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Azelphurdaftykins: virtual machine in libvirt with no other OS / partitions, it's stupid :P00:29
daftykinsah00:30
daftykinsfunky00:30
daftykinshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Icy-Box-IB-254U3-Enclosure-interface/dp/B00GYLDDCG/00:30
daftykinsi'm gonna get me one o' these to throw a lappy HDD in and make it my xbox one extra storage :>00:31
Azelphursounds fun00:31
Azelphurdaftykins: amusingly, I have piles of 3.5 inch enclosures laying about, I keep giving them away00:32
daftykinswith UASP? ;)00:33
zmoylan-piso you're giving homes to the homes of 3.5" devices... :-)00:33
Azelphurdaftykins: dunno00:33
daftykinsseems to be a pretty newish thing00:33
daftykinsnot often present00:33
Azelphurzmoylan-pi: indeed, I buy drives in enclosures because it's cheaper, then pull them out of the enclosures00:33
AzelphurI've had 5 of them now00:33
daftykinsi did just remember i have my old array of 6 x 1TB doing nothing, but the idea of slapping two in an external 2 bay RAID thing for USB 3 would be noisy00:33
AzelphurI have a 4x5TB array :)00:37
daftykinseh i have main storage too, but i'm more thinking of what can be attached to the xbox one00:40
daftykinssince sadly you can't swap out the internal without encountering the wrath of breaking terms of service00:40
daftykinsthey've just geared up to releasing a new 'elite' model like the 360 had, which comes with a 1TB SSHD =|00:41
daftykinsAzelphur: speaking of, presumably you meant you/your gf have an xbox one to pop on one of those 4K displays from earlier?00:41
daftykinsi hadn't even read anything about whether they properly upscale to it yet00:41
Azelphurdaftykins: xbox 360 actually, gf is considering getting an xbox one :)00:46
Azelphurdaftykins: the main appeal of it for that however is being a monitor, means lower latency for games while TVs generally have much higher latency00:48
daftykinsi think that'll be invalidated by the fact its' input lag and latency is based on being fed a 4K image00:49
daftykinsgiving it a 360 will mean it'll output 1080p tops, so the inbuilt will be responsible for the upscaling00:49
daftykinscould end up... interesting :D00:49
Azelphurdaftykins: surely it'd be lower for a 1080p image00:49
daftykinshmm?00:49
Azelphursurely the latency would be lower for a 1080i (actually xbox is 1080i) image...00:50
daftykinsthe xbox 360's scaler chip outputs the 1080p regardless00:50
Azelphurdaftykins: yea, but the latency on the monitor is gonna be lower than that of a tv.00:51
Azelphurwhich is the point I'm making00:51
daftykinsi've got no data on that :D00:51
AzelphurTVs have so high latency they generally don't even list it00:52
Azelphurit's bad, some TVs (like the Seiki) is like 200ms+00:52
daftykinsi don't think that's true across the board00:52
ali1234HDMI has no latency so the size of the picture isn't directly related to latency00:53
Azelphurprobably not but I challenge you to find a TV with its input latency listed in its spec00:53
zmoylan-piwith all the numbers they throw around with new tvs i never hear latency mentioned00:53
daftykinsit is when the TV's built-in hardware has to scale it \o/00:54
ali1234yes00:54
daftykinszmoylan-pi: newp more of a gamer thing still00:54
zmoylan-pithank goodness for gamers driving down the prices of new tech :-)00:54
ali1234although if it is just doubling every pixel, that in theory could be done with no latency00:54
daftykinsbut it never is since they add a tonne of image magic00:55
ali1234in TVs yeah00:55
diddledan\o/ magic!00:55
ali1234not so much in monitors00:55
daftykinswoohoo!00:55
diddledanTVs are awesome for ruining a movie's picture00:55
daftykinsspeaking of magic, i must make my words disappear from your very eyes!00:56
daftykinsg'night all :D00:56
diddledan:-o00:56
zmoylan-pio/00:56
diddledanbut I just woke up!00:56
ali1234i should make a gadget to measure display latency00:56
ali1234i bet loads of gamers would buy it00:56
daftykinswww.displaylag.com might be of interest, heard it mentioned somewhere recently00:57
ali1234and i bet proper ones are expensive00:57
diddledangamers seem to obsess over 10ms vs 5ms00:57
ali1234i reckon i could do it on an arduino00:57
diddledan100ms is equivalent to "instant" in human scales00:57
ali1234no it isn't lol00:57
Azelphurdiddledan: indeed that's bad >.<00:58
zmoylan-pijust put some static on a screen and you will see how sharp or blurred it is.00:58
Azelphurdiddledan: try playing a piano on 100ms00:58
AzelphurI have, it's like being under the damned speech jammer00:58
ali1234it's more like 25ms +/- 10ms00:58
diddledangoogle have measured it - they claim that if an effect occurs within 100ms of an action then people perceive it as instantaneous00:59
zmoylan-pii used to play a game on a stop watch at school. start and stop as fast as possible.  i could easily to 7ms but after a few hours of playing spectrum games could occasionly get down to 3ms00:59
ali1234diddledan: for a single event, sure00:59
ali1234example given by azelphur of playing the piano is a good one. it's ver different when you're also dealing with delayed past events while entering new ones01:00
zmoylan-piof course this was in the day of joystick wagglers so very fast alternate keys was important01:00
ali1234and playing a game is more like playing the piano than "waiting for a website to do something" (which is i assume what google were testing)01:00
* diddledan waggles his joystick01:00
diddledanzmoylan-pi: your fault!01:00
zmoylan-pii blame daley thompsons decatholon01:01
diddledanyeah webpage load was the thing google were measuring01:01
ali1234i was actually playing a video game the other day and got hit by this. had to click comething N times, but the game was lagging and the "click" sound effect actually being delayed made it almost impossible to click the right number of times01:02
zmoylan-piprobably loading the click from hard drive...01:03
diddledanit needs to save to disc on every click :-p01:03
diddledanrealtime world-saves ftw01:03
ali1234pretty much, it was a bloated minecraft world01:04
diddledanhah01:04
ali1234java garbage collector sucks01:04
diddledanminecraft is terrible for efficient working01:04
ali1234"let's never free anything until we hit the memory limit"01:04
ali1234i should make a website to demonstrate this effect01:05
diddledanone such example is the requirement to load an entire chunk off the server even though you can't see it all01:05
ali1234"click the button 10 times" ... "you failed"01:05
diddledanloaded just-in-case01:05
zmoylan-pithey could learn about optimisation from 8bit games :-)01:05
ali1234diddledan: chunks aren't that big though... the bigger problem is java doesn't immediately free them when minecraft unloads them01:05
diddledanyeah those 8bit programmers were true geniuses01:05
diddledancartridges forced strange methods of optimisation so I read01:06
zmoylan-pibig blocks of memory are slow to unload when memory is completely full01:06
zmoylan-pithere's a great video on the game elite and how they squashed all the game into a tiny amount of memory that is worth watching01:07
diddledanI never have understood delayed garbage collectors on-top of the system memory allocator01:07
zmoylan-pidraw the screen while loading the game then throw out that code and never overwrite those sections that are the ship01:08
diddledanI get the point of delayed garbage collection by the system but to add it on-top of another memory allocator seems.. weird01:08
ali1234the logic is that some operating systems have really bad allocators, so you should write one that's a tiny bit better than the absolute worst, and then force everyone to use it01:08
diddledanand that's why openssl is such a pig01:08
ali1234and firefox too01:08
ali1234openssl actually has a good reason, it needs to know for sure that freed memory is securely wiped01:09
ali1234oh and also Gtk+ has one of these things in it01:09
diddledanthey took that requirement as carte blanche to reimplement everything themselves tho01:09
zmoylan-pijust because a language is bad doesn't mean you can't get coders who can't make it run efficently. it's just they cost a lot more01:09
ali1234it's not actually about the language... java has at least four different garbage collectors and i'm pretty sure on of them is "just directly use malloc and free"01:11
ali1234Gtk+ also has this as a debug option01:11
ali1234but it can cause programs to behave differently01:11
ali1234so you can't really use them in production01:11
zmoylan-pitrue but it does seem like they picked the best way to slow down a system :-)01:11
ali1234ah the crazy allocator is in glib of course, not Gtk+01:14
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diddledancatching-up on the last few episodes of "humans" - it's a really compelling story03:50
diddledanjust starting ep603:50
diddledannearly time for morning coffee methinks03:55
mappshello05:03
diddledanmorning05:12
mapps1 ep of izombie then bed05:43
mappsgotta be up at midday05:43
mappspicking up apartment keys at 12;30 water person coming t 1 ugh05:43
mappsgot loads to move too its a right hassle05:44
mappsonly diddledan up05:48
mappsno zmoylan-pi lurking?05:48
mapps:)05:48
diddledanthey're lightweights05:52
mappshttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10296795_896313610394830_6540979153331699150_n.jpg?oh=5d77a32ea83c917bf15c9c6781219185&oe=5665A9BD05:54
mappslol05:54
mappshow can someone who's a mum look and dress like that05:54
mappsjust looks cheap and nasty05:54
mappseverytime i reactivate facebook i wonder if i should have05:54
diddledanstupid americans - re the teenager who took a clock to school, a police person told media: "we attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only tell us that it was a clock" <-- turns out it was a clock06:15
mappslol06:15
mappswho reported it06:15
diddledanwho'd have thunk a teenager telling the truth06:15
diddledana teacher called the cops on him06:15
diddledanhe has also been suspended for three days despite being proven to not be a muslim terrorist06:16
diddledancriminal prosecution has not been ruled out06:16
mappsbecause they saw him with a clock what like he was walking around with it?06:16
diddledanhe made it at home and took it to school to show his engineering teacher. a different teacher saw it and called the cops06:17
mappsah06:18
mappswhat a fool the teacher was06:18
diddledanyeah but even so the authorities are prosecuting the kid even though it was a false alarm, and he also gets three days suspension from school because meh06:19
mappsprosecuting him fr what06:20
mappsmust be some reason06:20
diddledanthere's a campaign site here https://www.standwithahmed.com/06:20
diddledanas far as I can tell they're prosecuting because cockmakers should be made examples of to deter future would-be clockakers06:21
diddledanbasically no reason whatsoever06:22
mappsah is that what that hashtag meant06:22
MartijnV1Sooooooh! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p030s5bx07:03
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diddledanooh07:08
diddledanthat looks good07:08
MooDoomorning all07:21
leecowdrey_Indeed it's a morning to you all too07:22
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foobarrythat clock story is bringing out the worst side of americans08:02
foobarryall the comments as usual are polarised08:03
MartijnVdSthey have a different side? :P08:04
diddledanteehee: https://twitter.com/WillMcAvoyACN/status/64426057815687168008:04
zmoylan-pii wonder if the teacher will be prosecuted for wasting police time08:25
diddledanhah08:25
diddledanlast I heard they're still prosecuting the kid08:25
zmoylan-pino all charges were dropped last i heard08:25
zmoylan-pithe police said they did the right thing responding as they did and said it was a cool clock08:26
bashrc_I think that story shows that the "national security" mindsets turns adults into idiots who are either unwilling or unable to exercise critical judgement08:28
zmoylan-pii remember when some smart add phoned in a bomb scare during my schools leaving cert exams.  they hoped to be able to look at a few books when the classes were evacuated.  all that happened was a gardai came in and checked the classes out08:29
zmoylan-pi*smart ass08:30
foobarrythis could have been resolved if english teachers knew more about science08:33
foobarryor the headteacher actually spoke to the engineering teacher!08:33
zmoylan-pii think the teacher that he brought the clock in to show advised him to hide it which suggests he thought some of the other teachers wouldn't understand or were idiots08:36
jpdszmoylan-pi: Possibly both08:36
MartijnVdSWillful ignorance.08:36
zmoylan-piconsidering what they pay teachers can we expect any better?08:37
foobarrypay is not related to ability08:37
jpdsWhat foobarry said08:37
zmoylan-pipay does decide the level of applicants to a large degree08:38
foobarryliving in texas does not immediately imply you are an inbred numpty08:38
foobarryteaching is a vocation too08:38
foobarryand pay is static across the board largely08:38
zmoylan-piimply no, hint yes08:38
diddledanmy sister is a teacher08:42
diddledanso poo to you08:42
diddledanshe's awesome!08:42
zmoylan-pii've had great teachers and i've had teachers who were there just to punch a clock08:42
diddledanmy brother-in-law however is a business psychologist which means he's the enemy :-p08:43
jpdszmoylan-pi: Puch a WHAT?08:43
Myrttiand I've got a friend teaching science that genuinely thought that microwaving water made it bad08:43
diddledanMyrtti: oh dear08:43
zmoylan-pithey were there just to do the hours and get a pay cheque08:43
zmoylan-piand a teacher can be fantastic in one area and a complete idiot in another08:44
diddledanthere was a video I saw a couple days ago which had a teenage girl from an english speaking country that isn't the UK moaning about a language barrier when talking to someone in the UK08:45
diddledanshe also moaned about how the UK being closer to the sun must be the explanation as to why something is many pounds08:45
diddledan(pounds as in cost - the english person responded to her quizzing the cost of something and she was bemused that he replied a weight)08:46
jpdsdiddledan: "A pound of your flesh", very Shakespearian.08:47
diddledanjpds: I bite my thumb at thee08:47
Myrttilol08:47
zmoylan-pii fart in your general direction08:47
diddledanlol08:47
Myrttiyou all smell of elderberries08:47
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy4zULKFDU08:47
diddledanMyrtti: beat me08:48
diddledanhmm, it's 10:00 and I'm already hungry08:57
* zmoylan-pi passes diddledan the bag of peanuts08:57
diddledanmeh08:58
zmoylan-picovered in chocolate08:58
diddledanmeh08:58
zmoylan-pior dry roasted08:58
diddledannow if they were raisens covered in chocolate..!08:58
zmoylan-pii'd banish you to the pits of hell for ruining good chocolate08:58
zmoylan-pi:-)08:58
diploWhats the benefit of either creating a new Volume Group or Extending an existing one with logical volumes09:03
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:03
diploI'm not sureon best practice ?09:03
diploI take it that adding to an existing volume group I can extend other pv's into that VG group where as if I create a new one only new PV's can be extended09:04
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Apple Dumpling Day! 😃09:10
* JamesTait is stubbornly refusing to turn on the heater.09:11
diploJamesTait: I'm the same! I was actually cold last night.. but stubborness won out09:15
diplo:)09:15
JamesTaitSame here, but I'm going to grab an extra jumper!09:18
diplo2 months to go for heating yet!09:18
diddledanI've still got a window open :-p09:24
zmoylan-pii have windows open and fan running at night [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Mostly Cloudy | Temp: 12C/54F/285K/513R | Humidity: 82% | Wind Speed 8mph/13kmph09:25
diddledanI like the fresh air this time of year when I'm in bed - it reminds me of a period where I felt content despite being in the throws of deep depression (the weather reminds me of being in an adolescent psyc unit)09:27
diddledanI'm weird, what can I say :-p09:27
zmoylan-piyou fit right in here :-)09:28
diddledanteehee09:28
czajkowskianyone looking for a new role https://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/98046/full-stack-python-javascript-engineer-for-seenitio09:55
Laneyjust found a half eaten packet of pork scratchings downstairs09:56
LaneyBONUS09:56
* Laney chomps09:56
MooDooRESULT09:57
davmor2SADDO's09:57
zmoylan-pibefore their expiry date? double bonus09:58
zmoylan-pi:-)09:58
Laneystill crunchy09:59
popeymmmm fried fat09:59
popeyhttp://drool.popey.com/09:59
zmoylan-pinothing worse than soggy pork scratchings09:59
popey_nothing_ on earth10:00
mappsget my apartment keys in 20mins:D10:03
mappssquash anyone! hah10:04
* diddledan sits on mapps10:04
mappsjust hpe there's some unsecure wifi i can steal until my internet is connected10:04
diddledanhowsat for squish?10:04
mappsthere's places below me with it.. two cafes the gym and mcdonalds but no way they'd reach me (10th floor)10:04
diddledanouch10:05
diddledan10 floors is a long way up10:05
mappsindeed10:05
diddledanhopefully you've got a lift?10:05
zmoylan-pipringles can antennae?10:05
mappsyep10:05
mappsi should hope so for 1200 a month;p10:05
diddledanzmoylan-pi: bonus is you get to eat the pringles first10:05
diddledanmm nummy10:05
zmoylan-pinom nom, salt & vinegar pringles10:06
mappsim off a week in november and december, might go to berlin november but december cant decide where would be nice around then10:06
davmor2JamesTait: I can't find an apple dumping song or a macdondalds apple pie volcano gif, so I'll go for this as it mentions Opples https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIqSlt9PXg10:06
zmoylan-pii haven't had a mcdonalds apple pie in decades... tempted...10:08
mappssheesh nor have i10:08
foobarrymmm10:08
mappsim eating out a lot..too much junk food10:08
foobarrydeep fried apple pie10:08
mappsate twice at the rubbish casino the other day heh10:08
zmoylan-piate at the casino... that sounds like a gamble... :-)10:10
mappsyea it's woeful10:11
mappsburger bacon and cheese10:11
mappscold bacon cold cheese..yum10:11
mappsbut after 1am it's the only place..the kebab shops close midnight..1 stand in the square but 1am closed to10:11
mapps*too10:11
zmoylan-pikebab shops that close at midnight... don't they understand that's the only time they sell kebabs?!10:12
mapps:)10:12
zmoylan-piis there no site for gibraltar that lists all the takeouts in your area and times they're open?10:15
diddledansorry, but I feel this hasn't been posted recently enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y10:37
zmoylan-pisees your video and raises you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs10:39
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:45
diddledanbigcalm: he's not big, and he's not calm :-p11:32
bigcalmSmall yet perfectly formed11:32
diddledanexcept that growth on your neck11:33
diddledanoh that's your head :-p11:33
davmor2diddledan, zmoylan-pi: I see you videos and I raise you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC5eMgePakk11:41
bigcalmdiddledan: you're being rather rude for somebody I don't personally know. Please try not to be11:47
diddledansorry, I come across that way I guess11:51
diddledanI promise I absolutely never ever mean offence with any of my utterances, even if I appear to the contrary11:52
diddledandavmor2: dang that's trumpy!11:54
davmor2diddledan: trumpy is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ixAfJ1LuI11:54
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mappssleep time12:07
mappsmoved most my stuff in:D12:07
mappsback at old place to get some more sleep :)12:07
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diddledanwhen did I disappear?12:18
diddledanapparently I just reconnected. random.12:18
popeyyou haven't yet12:18
popeyi see no disconnect12:18
diddledanyeah that'll be my local-to-znc connection that died then12:19
diddledanbouncy bouncy czajkowski12:53
diddledanOMG!!! http://www.gog.com/game/starship_titanic13:01
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davmor2diddledan: did you get my trupy is this video link?13:17
davmor2diddledan: also late addition to the Morning head songs today with Read all about it13:18
diddledanyup I dead13:20
diddledandid**13:21
diddledanlol @ speelign13:21
AzelphurLong shot, but copy and paste doesn't work between X screens, does anyone have a solution better than https://dpaste.de/6sRO ?14:38
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mappsgah still tired15:33
mapps;[15:33
* daftykins throws a funnel and a tall red bull at mapps 15:35
shaunoor just go back to bed :)15:35
* zmoylan-pi throws box of smarties with all the best e numbers for hyper activity at mapps 15:36
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mappsgotta go gym morrisons etc move last bits over15:54
diddledan_morissons in gibraltar?15:54
mappswhy do all the morons put Gibraltar as where they live when they live in La Linea, clearly a big diff15:54
mappsyea15:54
mappsla linea is known as the a hole of spain15:54
mappsit's like a bombs hit it--nothing like i imagined spain to be - had only been majorca not mainland spain before15:55
mappssome days the shelves are empty diddledan as it all comes from uk15:55
diddledan_yeesh15:55
diddledan_that's sucky15:56
mappsya like they cant have deliveries on weekends15:56
mappssometimes like there will be no freh meat basically..even freh juice low...umm cooked meats etc15:57
daftykinsthat's basically how our local supermarket chain has been getting :P15:59
daftykinsthey sold their local warehouse so now everything is at the mercy of the seas for freight15:59
diddledan_daftykins: I guess it's an island thing15:59
daftykins:D15:59
zmoylan-piit's a trick question gibraltar is a penninsula... :-P16:00
diddledan_o_O16:00
diddledan_I never knew16:00
daftykinsmapps: i bet you can walk around that thing in half an hour :P16:02
shaunowhat, the morissons?16:02
diddledan_lol16:02
diddledan_morning shauno16:02
shaunoo/16:03
daftykinswow that graveyard and Church is right next to the runway16:16
daftykinsin Gibraltar16:16
Azelphurgetting this error in wine,  "err:winediag:schan_imp_init Failed to load libgnutls, secure connections will not be available." but I've installed libgnutls >.> any ideas?16:28
diddledan_Azelphur: 64 vs 32bit?16:29
Azelphurinstalled all the i386 packages I could find, too16:29
diddledan_with the :i386 notation for dual-stack or the legacy method packages?16:30
diddledan_(or similar)16:30
diddledan_I forget but it might just be :38616:30
AzelphurI just grabbed every libgnutls and libgnutls:i386 package I can find16:31
diddledan_hmm16:31
diddledan_that should do it :-/16:31
daftykinsldd shed any light?16:33
ali1234wow... so QNAP NAS units appear to have a nasty bug that completely corrupts your filesystem16:45
ali1234they used the EXT3 48 bit extents patch16:45
diddledan_\o/16:46
ali1234it wwrites the block number as a u32 then a u1616:47
daftykins:S16:47
daftykinsgot your kernel compiled then? :)16:47
ali1234u16 being the high bits16:47
ali1234but for some reason this qnap doesn't write that u16, possibly because it is always zero16:47
ali1234so then the high 16 bits of the block number get effectively randomized16:48
diddledan_so it didn't zero them it just left a random pointer dangling when handing off to the disk?!16:48
ali1234exactly yes16:48
diddledan_that's nuts16:48
ali1234and it only happens when there's more than four extents for a file16:48
ali1234extents = what you would call fragments16:49
ali1234so it only happens when your 1TB disk gets really full of important files16:49
daftykinshow many bay unit and what RAID config?16:49
ali1234it only has 1 disk in it16:49
ali1234i don't know exactly which unit, but an old one16:49
diddledan_so you're only going to hit the bug when you've got loads of data that you cannot lose16:50
ali1234diddledan yeah :(16:50
ali1234luckily it's an easy fix... just zero those bits16:50
ali1234well i hope that works anyway16:50
diddledan_fingers crossed16:50
ali1234basically ext4 didn't exist when this thing was made16:51
daftykinsi've always gone Synology but always seen those QNAPs around16:51
daftykinsi take it it's an abandoned unit support wise?16:51
ali1234it has a 2.6.12.6 kernel with the ext3 48 bit patch set, which is like ext4 alpha version before it was even called ext416:51
diddledan_so they were trying to allow their units to cope with larger filesystems than default ext3 allowed?16:51
ali1234yeah16:52
ali1234and larger files too16:52
daftykinssounds like the kind of thing that should've been labelled beta16:52
popeyi recently bought a netgear nas16:52
popeyseems okay16:52
ali1234well this QNAP seemed okay for like however many years...16:52
ali1234there's file on it from 200516:52
popey:(16:53
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daftykinshow do the Netgears handle the OS? the lower end 2-bay Synologys, you put them on the network with the disks in then the software gets loaded from your PC onto the disks16:58
daftykinsso there's not so much built in storage for the OS portion16:58
diddledan_I know the single-drive netgears that come with the drive embedded put the OS on a linux mdraid-1 parition pair with the rest of the disk partitioned for the owner to use17:00
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daftykinspartition pair on single bay? 0o17:02
daftykinsso they RAID-mirror in two partitions on a single physical disk?17:02
diddledan_yup17:02
daftykinsthat's horrible17:02
Azelphurdaftykins: ldd?17:08
popeymy netgear came with no disks17:10
daftykinsAzelphur: don't worry, just the comment of someone who doesn't have a clue i think17:10
popeyso i assume there's some onboard flash storage17:10
Azelphurlol17:10
daftykinspopey: ah so it had the full web admin etc?17:10
popeyyes17:10
popeyquite natty17:10
daftykinsthe synologys just have enough to accept the OS to get thrown at it once disks are in, pretty novel17:10
diddledan_daftykins: it might be PXE-style boot-up where there is ONLY enough code to fire up the network and transfer a file and run that in-memory17:12
diddledan_PXE boot-roms are usually in the order of a couple hundred KB17:12
daftykinssounds about right17:14
daftykinsenough to grab a lease then sit and wait17:14
popeythe web admin thing on the netgear is quite nice17:16
popeyand it can pretend to be an apple time machine target17:16
popeywhich is handy17:16
daftykinspretty sure they all can now17:18
daftykinsseems you can even make ones that don't do it, by just mounting a disk then creating the appropriate image file17:19
daftykinsooh that reminds me, i was checking a clients backup when i saw that it'd given up since _May_17:19
daftykinsnice work Time Machine17:19
zmoylan-pidid it not raise a stink when it stopped working or were those warnings ignored by user?17:24
mapps;]17:35
mappsdone most my boring chores today17:35
zmoylan-piwax on, wax off17:37
mapps1 case and washbasket full of stuff to take to new place17:37
daftykins:)17:38
mappsthen unpack some stuff i guess17:38
mappslaptop last;D wont hve net there17:38
daftykinsi think i'll be coming through Malaga in October, still a fair distance to Gib there though17:38
zmoylan-piunless you use ryanair... :-)17:38
mappsya17:39
mapps1hr30 away daftykins17:39
mapps1hr if you go like a loony17:39
mappswe had no choice that time i got our flight to prague wrong LOL17:40
mappsI' flying out of Malaga to Berlin in November :)17:40
daftykinswell i don't have a license so...17:40
zmoylan-pidrive even crazier :-P17:40
daftykinshaha17:42
mappscan get a taxi to Gib for 75 euros17:42
mappsbest rate ive found17:42
mappsmate from casino told me of some company who do gib - malaga 75 euros17:42
mappsnormally its around 125-150 been quote17:43
mappsd17:43
daftykinsouch!17:43
daftykinswould be pretty sweet to see the rock17:43
daftykinsyou hiked it yet? :D17:43
mappswhere you going?17:43
daftykinsboss' flat east of Malaga17:43
mappsaha17:43
daftykinsMarina del Este17:43
mappswell17:43
mappsyou could get a bus from Malaga to Gib for like 6 euros?17:44
mappsand see gib for a day17:44
mappsyou'll be near Puerto Banus then which the british chavs love17:45
mappsi have 0 interest in going there, it's full of thickos fake tan, kilos of makeup, payin £200 for bottles of vodka17:45
mappsblowing a weeks shop wages in a bar17:45
mappsi just wish i owned ne of these bars;)17:45
mappsSotogrande is meant to be VERY nice though, nice area not full of tacky bars/restaurants aimed at brits17:46
mappsPuerto Banus is just Magaluf but more expensive, honestly dont see how anyone not a moron can care for it, rubbish british style bars like 'lineers'17:47
daftykinsi'm not one for those kinds of scenes at all :)17:53
daftykinsi'm only content coming so far south since it's winter ;D17:53
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ali1234hmm. i patched debugfs to ignore the top 16 bits of any 48 bit block number - they should always be zero on a 1Tb drive anyway - and all files are now readable19:11
diddledan_nice19:14
diddledan_well done!19:14
MartijnVdSali1234: that's some scary stuff19:19
diddledan_that kind of fix, along with figuring out the problem, are both way beyond my skillset :-)19:19
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diddledan_daftykins: you running win10? you want to reclaim space used by windows itself (about 3GB)? http://blogs.technet.com/b/mniehaus/archive/2015/09/16/windows-10-reducing-the-disk-footprint.aspx20:01
daftykinshrmm20:07
daftykinsthere's something that makes me feel greatly hesitant about the use of compression :)20:09
diddledan_heh20:09
popeyi know that feeling, but it's odd really, given we use compression all day transparently for many critical things20:10
diddledan_you can use `compact.exe /compactos:query` to check whether your system already has the setting enabled or not20:11
popeyI remember the day Windows 95 came out. I had a Toshiba CS 2100 running Windows 3.11 with a compressed drive. Took an _age_ to upgrade to Win9520:14
popeyI left it at work chugging away and went home.20:14
ali1234i saw a windows server recently that had compression turned on when the drive ran out of space20:15
ali1234it took about 30 minutes to boot up20:15
shaunodoublespace isn't dead?20:16
ali1234ntfs has compression built in20:19
popeyThinking about it, that toshiba was the first laptop I had which had a nipple20:19
popeykinda wish I got into Linux back then20:20
shaunoI may never understand your fascination with nipples20:20
popeyaccuracy and lack of finger movement20:20
shaunoand you didn't miss much.  I moved to linux instead of 95.  they were some dark, dark years.  I didn't find a video card with X drivers until early 2000s20:22
diddledan_lol20:22
diddledan_that's impressive20:22
shaunoit really wasn't :/  I had a tseng labs card, which was meant to work with the et4000 drivers, but never did.  so I could get 640x480 with the vesa drivers, and nothing else20:24
popeyVery first time I'd heard of Linux was when I worked at a college and one of the students mentioned it to me.20:24
popeyI was like "pfffft whatever"20:24
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)20:25
popeyword20:25
bigcalmUp20:26
diddledan_I remember quizzing the IT guy at the college I attended about their CLI interface and whether it was this new linux thing and he replied: no it's a real netware20:26
intrbizbigcalm: morning20:26
diddledan_as if linux was supposed to be a knockoff netware clone20:26
bigcalmintrbiz: still on for Saturday?20:26
intrbizbigcalm: yup20:26
bigcalmYay20:26
diddledan_choochoo?20:26
bigcalmHayley won't be joining us :(20:26
popeychoo choo indeed!20:26
intrbizbigcalm: are we meeting anywhere before hand/20:26
diddledan_have fun :-)20:27
intrbizbigcalm: ah :(20:27
bigcalmintrbiz: Some of us will be at The Mulberry in Farnham around 5/5.30 ish20:27
intrbizokies20:27
bigcalmFood and a pint before choo choo20:27
popeypre-pint pint20:27
intrbizyeh20:27
bigcalmintrbiz: I thought you were meeting us at Alton?20:27
bigcalmWill be grand if you do join us :)20:28
diddledan_anywho, I'm knackered. gonna go get some shuteye20:28
intrbizbigcalm: should be in farnham, if not then alton20:28
daftykinssuch alien places to me, you mainlanders speak of20:29
intrbizbigcalm: just gotta sort the timings out20:29
daftykinsthere's only a dry bit and a wet bit down 'ere :D20:29
bigcalmintrbiz: got a moment for some fun with ansible?20:43
intrbizbigcalm: sure20:43
bigcalmYay20:43
bigcalmIn a roll I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/12441053/20:44
intrbizyeh20:45
bigcalmIn a Vagrantfile I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/12441057/20:45
bigcalmBut it's failing with20:45
bigcalmfatal: [mvp] => with_dict expects a dict20:45
bigcalmObviously I'm doing something wrong with databases in my extra_vars, but I'm not sure what20:46
intrbizbigcalm: try with_items rather than with_dict20:47
bigcalmOkay20:48
bigcalmfatal: [mvp] => One or more undefined variables: 'dict object' has no attribute 'value'20:48
bigcalmShould I now move to using item.name instead of item.value.name ?20:49
intrbizbigcalm: omit the '.value'20:49
intrbizbigcalm: eg: item.name20:49
intrbizbigcalm: item.host20:49
intrbizbigcalm: brb20:50
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/12441116/20:50
bigcalmK20:50
bigcalmAh, possibly missing a module20:51
intrbizbigcalm: you'll need a pre-req task along the lines of: apt-get name=python-mysqldb state=installed20:53
bigcalmAh20:53
intrbizbigcalm: not 100% sure what the python-mysql driver package name is on ubunut20:53
intrbizubuntu*20:53
bigcalmI couldn't work out if the python module was needed on the host or the guest20:53
bigcalmYeah, it's sudo apt-get install python-mysqldb20:54
bigcalmWoop!20:55
bigcalmintrbiz: thanks :)20:55
intrbizbigcalm: working?20:56
bigcalmintrbiz: like a charm20:57
intrbizbigcalm: coolio, ansible execute the tasks locally on the target host, so you need the python drivers etc installed on the target for some of the modules20:58
bigcalmI'm enjoying converting this project from bash to ansible provisioning20:58
bigcalmintrbiz: makes sense20:58
intrbizmmm maisel's weisse is sehr gut21:00
intrbizbigcalm: I assume you'll be at revolution next week?21:01
Azelphurpopey: was it you who had a fancy home monitoring setup so you could see the power consumption of each plug socket? curious how it's done21:01
popeynot me21:01
Azelphurdam21:02
Azelphurwould be cool to monitor the usage of each individual plug socket :)21:02
bigcalmintrbiz: the 3 of us will be, aye. Hayley will be all alone in the office21:02
bigcalmintrbiz: are you coming up for it?21:02
bigcalmintrbiz: and for the Rebellion the night before?21:02
intrbizbigcalm: won't be at rebellion sadly, will be on a train somewhere21:03
intrbizbigcalm: will be at revolution on the friday21:03
bigcalmFair enough21:04
intrbizbigcalm: I was planning on WFH on the 24th, but we've got a company party that afternoon, with free drinks21:08
bigcalmDoh!21:09
bigcalmYour train journey is going to be fun :P21:09
intrbizyeh :(21:09
intrbizgonna try and not drink too much21:10
intrbizhmm, decisions, decision, sould I do: PostgreSQL con -> ogg camp -> SuseCon all back to back21:11
bigcalmNutta :D21:14
bigcalmHayley and I will be spending some of our time in the Ship and Mitre drinking strong Belgian beers over the Oggcamp weekend21:15
intrbizbigcalm: we went to a Belgian resteraunt for lunch t'other day, 50 bottles + several taps on their menu, had some nice wit beer21:17
bigcalm:)21:17
bigcalmAny thoughts as to why this might start happening? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12441563/21:25
intrbizbigcalm: sorry :(, not used Vagrant21:27
bigcalmOkay21:27
intrbizbigcalm: docs for vargrant share do state: 'Vagrant Share requires an account with HashiCorp's Atlas to be used'21:28
bigcalmI don't know what that means21:29
bigcalmI'm running an old version of vagrant, yay me21:33
intrbizbigcalm: https://atlas.hashicorp.com/21:37
bigcalmintrbiz: I was running an old version of vagrant21:37
intrbizbigcalm: ah21:37
bigcalmI don't dev from my laptop as much as I used to21:37
intrbizbigcalm: ah, desktop?21:41
intrbizbigcalm: I use my aging T410 for everything now21:41
bigcalmintrbiz: desktop at home and desktop at work21:42
bigcalmWhich sometimes bites me in the arse if I forget to check something in21:42
intrbizbigcalm: hehe21:42
intrbizbigcalm: I've recently realised how few posessions I actually need21:43
bigcalmWhen that happens, and I'm at home, I get Adam to turn on my workstation and then SSH in over the vpn21:43
bigcalmintrbiz: becoming a nomad?21:43
intrbizbigcalm: feels like it, yeh21:43
intrbizbigcalm: just roam from hotel to hotel. Sadly london hotels are all to variable21:44
intrbizbigcalm: and roam from pub to pub21:44
intrbizmaybe that should be crawl21:45
bigcalm;21:45
bigcalm)21:45
intrbizbigcalm: I do miss being able to go to Symphony Hall however21:51
bigcalmIt's getting expensive there21:51
intrbizbigcalm: at SH?21:52
bigcalmSH in the ICC?21:52
intrbizbigcalm: yeh21:53
bigcalmMaybe it's just the shows that we want to go and see21:53
bigcalmSurely you have greater options down in Londinium?21:53
intrbizbigcalm: SH is a far better venue for Classical than anything in London21:54
intrbizbigcalm: it's rather ironic21:54
dutchiehaha you wouldn't believe that if you listen to my dad21:54
bigcalmCrikey21:54
intrbizdutchie: yeh?21:55
dutchieintrbiz: he's principal trumpet in the cbso, always complaining about how things are going downhill21:55
bigcalmcb?21:55
intrbizdutchie: cool, its ashame that Andris left21:55
dutchieyeah, he was really good21:56
intrbiza shame*21:56
dutchiebigcalm: city of birmingham symphony orchestra21:56
bigcalmdutchie: ta, I guessed the so ;)21:56
bigcalmcobso sounds better :P21:56
intrbizbigcalm: :(21:57
bigcalmAnyway, time for a snooze21:57
bigcalmSee you kids at the weekend :)21:58
intrbizbigcalm: cya saturday21:58
dutchiesee you then too!22:01
intrbizdutchie: are you RATing?22:02
dutchieyup22:02
dutchiehmm, i should find my ticket for that22:02
intrbizdutchie: cool, see you too22:02
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mappsback soon moving laptop so no net22:23
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