[01:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning mates
[01:40] <lotuspsychje> im installing 2 boxes with ubuntu that have mint + cinnamon on, the user had many issues with hibernation, system freezes,browser crashes,..
[01:40] <lotuspsychje> the guy spent 7 hours installing mint + packages on 1 box oO
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> and counted every hour working on it, she had to pay 300$
[01:43] <daftykins> :S to whom? or her own time?
[01:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Ouch for her ! I feel like she has been "taken" .
[01:43] <lotuspsychje> yes, he sat there drinking coffee, in her time
[01:43] <lotuspsychje> wth...
[01:44] <lotuspsychje> i once installed ubuntu on it for her, and he made a dualboot out of it with mint
[01:44] <daftykins> who is this joker :D
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> because she follows a linux class, and he's the teacher addicted to mint, he could overwelm her with that mints better
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:45] <Bashing-om> I HopE it is no one we know .
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> i feel embarrassed for my country lol
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> i told her not to work with him anymore and pass her 2 laptops to me
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> im doing both format in 1 hour lol
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> i wonder why so many users love mint, didnt cinnamon have big issues?
[01:48] <Bashing-om> ~~
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> or is it just mint's structure
[01:49] <lotuspsychje> the desktop felt green and minimal, but under the hood many issues
[01:51] <daftykins> it was definitely leaky to begin with
[01:52] <daftykins> i don't really understand why anyone would choose to get something second rate when they can get it at source, but then i suppose that's true in a manner of speaking with Ubuntu -> debian :)
[01:52] <daftykins> just i found debian never had sane defaults
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> and not so user friendly at the beginning
[01:53] <daftykins> ja
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:54] <Bashing-om> My intro was slackware, I found ubuntu a breath of fresh air .
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> cool
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> mine was early redhat
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> could choose gnome, kde or enlightment
[01:56] <daftykins> i followed some debian network install guides :>
[02:09] <lotuspsychje> the guy changed bios mode to IDE instead of AHCI for dualboot w7 + mint wtf
[02:14] <daftykins> >_<
[02:16] <daftykins> time for me to clock out, later folks \o
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: nite nite
[02:42] <OerHeks> LoLz, a mint teacher ..
[02:43] <OerHeks> oh, i should say sad sad, a mint teacher
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> morning OerHeks
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> !find generic firmware
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> !find generic-firmware
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:29] <MonkeyDust> my banking account ... using Tor browser ... inside a linux VM guest, with iptables enabled ... inside a linux host with iptabled enabled ... please tell me i'm being paranoid
[09:37] <lordievader> How many layers of encryption at the tor endpoint?
[09:41] <MonkeyDust> medium-high security, what does that say
[09:42] <lordievader> That is not what I am asking. Do you have just an ssl layer from the tor endpoint to the bank website?
[09:42] <MonkeyDust> not sure, i accepted the default options
[09:43] <lordievader> Because if you where really paranoid you'd have like a million layers of encryption on your connections to the bank.
[09:44] <MonkeyDust> thanks, that makes me feel a bit normal again
[09:44] <lordievader> :P
[09:45] <MonkeyDust> i was worrying about my mental sanity
[09:46] <lordievader> Too bad banks usually only support ssl.
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[09:49] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Just in time ;)
[09:49] <MonkeyDust> there's some SSL observe plugin installed
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: whats going on :p
[09:51] <lordievader> Not much, taking a break from studying for a bit.
[09:51] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> great, i found that ralink module on my own desktop, uses a generic firmware version
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> im wondering wich packages ubuntu installs on updates that have these generic firmwares in?
[09:55] <lordievader> You mean reverse dep on linux-firmware?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[09:55] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: https://paste.kde.org/pft6t2hf1
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> so the default module is rt2800pci.ko right
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> how can i see wich packages hold this generic firmware
[09:57] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Search for it with apt-file
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> updating apt-file
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> linux-image-extra-3.19.0-28-generic: /lib/modules/3.19.0-28-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt2800pci.ko
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> get a large index of dirs here
[10:03] <lordievader> So it is in many packages then ;) But it comes with the kernel.
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> so you think that generic firmware is in the newer kernel and thats why on updated system the wifi card works?
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> i dont know the exact name of the generic firmware package
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> shows like this: driver= rt2800pci driverversion= generic firmware and a number
[23:29] <daftykins> this hntty is a right asshat