Azelphur | daftykins: virtual machine in libvirt with no other OS / partitions, it's stupid :P | 00:29 |
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daftykins | ah | 00:30 |
daftykins | funky | 00:30 |
daftykins | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Icy-Box-IB-254U3-Enclosure-interface/dp/B00GYLDDCG/ | 00:30 |
daftykins | i'm gonna get me one o' these to throw a lappy HDD in and make it my xbox one extra storage :> | 00:31 |
Azelphur | sounds fun | 00:31 |
Azelphur | daftykins: amusingly, I have piles of 3.5 inch enclosures laying about, I keep giving them away | 00:32 |
daftykins | with UASP? ;) | 00:33 |
zmoylan-pi | so you're giving homes to the homes of 3.5" devices... :-) | 00:33 |
Azelphur | daftykins: dunno | 00:33 |
daftykins | seems to be a pretty newish thing | 00:33 |
daftykins | not often present | 00:33 |
Azelphur | zmoylan-pi: indeed, I buy drives in enclosures because it's cheaper, then pull them out of the enclosures | 00:33 |
Azelphur | I've had 5 of them now | 00:33 |
daftykins | i did just remember i have my old array of 6 x 1TB doing nothing, but the idea of slapping two in an external 2 bay RAID thing for USB 3 would be noisy | 00:33 |
Azelphur | I have a 4x5TB array :) | 00:37 |
daftykins | eh i have main storage too, but i'm more thinking of what can be attached to the xbox one | 00:40 |
daftykins | since sadly you can't swap out the internal without encountering the wrath of breaking terms of service | 00:40 |
daftykins | they've just geared up to releasing a new 'elite' model like the 360 had, which comes with a 1TB SSHD =| | 00:41 |
daftykins | Azelphur: speaking of, presumably you meant you/your gf have an xbox one to pop on one of those 4K displays from earlier? | 00:41 |
daftykins | i hadn't even read anything about whether they properly upscale to it yet | 00:41 |
Azelphur | daftykins: xbox 360 actually, gf is considering getting an xbox one :) | 00:46 |
Azelphur | daftykins: the main appeal of it for that however is being a monitor, means lower latency for games while TVs generally have much higher latency | 00:48 |
daftykins | i think that'll be invalidated by the fact its' input lag and latency is based on being fed a 4K image | 00:49 |
daftykins | giving it a 360 will mean it'll output 1080p tops, so the inbuilt will be responsible for the upscaling | 00:49 |
daftykins | could end up... interesting :D | 00:49 |
Azelphur | daftykins: surely it'd be lower for a 1080p image | 00:49 |
daftykins | hmm? | 00:49 |
Azelphur | surely the latency would be lower for a 1080i (actually xbox is 1080i) image... | 00:50 |
daftykins | the xbox 360's scaler chip outputs the 1080p regardless | 00:50 |
Azelphur | daftykins: yea, but the latency on the monitor is gonna be lower than that of a tv. | 00:51 |
Azelphur | which is the point I'm making | 00:51 |
daftykins | i've got no data on that :D | 00:51 |
Azelphur | TVs have so high latency they generally don't even list it | 00:52 |
Azelphur | it's bad, some TVs (like the Seiki) is like 200ms+ | 00:52 |
daftykins | i don't think that's true across the board | 00:52 |
ali1234 | HDMI has no latency so the size of the picture isn't directly related to latency | 00:53 |
Azelphur | probably not but I challenge you to find a TV with its input latency listed in its spec | 00:53 |
zmoylan-pi | with all the numbers they throw around with new tvs i never hear latency mentioned | 00:53 |
daftykins | it is when the TV's built-in hardware has to scale it \o/ | 00:54 |
ali1234 | yes | 00:54 |
daftykins | zmoylan-pi: newp more of a gamer thing still | 00:54 |
zmoylan-pi | thank goodness for gamers driving down the prices of new tech :-) | 00:54 |
ali1234 | although if it is just doubling every pixel, that in theory could be done with no latency | 00:54 |
daftykins | but it never is since they add a tonne of image magic | 00:55 |
ali1234 | in TVs yeah | 00:55 |
diddledan | \o/ magic! | 00:55 |
ali1234 | not so much in monitors | 00:55 |
daftykins | woohoo! | 00:55 |
diddledan | TVs are awesome for ruining a movie's picture | 00:55 |
daftykins | speaking of magic, i must make my words disappear from your very eyes! | 00:56 |
daftykins | g'night all :D | 00:56 |
diddledan | :-o | 00:56 |
zmoylan-pi | o/ | 00:56 |
diddledan | but I just woke up! | 00:56 |
ali1234 | i should make a gadget to measure display latency | 00:56 |
ali1234 | i bet loads of gamers would buy it | 00:56 |
daftykins | www.displaylag.com might be of interest, heard it mentioned somewhere recently | 00:57 |
ali1234 | and i bet proper ones are expensive | 00:57 |
diddledan | gamers seem to obsess over 10ms vs 5ms | 00:57 |
ali1234 | i reckon i could do it on an arduino | 00:57 |
diddledan | 100ms is equivalent to "instant" in human scales | 00:57 |
ali1234 | no it isn't lol | 00:57 |
Azelphur | diddledan: indeed that's bad >.< | 00:58 |
zmoylan-pi | just put some static on a screen and you will see how sharp or blurred it is. | 00:58 |
Azelphur | diddledan: try playing a piano on 100ms | 00:58 |
Azelphur | I have, it's like being under the damned speech jammer | 00:58 |
ali1234 | it's more like 25ms +/- 10ms | 00:58 |
diddledan | google have measured it - they claim that if an effect occurs within 100ms of an action then people perceive it as instantaneous | 00:59 |
zmoylan-pi | i used to play a game on a stop watch at school. start and stop as fast as possible. i could easily to 7ms but after a few hours of playing spectrum games could occasionly get down to 3ms | 00:59 |
ali1234 | diddledan: for a single event, sure | 00:59 |
ali1234 | example given by azelphur of playing the piano is a good one. it's ver different when you're also dealing with delayed past events while entering new ones | 01:00 |
zmoylan-pi | of course this was in the day of joystick wagglers so very fast alternate keys was important | 01:00 |
ali1234 | and playing a game is more like playing the piano than "waiting for a website to do something" (which is i assume what google were testing) | 01:00 |
* diddledan waggles his joystick | 01:00 | |
diddledan | zmoylan-pi: your fault! | 01:00 |
zmoylan-pi | i blame daley thompsons decatholon | 01:01 |
diddledan | yeah webpage load was the thing google were measuring | 01:01 |
ali1234 | i was actually playing a video game the other day and got hit by this. had to click comething N times, but the game was lagging and the "click" sound effect actually being delayed made it almost impossible to click the right number of times | 01:02 |
zmoylan-pi | probably loading the click from hard drive... | 01:03 |
diddledan | it needs to save to disc on every click :-p | 01:03 |
diddledan | realtime world-saves ftw | 01:03 |
ali1234 | pretty much, it was a bloated minecraft world | 01:04 |
diddledan | hah | 01:04 |
ali1234 | java garbage collector sucks | 01:04 |
diddledan | minecraft is terrible for efficient working | 01:04 |
ali1234 | "let's never free anything until we hit the memory limit" | 01:04 |
ali1234 | i should make a website to demonstrate this effect | 01:05 |
diddledan | one such example is the requirement to load an entire chunk off the server even though you can't see it all | 01:05 |
ali1234 | "click the button 10 times" ... "you failed" | 01:05 |
diddledan | loaded just-in-case | 01:05 |
zmoylan-pi | they could learn about optimisation from 8bit games :-) | 01:05 |
ali1234 | diddledan: chunks aren't that big though... the bigger problem is java doesn't immediately free them when minecraft unloads them | 01:05 |
diddledan | yeah those 8bit programmers were true geniuses | 01:05 |
diddledan | cartridges forced strange methods of optimisation so I read | 01:06 |
zmoylan-pi | big blocks of memory are slow to unload when memory is completely full | 01:06 |
zmoylan-pi | there's a great video on the game elite and how they squashed all the game into a tiny amount of memory that is worth watching | 01:07 |
diddledan | I never have understood delayed garbage collectors on-top of the system memory allocator | 01:07 |
zmoylan-pi | draw the screen while loading the game then throw out that code and never overwrite those sections that are the ship | 01:08 |
diddledan | I get the point of delayed garbage collection by the system but to add it on-top of another memory allocator seems.. weird | 01:08 |
ali1234 | the logic is that some operating systems have really bad allocators, so you should write one that's a tiny bit better than the absolute worst, and then force everyone to use it | 01:08 |
diddledan | and that's why openssl is such a pig | 01:08 |
ali1234 | and firefox too | 01:08 |
ali1234 | openssl actually has a good reason, it needs to know for sure that freed memory is securely wiped | 01:09 |
ali1234 | oh and also Gtk+ has one of these things in it | 01:09 |
diddledan | they took that requirement as carte blanche to reimplement everything themselves tho | 01:09 |
zmoylan-pi | just because a language is bad doesn't mean you can't get coders who can't make it run efficently. it's just they cost a lot more | 01:09 |
ali1234 | it's not actually about the language... java has at least four different garbage collectors and i'm pretty sure on of them is "just directly use malloc and free" | 01:11 |
ali1234 | Gtk+ also has this as a debug option | 01:11 |
ali1234 | but it can cause programs to behave differently | 01:11 |
ali1234 | so you can't really use them in production | 01:11 |
zmoylan-pi | true but it does seem like they picked the best way to slow down a system :-) | 01:11 |
ali1234 | ah the crazy allocator is in glib of course, not Gtk+ | 01:14 |
=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
diddledan | catching-up on the last few episodes of "humans" - it's a really compelling story | 03:50 |
diddledan | just starting ep6 | 03:50 |
diddledan | nearly time for morning coffee methinks | 03:55 |
mapps | hello | 05:03 |
diddledan | morning | 05:12 |
mapps | 1 ep of izombie then bed | 05:43 |
mapps | gotta be up at midday | 05:43 |
mapps | picking up apartment keys at 12;30 water person coming t 1 ugh | 05:43 |
mapps | got loads to move too its a right hassle | 05:44 |
mapps | only diddledan up | 05:48 |
mapps | no zmoylan-pi lurking? | 05:48 |
mapps | :) | 05:48 |
diddledan | they're lightweights | 05:52 |
mapps | https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10296795_896313610394830_6540979153331699150_n.jpg?oh=5d77a32ea83c917bf15c9c6781219185&oe=5665A9BD | 05:54 |
mapps | lol | 05:54 |
mapps | how can someone who's a mum look and dress like that | 05:54 |
mapps | just looks cheap and nasty | 05:54 |
mapps | everytime i reactivate facebook i wonder if i should have | 05:54 |
diddledan | stupid americans - re the teenager who took a clock to school, a police person told media: "we attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only tell us that it was a clock" <-- turns out it was a clock | 06:15 |
mapps | lol | 06:15 |
mapps | who reported it | 06:15 |
diddledan | who'd have thunk a teenager telling the truth | 06:15 |
diddledan | a teacher called the cops on him | 06:15 |
diddledan | he has also been suspended for three days despite being proven to not be a muslim terrorist | 06:16 |
diddledan | criminal prosecution has not been ruled out | 06:16 |
mapps | because they saw him with a clock what like he was walking around with it? | 06:16 |
diddledan | he made it at home and took it to school to show his engineering teacher. a different teacher saw it and called the cops | 06:17 |
mapps | ah | 06:18 |
mapps | what a fool the teacher was | 06:18 |
diddledan | yeah but even so the authorities are prosecuting the kid even though it was a false alarm, and he also gets three days suspension from school because meh | 06:19 |
mapps | prosecuting him fr what | 06:20 |
mapps | must be some reason | 06:20 |
diddledan | there's a campaign site here https://www.standwithahmed.com/ | 06:20 |
diddledan | as far as I can tell they're prosecuting because cockmakers should be made examples of to deter future would-be clockakers | 06:21 |
diddledan | basically no reason whatsoever | 06:22 |
mapps | ah is that what that hashtag meant | 06:22 |
MartijnV1S | ooooooh! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p030s5bx | 07:03 |
=== MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS | ||
diddledan | ooh | 07:08 |
diddledan | that looks good | 07:08 |
MooDoo | morning all | 07:21 |
leecowdrey_ | Indeed it's a morning to you all too | 07:22 |
=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
foobarry | that clock story is bringing out the worst side of americans | 08:02 |
foobarry | all the comments as usual are polarised | 08:03 |
MartijnVdS | they have a different side? :P | 08:04 |
diddledan | teehee: https://twitter.com/WillMcAvoyACN/status/644260578156871680 | 08:04 |
zmoylan-pi | i wonder if the teacher will be prosecuted for wasting police time | 08:25 |
diddledan | hah | 08:25 |
diddledan | last I heard they're still prosecuting the kid | 08:25 |
zmoylan-pi | no all charges were dropped last i heard | 08:25 |
zmoylan-pi | the police said they did the right thing responding as they did and said it was a cool clock | 08:26 |
bashrc_ | I think that story shows that the "national security" mindsets turns adults into idiots who are either unwilling or unable to exercise critical judgement | 08:28 |
zmoylan-pi | i remember when some smart add phoned in a bomb scare during my schools leaving cert exams. they hoped to be able to look at a few books when the classes were evacuated. all that happened was a gardai came in and checked the classes out | 08:29 |
zmoylan-pi | *smart ass | 08:30 |
foobarry | this could have been resolved if english teachers knew more about science | 08:33 |
foobarry | or the headteacher actually spoke to the engineering teacher! | 08:33 |
zmoylan-pi | i think the teacher that he brought the clock in to show advised him to hide it which suggests he thought some of the other teachers wouldn't understand or were idiots | 08:36 |
jpds | zmoylan-pi: Possibly both | 08:36 |
MartijnVdS | Willful ignorance. | 08:36 |
zmoylan-pi | considering what they pay teachers can we expect any better? | 08:37 |
foobarry | pay is not related to ability | 08:37 |
jpds | What foobarry said | 08:37 |
zmoylan-pi | pay does decide the level of applicants to a large degree | 08:38 |
foobarry | living in texas does not immediately imply you are an inbred numpty | 08:38 |
foobarry | teaching is a vocation too | 08:38 |
foobarry | and pay is static across the board largely | 08:38 |
zmoylan-pi | imply no, hint yes | 08:38 |
diddledan | my sister is a teacher | 08:42 |
diddledan | so poo to you | 08:42 |
diddledan | she's awesome! | 08:42 |
zmoylan-pi | i've had great teachers and i've had teachers who were there just to punch a clock | 08:42 |
diddledan | my brother-in-law however is a business psychologist which means he's the enemy :-p | 08:43 |
jpds | zmoylan-pi: Puch a WHAT? | 08:43 |
Myrtti | and I've got a friend teaching science that genuinely thought that microwaving water made it bad | 08:43 |
diddledan | Myrtti: oh dear | 08:43 |
zmoylan-pi | they were there just to do the hours and get a pay cheque | 08:43 |
zmoylan-pi | and a teacher can be fantastic in one area and a complete idiot in another | 08:44 |
diddledan | there was a video I saw a couple days ago which had a teenage girl from an english speaking country that isn't the UK moaning about a language barrier when talking to someone in the UK | 08:45 |
diddledan | she also moaned about how the UK being closer to the sun must be the explanation as to why something is many pounds | 08:45 |
diddledan | (pounds as in cost - the english person responded to her quizzing the cost of something and she was bemused that he replied a weight) | 08:46 |
jpds | diddledan: "A pound of your flesh", very Shakespearian. | 08:47 |
diddledan | jpds: I bite my thumb at thee | 08:47 |
Myrtti | lol | 08:47 |
zmoylan-pi | i fart in your general direction | 08:47 |
diddledan | lol | 08:47 |
Myrtti | you all smell of elderberries | 08:47 |
diddledan | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy4zULKFDU | 08:47 |
diddledan | Myrtti: beat me | 08:48 |
diddledan | hmm, it's 10:00 and I'm already hungry | 08:57 |
* zmoylan-pi passes diddledan the bag of peanuts | 08:57 | |
diddledan | meh | 08:58 |
zmoylan-pi | covered in chocolate | 08:58 |
diddledan | meh | 08:58 |
zmoylan-pi | or dry roasted | 08:58 |
diddledan | now if they were raisens covered in chocolate..! | 08:58 |
zmoylan-pi | i'd banish you to the pits of hell for ruining good chocolate | 08:58 |
zmoylan-pi | :-) | 08:58 |
diplo | Whats the benefit of either creating a new Volume Group or Extending an existing one with logical volumes | 09:03 |
brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:03 |
diplo | I'm not sureon best practice ? | 09:03 |
diplo | I take it that adding to an existing volume group I can extend other pv's into that VG group where as if I create a new one only new PV's can be extended | 09:04 |
JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Apple Dumpling Day! 😃 | 09:10 |
* JamesTait is stubbornly refusing to turn on the heater. | 09:11 | |
diplo | JamesTait: I'm the same! I was actually cold last night.. but stubborness won out | 09:15 |
diplo | :) | 09:15 |
JamesTait | Same here, but I'm going to grab an extra jumper! | 09:18 |
diplo | 2 months to go for heating yet! | 09:18 |
diddledan | I've still got a window open :-p | 09:24 |
zmoylan-pi | i have windows open and fan running at night [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Mostly Cloudy | Temp: 12C/54F/285K/513R | Humidity: 82% | Wind Speed 8mph/13kmph | 09:25 |
diddledan | I like the fresh air this time of year when I'm in bed - it reminds me of a period where I felt content despite being in the throws of deep depression (the weather reminds me of being in an adolescent psyc unit) | 09:27 |
diddledan | I'm weird, what can I say :-p | 09:27 |
zmoylan-pi | you fit right in here :-) | 09:28 |
diddledan | teehee | 09:28 |
czajkowski | anyone looking for a new role https://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/98046/full-stack-python-javascript-engineer-for-seenitio | 09:55 |
Laney | just found a half eaten packet of pork scratchings downstairs | 09:56 |
Laney | BONUS | 09:56 |
* Laney chomps | 09:56 | |
MooDoo | RESULT | 09:57 |
davmor2 | SADDO's | 09:57 |
zmoylan-pi | before their expiry date? double bonus | 09:58 |
zmoylan-pi | :-) | 09:58 |
Laney | still crunchy | 09:59 |
popey | mmmm fried fat | 09:59 |
popey | http://drool.popey.com/ | 09:59 |
zmoylan-pi | nothing worse than soggy pork scratchings | 09:59 |
popey | _nothing_ on earth | 10:00 |
mapps | get my apartment keys in 20mins:D | 10:03 |
mapps | squash anyone! hah | 10:04 |
* diddledan sits on mapps | 10:04 | |
mapps | just hpe there's some unsecure wifi i can steal until my internet is connected | 10:04 |
diddledan | howsat for squish? | 10:04 |
mapps | there's places below me with it.. two cafes the gym and mcdonalds but no way they'd reach me (10th floor) | 10:04 |
diddledan | ouch | 10:05 |
diddledan | 10 floors is a long way up | 10:05 |
mapps | indeed | 10:05 |
diddledan | hopefully you've got a lift? | 10:05 |
zmoylan-pi | pringles can antennae? | 10:05 |
mapps | yep | 10:05 |
mapps | i should hope so for 1200 a month;p | 10:05 |
diddledan | zmoylan-pi: bonus is you get to eat the pringles first | 10:05 |
diddledan | mm nummy | 10:05 |
zmoylan-pi | nom nom, salt & vinegar pringles | 10:06 |
mapps | im off a week in november and december, might go to berlin november but december cant decide where would be nice around then | 10:06 |
davmor2 | JamesTait: I can't find an apple dumping song or a macdondalds apple pie volcano gif, so I'll go for this as it mentions Opples https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIqSlt9PXg | 10:06 |
zmoylan-pi | i haven't had a mcdonalds apple pie in decades... tempted... | 10:08 |
mapps | sheesh nor have i | 10:08 |
foobarry | mmm | 10:08 |
mapps | im eating out a lot..too much junk food | 10:08 |
foobarry | deep fried apple pie | 10:08 |
mapps | ate twice at the rubbish casino the other day heh | 10:08 |
zmoylan-pi | ate at the casino... that sounds like a gamble... :-) | 10:10 |
mapps | yea it's woeful | 10:11 |
mapps | burger bacon and cheese | 10:11 |
mapps | cold bacon cold cheese..yum | 10:11 |
mapps | but after 1am it's the only place..the kebab shops close midnight..1 stand in the square but 1am closed to | 10:11 |
mapps | *too | 10:11 |
zmoylan-pi | kebab shops that close at midnight... don't they understand that's the only time they sell kebabs?! | 10:12 |
mapps | :) | 10:12 |
zmoylan-pi | is there no site for gibraltar that lists all the takeouts in your area and times they're open? | 10:15 |
diddledan | sorry, but I feel this hasn't been posted recently enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y | 10:37 |
zmoylan-pi | sees your video and raises you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs | 10:39 |
bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:45 |
diddledan | bigcalm: he's not big, and he's not calm :-p | 11:32 |
bigcalm | Small yet perfectly formed | 11:32 |
diddledan | except that growth on your neck | 11:33 |
diddledan | oh that's your head :-p | 11:33 |
davmor2 | diddledan, zmoylan-pi: I see you videos and I raise you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC5eMgePakk | 11:41 |
bigcalm | diddledan: you're being rather rude for somebody I don't personally know. Please try not to be | 11:47 |
diddledan | sorry, I come across that way I guess | 11:51 |
diddledan | I promise I absolutely never ever mean offence with any of my utterances, even if I appear to the contrary | 11:52 |
diddledan | davmor2: dang that's trumpy! | 11:54 |
davmor2 | diddledan: trumpy is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ixAfJ1LuI | 11:54 |
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mapps | sleep time | 12:07 |
mapps | moved most my stuff in:D | 12:07 |
mapps | back at old place to get some more sleep :) | 12:07 |
=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
diddledan | when did I disappear? | 12:18 |
diddledan | apparently I just reconnected. random. | 12:18 |
popey | you haven't yet | 12:18 |
popey | i see no disconnect | 12:18 |
diddledan | yeah that'll be my local-to-znc connection that died then | 12:19 |
diddledan | bouncy bouncy czajkowski | 12:53 |
diddledan | OMG!!! http://www.gog.com/game/starship_titanic | 13:01 |
=== alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
davmor2 | diddledan: did you get my trupy is this video link? | 13:17 |
davmor2 | diddledan: also late addition to the Morning head songs today with Read all about it | 13:18 |
diddledan | yup I dead | 13:20 |
diddledan | did** | 13:21 |
diddledan | lol @ speelign | 13:21 |
Azelphur | Long shot, but copy and paste doesn't work between X screens, does anyone have a solution better than https://dpaste.de/6sRO ? | 14:38 |
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mapps | gah still tired | 15:33 |
mapps | ;[ | 15:33 |
* daftykins throws a funnel and a tall red bull at mapps | 15:35 | |
shauno | or just go back to bed :) | 15:35 |
* zmoylan-pi throws box of smarties with all the best e numbers for hyper activity at mapps | 15:36 | |
=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
mapps | gotta go gym morrisons etc move last bits over | 15:54 |
diddledan_ | morissons in gibraltar? | 15:54 |
mapps | why do all the morons put Gibraltar as where they live when they live in La Linea, clearly a big diff | 15:54 |
mapps | yea | 15:54 |
mapps | la linea is known as the a hole of spain | 15:54 |
mapps | it's like a bombs hit it--nothing like i imagined spain to be - had only been majorca not mainland spain before | 15:55 |
mapps | some days the shelves are empty diddledan as it all comes from uk | 15:55 |
diddledan_ | yeesh | 15:55 |
diddledan_ | that's sucky | 15:56 |
mapps | ya like they cant have deliveries on weekends | 15:56 |
mapps | sometimes like there will be no freh meat basically..even freh juice low...umm cooked meats etc | 15:57 |
daftykins | that's basically how our local supermarket chain has been getting :P | 15:59 |
daftykins | they sold their local warehouse so now everything is at the mercy of the seas for freight | 15:59 |
diddledan_ | daftykins: I guess it's an island thing | 15:59 |
daftykins | :D | 15:59 |
zmoylan-pi | it's a trick question gibraltar is a penninsula... :-P | 16:00 |
diddledan_ | o_O | 16:00 |
diddledan_ | I never knew | 16:00 |
daftykins | mapps: i bet you can walk around that thing in half an hour :P | 16:02 |
shauno | what, the morissons? | 16:02 |
diddledan_ | lol | 16:02 |
diddledan_ | morning shauno | 16:02 |
shauno | o/ | 16:03 |
daftykins | wow that graveyard and Church is right next to the runway | 16:16 |
daftykins | in Gibraltar | 16:16 |
Azelphur | getting this error in wine, "err:winediag:schan_imp_init Failed to load libgnutls, secure connections will not be available." but I've installed libgnutls >.> any ideas? | 16:28 |
diddledan_ | Azelphur: 64 vs 32bit? | 16:29 |
Azelphur | installed all the i386 packages I could find, too | 16:29 |
diddledan_ | with the :i386 notation for dual-stack or the legacy method packages? | 16:30 |
diddledan_ | (or similar) | 16:30 |
diddledan_ | I forget but it might just be :386 | 16:30 |
Azelphur | I just grabbed every libgnutls and libgnutls:i386 package I can find | 16:31 |
diddledan_ | hmm | 16:31 |
diddledan_ | that should do it :-/ | 16:31 |
daftykins | ldd shed any light? | 16:33 |
ali1234 | wow... so QNAP NAS units appear to have a nasty bug that completely corrupts your filesystem | 16:45 |
ali1234 | they used the EXT3 48 bit extents patch | 16:45 |
diddledan_ | \o/ | 16:46 |
ali1234 | it wwrites the block number as a u32 then a u16 | 16:47 |
daftykins | :S | 16:47 |
daftykins | got your kernel compiled then? :) | 16:47 |
ali1234 | u16 being the high bits | 16:47 |
ali1234 | but for some reason this qnap doesn't write that u16, possibly because it is always zero | 16:47 |
ali1234 | so then the high 16 bits of the block number get effectively randomized | 16:48 |
diddledan_ | so it didn't zero them it just left a random pointer dangling when handing off to the disk?! | 16:48 |
ali1234 | exactly yes | 16:48 |
diddledan_ | that's nuts | 16:48 |
ali1234 | and it only happens when there's more than four extents for a file | 16:48 |
ali1234 | extents = what you would call fragments | 16:49 |
ali1234 | so it only happens when your 1TB disk gets really full of important files | 16:49 |
daftykins | how many bay unit and what RAID config? | 16:49 |
ali1234 | it only has 1 disk in it | 16:49 |
ali1234 | i don't know exactly which unit, but an old one | 16:49 |
diddledan_ | so you're only going to hit the bug when you've got loads of data that you cannot lose | 16:50 |
ali1234 | diddledan yeah :( | 16:50 |
ali1234 | luckily it's an easy fix... just zero those bits | 16:50 |
ali1234 | well i hope that works anyway | 16:50 |
diddledan_ | fingers crossed | 16:50 |
ali1234 | basically ext4 didn't exist when this thing was made | 16:51 |
daftykins | i've always gone Synology but always seen those QNAPs around | 16:51 |
daftykins | i take it it's an abandoned unit support wise? | 16:51 |
ali1234 | it has a 2.6.12.6 kernel with the ext3 48 bit patch set, which is like ext4 alpha version before it was even called ext4 | 16:51 |
diddledan_ | so they were trying to allow their units to cope with larger filesystems than default ext3 allowed? | 16:51 |
ali1234 | yeah | 16:52 |
ali1234 | and larger files too | 16:52 |
daftykins | sounds like the kind of thing that should've been labelled beta | 16:52 |
popey | i recently bought a netgear nas | 16:52 |
popey | seems okay | 16:52 |
ali1234 | well this QNAP seemed okay for like however many years... | 16:52 |
ali1234 | there's file on it from 2005 | 16:52 |
popey | :( | 16:53 |
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daftykins | how do the Netgears handle the OS? the lower end 2-bay Synologys, you put them on the network with the disks in then the software gets loaded from your PC onto the disks | 16:58 |
daftykins | so there's not so much built in storage for the OS portion | 16:58 |
diddledan_ | I know the single-drive netgears that come with the drive embedded put the OS on a linux mdraid-1 parition pair with the rest of the disk partitioned for the owner to use | 17:00 |
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daftykins | partition pair on single bay? 0o | 17:02 |
daftykins | so they RAID-mirror in two partitions on a single physical disk? | 17:02 |
diddledan_ | yup | 17:02 |
daftykins | that's horrible | 17:02 |
Azelphur | daftykins: ldd? | 17:08 |
popey | my netgear came with no disks | 17:10 |
daftykins | Azelphur: don't worry, just the comment of someone who doesn't have a clue i think | 17:10 |
popey | so i assume there's some onboard flash storage | 17:10 |
Azelphur | lol | 17:10 |
daftykins | popey: ah so it had the full web admin etc? | 17:10 |
popey | yes | 17:10 |
popey | quite natty | 17:10 |
daftykins | the synologys just have enough to accept the OS to get thrown at it once disks are in, pretty novel | 17:10 |
diddledan_ | daftykins: it might be PXE-style boot-up where there is ONLY enough code to fire up the network and transfer a file and run that in-memory | 17:12 |
diddledan_ | PXE boot-roms are usually in the order of a couple hundred KB | 17:12 |
daftykins | sounds about right | 17:14 |
daftykins | enough to grab a lease then sit and wait | 17:14 |
popey | the web admin thing on the netgear is quite nice | 17:16 |
popey | and it can pretend to be an apple time machine target | 17:16 |
popey | which is handy | 17:16 |
daftykins | pretty sure they all can now | 17:18 |
daftykins | seems you can even make ones that don't do it, by just mounting a disk then creating the appropriate image file | 17:19 |
daftykins | ooh that reminds me, i was checking a clients backup when i saw that it'd given up since _May_ | 17:19 |
daftykins | nice work Time Machine | 17:19 |
zmoylan-pi | did it not raise a stink when it stopped working or were those warnings ignored by user? | 17:24 |
mapps | ;] | 17:35 |
mapps | done most my boring chores today | 17:35 |
zmoylan-pi | wax on, wax off | 17:37 |
mapps | 1 case and washbasket full of stuff to take to new place | 17:37 |
daftykins | :) | 17:38 |
mapps | then unpack some stuff i guess | 17:38 |
mapps | laptop last;D wont hve net there | 17:38 |
daftykins | i think i'll be coming through Malaga in October, still a fair distance to Gib there though | 17:38 |
zmoylan-pi | unless you use ryanair... :-) | 17:38 |
mapps | ya | 17:39 |
mapps | 1hr30 away daftykins | 17:39 |
mapps | 1hr if you go like a loony | 17:39 |
mapps | we had no choice that time i got our flight to prague wrong LOL | 17:40 |
mapps | I' flying out of Malaga to Berlin in November :) | 17:40 |
daftykins | well i don't have a license so... | 17:40 |
zmoylan-pi | drive even crazier :-P | 17:40 |
daftykins | haha | 17:42 |
mapps | can get a taxi to Gib for 75 euros | 17:42 |
mapps | best rate ive found | 17:42 |
mapps | mate from casino told me of some company who do gib - malaga 75 euros | 17:42 |
mapps | normally its around 125-150 been quote | 17:43 |
mapps | d | 17:43 |
daftykins | ouch! | 17:43 |
daftykins | would be pretty sweet to see the rock | 17:43 |
daftykins | you hiked it yet? :D | 17:43 |
mapps | where you going? | 17:43 |
daftykins | boss' flat east of Malaga | 17:43 |
mapps | aha | 17:43 |
daftykins | Marina del Este | 17:43 |
mapps | well | 17:43 |
mapps | you could get a bus from Malaga to Gib for like 6 euros? | 17:44 |
mapps | and see gib for a day | 17:44 |
mapps | you'll be near Puerto Banus then which the british chavs love | 17:45 |
mapps | i have 0 interest in going there, it's full of thickos fake tan, kilos of makeup, payin £200 for bottles of vodka | 17:45 |
mapps | blowing a weeks shop wages in a bar | 17:45 |
mapps | i just wish i owned ne of these bars;) | 17:45 |
mapps | Sotogrande is meant to be VERY nice though, nice area not full of tacky bars/restaurants aimed at brits | 17:46 |
mapps | Puerto Banus is just Magaluf but more expensive, honestly dont see how anyone not a moron can care for it, rubbish british style bars like 'lineers' | 17:47 |
daftykins | i'm not one for those kinds of scenes at all :) | 17:53 |
daftykins | i'm only content coming so far south since it's winter ;D | 17:53 |
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ali1234 | hmm. i patched debugfs to ignore the top 16 bits of any 48 bit block number - they should always be zero on a 1Tb drive anyway - and all files are now readable | 19:11 |
diddledan_ | nice | 19:14 |
diddledan_ | well done! | 19:14 |
MartijnVdS | ali1234: that's some scary stuff | 19:19 |
diddledan_ | that kind of fix, along with figuring out the problem, are both way beyond my skillset :-) | 19:19 |
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diddledan_ | daftykins: you running win10? you want to reclaim space used by windows itself (about 3GB)? http://blogs.technet.com/b/mniehaus/archive/2015/09/16/windows-10-reducing-the-disk-footprint.aspx | 20:01 |
daftykins | hrmm | 20:07 |
daftykins | there's something that makes me feel greatly hesitant about the use of compression :) | 20:09 |
diddledan_ | heh | 20:09 |
popey | i know that feeling, but it's odd really, given we use compression all day transparently for many critical things | 20:10 |
diddledan_ | you can use `compact.exe /compactos:query` to check whether your system already has the setting enabled or not | 20:11 |
popey | I remember the day Windows 95 came out. I had a Toshiba CS 2100 running Windows 3.11 with a compressed drive. Took an _age_ to upgrade to Win95 | 20:14 |
popey | I left it at work chugging away and went home. | 20:14 |
ali1234 | i saw a windows server recently that had compression turned on when the drive ran out of space | 20:15 |
ali1234 | it took about 30 minutes to boot up | 20:15 |
shauno | doublespace isn't dead? | 20:16 |
ali1234 | ntfs has compression built in | 20:19 |
popey | Thinking about it, that toshiba was the first laptop I had which had a nipple | 20:19 |
popey | kinda wish I got into Linux back then | 20:20 |
shauno | I may never understand your fascination with nipples | 20:20 |
popey | accuracy and lack of finger movement | 20:20 |
shauno | and you didn't miss much. I moved to linux instead of 95. they were some dark, dark years. I didn't find a video card with X drivers until early 2000s | 20:22 |
diddledan_ | lol | 20:22 |
diddledan_ | that's impressive | 20:22 |
shauno | it really wasn't :/ I had a tseng labs card, which was meant to work with the et4000 drivers, but never did. so I could get 640x480 with the vesa drivers, and nothing else | 20:24 |
popey | Very first time I'd heard of Linux was when I worked at a college and one of the students mentioned it to me. | 20:24 |
popey | I was like "pfffft whatever" | 20:24 |
bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 20:25 |
popey | word | 20:25 |
bigcalm | Up | 20:26 |
diddledan_ | I remember quizzing the IT guy at the college I attended about their CLI interface and whether it was this new linux thing and he replied: no it's a real netware | 20:26 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: morning | 20:26 |
diddledan_ | as if linux was supposed to be a knockoff netware clone | 20:26 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: still on for Saturday? | 20:26 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: yup | 20:26 |
bigcalm | Yay | 20:26 |
diddledan_ | choochoo? | 20:26 |
bigcalm | Hayley won't be joining us :( | 20:26 |
popey | choo choo indeed! | 20:26 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: are we meeting anywhere before hand/ | 20:26 |
diddledan_ | have fun :-) | 20:27 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: ah :( | 20:27 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: Some of us will be at The Mulberry in Farnham around 5/5.30 ish | 20:27 |
intrbiz | okies | 20:27 |
bigcalm | Food and a pint before choo choo | 20:27 |
popey | pre-pint pint | 20:27 |
intrbiz | yeh | 20:27 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: I thought you were meeting us at Alton? | 20:27 |
bigcalm | Will be grand if you do join us :) | 20:28 |
diddledan_ | anywho, I'm knackered. gonna go get some shuteye | 20:28 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: should be in farnham, if not then alton | 20:28 |
daftykins | such alien places to me, you mainlanders speak of | 20:29 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: just gotta sort the timings out | 20:29 |
daftykins | there's only a dry bit and a wet bit down 'ere :D | 20:29 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: got a moment for some fun with ansible? | 20:43 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: sure | 20:43 |
bigcalm | Yay | 20:43 |
bigcalm | In a roll I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/12441053/ | 20:44 |
intrbiz | yeh | 20:45 |
bigcalm | In a Vagrantfile I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/12441057/ | 20:45 |
bigcalm | But it's failing with | 20:45 |
bigcalm | fatal: [mvp] => with_dict expects a dict | 20:45 |
bigcalm | Obviously I'm doing something wrong with databases in my extra_vars, but I'm not sure what | 20:46 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: try with_items rather than with_dict | 20:47 |
bigcalm | Okay | 20:48 |
bigcalm | fatal: [mvp] => One or more undefined variables: 'dict object' has no attribute 'value' | 20:48 |
bigcalm | Should I now move to using item.name instead of item.value.name ? | 20:49 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: omit the '.value' | 20:49 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: eg: item.name | 20:49 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: item.host | 20:49 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: brb | 20:50 |
bigcalm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12441116/ | 20:50 |
bigcalm | K | 20:50 |
bigcalm | Ah, possibly missing a module | 20:51 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: you'll need a pre-req task along the lines of: apt-get name=python-mysqldb state=installed | 20:53 |
bigcalm | Ah | 20:53 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: not 100% sure what the python-mysql driver package name is on ubunut | 20:53 |
intrbiz | ubuntu* | 20:53 |
bigcalm | I couldn't work out if the python module was needed on the host or the guest | 20:53 |
bigcalm | Yeah, it's sudo apt-get install python-mysqldb | 20:54 |
bigcalm | Woop! | 20:55 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: thanks :) | 20:55 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: working? | 20:56 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: like a charm | 20:57 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: coolio, ansible execute the tasks locally on the target host, so you need the python drivers etc installed on the target for some of the modules | 20:58 |
bigcalm | I'm enjoying converting this project from bash to ansible provisioning | 20:58 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: makes sense | 20:58 |
intrbiz | mmm maisel's weisse is sehr gut | 21:00 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: I assume you'll be at revolution next week? | 21:01 |
Azelphur | popey: was it you who had a fancy home monitoring setup so you could see the power consumption of each plug socket? curious how it's done | 21:01 |
popey | not me | 21:01 |
Azelphur | dam | 21:02 |
Azelphur | would be cool to monitor the usage of each individual plug socket :) | 21:02 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: the 3 of us will be, aye. Hayley will be all alone in the office | 21:02 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: are you coming up for it? | 21:02 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: and for the Rebellion the night before? | 21:02 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: won't be at rebellion sadly, will be on a train somewhere | 21:03 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: will be at revolution on the friday | 21:03 |
bigcalm | Fair enough | 21:04 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: I was planning on WFH on the 24th, but we've got a company party that afternoon, with free drinks | 21:08 |
bigcalm | Doh! | 21:09 |
bigcalm | Your train journey is going to be fun :P | 21:09 |
intrbiz | yeh :( | 21:09 |
intrbiz | gonna try and not drink too much | 21:10 |
intrbiz | hmm, decisions, decision, sould I do: PostgreSQL con -> ogg camp -> SuseCon all back to back | 21:11 |
bigcalm | Nutta :D | 21:14 |
bigcalm | Hayley and I will be spending some of our time in the Ship and Mitre drinking strong Belgian beers over the Oggcamp weekend | 21:15 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: we went to a Belgian resteraunt for lunch t'other day, 50 bottles + several taps on their menu, had some nice wit beer | 21:17 |
bigcalm | :) | 21:17 |
bigcalm | Any thoughts as to why this might start happening? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12441563/ | 21:25 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: sorry :(, not used Vagrant | 21:27 |
bigcalm | Okay | 21:27 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: docs for vargrant share do state: 'Vagrant Share requires an account with HashiCorp's Atlas to be used' | 21:28 |
bigcalm | I don't know what that means | 21:29 |
bigcalm | I'm running an old version of vagrant, yay me | 21:33 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: https://atlas.hashicorp.com/ | 21:37 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: I was running an old version of vagrant | 21:37 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: ah | 21:37 |
bigcalm | I don't dev from my laptop as much as I used to | 21:37 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: ah, desktop? | 21:41 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: I use my aging T410 for everything now | 21:41 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: desktop at home and desktop at work | 21:42 |
bigcalm | Which sometimes bites me in the arse if I forget to check something in | 21:42 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: hehe | 21:42 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: I've recently realised how few posessions I actually need | 21:43 |
bigcalm | When that happens, and I'm at home, I get Adam to turn on my workstation and then SSH in over the vpn | 21:43 |
bigcalm | intrbiz: becoming a nomad? | 21:43 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: feels like it, yeh | 21:43 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: just roam from hotel to hotel. Sadly london hotels are all to variable | 21:44 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: and roam from pub to pub | 21:44 |
intrbiz | maybe that should be crawl | 21:45 |
bigcalm | ; | 21:45 |
bigcalm | ) | 21:45 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: I do miss being able to go to Symphony Hall however | 21:51 |
bigcalm | It's getting expensive there | 21:51 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: at SH? | 21:52 |
bigcalm | SH in the ICC? | 21:52 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: yeh | 21:53 |
bigcalm | Maybe it's just the shows that we want to go and see | 21:53 |
bigcalm | Surely you have greater options down in Londinium? | 21:53 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: SH is a far better venue for Classical than anything in London | 21:54 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: it's rather ironic | 21:54 |
dutchie | haha you wouldn't believe that if you listen to my dad | 21:54 |
bigcalm | Crikey | 21:54 |
intrbiz | dutchie: yeh? | 21:55 |
dutchie | intrbiz: he's principal trumpet in the cbso, always complaining about how things are going downhill | 21:55 |
bigcalm | cb? | 21:55 |
intrbiz | dutchie: cool, its ashame that Andris left | 21:55 |
dutchie | yeah, he was really good | 21:56 |
intrbiz | a shame* | 21:56 |
dutchie | bigcalm: city of birmingham symphony orchestra | 21:56 |
bigcalm | dutchie: ta, I guessed the so ;) | 21:56 |
bigcalm | cobso sounds better :P | 21:56 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: :( | 21:57 |
bigcalm | Anyway, time for a snooze | 21:57 |
bigcalm | See you kids at the weekend :) | 21:58 |
intrbiz | bigcalm: cya saturday | 21:58 |
dutchie | see you then too! | 22:01 |
intrbiz | dutchie: are you RATing? | 22:02 |
dutchie | yup | 22:02 |
dutchie | hmm, i should find my ticket for that | 22:02 |
intrbiz | dutchie: cool, see you too | 22:02 |
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mapps | back soon moving laptop so no net | 22:23 |
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