| sil2100 | o/ | 15:00 |
|---|---|---|
| barry | \o | 15:00 |
| cyphermox | o/ | 15:00 |
| infinity | *oontz oontz oontz* | 15:01 |
| * slangasek waves | 15:01 | |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 15:02:05 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:02 |
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| slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 15:02 |
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| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx) | 15:02 |
| slangasek | barry tdaitx sil2100 doko caribou robru cyphermox bdmurray pitti infinity slangasek | 15:02 |
| barry | \o/ | 15:02 |
| barry | more py35 stuff. cmd2 0.6.8-0ubuntu1; LP: #1491888; LP: #1488175; LP: #1491620 & Debian bug #797840; pycparser 2.14+dfsg-2; pytest 2.7.3-1; mugshot -.3.0-0ubuntu4; python-future 0.15.2-1; LP: #1491878 & python-babel 1.3+dfsg.1-6; genshi 0.7-5; investigated pyke ftbfs (it's dead upstream afaict). | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1491888 in cliff "python-cliff 1.14.0 ftbfs with Python 3.5 in Wily" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491888 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1488175 in Autopilot "FTBFS on Wily" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488175 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1491620 in ply (Ubuntu) "ply 3.4-5 ftbfs with Python 3.5" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491620 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 797840 in src:ply "ply: Please upload ply 3.7, or wait for Python 3.5 compatibility" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/797840 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1491878 in python-babel (Ubuntu) "python-babel 1.3+dfsg.1-5 ftbfs in Wily" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491878 | 15:02 |
| barry | investigated LP: #1495688 & LP: #1495207 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1495688 in Ubuntu system image "system-image-cli tool fails on dangling symlink" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495688 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1495207 in system-image (Ubuntu) "BQ E4.5 (r24): after fine update to r25 system is reported as r-1 and as "never" updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495207 | 15:02 |
| barry | interviews | 15:02 |
| barry | --done-- | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | Current/Past | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - fixed JDK 7 TLS 1.2 and JDK 6 TLS 1.1 regressions; new webrevs are available | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - setup UMT locally; investigating sbuild charm to maybe try umt on canonistack | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - created MIR request for bats (LP: #1496050) | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - refactored JRuby 3310 PR (now closed), new PR 3331 has been proposed | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1496050 in bats (Ubuntu) "[MIR] bats" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496050 | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - squid3 FTBFS: fixed 2 of 3 issues (LP: #1496223); updated glibc to 2.22 for testing and then realized that the PPA would not use it | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1496223 in squid3 (Ubuntu) "squid3 FTBFS due to linux-libc-dev and libc6-dev headers mismatch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496223 | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - moving TCK to canonistack, learning and investigating how to create a charm to run it | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | Next steps | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - complete moving TCK to canonistack and run the full suite | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - FTBFS fixes and triaging | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | Waiting/On hold | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - waiting OCA to submit webrevs for 7093640 backport (set TLS 1.1 as default for JDK 6 and TLS 1.2 as default for JDK 7); not blocking anything for now, just waiting | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - headers mismatch between linux-libc-dev_4.2.0-10.11 and libc6-dev_2.21-0ubuntu4 causes squid3 to FTBFS (LP: #1496223); how to proceed? | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | (done) | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | Current/Past | 15:03 |
| pitti | tdaitx: UMT? | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - fixed JDK 7 TLS 1.2 and JDK 6 TLS 1.1 regressions; new webrevs are available | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - setup UMT locally; investigating sbuild charm to maybe try umt on canonistack | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - created MIR request for bats (LP: #1496050) | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - refactored JRuby 3310 PR (now closed), new PR 3331 has been proposed | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - squid3 FTBFS: fixed 2 of 3 issues (LP: #1496223); updated glibc to 2.22 for testing and then realized that the PPA would not use it | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - moving TCK to canonistack, learning and investigating how to create a charm to run it | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | Next steps | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - complete moving TCK to canonistack and run the full suite | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - FTBFS fixes and triaging | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | ugh, double paste! | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | Waiting/On hold | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - waiting OCA to submit webrevs for 7093640 backport (set TLS 1.1 as default for JDK 6 and TLS 1.2 as default for JDK 7); not blocking anything for now, just waiting | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | - headers mismatch between linux-libc-dev_4.2.0-10.11 and libc6-dev_2.21-0ubuntu4 causes squid3 to FTBFS (LP: #1496223); how to proceed? | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | (done) | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | ops, double post, sorry | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | twice done I would say | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | pitti, this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BuildEnvironment#Setting_up_and_using_UMT | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - First week after holidays! | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - Preparing meizu.zh re-releases for OTA-6 | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - Ubuntu-PD: | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | * Adding the pocket-desktop seed | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | * Releasing the new ubuntu-touch-meta with ubuntu-pocket-desktop | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | * Preparing livecd-rootfs for building ubuntu-pd images | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - appmenu-qt5: | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | * Preparing and testing initial version of Qt5 platformmenu shortcuts fix | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - RTM Status meetings | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - Updating seeds as per various requests | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - CI Train: | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | * Preparing quick-fix for archive permissions check | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | * Quick-fix for small issue with certain cases of merge & clean | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | - Investigating strange build failures in the CI Train | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | (done) | 15:04 |
| slangasek | no doko here; caribou | 15:05 |
| caribou | Bugfix: | 15:05 |
| caribou | - Bug #1434684 : not a bug | 15:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1434684 in corosync (Ubuntu Trusty) "Pacemaker is not started and stopped automatically with Corosync" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434684 | 15:05 |
| caribou | - CVE work with Pitti | 15:05 |
| caribou | - Bug #1494141 - haproxy 1.5 does not terminate | 15:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1494141 in trusty-backports "HAProxy 1.5 init script does not terminate processes" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1494141 | 15:05 |
| caribou | - Bug #1496317 Wily failed kdump crash | 15:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1496317 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "kexec fails with OOM killer with the current crashkernel=128 value" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496317 | 15:05 |
| caribou | - Bug #1469054 - SRUed fix for warning msg on Trusty | 15:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1469054 in makedumpfile (Ubuntu Trusty) "Unsupported kernel warning while running makedumpfile" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469054 | 15:05 |
| caribou | ☑ Done | 15:05 |
| bdmurray | robru is out right? | 15:06 |
| slangasek | robru is on vacation this week | 15:06 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | - still working on fwupdate. | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - reviewed, sponsored packages for Ubuntu-MATE | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - debugging + fix for LP: #1479213 in grub-installer (> 26 disk installs) | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - also the SRUs of the fix to trusty and vivid (in the queue now) | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1479213 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Trusty) "ISST-SAN: fsp-chip: Alpine: LE-UBUNTU 15.10: LPAR chip01 unable to install base OS due to inability to install the GRUB boot loader on hard disk" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479213 | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - SRU for network-manager LP: #1436330 | 15:08 |
| slangasek | tdaitx: bug #1496223 - a header mismatch between libc6 and linux-libc-dev is a bug in those packages; open tasks against glibc and linux on that bug? | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - debugging unity-control-center issue | 15:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1496223 in squid3 (Ubuntu) "squid3 FTBFS due to linux-libc-dev and libc6-dev headers mismatch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496223 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1436330 in network-manager (Ubuntu Vivid) "Network Manager doesn't set metric for local networks any more, causing connection issues" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436330 | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - ubiquity: | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - fix crasher bug LP: #1495017 due to bad GetDevices() call. | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1495017 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Wily) "ubiquity crashed with permission error on NetworkManager GetDevices() call" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495017 | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - merged multiple fixes to autopilot tests from Dan Chapman | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - merged icon-theme fix for tests from Laney. | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - sponsored kbd fix for wily LP: #869017 | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - debugging grub-install issue in LP: #1487365 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 869017 in kbd (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu server enables screenblanking, concealing crashdumps (DPMS is not used)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869017 | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - reviewing LP: #1469143, LP: #1482851 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1487365 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu14.04 .3 RAID installation fails on firestone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1487365 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1469143 in multipath-tools (Ubuntu) "kpartx -d fails with image paths longer than 63 characters" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469143 | 15:08 |
| tdaitx | infinity, relatime since 8.04? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#line-84 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1482851 in os-prober (Ubuntu) "Windows 10 is detected as Windows 8" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482851 | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | - continuing on fixing up ibmpmlinux upload. | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | (done) | 15:08 |
| pitti | cyphermox: ah, so NM didn't actually change API in GetDevices(), but the call in ubiquity was wrong all along? | 15:08 |
| tdaitx | slangasek, will do, thanks =) | 15:08 |
| cyphermox | oh, and I forgot, some citrain babysitting | 15:09 |
| infinity | tdaitx: Yeah, I came to the same conclusion, so my issue is elsewhere. :P | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | updated retracer.py not to log the swift token as it is noisy in the logs | 15:09 |
| cyphermox | pitti: nah, it didn't change, the call was wrong all along (or incomplete, at lest) | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | investigation into lcy01 incident and retracers disappearing | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | research into how to debug rabbitmq | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | documented issue with rabbitmq, emailed people about it | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | create a flow chart of retracer actions | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | investigation into / fix of retraces being stuck on old core files (RT 84666) | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | found out the issue was with the retracers double ack'ing cores in some cases :-| | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | tested / fixing retracing of the failed_queues (adding retracers on hold until lcy01 back) | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | resolved (r677) issues with retracer's handling of old core files that don't exist in swift | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | submitted RT regarding updating apport on staging (fixing LP: #1487174) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1487174 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-retrace's build sandbox routine carries on if it can't find the package for an ExecutablePath" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1487174 | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | set up retracer and charm to use a command line option for the location to store core files | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | spent time trying to square away my canonistack retracers (seems like a juju failure) | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | added an apport hook for shim signed (LP: #1490030) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1490030 in shim-signed (Ubuntu) "shim-signed should include an apport hook applying to shim and shim-signed source packages" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1490030 | 15:09 |
| bdmurray | research into supporting Trusty to Vivid upgrades (found LP: #1258639) | 15:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1258639 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Saucy) "need to support upgrades from 12.10 to 13.10" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258639 | 15:10 |
| bdmurray | sponsored live-build upload for sil2100 | 15:10 |
| bdmurray | ✔ done | 15:10 |
| sil2100 | bdmurray: \o/ thanks! | 15:10 |
| pitti | autopkgtest: Teach britney and autopkgtest about supporting running kernel-related tests (DKMS, LXC, etc.) on multiple kernels. This requires keeping track of test triggers, calculating/triggering reverse dependencies on supported architectures only, some rewiring of britney's logic, exposing runtime kernel information in the results, etc. We are 90% there, then we have fully automatic regression | 15:10 |
| pitti | testing on all supported releases and kernels. While painful, this also led to some much more robust concepts and code in britney. | 15:10 |
| pitti | apport: Work on yet undisclosed security issue | 15:10 |
| pitti | misc: | 15:10 |
| pitti | - fix broken chef, puppet, and crash autopkgtests | 15:10 |
| pitti | - python-dbusmock: Review/merge pete-wood's NetworkManager template improvement, land it in all places | 15:10 |
| pitti | - Update SRU policy proposals, send new proposals to TB list | 15:10 |
| pitti | ^D | 15:10 |
| sil2100 | I now need to get the livecd-rootfs hack back for the overlay... | 15:10 |
| infinity | - Kernel SRU wrangling | 15:10 |
| infinity | - Planning release sprint | 15:10 |
| infinity | - Hunting glibc test regressions | 15:10 |
| infinity | - Fixed a dpkg trigger loop in software-center | 15:10 |
| infinity | - More s390x meetings, planning, and bootstrapping | 15:10 |
| infinity | (done) | 15:10 |
| slangasek | * interviews | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * s390 recruiting attempts | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * a bit of cdimage handholding for a snappy image release | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * discussions about how to help get juju-core into main for 15.10 | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * minor consulting on the pocket desktop seed | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * next week: | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * out on vacation | 15:12 |
| slangasek | (done) | 15:12 |
| slangasek | questions on status? | 15:12 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] team sprint | 15:14 |
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| slangasek | just a quick status update for everyone | 15:14 |
| slangasek | planning on this is still in progress.. we are still targeting the first week in November | 15:14 |
| caribou | during UOS ? | 15:15 |
| slangasek | however it looks like we'll probably move continents, Bluefin is already booked up that week | 15:15 |
| slangasek | caribou: correct | 15:15 |
| barry | slangasek: awesome, i've never been to antartica! | 15:15 |
| infinity | slangasek: Asia? :) | 15:15 |
| slangasek | trolls, I'm surrounded by trolls | 15:15 |
| sil2100 | Asia would be nice | 15:15 |
| slangasek | so, we're looking at locations in the US | 15:15 |
| * bdmurray weeps | 15:15 | |
| infinity | Boourns. | 15:15 |
| caribou | yep was a good Rock group | 15:16 |
| slangasek | as soon as we have something locked in, you'll get an email | 15:16 |
| cyphermox | :/ | 15:16 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:16 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| slangasek | anything else today? | 15:16 |
| infinity | I suppose I should have done the stgraber thing and announced my upcoming travel. | 15:17 |
| infinity | I'll be in SF for Connect next week, and in Detroit for $reasons the week after (working, though). | 15:17 |
| pitti | US> bummer for conf overlap with Berlin :/ | 15:17 |
| bdmurray | I'll be out at a conference a couple of days (W, Th) next week. | 15:17 |
| slangasek | infinity: yeah, doko is there next week too | 15:18 |
| infinity | slangasek: Connect, I hope, not Detroit. The latter could get awakward. | 15:18 |
| infinity | awkward, too. | 15:18 |
| * slangasek gives infinity an awk award | 15:18 | |
| * infinity goes awakward toward all the waks. | 15:19 | |
| cyphermox | are there sed awards too? | 15:19 |
| infinity | cyphermox: The sed award is usually "you should have used awk". | 15:19 |
| slangasek | infinity: heresy | 15:19 |
| infinity | I stand by it. | 15:19 |
| slangasek | right, anything else? | 15:20 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 15:21:14 2015 UTC. | 15:21 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-17-15.02.moin.txt | 15:21 |
| barry | thanks! | 15:21 |
| slangasek | thanks! | 15:21 |
| infinity | *wave* | 15:21 |
| tdaitx | thanks =) | 15:21 |
| caribou | thanks! | 15:21 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 15:21 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 15:22 |
| * popey looks around for a community council | 17:04 | |
| * mhall119 is here | 17:04 | |
| mhall119 | #startmeeting CC catchups | 17:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 17:04:27 2015 UTC. The chair is mhall119. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:04 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:04 |
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| cprofitt | hello all | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | so dpm (and I) are in a call right now, so the community team catchup might be short | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | and dholbach is already EOD | 17:06 |
| popey | uh | 17:06 |
| popey | i think you are looking at the wrong date | 17:06 |
| popey | [M#xQKubuntu Council 17:00UTC 17th September / Membership Board 17:30UTC 17th September | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | ah, so I am, need to update the wiki page | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | Kubuntu Council first then | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | yofel: ping | 17:07 |
| * mhall119 doesn't see anybody else form the KC here | 17:08 | |
| cprofitt | I know we have new KC members | 17:08 |
| * elacheche is wondering why there is wrong informations in here → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda#Membership_candidates | 17:08 | |
| mhall119 | I think we've got a hangout scheduled for them sometime soon too | 17:08 |
| popey | elacheche: its a wiki, fix it :) | 17:08 |
| yofel | next wednesday I believe | 17:09 |
| mhall119 | yeah, just really outdated info | 17:09 |
| yofel | you have a meeting now? | 17:09 |
| mhall119 | yofel: we had a regularly scheduled catchup scheduled for today | 17:09 |
| elacheche | I'll do that :) Just let's finish this meeting :D And it's on my ToDo :) | 17:09 |
| popey | \o/ | 17:09 |
| mhall119 | but we can postpone it since we already have another scheduled | 17:09 |
| popey | thanks elacheche | 17:09 |
| elacheche | :) | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | #topic Membership Board catchup | 17:10 |
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| yofel | mhall119: lets do that then, thanks | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | yofel: no problem | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | popey: are you here to represent the membership board? | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | anyone else from the MB here? | 17:10 |
| popey | me and some others | 17:10 |
| elacheche | Ok then.. I think that am the only one from MB! As the meeting is supposed to be after 20min :) | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | elacheche as well | 17:11 |
| popey | Yeah, we sent a reminder to the RMB that it's at 17:30 UTC | 17:11 |
| mhall119 | popey: who many membership applications have you guys had in the past cycle? (estimates okay) | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | ah, we need to fix that on our agendas | 17:11 |
| popey | Dunno if everyone is available | 17:11 |
| popey | half a dozen or so | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | it rarely is at :30, usually just goes with the flow of the meeting | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | half dozen for both time slots? | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | popey: how many have been approved? Are you getting good quality applications? | 17:12 |
| elacheche | mhall119, define "cycle"? → I'm from the new members in the board.. | 17:12 |
| popey | elacheche: 6 months | 17:12 |
| popey | between releases | 17:13 |
| popey | (or between now and the last time we spoke to the CC) | 17:13 |
| elacheche | I don't have that infromation, I can chekc the LP group to have it.. | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | elacheche: it's ok, popey told us :) | 17:13 |
| * wxl wakes up | 17:13 | |
| pleia2 | hey wxl | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | hi wxl | 17:13 |
| * wxl waves | 17:13 | |
| elacheche | I was about to ping you wxl :D | 17:14 |
| wxl | i don'/t know why i didn't have this in my calendar | 17:14 |
| cprofitt | elacheche: good to see you are eager to learn all of this. Glad to have you on the board. | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | what areas of the project have the recent applicants been coming from? | 17:14 |
| wxl | my guess is that this hapepned before i took a place on the board | 17:14 |
| elacheche | Thx cprofitt :) | 17:14 |
| wxl | mhall119: kind of all over, but there have been at least a couple canonicals, so you folks at HQ are doing a good job XD | 17:14 |
| pleia2 | that's good to hear | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | wxl: nice :) | 17:15 |
| popey | 10 since april, 17 since january (better numbers than my 'half a dozen' plucked from the air) | 17:15 |
| elacheche | mhall119, yeah there was some canonical people applying.. It was good to see them interested to the community | 17:15 |
| popey | +1 | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | elacheche: agreed | 17:15 |
| wxl | they also seem legitimately engaged with the community, as well, which was good | 17:15 |
| elacheche | yep | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | any problems or blockers that the CC can help you with? | 17:16 |
| elacheche | The add of a 3rd slot was a good move as well! | 17:16 |
| popey | I have noticed a few of the new people are young, which is good to see too. | 17:16 |
| cprofitt | elacheche: yes, it is good to see Canonical employees taking an interest in the community. | 17:16 |
| * wxl nods | 17:16 | |
| wxl | actually i've been mentoring a 13 year old who's really fantastic | 17:16 |
| popey | \o/ | 17:17 |
| wxl | mhall119: off hand, i can't really think of anything we're struggling with currently | 17:17 |
| wxl | you guys? | 17:17 |
| popey | No, the process works, people turn up and we do our job. | 17:17 |
| * wxl nods | 17:17 | |
| pleia2 | glad to hear | 17:17 |
| wxl | applications have been strong, too | 17:17 |
| popey | The thing we do slip up on sometimes is 1) adding people to ~ubuntumembers and 2) telling the news team | 17:17 |
| popey | 1) is somewhat more critical than 2) | 17:17 |
| wxl | "somewhat" XD | 17:18 |
| popey | I think we just need to nail down who chairs each meeting and they have the responsibility of doing the admin afterwards | 17:18 |
| pleia2 | people really do like seeing their name in the newsletter when they become a member | 17:18 |
| elacheche | Yeah popey.. Sometimes I see get email notification about 1) and don't know who did that | 17:18 |
| wxl | perhaps we should work out a rotation, popey ? | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | popey: show is the chair currently selected, just whomever is there? | 17:18 |
| elacheche | I mean what board did it | 17:18 |
| popey | wxl: yeah, I'd be up for that | 17:18 |
| popey | mhall119: yeah, people have basically just put their hand up for it | 17:18 |
| popey | we haven't forced anyone to chair | 17:19 |
| popey | 17:19 | |
| popey | 17:19 | |
| popey | yet | 17:19 |
| mhall119 | rotating is a good idea, people would know ahead of time when it's their turn | 17:19 |
| popey | be good to have rotation, I agree wxl | 17:19 |
| popey | they can be responsible for the reminder email too. | 17:19 |
| wxl | ok let's see if we can set something up by email | 17:19 |
| wxl | yes! | 17:19 |
| popey | we could add the chair to the wiki so everyone knows | 17:19 |
| wxl | yeah that's a great idea | 17:19 |
| popey | ok, I'll take an action to do that | 17:20 |
| wxl | thank you | 17:20 |
| popey | np | 17:20 |
| wxl | maybe we should include an unlinked wiki page that documents what needs to be done | 17:20 |
| wxl | for us noobs :) | 17:20 |
| mhall119 | do we have any set goals for the number of new members in the next cycle, and if not what do you think about setting such a goal? | 17:21 |
| elacheche | Kilos, we started with CC :) | 17:21 |
| Kilos | sorry for being late all | 17:21 |
| PabloRubianes | I m late too | 17:22 |
| wxl | mhall119: i think it may be hard within the council to actually affect progress towards that goal, but it's a great idea. might encourage us to do some outreach and mentor people to be mentors to the people in their community | 17:22 |
| cprofitt | no problem Kilos and PabloRubianes we know that volunteers and international time zones do not always make it easy to make meetings. | 17:22 |
| elacheche | mhall119, we never discussed to set a members number as a goal.. | 17:22 |
| popey | Yeah, seems an odd thing to do. | 17:22 |
| cprofitt | wxl: we need to keep goals attainable | 17:22 |
| popey | I mean, I can see why we might as a _project_ do that | 17:23 |
| wxl | +1 popey | 17:23 |
| popey | and we would obviously help participate in that | 17:23 |
| elacheche | We have some propostitions about 2 UOS session | 17:23 |
| mhall119 | wxl: it would be just on the membership boards to reach those goals either, but a goal would give us somethign to take to other project teams | 17:23 |
| cprofitt | attaining a number of new members is not something that should be made a goal. | 17:23 |
| popey | it could be abused by us | 17:23 |
| popey | we would go round looking for any flotsam and jetsam to keep our numbers | 17:23 |
| wxl | true | 17:23 |
| cprofitt | a better goal would be to set goals with regards to making people aware of membership and all the mechanisms to obtain it | 17:23 |
| popey | Sounds like the CC should have that goal :) | 17:24 |
| mhall119 | it could be, but it could also help us give membership more focus as a whole, across the Ubuntu project | 17:24 |
| wxl | and i think we've been working on that cprofitt | 17:24 |
| cprofitt | wxl: that is measurable and attainable | 17:24 |
| elacheche | mhall119, popey, belkins suggested 2 sessions during the next UOS → The first one is a "meet and greet" session where we introduce ourselves and answer questions that may come up (and also requests for feedback on their wiki pages, ect). I don't care if this session is done on IRC only. It might be the best idea for everyone. | 17:24 |
| elacheche | The second and final idea is do another session like in the last UOS where we discussed ideas on how to increase Membership within. | 17:24 |
| wxl | for example, belkinsa and i worked together to brainstorm ideas that lead to changes to the membership wiki about social capital benefits of membership https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Benefits | 17:24 |
| PabloRubianes | as we are getting fewer candidates, having a goal is not gonna fix that | 17:24 |
| wxl | based on feedback we got from contributors that didn't feel motivated to get their membership | 17:25 |
| mhall119 | elacheche: I like that idea | 17:25 |
| cprofitt | wxl good stuff... | 17:25 |
| elacheche | We will fix the Ubuntu Members map as well.. It's outdated.. I promised to work on it asap | 17:25 |
| cprofitt | perhaps setting a goal of producing 'x' number of promotional items - such as creating a Youtube video about membership or something else that reaches out to Ubuntu users who are not members. | 17:26 |
| cprofitt | those I think are excellent goals and are attainable and measurable. | 17:26 |
| wxl | cprofitt: again that sounds more like something that would make a nice project, though, rather than a goal, as popey said | 17:26 |
| cprofitt | elacheche: the sessions at UOS would be valuable too. | 17:26 |
| cprofitt | the goal would be to produce 'x' resources | 17:27 |
| * elacheche nods | 17:27 | |
| mhall119 | cprofitt: that sounds more like a work item, not a goal | 17:27 |
| cprofitt | the Youtube was an example of a specific item that would be counted towards reaching the goal. | 17:27 |
| wxl | thanks for putting my idea into works, mhall119 | 17:27 |
| wxl | s/idea/thought/ | 17:27 |
| popey | Are there any goals else where in the project? Number of MOTU developers? Number of translators? | 17:27 |
| cprofitt | I do not want to derail this discussion on goals... | 17:27 |
| popey | Would seem a bit lop-sided to aim for more members, but not look at the other areas too. | 17:27 |
| cprofitt | http://www.hr.virginia.edu/uploads/documents/media/Writing_SMART_Goals.pdf | 17:28 |
| mhall119 | popey: agreed, I'd like to set more goals across all of those metrics | 17:28 |
| cprofitt | a good resrouce for goals. | 17:28 |
| popey | mhall119: set that as a goal for you, "[mhall119] More goals" | 17:28 |
| mhall119 | ok, so it sounds like I should bring this up within the CC first, and then break it down to sub-teams | 17:28 |
| wxl | HHAHAHAH | 17:28 |
| popey | +1 | 17:28 |
| wxl | seriously, though, i think that would be wise | 17:28 |
| * cprofitt nods | 17:29 | |
| cprofitt | I agree. | 17:29 |
| wxl | i have no reservations about setting goals, but as cprofitt said they need to be both measurable and attainable | 17:29 |
| mhall119 | ok, that's all I have for the membership boards | 17:31 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: cprofitt czajkowski anything else? | 17:31 |
| cprofitt | Just remind everyone about the upcoming election for the CC | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | all good | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | thanks for coming :) | 17:31 |
| popey | \o/ | 17:31 |
| elacheche | o/ | 17:31 |
| Kilos | o/ | 17:32 |
| cprofitt | We need people to nominate qualified people to take positions on the CC | 17:32 |
| mhall119 | thanks everyone | 17:32 |
| mhall119 | and we will see the KC next week(?) | 17:32 |
| yofel | sure, most of us will try to be there if possible | 17:32 |
| wxl | i wouldn't mind joining the cc, too, but i don't knwo if that's reasonable considering i'm on subboards | 17:32 |
| PabloRubianes | ohh a notice to the CC, from the LC | 17:32 |
| mhall119 | thanks yofel | 17:32 |
| wxl | is there an LC catch up upcoming PabloRubianes ? | 17:32 |
| mhall119 | #topic open | 17:32 |
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| PabloRubianes | we are having a call for new members soon (maybe today) | 17:33 |
| PabloRubianes | as jose and sergio are expiring next month | 17:33 |
| popey | uh, that's fun, cc and lc expiring together | 17:33 |
| PabloRubianes | wxl: no, but as we are here I let them know :P | 17:33 |
| popey | I'd argue if jose and sergio are up for it, extend them for ~3 months so it doesn't overlap with cc election | 17:33 |
| cprofitt | PabloRubianes: thanks for letting us know | 17:33 |
| mhall119 | thanks PabloRubianes | 17:33 |
| wxl | i get the feeling jose is done popey | 17:34 |
| popey | :( | 17:34 |
| wxl | and i dont' hear/see from sergio much at all | 17:34 |
| jose | unfortunately, I'm not going to reapply | 17:34 |
| wxl | popey: just because he's busy with school, you know? | 17:34 |
| jose | and Sergio is now AWOL | 17:34 |
| wxl | oh there he is, he can speak for himself :) | 17:34 |
| jose | hehe :) | 17:34 |
| mhall119 | ok, we'll put out a call for nominations | 17:34 |
| popey | ok | 17:34 |
| jose | also, is it possible to get it back to 6 members? | 17:34 |
| jose | we got it up to 7 because there were too many people away | 17:35 |
| jose | but I think things are way more stable now | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | that makes sense | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | we can always bump it up again if there's a problem | 17:35 |
| PabloRubianes | +1 on 6 members | 17:35 |
| jose | wxl? | 17:36 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: cprofitt: who wants to put out the call for LC nominations? | 17:36 |
| wxl | jose: +1 | 17:36 |
| popey | jose: thanks for all your work on the LC! | 17:36 |
| wxl | i agree, jose, thank you | 17:36 |
| pleia2 | I can't commit to doing it today, but we'll see about getting it out | 17:37 |
| jose | it's my pleasure :) | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | ok, we'll work that out ourselves | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | any other business? | 17:37 |
| Kilos | one question peeps | 17:37 |
| Kilos | any of the existing cc members available for the next 2 years | 17:38 |
| Kilos | ? | 17:38 |
| mhall119 | Kilos: ? | 17:38 |
| Kilos | i mean does expiring meean they gone or will some reapply | 17:39 |
| mhall119 | Kilos: you'd have to ask us individually | 17:39 |
| Kilos | ah | 17:39 |
| popey | They have to be nominated (after being asked if they want to stand again) | 17:39 |
| wxl | would it be a conflict if i joined the cc while still remaining on a subboard? | 17:40 |
| popey | No | 17:40 |
| popey | At one point in the past I was on the LoCo Council, Membership Board and CC at the same time ;) | 17:40 |
| jose | what do you mean by a subboard? | 17:40 |
| wxl | yeah well that's kind of how it would be for me popey :) | 17:40 |
| wxl | jose: MB, LC | 17:40 |
| popey | the only advice I'd say is don't overcommit and burn out | 17:40 |
| * wxl nods | 17:40 | |
| wxl | well, as always, thanks CC | 17:41 |
| wxl | and thanks to all of you wonderful MB folks as well | 17:41 |
| wxl | and the few of you LC people | 17:41 |
| wxl | and… | 17:41 |
| wxl | ☺ | 17:41 |
| mhall119 | thanks everyone | 17:41 |
| Kilos | thank you wxl | 17:42 |
| mhall119 | anything else before I end the meeting? | 17:42 |
| Kilos | ty mhall119 | 17:42 |
| mhall119 | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 17:46:27 2015 UTC. | 17:46 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-17-17.04.moin.txt | 17:46 |
| mhall119 | thanks again everyone | 17:46 |
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