[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <slo> Mornings
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[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Apple Dumpling Day! 😃
[10:18] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, so, does it sound like the MPRIS controls can land now that there are fixes for the ff/rew buttons?
[10:19] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, or, fundamentally, do we need to wait for the dash previews or something?
[10:19] <john-mcaleely> abeato, ^
[10:19] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: we have to land the mpris and ui fixes together
[10:21] <john-mcaleely> ui, being the ff/rew fixes xavi is trying to test now?
[10:21] <john-mcaleely> it seems this is a perpetual circle. No one can land anything until something else is landed, which is waiting for the thing to land
[10:21] <john-mcaleely> sigh
[10:24] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: Yeap Multimedia is a mess.  But I think Jim in his state of play email told everyone to use silo55 so it could all land together, But I can install 2 silos and land them together
[10:25] <john-mcaleely> is xavi on freenode?
[10:25] <popey> davmor2: did that mail go to the music app guys?
[10:26] <davmor2> popey: no this was general stuff for mpris rather than the playlist stuff.  Playlist in the music app can land anytime as I understand it
[10:26] <davmor2> popey: not sure what mpris stuff the music app needs to land
[10:27] <davmor2> popey: but as I understand it the apps can land after and then resolve any issues in the element that is broken once everything is landed.
[10:28] <davmor2> popey: the important ones for the ui indicator changes and the mpris enablement aiui
[10:28] <davmor2> s/for/were
[10:29] <john-mcaleely> hi xavigarcia :-)
[10:30] <xavigarcia> hi john-mcaleely :)
[10:30] <john-mcaleely> so, I think davmor2 has just said that when your indicator chanegs are in silo55, he can test it again
[10:30] <john-mcaleely> and then that silo can land
[10:30] <john-mcaleely> after that, two things will happen later:
[10:30] <john-mcaleely> - music app will complete development
[10:31] <john-mcaleely> - the dash previews can be warmed-over and landed
[10:31] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, ^ yes?
[10:31] <xavigarcia> ok... I'm waiting for my branch to get approved and will add it to the silo... I hope in a few hours after the US team wakes up
[10:31] <xavigarcia> I think you are right
[10:32] <john-mcaleely> xavigarcia, ok, that sounds like I just need some patience then :-)
[10:32] <john-mcaleely> thank you
[10:32] <xavigarcia> john-mcaleely: np... you can also test it using the build from the branch
[10:32] <xavigarcia> https://code.launchpad.net/~xavi-garcia-mena/indicator-sound/next-play-prev-buttons-bug-1373313/+merge/271114
[10:32] <xavigarcia> john-mcaleely: here's the link
[10:33] <john-mcaleely> thanks
[10:33] <xavigarcia> np!
[10:34] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: yeap kinda somes it up, so it sounds like xavigarcia 's changes stop the broken behaviour that we currently see where you can always press the skip forward back buttons and kill the app with a single item in the playlist. So then we can land those two fixes, that then frees up the other teams to complete their landings
[10:34] <john-mcaleely> phew
[10:37] <xavigarcia> davmor2: I hope so... the problem I have right now is that the MPRIS properties for CanGoNext and CanGoPrevious always return false
[10:37] <xavigarcia> davmor2: and also I don't get notification when a property change. That works fine on the desktop :/
[10:37] <xavigarcia> davmor2: so I suspect media-hub has some issues with MPRIS
[10:40] <abeato> xavigarcia, is it only the property changes for CanGoNext and CanGoPrevious what you do not receive?
[10:40] <abeato> is the rest of the properties working fine?
[10:40] <xavigarcia> abeato: nope, I don't get notification for any property
[10:41] <davmor2> xavigarcia: Everything currently is a single item in a playlist from my conversation with Jim before he went on holiday.  So in theory currently there is never a forward back option.  Once this lands and the scopes and music apps land with the playlist changes then we should see something different aiui
[10:41] <abeato> ouch
[10:41] <xavigarcia> abeato: CanPlay returns true, though, but I don't get the notification either
[10:41] <davmor2> oh that's different
[10:41] <abeato> xavigarcia, ok, so no property changed notification and zlso wrong values for CanGoNext and CanGoPrevious
[10:42] <abeato> *also
[10:42] <davmor2> xavigarcia: you have silo55 installed I assume?
[10:42] <xavigarcia> davmor2: ah, ok... that makes sense then. It would explain why the next and previous properties always return false
[10:42] <xavigarcia> davmor: yep
[10:43] <xavigarcia> davmor2: so the remaining thing would be why we don't get any property change notification
[10:43] <xavigarcia> davmor2: we need them as the state of the control buttons may change while playing... (at the end of the tracklist, beginning...etc)
[10:43] <davmor2> xavigarcia: that is one for abeato
[10:44] <xavigarcia> davmo2: ah, ok...
[10:44] <xavigarcia> abeato: ^^
[10:44] <abeato> xavigarcia, yep, noted
[10:44] <xavigarcia> cool
[10:44] <xavigarcia> thanks
[10:45] <davmor2> xavigarcia: Jim had a chat with me before he went on holiday so I had a heads up on the order of the landings as this was gonna be a pain in the arse of a landing :)
[10:45] <abeato> xavigarcia, anyway it will be good to have all what is needed for debugging in silo 55
[10:48] <xavigarcia> abeato, davmor2: ok, I will add my branch in silo 55 as soon as it gets approved... waiting for charles to wake up :)
[10:48] <abeato> xavigarcia, sure, thanks
[10:51] <abeato> xavigarcia, but taking into account what davmor2 says (only one item in the playlist for the moment), there will be no change notification for CanGoNext and CanGoPrevious. Which properties would you expect to see changes for in that case?
[10:52] <davmor2> abeato, xavigarcia: One question for the indicator, when playing does it switch to a pause icon now?
[10:53] <xavigarcia> abeato: there are other notifications
[10:53] <abeato> davmor2, not for me
[10:53] <xavigarcia> davmor2: it doesn't change right now... I'm not sure why... It changes ok on the desktop
[10:54] <xavigarcia> davmor2: But when we receive the notifications for the properties we can set whatever we need when pressing play
[13:28] <om26er> tedg, Hi!
[13:28] <om26er> tedg, I assume you worked on the power indicator, is there a way to enable/disable auto brightness from gsettings ?
[13:29] <tedg> om26er: Actually that was charles but I think there are docs in the test plan, let me look.
[13:31] <tedg> om26er: Hmm, no, that's all battery stuff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/indicator-power
[13:32] <om26er> tedg, oh, ok. I'll ask charles if he knowns of a call I should make
[13:32] <om26er> I have been trying to go through indicator-power' source but couldnt find anything useful
[13:32] <tedg> om26er: I imagine it's a call to upower
[13:32] <dobey> om26er: it's probably some property exposed from powerd
[13:32] <dobey> yeah
[14:03] <mterry> What is smartscopesproxy?  It's taking a lot of cpu reliably on rc-proposed
[14:04] <M0tty> Hi!
[14:07] <seb128> mterry, pstolowski might know?
[14:07] <mterry> seb128, I think I figured out what caused it (bad internet connection) -- will file a bug, but not the show-stopper I thought it might have been
[14:08] <seb128> mterry, well, things shouldn't eat cpu on poor connection
[14:08] <mterry> seb128, agreed!  still a bug  :)
[14:08] <seb128> yeah, an important one as well
[14:08] <seb128> when traveling you have not so good connection and that's when you don't want your battery to go flat
[14:09] <mterry> seb128, not poor connection, but like it was a 3g sim card with no data on it.  I bet it would do it for coffee shop wifi before you finish connecting too
[14:09] <M0tty> I have a bug referenced on launchpad #1442105 about gps. have you any solution to solve this issue?
[14:09] <mterry> stuff where it looks like you have internet, but you don't
[14:10] <seb128> right
[14:11] <seb128> 3g with no data is not that uncommon
[14:11] <seb128> so still worth fixing ;-)
[14:12] <pstolowski> mterry, it's a process which talks to smart scopes server (http) do deliver results for remote scopes such as amazon, ebay, 7digital and some others
[14:12] <mterry> seb128, I want it fixed!  :)
[14:15] <M0tty> I'm looking for a reporting bug application but ubuntu-bug is capricius
[14:15] <KUMKI> HELP
[14:15] <KUMKI> HELP
[14:15] <mterry> pstolowski, bug 1496875
[14:16] <mterry> M0tty, looks like people are working on that bug.  I'm not involved, but it doesn't look ignored to me
[14:16] <mterry> KUMKI, you ok?
[14:17] <KUMKI> FINE
[14:17] <KUMKI> YA
[14:18] <KUMKI> i need to change my mobile to ubuntu os mobile
[14:18] <KUMKI> help me
[14:19] <M0tty> Mterry, yes, but it seems some people have succeed to solve this issue ;-)
[14:19] <popey> KUMKI: you haven't actually asked a question yet
[14:19] <popey> KUMKI: just barking "HELP" at people isn't useful.
[14:19] <mterry> KUMKI, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[14:19] <KUMKI> k
[14:20] <KUMKI> i need basic hardware requirement for a mobile to change ubuntu os
[14:21] <KUMKI> i has local mobile
[14:22] <KUMKI> i  dosent judge what type of os installed on that mobile
[14:22] <KUMKI> it have mb size of memory on internal
[14:23] <KUMKI> what size of memory required to set kernal on that tuch mobile
[14:26] <KUMKI> help
[14:26] <popey> KUMKI: we have a set of devices which are supported
[14:26] <popey> !devices
[14:26] <popey> For other devices there needs to be work done to port.
[14:27] <popey> The lowest RAM device we have Ubuntu on is 1GB
[14:28] <pstolowski> mterry, thanks
[14:31] <MaTiZzzz> Hi, I noticed that when I set an alarm in the Clock App on my MX4, the alarm does not go off when the device is turned off. I epxected that it would wakeup the device. Does anyone has the same experience?
[14:34] <mcphail> MaTiZzzz: by "turned off", do you mean full power off?
[14:37] <MaTiZzzz> yes, completely shutdown
[14:38] <mcphail> MaTiZzzz: aah - haven't tried that. I think Android wakes up, doesn't it?
[14:41] <MaTiZzzz> thinks so. At least in the past with old skool Nokia's it was the case
[14:45] <mcphail> MaTiZzzz: if it doesn't work on Ubuntu, I don't know if that is a bug or a design choice
[14:57] <DanChapman> MaTiZzzz, mcphail: there's a bug filed for that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1420169
[14:58] <KUMKI> JOIN
[14:59] <KUMKI> I NEED BASIC System requirements
[15:00] <mcphail> DanChapman: cheers
[15:01] <MaTiZzzz> DanChapman: thanks, I will keep an eye on that bug.
[15:02] <mcphail> KUMKI: please take your time to compose a polite and comprehensible question in English. Then, if anyone knows the answer, they will be able to help you
[15:02] <KUMKI> system development for mobile phone upgrade as ubuntu
[15:04] <davmor2> KUMKI: The closest thing you get to minimum spec is https://insights.ubuntu.com/2013/02/15/get-the-faqs-about-ubuntu-on-smartphones/ but that will not be specific enough.  Other than that I don't think any can help you as such, if there isn't a port you would have to create one.
[15:05] <KUMKI> basic configuration required to construct a mobile with ubuntu os
[15:06] <KUMKI> hardware requirement for constructing android os
[15:06] <mcphail> KUMKI: you will need a mobile capable of running Android 4.x, and I'm sure Google have published minimum specs for that
[15:07] <KUMKI> ok
[15:07] <mcphail> KUMKI: you wil also need a device which already has android drivers, I think
[15:08] <KUMKI> i need to construct a new new device with ubuntu os
[15:08] <KUMKI> what is hardware based requirement for it
[15:09] <davmor2> KUMKI: You have been told.  It needs to be compatible with android 4.x
[15:10] <KUMKI> thanks
[15:10] <KUMKI> quit
[18:22] <taiebot> Is there problem with 7digital its been two days that the music scope does not show any results from 7digital?
[18:23] <beuno> taiebot, there is, we're working on fixing it
[18:23] <taiebot> beuno: Cool thank you
[18:24] <taiebot> beuno: do you know about if Nearby scopes will ever land on Nexus 4 ?
[18:24] <beuno> taiebot, I don't. I have a hunch it'll become available for all devices
[18:24] <beuno> but it's not more than a hunch  :)
[18:25] <taiebot> beuno: hopefully soon!! :)
[18:30] <ahoneybun> sadly the N4 is getting the short stick a bit
[18:30] <ahoneybun> at least we got the hotspot a bit before
[18:33] <kenvandine> ahoneybun: i sad to say the n4 is going to lose hotspot support in the next ota :(
[18:34] <kenvandine> just until the device specific bugs are resolved
[18:34] <ahoneybun> mm
[18:34] <ahoneybun> I know it does not work for me
[18:34] <kenvandine> right
[18:34] <ahoneybun> at least the one time I tried it
[18:34] <kenvandine> it works great on arale and krillin :)
[18:34] <kenvandine> it does bad things on the mako
[18:34] <kenvandine> sorry about that
[18:34] <ahoneybun> it makes the spot but it says the password is wrong for me
[18:34] <kenvandine> it's bugs lower in the stack
[18:35] <kenvandine> yeah, that's a wpa-supplicant bug
[18:35] <ahoneybun> it's just a spare phone atm anyway
[18:35] <kenvandine> we've since added support for insecure hotspots, which we thought would work well on mako
[18:35] <ahoneybun> not my daily
[18:35] <kenvandine> but turns out there are other issues even for insecure hotspots
[18:35] <kenvandine> so we had to blacklist the device for now
[18:36] <ahoneybun> thanks for the info kenvandine
[18:36] <ahoneybun> I think we have met
[18:36] <kenvandine> np, wish i wasn't passing along bad news :)
[18:36] <ahoneybun> at SELF
[18:37] <kenvandine> yup
[18:37] <kenvandine> we did
[18:40] <ahoneybun> nice
[18:40] <TonyBoston> I feel like I have seen some owncloud stuff on my ubuntu phone some time ago
[18:41] <TonyBoston> could this be true?
[18:44] <TonyBoston> I recall the ability to add an owncloud account on it
[18:44] <TonyBoston> or I may be totally wrong
[19:02] <taiebot> Going on holidays this week end \o/ unfortunately will have to get a second phone to make my UT working :'(  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1323837
[19:15] <old_benz2> hey y'all, I've got CWM built that works on my N7, where can I find the Ubuntu Touch CWM repo so I can merge?  Were there a lot of changes required for CWM for Ubuntu Touch?
[19:55] <Inoki> Hey everyone! I have the issue that I cannot transfer files from my Ubuntu 14.04.2 k3.16 to my E5. I tried several workarounds to no avail. I read somewhere that perhaps upgrading to a newer stack (k3.19) might help it? Is that true?
[21:07] <jgdx> ahoneybun, just to add to the hotspot discussion, insecure hotspot works for mako, but wpa goes crazy 1-3/10 times.
[22:15] <mterry> what is the process for pushing changes to the overlay ppa that aren't managed by CI?
[22:15]  * mterry can't recall the last time he did that