[15:43] <alan_g> greyback: I know it isn't your top priority (yet), but I'd like feedback on these questions before investing more time: https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/MirBlob/+merge/269949/comments/682826
[17:20] <zzarr> hello, is there a mir version of java?
[17:35] <kdub> zzarr, there arent mirclient api binding for java that I know of, although maybe a supported toolkit would have those bindings
[17:36] <zzarr> okey, but xmir+java for x should work
[17:38] <kdub> at that level, its more a question of whether X+java will work right, but sure :)
[17:40] <zzarr> I have a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition, how do I install xmir?
[17:42] <zzarr> I run a stable release on it (OTA-6)
[17:50] <anpok> zzarr: well if you just want to test stuff you can make the system image writable and apt-get install xmir
[17:50] <zzarr> okey
[17:50] <anpok> but I dont know whether the pixelformat issues were resolved yet
[17:50] <anpok> robert_ancell who just left would know better
[17:50] <zzarr> how do I test it?
[17:50] <zzarr> okey
[17:51] <anpok> you would start an Xmir instanec with: Xmir :0 -damage -mirSocket /run/user/<id>/mir_socket -mirAppId app-dialer
[17:52] <anpok> oops
[17:52] <anpok> s/mirAppid/mir
[17:52] <anpok> and then launch an application with DISPLAY=:0 some_application
[17:52] <zzarr> okey, thanks :)
[17:53] <anpok> then what could possibly happen .. since there is no x window manager involved you get odd looking windows (you could launch something like unity7 though.. )
[17:53] <anpok> and you application might try to access stuff that is not allowed in ubuntu touch
[17:54] <zzarr> okey
[17:54] <zzarr> can I use a chrooted environment?
[17:54] <anpok> there is also a project called libertine that does exactly that with a container
[17:54] <anpok> and ChrisTownsend and bregma work on that right now.
[17:54] <zzarr> nice
[17:57] <bregma> XMir on the phones is still problematic:  color format support and stray GLX calls are some of the problems
[17:58] <ogra_> not to mention that it will trash your install :)
[17:58] <anpok> color format is a recurring issue
[17:58] <ogra_> (i.e. no proper upgrade mechanism after you installed debs ... needs re-flashing yadda yadda)
[17:58] <zzarr> in that case I'll skip it until it's fixed
[18:00] <zzarr> if it's not possible to run Xmir from a chroot (I think it's just a matter of bind mounting the correct file)
[18:03] <anpok> i would think so too
[18:04] <anpok> cairo on the phone has that color format issue too... we need a abgr support .. or was it bgra
[18:04] <anpok> and of course what ogra_  said..
[18:05] <ogra_> well, chroot might work. lxc container too ... (though i think you cant run lxc as user)
[18:05] <zzarr> yes, sounds like what we need
[18:06] <zzarr> ogra_, when's the next OTA?
[18:06] <ogra_> zzarr, no idea :)
[18:07] <zzarr> okey
[18:08] <bregma> usermode LXC won't work on the phone because it requires a much newer kernel
[18:09] <zzarr> okey, ogra_ if I change password, will that do something nasty to my pincode?
[18:09] <ogra_> you mean from cmdline ?
[18:09] <zzarr> yes
[18:10] <ogra_> yeah, that would likely break ... you can switch the system to pw auth via the UI ... that should work then
[18:10] <zzarr> okey
[18:10] <zzarr> or is there a better way to make a ssh login possible with password?
[18:10] <ogra_> the UI needs to know the auth method ... while the actual password db is used the UI wont give you the right input if you just change it underneath
[18:11] <ogra_> oh
[18:11] <ogra_> that wont work unless you hack the sshd setup
[18:11] <ogra_> it is hardcoded to key auth
[18:11] <zzarr> I can't change /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
[18:12] <ogra_> that is readonly and gets reverted on upgrade ...
[18:12] <zzarr> okey
[18:12] <ogra_> we set the configs in the ssh.override upstart job (but that will also be reverted on upgrade if you change it)
[18:12] <ogra_> why not use a key ?
[18:13] <ogra_> thats a lot safer
[18:13] <zzarr> okey, how do I do that?
[18:13] <ogra_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[18:13] <zzarr> thanks
[18:18] <zzarr> I know I have asked before, but where's the wishlist for phone?