[06:39] morning [10:34] morning all [11:42] with doc freeze today - we got updates for our docs? [11:42] slickymasterWork: ^^ [12:22] nvm - stopped being lazy and went to look :) [13:13] quick comment on that stuff - restricted drivers, why do we tell people all that usc-edit-software sources and settings manager - software/updates [13:13] when people just need to type additional or less in menu text box and open additional drivers from there? [13:22] and I assume there's an easy way to read the docs rather than the xml files [13:29] flocculant: I'm usually using this, ftm: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/docs/ [13:29] krytarik: is that wily? [13:30] Yep - look at the revision number. :) [13:30] hah [13:30] Or the version up top. LOL [13:30] the revision number means zilch if you don't know where it is now :D [13:31] wily could be 752 ... [13:31] Yep. [13:31] anyway - assume it is - has LO in it :p [13:31] "Welcome to Xubuntu 15.10 Documentation!" :P [13:31] flocculant: we now, do have the pdf's [13:31] I tried building it - just got a bunch of recipe errors - whatever they are [13:32] flocculant: Probably missing build depends. [13:32] krytarik: ha ha ha - I never read the 'you need these tools' bits of manuals either :) [13:32] krytarik: yea - was my assumption - so just 'read' the xml [13:33] slickymasterWork: yea - I have seen those discussions ongoing [13:33] and hi :) [13:33] flocculant: Or just build the HTML version, for example. [13:33] flocculant: check if you have coreutils (>= 8.16), debhelper (>= 9), docbook-xml, docbook-xsl, fonts-droid, fop, gnome-doc-utils and xsltproc [13:33] you'll need them to build the -docs [13:33] and also hi ;) [13:34] and krytarik, of course [13:34] Hah, yeah, you too. :D [13:35] slickymasterWork: didn't have some [13:35] I'd pieced together some things from the docs team wiki [13:35] there you have it. That's why you were'nt being able to build it [13:36] doing more this time - building pdf's :) [13:36] :) [13:37] though bit late this cycle to be looking ;) [13:37] * slickymasterWork smiles [13:38] if you're really unlucky I might next cycle :p [13:38] hah [13:38] slickymasterWork: all that aside - did you see comment re restricted drivers? [13:39] was reading it now [13:40] now I lost them [13:40] will have to wait until http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/09/17/%23xubuntu-devel.html catch up [13:40] quick comment on that stuff - restricted drivers, why do we tell people all that usc-edit-software sources and settings manager - software/updates [13:40] when people just need to type additional or less in menu text box and open additional drivers from there? [13:41] or not :) [13:41] something to ponder in a month or two :) [13:41] well, that section is prior to menulibre, I think that's the reason [13:42] I'll put that correction on my todo list [13:42] just a thought [13:42] less to read :) [13:42] not so much a correction but some additional info on that [13:42] stop being so lazy :P [13:43] ha ha [13:43] * slickymasterWork is the same, tbh [13:43] also - quick lesson in searching menulibre [13:43] two birds with one stone - even lazier \o/ [13:43] yeah, kind of killing two rabbits with one stone [13:43] much better - more meat [13:44] unless it's a really bug stone [13:44] * slickymasterWork was convinced that in en the old saying was with rabbits, not with birds [13:44] s/bug/big [13:44] well - we are different nationalties [13:44] in pt, it's with birds [13:45] it is here too [13:45] my mistake then [13:49] flocculant: Ftm, if you want to fix something, look at the intro on the startpage. :) [13:52] and which page is that [13:53] the one with 15.10 on it? [13:53] Yep. [13:53] bah [13:53] why does that say to ... [13:54] provides information to the most [13:55] that paragraph has been there since (slighted altered) since I remember flocculant [13:55] let's change that before 16.04 then :) [13:56] it has been change in 15.04, or 14.10 iirc [13:56] I could have sworn knome and I were looking at something like that recentlyish [13:56] might have been slideshow ... [13:57] maybe [13:57] mmm [13:57] what about it do you disagree? [13:57] flocculant: That was here: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/docs/C/index.html [13:58] aaah yes [13:58] slickymasterWork: to needs to be on at the least [13:58] yeah, but that relates to the copyright stuff [13:59] not sure we're talking about the same thing [13:59] so "The Official Documentation provides information on the most common issues with Xubuntu." instead? [13:59] flocculant ^^ [13:59] yea [14:00] or "on some of" [14:00] but not 'to' [14:00] ok, adding it also to my todo list [14:00] slickymasterWork: is this todo list for xx ? [14:00] the irony, a lazy one putting some extra work on me :P [14:00] ha ha [14:01] yes, for the x cycle [14:01] I can do an MP :) [14:01] I'd do it now, but over here I'm unable, was thinking of doing it tonight [14:01] ok - well I'd not take too much notice of that just yet then, you can xx workitem me for reading through the whole lot [14:02] which might be a longer list ... [14:02] but if you want you can, I'll review and merge later when I get home [14:02] ok [14:03] flocculant, yeah, if going to do it, please deal also with the restricted drivers [14:04] qwebirc298254: I'd plan *that* for the X series though. [14:05] well, if he's eager to work krytarik, don't stop him [14:05] The other can and should still be done now. [14:05] + one [14:05] but yes, I was planning it for X === qwebirc298254 is now known as slickymasterWork [14:06] I'm referring to the need to (re-)translate stuff - Doc String Freeze is today. [14:07] which is why I was saying maybe leave it all as it's doc freeze day [14:07] Not relevant for the startpage though. [14:07] so - do that or not? [14:07] Yep, do that. :) [14:08] But not the other one. [14:08] I mean, yep it's on the spot, but still. :P [14:08] well the source doc strings have be in order today, but it's still day ;) [14:09] and doc string freeze doesn't mean translations krytarik [14:11] slickymasterWork: Like I said, we could still do it, but I'd rather *not* have everyone retranslate that due to such a slight change. ;P [14:12] well I pushed it - seems to have got mixed up with the thing still pending from before [14:12] I'm not disagreeing with you krytarik, just stating that translators should technically start their work after doc freeze [14:13] and I would agree that no reason to look at restricted today [14:13] again that's been the same since we got menulibre and additional drivers - at least 1 cycle [14:13] but that's not my policy as you know, otherwise I wouldn't make those translators calls at the start of each cycle [14:15] this one flocculant-> https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs [14:16] slickymasterWork: that's what I mean by mixed up - that's the one that unit has showing that krytarik pointed at [14:16] guess because it was left pending [14:16] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/revision/436 [14:16] is what I just did [14:17] no idea tbh - stupid bzr [14:18] yeah rev 404 is already merged [14:18] I'll deal with rev 436 when I get home flocculant [14:19] ok :) [14:20] flocculant: Since it also says "Merged", it'd seem that's just for historical purposes - just MP again now. [14:21] do it again? [14:21] did you do it the first time? [14:21] flocculant: No, you just pushed, didn't MP yet. [14:22] I'm asking because I didn't get the mail about the MP flocculant? [14:22] exactly krytarik [14:22] remember now ... only done half of it :) [14:22] lol [14:23] tss tss... silly lazy flocculant [14:23] done :) [14:23] slickymasterWork: I can read the whole lot now and find some more ... [14:24] Hah, and the other one is gone now. :P [14:24] some more wthat, flocculant? [14:25] one or two word fixes if you really think I'm silly lazy flocculant :p [14:25] hahahahah [14:26] don't overburden yourself ;P [14:26] :D [14:29] Personally, I think the whole sentence needs an overhaul that doesn't involve the word "issues". :D [14:30] (But that'd be for X too.) [14:30] well - as I said, I'll look at the whole caboodle if slickymasterWork puts a workitem on docs bp :) [14:31] flocculant: Can't you add yourself? [14:31] I could [14:31] gentlemen -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-x-docs [14:31] but that's like carrying extra load deliberately :D [14:32] just assign it to me flocculant [14:32] assign what? [14:33] I'll look at the whole caboodle if slickymasterWork puts a workitem on docs bp :) [14:33] that was you ^^^ [14:33] I've added me :) [14:33] good boy :) [15:03] feed xubuntu-docs had 4 updates, showing the latest 3 [18:28] flocculant ^^ [20:43] slickymaster, you want those in for this cycle? [20:44] slickymaster: saw - thanks [20:44] hi knome :) [20:44] hey flow-currant [20:44] oh my [20:44] ;)= [20:44] that's a bit risque ... [20:44] :D [20:44] it's a less known sibling of blackcurrant [20:45] won't like [20:45] much more tart and sour [20:45] sounds about right though [20:45] yep [20:45] heh [20:45] (i'm just kidding) [20:45] of course.. [20:46] ... [20:46] I'm not ;) [20:46] and for the docs issue - since it's the startpage, nvm me [21:18] Boa tarde! [21:18] ummm... hello [21:19] Estive agora a pouco no canal com uma dúvida, sobre as traduções da documentação do Xubuntu. [21:19] Alguém no canal faz parte do team de traduções? [21:19] english please [21:20] sorry guys rsrs [21:20] i forgot that by a second [21:20] no problem [21:21] Is there anyone here who get involved in the team traductions? [21:22] traductions? do you mean translations? [21:22] knome: yes [21:23] ^^ [21:23] sure [21:23] what's up? [21:25] i'll try to explain for you what i want to know... but my english is not that good [21:27] it looks ok this far :) [21:32] Documentation in Portuguese Brazil is hard to find. There are several suggestions on the launchpad, but it makes two months that no updates. How can I do to help to speed up this process? [21:33] right, you'll need somebody who can review the translations [21:33] let me dig up some information. [21:35] FlavioVinicius, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-pt-br [21:36] FlavioVinicius, people in that team (contact information and more on the description) should be able to help [21:36] i don't understand portuguese, but i'd imagine it has the information you need [21:37] sorry, that's the wrong team.. [21:37] FlavioVinicius, it would be this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-pt-br [21:38] but both of those teams should be more or less useful [21:39] FlavioVinicius, but generally, you will need to have at least 70% of the documentation translated until it will be included in the ISO [21:39] FlavioVinicius, once that's done, it will be included without any further actions really [21:39] (those 70% need to be reviewed) [21:41] knome: Thanks, I will try to contact and follow the information that is available on the pages you posted. [21:41] sure, np [21:41] if you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask - we'll help if we cna [21:42] and thanks for the interest and work with the translations! [21:42] I know thats necessary 70% of the documentation translated, but i wanna know why the review take so long. I'll contact the team. [21:42] :) [21:44] i don't know how the process actually goes (i guess i should, i'm a reviewer too...) but maybe they just aren't aware of it [21:44] knome: need an upload tonight? [21:44] bluesabre, nah. it was the startpage, so it's not translatable anyway [21:44] bluesabre, thanks for asking though :) [21:44] knome: any time [21:45] that said, we might want to think about making that translatable at some point too [21:45] and more specifically, get it into the docbook system