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[00:57] <old_benz2> figured it out :) will post up later
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[01:49] <Joey_Bellows> Is the Galaxy Tab 4 compatible with Ubuntu touch? I am trying to set up my Tab 4 with it but cant find a definite answer
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Joey_Bellows
[01:50] <ubot5> Joey_Bellows: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> Joey_Bellows: check also the XDA forums for existing projects for your device
[01:51] <Joey_Bellows> lotuspsychje, I dont see an official or unofficial port for my Tab 4
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> Joey_Bellows: im not sure if one exist mate, idle here a bit to hear advice from the devs
[01:53] <Joey_Bellows> lotuspsychje, I hope one is on so I can ask, I want to test it out and if it is as good as I hope I would go full ubuntu
[01:53] <Joey_Bellows> well on mobile devices I am on Debian for my laptop OS for now
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> Joey_Bellows: you can always follow the porting guide here in 'topic'
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> Joey_Bellows: and i reccomend ubuntu on your laptop also :p
[01:55] <Joey_Bellows> lotuspsychje, I was on Ubuntu, playing with Debian for a while, want to learn from an OS that wont hold my hand as much lol
[01:56] <Joey_Bellows> lotuspsychje, the porting could be a fun project except I have 0 dev experience but I might have ot hop in and try anyway
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> me neither mate
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> Joey_Bellows: talk to the devs, maybe they know more?
[01:57] <Joey_Bellows> lotuspsychje, they definitely would but im not sure how much they can or will be willing to share
[01:58] <Stanley00> Joey_Bellows: well, I wouldn't recommend you try ubuntu then, ubuntu-touch is *just work* right now. In daily usage, it's kind of limited
[01:58] <Joey_Bellows> Stanley00, I would still like to try it just to get a feel for it
[01:59] <Joey_Bellows> Stanley00, I read a review on the Ubuntu phone and from what I read the experience was quite nice
[02:01] <Stanley00> Joey_Bellows: yeah, I love my ubuntu phone. Performance is great, but the UX is not so good, so you will feel like it's slow
[02:02] <Joey_Bellows> Stanley00, Im not too worried about that, I dont use my tablet as much as my phone and I just want away from the big 3, Apple Microsoft and Google
[02:02] <Stanley00> Joey_Bellows: and, the notification is very limited right now, all notifications I can get are from gmail, sms, phone call, and system update.
[02:02] <ahoneybun> twitter as well
[02:05] <Joey_Bellows> Stanley00, im not particularly worried about it being rough around the edges I just want my data away from the big 3, also are you in EU? I didnt think the Ubuntu phone was in the states?
[02:06] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, I dont really tweet but I do read stuff on twitter so that would be nice
[02:06] <Stanley00> Joey_Bellows: I've searched the web, looks like you have to port ubuntu-touch by yourself :(
[02:06] <Joey_Bellows> Stanley00, time to craft myself a dev hat and toss it on lol
[02:07] <Stanley00> Joey_Bellows: well, I'm not from EU. But I have a trip there when BQ sell the E5. Lucky me :3
[02:07] <Joey_Bellows> although maybe it isnt as bad as I think
[02:07] <ahoneybun> it's nice
[02:07] <Joey_Bellows> Stanley00, you are lucky as hell
[02:07] <ahoneybun> Joey_Bellows: http://usefoss.com/index.php/2015/09/16/converting-to-ubuntu-touch/
[02:07] <Stanley00> Joey_Bellows: But I heard that BQ had plan to sell BQ world wide. You can buy one, but it won't support 4G network.
[02:08] <Joey_Bellows> you too if you have it ahoneybun
[02:08] <ahoneybun> Joey_Bellows: well I have the Nexus 4
[02:09] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, well you can still pop Ubuntu on it, my S6 I didnt see in the list
[02:09] <ahoneybun> Joey_Bellows: I have it on it thats how I know about twitter
[02:09] <ahoneybun> the S6 is still rather new
[02:10] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, I wish I would not have gotten it, for reasons other than not being ubuntu compatible
[02:10] <ahoneybun> the Nexus 4 is the best device in the US atm
[02:11] <ahoneybun> mm
[02:11] <ahoneybun> I was looking at a Note 5 myself
[02:17] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, I wish Samsung hadnt taken the removable battery and SD slot out thats my main problem, shit battery life
[02:17] <ahoneybun> yea
[02:19] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, my S6 is terrible compared to my old G3
[02:19] <ahoneybun> mm
[02:19] <ahoneybun> that's sad to hear
[02:19] <ahoneybun> my OnePlus One has been getting weird life
[02:20] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking its the ROM
[02:21] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, I havent rooted my S6, if I do samsung pay is gone and that might be useful
[02:21] <Joey_Bellows> damn KNOX
[02:22] <ahoneybun> yea HTC was a bit weird to work with at well
[02:22] <ahoneybun> I hear from some people Android Pay is killed by root but Google Wallet works fine
[02:22] <ahoneybun> till I get update maybe
[02:23] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, there is a way to root without tripping KNOX by using a Dev/Testing ROM then the custom one but I havent tried and idk if its been patched
[02:24] <ahoneybun> so many bridges to cross to make it worth it
[02:25] <Joey_Bellows> ahoneybun, yep its a pain in the ass to Root
[02:25] <Joey_Bellows> I might do it anyway
[02:25] <ahoneybun> Joey_Bellows: the CoC applies in here
[02:26] <Joey_Bellows> if only I could root with Touch -___-
[02:26] <ahoneybun> mm
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[08:28] <guest42315> welp, i can't add/edit reviews on ubuntu store (mx4)
[08:41] <guest42315> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1497161
[08:41] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1497161 in Canonical System Image "Can't add or edit reviews in Ubuntu Store" [Undecided,New]
[09:01] <guest42315> 2015-09-18 11:48:39,970 - CRITICAL - Network error submitting a reviews for: monsterwars.t-mon
[09:01] <guest42315> 2015-09-18 11:48:45,222 - WARNING - QThreadStorage: Thread 0xac13c318 exited after QThreadStorage 2 destroyed
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Respect Day! 😃
[09:02] <guest42315> 2015-09-18 11:48:39,967 - WARNING - Network error: "Error downloading https://reviews.ubuntu.com/click/api/1.0/reviews/ - server replied: Bad Gateway (499)"
[09:02] <guest42315>  "<html><body><h1>502 Bad Gateway</h1>
[09:02] <guest42315> The server returned an invalid or incomplete response.
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[09:22] <popey> guest42315: looks like a dodgy network connection
[09:23] <guest42315> popey, it's the same connection as always (wifi via my router)
[09:24] <guest42315> popey, and the same connection worked before
[09:24] <guest42315> popey, i'll try restarting my router maybe?
[09:26] <popey> guest42315: maybe test netwok connection from terminal?
[09:27] <guest42315> popey, how to do that? btw.. the internet works just fine on the phone. i just can't add reviews to ubuntu store
[09:27] <guest42315> popey, everything else works
[09:27] <popey> strange, JamesTait ^ do you know if there's a problem with reviews?
[09:28] <JamesTait> Nothing that I'm aware of, but I'll have a look now.
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[09:30] <ogra_> popey, sounds more like a dodgy server connection between the frontend of the server and a backend
[09:31] <JamesTait> Yeah. I know we did some work there this week, but I wasn't aware of any problems.
[09:33] <svij> someone in the phone-insiders telegram-groups reported a similar problem.
[09:33] <guest42315> <-me
[09:33] <guest42315> :D
[09:33] <chrisc> hi, i was wondering if there is a ubuntu phone ticket for full disk encryption
[09:33] <svij> guest42315: oh :D
[09:34] <svij> guest42315: secretly hiding as a guest… ;)
[09:34] <popey> chrisc: it's something we want to do, but not anytime soon
[09:34] <guest42315> svij, yeah :>
[09:34] <chrisc> popey: fair enough, do you know if there is a ticket for it?
[09:34] <popey> i dont think there is
[09:35] <chrisc> popey: ok, i'll open one
[09:35] <popey> ok
[09:35] <JamesTait> guest42315, popey: RnR problem is being investigated. ☺
[09:35] <chrisc> popey: fwiw i have had a play with luks on a phone http://ubuntu-phone.host1.webarch.net/wiki/Encrypted_Home
[09:35] <popey> ooh
[09:35] <guest42315> JamesTait, yay
[09:37] <chrisc> popey: whare on launchpad sould i open a ticket?
[09:38] <popey> chrisc: https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[09:38] <chrisc> popey: ta
[09:41] <chrisc> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1497197
[09:41] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1497197 in Canonical System Image "Full disk encryption for Ubuntu Touch using LUKS" [Undecided,New]
[09:45] <popey> thanks chrisc
[09:45] <chrisc> popey: no problem :-)
[09:45] <popey> (I would like this too)
[09:46] <ogra_> popey, i wont say it ... i wont, nope ...
[09:46]  * ogra_ whispers "snappy" 
[09:46] <popey> :(
[09:47] <popey> Does snappy do full disk encryption?
[09:47] <ogra_> planned for the very near future, yes
[09:47]  * chrisc wonders what snappy is
[09:48] <ogra_> the next evolution step of the phone system
[09:48] <ogra_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[09:48] <ogra_> eventually the phone will switch to it
[09:49] <chrisc> ah cool
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[09:50] <svij> ogra_: "eventually"? I thought that is it about "when" it will happen (and not "if") ?
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[09:50] <popey> eventually means when
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[09:51] <ogra_> yeah :)
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[09:51] <svij> oh
[09:51]  * svij mixed up german with english, sorry.
[09:52] <guest42315> JamesTait, popey restarted router, same thing. i'll try with a diff ISP later
[09:53] <JamesTait> guest42315, it's definitely our end.
[09:54] <guest42315> JamesTait, ok then :D i can move to other bugs
[09:56] <JamesTait> Thanks for letting us know, guest42315. I'll try to keep you posted.
[09:58] <guest42315> JamesTait, np :D i enjoy sending bug reports (maybe a little to much :))) )
[09:59] <guest42315> ogra_, have you seen something like this before? http://i.imgur.com/KkX6ZZw.png
[10:00] <ogra_> guest42315, yeah, i think there are bugs open for that
[10:00] <chrisc> fwiw i also have a randomly encrypted ~/tmp on my ubuntu phone, I just added the script for this to the bottom of this page https://ubuntu-phone.host1.webarch.net/wiki/Encrypted_Home
[10:00] <guest42315> i'm 99.99% sure i did not charge the phone, because the charger was at my brother (but then i was sort of drunk that day :)) and i can't be 100% sure )
[10:00] <guest42315> ogra_,  oh :D then it's a known bug
[10:10] <chrisc> anyone know if there is a bug for the lack of advert / web bug blocking in the browser?
[10:16]  * chrisc opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1497210
[10:16] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1497210 in Canonical System Image "[browser] There is no way to block adverts, web bugs and trackers in the web browser " [Undecided,New]
[10:18] <popey> chrisc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers is a handy page to bookmark, lists projects in which you should file bugs
[10:18] <popey> c-d-s-i is good if you can't find the right one tho
[10:19] <chrisc> popey: thanks, i couldn't find the browser here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/ ...
[10:19] <popey> webbrowser-app
[10:20] <chrisc> ah, shouldn't that be listed under "Projects" here? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/
[10:20] <popey> no
[10:20] <popey> its not a core app
[10:21] <chrisc> :-)
[10:22] <popey> its complicated
[10:22] <popey> </facebook>
[10:22] <chrisc> popey: right, no worries, do i have permission to move that bug to the right place?
[10:23] <popey> I have done it
[10:23] <chrisc> popey: thanks :-)
[10:23] <popey> np
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[11:07] <stakewinner00> how can i reduce ram usage? 591M when I only opened a terminal seems to much for a phone. In fact my computer are using 150M now...
[11:08] <mcphail> stakewinner00: this is linux... Unused RAM is wasted RAM. Have you been having problems running out of memory?
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[11:13] <stakewinner00> mcphail, then, why not use the 100% of RAM for the OS?
[11:14] <mcphail> stakewinner00: mine is using 100%...
[11:15] <mcphail> (and usually does)
[11:16] <stakewinner00> mcphail, the phone slows down if i open some apps in the same time,
[11:16] <stakewinner00> if the OS are consuming 50% of the RAM, the apps can only use 50% of the RAM
[11:18] <stakewinner00> My computer if i close everithing consume 120M aprox, 5 GB of RAM can be used for programs like firefox, virtualbox, etc.
[11:22] <jgdx> stakewinner00, I don't think this discussion can lead anywhere. Either hope that someone in here are linux memory allocation experts and can chime in, or read up on it.
[11:23] <mcphail> stakewinner00: If your phone is slowing down because you have a few apps open, that is a bug
[11:24] <mcphail> stakewinner00: backgrounded apps should be in a suspended or stopped state, ready to be killed if memory is exhausted
[11:25] <mcphail> stakewinner00: something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1480877 would be a more usual cause of lag
[11:25] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1480877 in network-manager (Ubuntu RTM) "Access points' "PropertiesChanged" dbus signals freeze UI on mobile devices" [High,In progress]
[11:51] <stakewinner00> i opened 7 or 8 apps and don't responds lol i'll restart the phone...
[11:53] <stakewinner00> mcphail, but background apps will consum swap space too, and if you opened multiple apps the memory can be exhausted
[11:54] <popey> mcphail: yes, and the kernel takes care of that
[11:54] <popey> er, stakewinner00 :)
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[12:20] <jgdx> Elleo, morning, is this implementable currently? Bug 1465202
[12:20] <ubot5> bug 1465202 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) ""Spell checking" screen is missing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465202
[12:22] <jgdx> Elleo, … or do we need new functionality in ukeyboard?
[12:26] <Elleo> jgdx: custom words could potentially be implemented, I'm not sure about the language selection stuff though, currently we tie that to the layout and the last time it was discussed people were against separating them
[12:26] <Elleo> jgdx: although really we don't have proper spellchecking as I think those designs expect
[12:26] <Elleo> jgdx: currently the spellchecking tick box only relates to checking of the current word being typed, whereas I think the design expects it to be actual spell checking of all the input (but we need better support in Qt for that)
[12:28] <jgdx> Elleo, okay. Now it appears as this is just a matter of “fixing” System Settings. When you have time, could you refresh that bug a little, so it reflects reality?
[12:28] <Elleo> jgdx: custom words just needs to edit the relevant language file in ~/.local/share/maliit-server/ (e.g. en_userDictionary.dic) for custom English words (just a plain list)
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[12:29] <jgdx> Elleo, okay, that's great. Would be awesome to implement that.
[12:58] <jgdx> Elleo, thanks for the feedback
[13:00] <Elleo> jgdx: no problem
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[13:43] <hbend> hi every body
[13:43] <popey> hello
[13:44] <Guest30724> hey
[13:47] <davmor2> hello
[13:48] <jgdx> sup
[13:49] <davmor2> jgdx: ceiling, tree canapé, clouds, sky, space, stars
[13:51] <jgdx> davmor2, from britain import dry_wit
[13:52] <davmor2> jgdx: dry_wit is not available please install sarcasm
[13:55] <jgdx> davmor2, that should also be in the britain package, no?
[13:56] <davmor2> jgdx: dry_wit is surely a subset of sarcasm I guess :)
[13:57] <jgdx> davmor2, let's just all agree that you drink too much tea over there
[13:58] <davmor2> jgdx: I mostly drink coffee :P
[14:05] <jgdx> :)
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[15:17] <old_benz2> mcphail: I got Ubuntu Touch to boot on my new revision Nexus 7.  I explained the procedure here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/674179/ubuntu-device-flash-fails-on-nexus-7-2013-android-5-0-2-cant-copy…
[15:17] <old_benz2> …-image-to
[15:18] <old_benz2> question: why does UT hold a connection to santol.canonical.com?
[15:20] <ogra_> are you sure that hostname is right ?
[15:20]  * ogra_ never heard of it 
[15:21] <old_benz2> yup, I'm running netstat on the device itself
[15:21] <old_benz2> who's ACTION?
[15:21] <ogra_> there are multiple things that talk to servers regulary though .. for coverart, for geoip data, to auth your U1 account ... for notifications
[15:25] <old_benz2> I have location disabled and no account setup...  so is there no way to install apps from the store without Anaxagore  account?
[15:25] <old_benz2> *an
[15:25] <ogra_> right
[15:26] <ogra_> you can sidleoad apps from cmdline if you want to
[15:27] <old_benz2> yeah..  I just dont like my things phoning home all the time so I want to track down this connection
[15:29] <ogra_> did you disable crash reporting ?
[15:29] <old_benz2> yes
[15:29] <davmor2> old_benz2: are you running nework time?
[15:30] <old_benz2> nope, no NTP
[15:31] <davmor2> online scope then maybe
[15:31] <old_benz2> ooh, how do I kill that?
[15:31] <old_benz2> not sure what that is
[15:33] <old_benz2> lol, also restart doesn't restart my tablet, seems to power it off.  could be due to my hacked up recovery though
[15:33] <davmor2> old_benz2: are you on rc-proposed or devel-proposed?
[15:34] <old_benz2> "stable"
[15:35] <old_benz2> update?
[15:38] <davmor2> old_benz2: in that case there is a bug that stop bug reporting from being turned off it is fixed in rc-proposed
[15:41] <old_benz2> thank you
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[16:10] <jason22> Hi all.  Does Touch have any gestures (maybe the wrong word) for copying/pasting text?  Is that app specific?  And more generally, is this documented anywhere?
[16:14] <popey> jason22: copy and paste is a bit busted at the moment, should be fixed soon
[16:18] <jason22> ok popey thank you
[16:18] <popey> np
[16:21] <mcphail> old_benz2: great! bookmarked it
[16:21] <mcphail> old_benz2: cheers
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[19:48] <mterry> mpt, were you working with MacSlow on the phone-flashing animation?
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