[13:01] <cmaloney> morning
[13:02] <rick_h_> morning
[13:03] <cmaloney> How goes the morning?
[13:03] <brousch> tiring
[13:04] <brousch> Calculating a consulting hourly rate is stressful
[13:05] <cmaloney> brousch: I really hate that.
[13:05] <cmaloney> money and computers should never mix. ;)
[13:08] <brousch> heh
[13:09] <brousch> Moving from a salaried job with 401k, health care, paid time off to one with none of that is quite different
[13:19] <cmaloney> Ugh, are you consulting?
[13:20] <cmaloney> or freelancing?
[13:52] <jrwren> brousch: if you were making 50k, charge $50/hr. if you were making 100k, charge 100$/hr.  It only sounds like a lot to you. I won't sound like a lot to your clients.
[13:52] <jrwren> brousch: Vacations, Health Insurance, Self Employment Tax and cost of business are expensive.
[13:59] <rick_h_> jrwren: I've always heard 2x from hourly to annual
[14:00] <jrwren> rick_h_: that can work too.
[14:01] <cmaloney> I prefer the "if you have to ask you can't afford it" methodology.
[14:01] <cmaloney> Just give me a blank check and I'll do the rest
[14:01] <brousch> jrwren: That's the rule of thumb I've seen from a few other people
[14:01] <brousch> It works out to roughly the same as rick_h_  suggests
[14:03] <brousch> The freelance calculators I've found online end up 15% below that
[14:03] <jrwren> brousch: give up that 15% and live in the poor house. I know. I did it.
[14:03] <brousch> heh
[14:04] <brousch> I'm afraid they're designed for punk kids willing to live in a van and never visit a doctor
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> lol spacex has a pricing page on their website
[14:57] <mrgoodcat> like i'm just gonna be browsing and be like 61.2M is such a good deal
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> hope they accept paypal
[14:58] <mrgoodcat> no "add to cart" button though
[15:02] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Need to get away in a hurry?
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> in style at the very least
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> make all the bugattis at the club look like fools
[18:44] <cmaloney> greg-g: Hurray on the "no surgery" prognosis