[06:39] <flocculant> morning
[10:34] <bluesabre> morning all
[11:42] <flocculant> with doc freeze today - we got updates for our docs? 
[11:42] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: ^^
[12:22] <flocculant> nvm - stopped being lazy and went to look :)
[13:13] <flocculant> quick comment on that stuff - restricted drivers, why do we tell people all that usc-edit-software sources and settings manager - software/updates 
[13:13] <flocculant> when people just need to type additional or less in menu text box and open additional drivers from there? 
[13:22] <flocculant> and I assume there's an easy way to read the docs rather than the xml files 
[13:29] <krytarik> flocculant: I'm usually using this, ftm: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/docs/
[13:29] <flocculant> krytarik: is that wily? 
[13:30] <krytarik> Yep - look at the revision number. :)
[13:30] <flocculant> hah
[13:30] <krytarik> Or the version up top. LOL
[13:30] <flocculant> the revision number means zilch if you don't know where it is now :D
[13:31] <flocculant> wily could be 752 ... 
[13:31] <krytarik> Yep.
[13:31] <flocculant> anyway - assume it is - has LO in it :p
[13:31] <krytarik> "Welcome to Xubuntu 15.10 Documentation!" :P
[13:31] <slickymasterWork> flocculant: we now, do have the pdf's
[13:31] <flocculant> I tried building it - just got a bunch of recipe errors - whatever they are 
[13:32] <krytarik> flocculant: Probably missing build depends.
[13:32] <flocculant> krytarik: ha ha ha - I never read the 'you need these tools' bits of manuals either :)
[13:32] <flocculant> krytarik: yea - was my assumption - so just 'read' the xml 
[13:33] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: yea - I have seen those discussions ongoing 
[13:33] <flocculant> and hi :)
[13:33] <krytarik> flocculant: Or just build the HTML version, for example.
[13:33] <slickymasterWork> flocculant: check if you have coreutils (>= 8.16),  debhelper (>= 9),  docbook-xml,  docbook-xsl, fonts-droid, fop, gnome-doc-utils and xsltproc
[13:33] <slickymasterWork> you'll need them to build the -docs
[13:33] <slickymasterWork> and also hi ;)
[13:34] <slickymasterWork> and krytarik, of course
[13:34] <krytarik> Hah, yeah, you too. :D
[13:35] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: didn't have some 
[13:35] <flocculant> I'd pieced together some things from the docs team wiki
[13:35] <slickymasterWork> there you have it. That's why you were'nt being able to build it
[13:36] <flocculant> doing more this time - building pdf's :)
[13:36] <slickymasterWork> :)
[13:37] <flocculant> though bit late this cycle to be looking ;)
[13:37]  * slickymasterWork smiles
[13:38] <flocculant> if you're really unlucky I might next cycle :p
[13:38] <slickymasterWork> hah
[13:38] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: all that aside - did you see comment re restricted drivers? 
[13:39] <slickymasterWork> was reading it now
[13:40] <slickymasterWork> now I lost them
[13:40] <slickymasterWork> will have to wait until http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/09/17/%23xubuntu-devel.html catch up
 quick comment on that stuff - restricted drivers, why do we tell people all that usc-edit-software sources and settings manager - software/updates 
 when people just need to type additional or less in menu text box and open additional drivers from there? 
[13:41] <flocculant> or not :)
[13:41] <flocculant> something to ponder in a month or two :)
[13:41] <slickymasterWork> well, that section is prior to menulibre, I think that's the reason
[13:42] <slickymasterWork> I'll put that correction on my todo list
[13:42] <flocculant> just a thought
[13:42] <flocculant> less to read :)
[13:42] <slickymasterWork> not so much a correction but some additional info on that
[13:42] <slickymasterWork> stop being so lazy :P
[13:43] <flocculant> ha ha 
[13:43]  * slickymasterWork is the same, tbh
[13:43] <flocculant> also - quick lesson in searching menulibre 
[13:43] <flocculant> two birds with one stone - even lazier \o/
[13:43] <slickymasterWork> yeah, kind of killing two rabbits with one stone
[13:43] <flocculant> much better - more meat 
[13:44] <flocculant> unless it's a really bug stone 
[13:44]  * slickymasterWork was convinced that in en the old saying was with rabbits, not with birds
[13:44] <flocculant> s/bug/big
[13:44] <flocculant> well - we are different nationalties 
[13:44] <slickymasterWork> in pt, it's with birds
[13:45] <flocculant> it is here too 
[13:45] <slickymasterWork> my mistake then
[13:49] <krytarik> flocculant: Ftm, if you want to fix something, look at the intro on the startpage. :)
[13:52] <flocculant> and which page is that 
[13:53] <flocculant> the one with 15.10 on it? 
[13:53] <krytarik> Yep.
[13:53] <flocculant> bah 
[13:53] <flocculant> why does that say to ... 
[13:54] <flocculant> provides information to the most
[13:55] <slickymasterWork> that paragraph has been there since (slighted altered) since I remember flocculant 
[13:55] <flocculant> let's change that before 16.04 then :)
[13:56] <slickymasterWork> it has been change in 15.04, or 14.10 iirc
[13:56] <flocculant> I could have sworn knome and I were looking at something like that recentlyish
[13:56] <flocculant> might have been slideshow ... 
[13:57] <slickymasterWork> maybe
[13:57] <flocculant> mmm
[13:57] <slickymasterWork> what about it do you disagree?
[13:57] <krytarik> flocculant: That was here: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/docs/C/index.html
[13:58] <flocculant> aaah yes 
[13:58] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: to needs to be on at the least
[13:58] <slickymasterWork> yeah, but that relates to the copyright stuff
[13:59] <flocculant> not sure we're talking about the same thing 
[13:59] <slickymasterWork> so "The Official Documentation provides information on the most common issues with Xubuntu." instead?
[13:59] <slickymasterWork> flocculant ^^
[13:59] <flocculant> yea 
[14:00] <flocculant> or "on some of" 
[14:00] <flocculant> but not 'to' 
[14:00] <slickymasterWork> ok, adding it also to my todo list
[14:00] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: is this todo list for xx ?
[14:00] <slickymasterWork> the irony, a lazy one putting some extra work on me :P
[14:00] <flocculant> ha ha 
[14:01] <slickymasterWork> yes, for the x cycle
[14:01] <flocculant> I can do an MP :)
[14:01] <slickymasterWork> I'd do it now, but over here I'm unable, was thinking of doing it tonight
[14:01] <flocculant> ok - well I'd not take too much notice of that just yet then, you can xx workitem me for reading through the whole lot
[14:02] <flocculant> which might be a longer list ... 
[14:02] <slickymasterWork> but if you want you can, I'll review and merge later when I get home
[14:02] <flocculant> ok 
[14:03] <qwebirc298254> flocculant, yeah, if going to do it, please deal also with the restricted drivers 
[14:04] <krytarik> qwebirc298254: I'd plan *that* for the X series though.
[14:05] <qwebirc298254> well, if he's eager to work krytarik, don't stop him 
[14:05] <krytarik> The other can and should still be done now.
[14:05] <krytarik> + one
[14:05] <qwebirc298254> but yes, I was planning it for X
[14:06] <krytarik> I'm referring to the need to (re-)translate stuff - Doc String Freeze is today.
[14:07] <flocculant> which is why I was saying maybe leave it all as it's doc freeze day
[14:07] <krytarik> Not relevant for the startpage though.
[14:07] <flocculant> so - do that or not? 
[14:07] <krytarik> Yep, do that. :)
[14:08] <krytarik> But not the other one.
[14:08] <krytarik> I mean, yep it's on the spot, but still. :P
[14:08] <slickymasterWork> well the source doc strings have be in order today, but it's still day ;)
[14:09] <slickymasterWork> and doc string freeze doesn't mean translations krytarik 
[14:11] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: Like I said, we could still do it, but I'd rather *not* have everyone retranslate that due to such a slight change. ;P
[14:12] <flocculant> well I pushed it - seems to have got mixed up with the thing still pending from before
[14:12] <slickymasterWork> I'm not disagreeing with you krytarik, just stating that translators should technically start their work after doc freeze
[14:13] <flocculant> and I would agree that no reason to look at restricted today 
[14:13] <flocculant> again that's been the same since we got menulibre and additional drivers - at least 1 cycle 
[14:13] <slickymasterWork> but that's not my policy as you know, otherwise I wouldn't make those translators calls at the start of each cycle
[14:15] <slickymasterWork> this one flocculant-> https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs
[14:16] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: that's what I mean by mixed up - that's the one that unit has showing that krytarik pointed at
[14:16] <flocculant> guess because it was left pending
[14:16] <flocculant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/revision/436
[14:16] <flocculant> is what I just did 
[14:17] <flocculant> no idea tbh - stupid bzr 
[14:18] <slickymasterWork> yeah rev 404 is already merged
[14:18] <slickymasterWork> I'll deal with rev 436 when I get home flocculant 
[14:19] <flocculant> ok :)
[14:20] <krytarik> flocculant: Since it also says "Merged", it'd seem that's just for historical purposes - just MP again now.
[14:21] <flocculant> do it again? 
[14:21] <slickymasterWork> did you do it the first time?
[14:21] <krytarik> flocculant: No, you just pushed, didn't MP yet.
[14:22] <slickymasterWork> I'm asking because I didn't get the mail about the MP flocculant?
[14:22] <slickymasterWork> exactly krytarik 
[14:22] <flocculant> remember now ... only done half of it :)
[14:22] <krytarik> lol
[14:23] <slickymasterWork> tss tss... silly lazy flocculant 
[14:23] <flocculant> done :)
[14:23] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: I can read the whole lot now and find some more ... 
[14:24] <krytarik> Hah, and the other one is gone now. :P
[14:24] <slickymasterWork> some more wthat, flocculant?
[14:25] <flocculant> one or two word fixes if you really think I'm silly lazy flocculant :p
[14:25] <slickymasterWork> hahahahah
[14:26] <slickymasterWork> don't overburden yourself ;P
[14:26] <flocculant> :D
[14:29] <krytarik> Personally, I think the whole sentence needs an overhaul that doesn't involve the word "issues". :D
[14:30] <krytarik> (But that'd be for X too.)
[14:30] <flocculant> well - as I said, I'll look at the whole caboodle if slickymasterWork puts a workitem on docs bp :)
[14:31] <krytarik> flocculant: Can't you add yourself?
[14:31] <flocculant> I could
[14:31] <slickymasterWork> gentlemen -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-x-docs
[14:31] <flocculant> but that's like carrying extra load deliberately :D
[14:32] <slickymasterWork> just assign it to me flocculant 
[14:32] <flocculant> assign what? 
[14:33] <slickymasterWork> I'll look at the whole caboodle if slickymasterWork puts a workitem on docs bp :)
[14:33] <slickymasterWork> that was you ^^^
[14:33] <flocculant> I've added me :)
[14:33] <slickymasterWork> good boy :)
[15:03] <SwissBot> feed xubuntu-docs had 4 updates, showing the latest 3
[18:28] <slickymaster> flocculant ^^
[20:43] <knome> slickymaster, you want those in for this cycle?
[20:44] <flocculant> slickymaster: saw - thanks
[20:44] <flocculant> hi knome :)
[20:44] <knome> hey flow-currant
[20:44] <flocculant> oh my
[20:44] <knome> ;)=
[20:44] <flocculant> that's a bit risque ... 
[20:44] <flocculant> :D
[20:44] <knome> it's a less known sibling of blackcurrant
[20:45] <flocculant> won't like 
[20:45] <knome> much more tart and sour
[20:45] <flocculant> sounds about right though 
[20:45] <knome> yep
[20:45] <flocculant> heh
[20:45] <knome> (i'm just kidding)
[20:45] <knome> of course..
[20:46] <flocculant> ... 
[20:46] <flocculant> I'm not ;)
[20:46] <knome> and for the docs issue - since it's the startpage, nvm me
[21:18] <FlavioVinicius> Boa tarde!
[21:18] <knome> ummm... hello
[21:19] <FlavioVinicius> Estive agora a pouco no canal com uma dúvida, sobre as traduções da documentação do Xubuntu.
[21:19] <FlavioVinicius> Alguém no canal faz parte do team de traduções?
[21:19] <knome> english please
[21:20] <FlavioVinicius> sorry guys rsrs
[21:20] <FlavioVinicius> i forgot that by a second 
[21:20] <knome> no problem
[21:21] <FlavioVinicius> Is there anyone here who get involved in the team traductions?
[21:22] <knome> traductions? do you mean translations?
[21:22] <FlavioVinicius> knome: yes
[21:23] <FlavioVinicius> ^^
[21:23] <knome> sure
[21:23] <knome> what's up?
[21:25] <FlavioVinicius> i'll try to explain for you what i want to know... but my english is not that good
[21:27] <knome> it looks ok this far :)
[21:32] <FlavioVinicius> Documentation in Portuguese Brazil is hard to find. There are several suggestions on the launchpad, but it makes two months that no updates. How can I do to help to speed up this process?
[21:33] <knome> right, you'll need somebody who can review the translations
[21:33] <knome> let me dig up some information.
[21:35] <knome> FlavioVinicius, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-pt-br
[21:36] <knome> FlavioVinicius, people in that team (contact information and more on the description) should be able to help
[21:36] <knome> i don't understand portuguese, but i'd imagine it has the information you need
[21:37] <knome> sorry, that's the wrong team..
[21:37] <knome> FlavioVinicius, it would be this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-pt-br
[21:38] <knome> but both of those teams should be more or less useful
[21:39] <knome> FlavioVinicius, but generally, you will need to have at least 70% of the documentation translated until it will be included in the ISO
[21:39] <knome> FlavioVinicius, once that's done, it will be included without any further actions really
[21:39] <knome> (those 70% need to be reviewed)
[21:41] <FlavioVinicius> knome: Thanks, I will try to contact and follow the information that is available on the pages you posted.
[21:41] <knome> sure, np
[21:41] <knome> if you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask - we'll help if we cna
[21:42] <knome> and thanks for the interest and work with the translations!
[21:42] <FlavioVinicius> I know thats necessary 70% of the documentation translated, but i wanna know why the review take so long. I'll contact the team.
[21:42] <FlavioVinicius> :)
[21:44] <knome> i don't know how the process actually goes (i guess i should, i'm a reviewer too...) but maybe they just aren't aware of it
[21:44] <bluesabre> knome: need an upload tonight?
[21:44] <knome> bluesabre, nah. it was the startpage, so it's not translatable anyway
[21:44] <knome> bluesabre, thanks for asking though :)
[21:44] <bluesabre> knome: any time
[21:45] <knome> that said, we might want to think about making that translatable at some point too
[21:45] <knome> and more specifically, get it into the docbook system