> cool :-)
[23:00] <OerHeks> elimiste1e, you might want to check sturmfluts blog http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/2015/06/27/ubuntu-app-scope-wishlist-june-2015/
[23:03] <elimiste1e> Does anyone know why Canonical's Ubuntu Phone apps are closed source?
[23:03] <elimiste1e> thanks OerHeks, that looks handy
[23:09] <elimiste1e> like https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.canonical.scopes.tasks is closed source, for example
[23:17] <cwayne> elimisteve: that's a bug that it's listed as closed source, source lives here: https://code.launchpad.net/task-app
[23:19] <elimisteve> thanks cwayne
[23:20] <cwayne> np, that's probably the case for a lot of them tbh