| ball | Is it fair to describe python as a package that is shipped with the operating system. It's not part of Linux, right? | 01:39 |
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| Azelphur | correct, Python is not part of Linux | 01:39 |
| ball | Thanks. I thought that was the case but wanted to check with Linux people before I clicked the [reply] button. | 01:40 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 05:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 05:55 |
| MooDoo | phew thought i was the only nutter up this early :D | 06:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | i thought it was just me and my singing potatos... | 06:07 |
| MooDoo | lol | 06:08 |
| shauno | singing potatos? | 06:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | red dwarf reference | 06:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | bonus, irish government has announced spending €1m on encouraging irish people to eat more potatos so we may well soon have singing potatos :-) | 06:15 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: can you edit the RAT info and add Where: The Mulberry 5:30pm there? | 07:45 |
| czajkowski | please | 07:45 |
| czajkowski | zmoylan-pi: POTATOES! | 07:45 |
| czajkowski | zmoylan-pi: although popey has a unique way of saying that word! | 07:46 |
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| knightwise | Peh-taatoohs | 08:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | spuds | 08:03 |
| bashrc_ | teapots | 08:04 |
| MooDoo | bang tidy! | 08:04 |
| czajkowski | TEA++ | 08:04 |
| bashrc_ | mornington crescent! | 08:04 |
| czajkowski | hmm I have edit power | 08:05 |
| czajkowski | done :) | 08:05 |
| czajkowski | on the LTP | 08:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | now you can smite your enemies >:-) | 08:05 |
| czajkowski | smite | 08:06 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | a good smite goes a long way :-) | 08:07 |
| popey | POH-TAY-TOES! | 08:11 |
| SuperMatt | boil 'em mash 'em stick 'em in a stew | 08:11 |
| SuperMatt | 😋 | 08:12 |
| bigcalm | Birdseye potato waffles, they're waffley versatile | 08:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | for mash get smash | 08:12 |
| czajkowski | http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/crash-hot-potatoes/ nice new way to do them | 08:13 |
| SuperMatt | 🍠 - there's a sweet potato emoji, but no regular potato | 08:13 |
| Myrtti | I should have some breakfast | 08:14 |
| MooDoo | Mines ordered and on it's way at 9:45 :D | 08:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | somewhere out there there's a bowl of weetabix with my name on it... | 08:14 |
| MooDoo | I've got BACON!!!! coming | 08:14 |
| SuperMatt | I've had my crunchy nut, but it has done nothing to cure my slither of a hangover | 08:15 |
| knightwise | Spotify discover playlist + mpsYoutube :) = Free music | 08:15 |
| czajkowski | popey: new way for you to try out the tatties! | 08:16 |
| czajkowski | I had beans on toast today | 08:16 |
| czajkowski | nyomy | 08:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | too warm for toast... but winter is coming... | 08:16 |
| SuperMatt | now I want cheese and beans on toast | 08:16 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: you can go off people you know | 08:16 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:17 |
| SuperMatt | stupid canteen wouldn't accomodate that though | 08:17 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: I would edit the loco page for the RAT, but somebody else has already done it | 08:17 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: moi :) | 08:17 |
| czajkowski | I have edit rights | 08:17 |
| czajkowski | which I didn't know till I logged in | 08:17 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: nah ;) | 08:18 |
| czajkowski | beans on toast with some bacon perhaps the next time, golden crispy bacon | 08:19 |
| davmor2 | Last fires will rise, behind those eyes, black house will rock, Blind boys don't liiiiiiiiiiieeeeeee ah G tom mac | 08:19 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: righteo :) | 08:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's why you get the micro microwave to cook the beans on the sly.... http://gizmodo.com/5283559/beanzawave-usb-powered-beans-microwave-is-what-usb-was-created-for | 08:21 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: lost boys sound track? | 08:23 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: I already added people are strange and for some reason I woke up with this in my head this morning, I think it is telling me I need to watch the lost boys :) | 08:24 |
| MooDoo | go for it... | 08:25 |
| ali1234 | so that's why they created USB3 | 08:29 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Respect Day! 😃 | 09:01 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:05 |
| MooDoo | howdy both | 09:06 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:07 |
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| popey | bigcalm: do you use telegram? | 12:07 |
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| bigcalm | popey: I don't. What is it? Should I use it? | 12:12 |
| popey | yes | 12:12 |
| bigcalm | Very yes | 12:12 |
| popey | http://desktop.telegram.org/ and also app on phone | 12:12 |
| popey | job done | 12:12 |
| bigcalm | Free forever and no ads - what's the catch? | 12:14 |
| popey | you'll keep getting messages from me | 12:20 |
| bigcalm | Sounds dodgy | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | I'm somewhat tempted by Telegram, but it's so handy to have my chat history in gmail archive where I can easily search it | 12:38 |
| shauno | I don't really see the value proposition of Telegram. Poorly implemented crypto with a very limited userbase | 12:39 |
| Myrtti | https://instagram.com/p/6imd5goE6W/ vs https://youtu.be/5c6zb2ITAbM | 12:46 |
| popey | network effect, same as any chat system | 12:48 |
| popey | Myrtti: one of the linked videos from that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AtP7au_Q9w | 12:50 |
| popey | so cute | 12:50 |
| bigcalm | I appear to have automatic contacts, odd | 13:02 |
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| diplo | What a small world, sat in a local food place eating lunch and a guy over heard our *nixy type conversation | 13:07 |
| diplo | Turns out he's Richard Morrel from Redhat, lives close by :) | 13:08 |
| diplo | Went from an hour lunch to 2 and bit learning lots of stuff | 13:08 |
| bigcalm | Nice | 13:09 |
| Azelphur | Hmm, I just spotted the Intel Compute Stick up for £79.99 on Amazon, For anyone that doesn't know, Windows 8 version: £79.99 32GB Storage 2GB RAM, Linux version: £79.99 8GB storage 2GB RAM. Are there any similar devices that don't penalise you for wanting to use Linux? XD | 13:58 |
| Azelphur | sorry, Linux version is 1GB RAM | 13:58 |
| popey | dabs had them on sale recently too - the windows one | 14:01 |
| popey | the windows one was more expensive, but they've dropped the price | 14:02 |
| directhex | this typically happens when a product launches with multiple OSes | 14:03 |
| directhex | the windows version ends up getting discounts, the linux one stays at original RRP | 14:04 |
| Azelphur | popey, yea but I don't wanna use it with Windows, and it sounds like it doesn't support Ubuntu too well if you wanna do it manually | 14:04 |
| Azelphur | directhex, and the Windows one is vastly higher spec | 14:05 |
| popey | yeah, this is not news | 14:05 |
| Azelphur | I wouldn't wanna run Kodi in 8GB, I've done it before and it runs out of space for the image caches :( | 14:05 |
| awilkins | It used to be the Linux one was better | 14:37 |
| awilkins | Netbooks had better stats for the Linux models because they didn't have to eat the cost of an OEM license for Windows | 14:38 |
| Azelphur | indeed, should be the way | 14:39 |
| directhex | windows is basically free for sufficiently low-spec devices | 14:39 |
| directhex | but | 14:39 |
| Azelphur | tbh I'd be ok even if it was equal specs and same price, but vastly less specs just make it unworkable for me as I say | 14:39 |
| directhex | the bundled crapware - antivirus trials etc - cost negative money. the oem gets paid to include them | 14:39 |
| Azelphur | so was curious if anyone knew of anything similar, 8GB just simply isn't enough to run Kodi in | 14:39 |
| directhex | so on bottom-spec devices, windows costs negative money compared to linux | 14:39 |
| awilkins | Bundleware also effectively reduces the spec of your device by consuming resources | 14:39 |
| popey | normals don't know that | 14:40 |
| awilkins | Can you buy the Windows one and nuke it, or is SecureBoot enabled and locked? | 14:40 |
| Azelphur | awilkins: you can, but I stopped reading after "Contact realtek and ask them for the wireless drivers" | 14:40 |
| popey | That's two separate things. | 14:41 |
| awilkins | (is that a problem? do we still have permission *tugs forelock* from MS to install Linux on things?) | 14:41 |
| popey | I don't believe secureboot is an issue for it | 14:41 |
| popey | the wireless drivers aren't in trunk, are they, that's why | 14:41 |
| awilkins | Urrgh, I hate that | 14:42 |
| awilkins | My days of using Gentoo and building bleeding edge kernels to support TV capture hardware are done | 14:42 |
| diddledan_ | awilkins: you've never lived until you've compiled several kernels for Gentoo :-) | 14:44 |
| shauno | all my tv capture needs are handled by stock ethernet drivers now ;) | 14:44 |
| zmoylan-1i | but at least you felt you got value for spending a few extra bob on the cpu then :-) | 14:44 |
| diddledan_ | Gentoo is fun :-p | 14:45 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: LFS | 14:45 |
| popey | Pfft, Core Linux | 14:45 |
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| diddledan_ | davmor2: I tried that | 14:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | 1 | 14:45 |
| diddledan_ | I didn't get as far as X11 | 14:45 |
| diddledan_ | sooo slow | 14:45 |
| shauno | I tried LFS too. I was quite happy I had my distro down to ~40Mb. but updates were cruel&unusual | 14:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | but at 40mb you could email yourself the updates for install... :-) | 14:51 |
| davmor2 | at 40Mb the email would probably be bigger | 14:53 |
| shauno | moving them wasn't the problem. it was keeping track of upstream | 14:53 |
| popey | yeah, i was subscribing to freshmeat updates at one point | 14:53 |
| popey | updating packages left and right | 14:53 |
| popey | then i tried to build mozilla web browser and ran out of disk space | 14:53 |
| popey | on a poor little dell piii 500Mhz | 14:53 |
| shauno | yeah. seamonkey was roughly as big as .. everything else combined. | 14:54 |
| shauno | I even tried building OOo once. once. | 14:54 |
| popey | yeah, same | 14:55 |
| popey | that was daft :) | 14:55 |
| davmor2 | popey: Bigron gave up on using Gentoo one summer when his cpu over heated | 14:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | it just loaded and played laugh.mp3 when you tried? :-) | 14:55 |
| popey | dependencies | 14:55 |
| popey | I was using Core which had no package manager | 14:56 |
| davmor2 | He was installing OOo | 14:56 |
| popey | everything was wget, ./configure, rinse repeat, eventually make, make install | 14:56 |
| shauno | building OOo during summer?! | 14:56 |
| shauno | that's a job you save for when you want the computer to contribute to your heating costs. | 14:56 |
| shauno | I think my biggest stand-out memory from LFS, was the whole bootstrap process for gcc. I don't think I ever got my head around that | 14:57 |
| shauno | something like .. you built a bit of gcc, then used that to build the rest, then used that to build the whole lot again, and then used that to build glibc | 14:58 |
| dutchie | iirc there's a "check that the bootstrapped compiler gives the same output as the hosting one" step in there too | 14:58 |
| shauno | the "terminator 2" build process | 14:59 |
| shauno | it really did feel like the hhgtg approach to flying though. that the whole process wouldn't actually work if you understood it. | 15:01 |
| awilkins | Yeah, you built your toolchain.. then build the basic libs with it | 15:20 |
| awilkins | Then built your toolchain again to make sure it was optimized | 15:20 |
| awilkins | Or summat | 15:20 |
| Azelphur | popey: http://home.azelphur.com/speedtest-results/output.html holy cow look at 2015-09-17 | 15:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | upgrade iphone iwatch day? | 15:21 |
| shauno | yesterday | 15:24 |
| shauno | ah, yeah. I haven't looked at the numbers for a while. didn't realise 17 was yesterday | 15:24 |
| shauno | hah, no, it was the 16th. about 6pm. I'll shut up now. | 15:25 |
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| Azelphur | Also I just realised something, when my new monitors arrive it will be a momentous day, finally after all these years I will officially stop whining about terrible multiple X screen support, as I won't be using it | 15:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | braille? :-) | 15:54 |
| Azelphur | nah, going to one GPU | 15:54 |
| popey | one very large gpu | 15:55 |
| Azelphur | 980, so yea | 15:55 |
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| Azelphur | Question for someone knowledgable, I know ofcom did a lot of stuff regarding ISPs and download speeds, baring in mind my ISP has admitted to me that my speeds are poor due to overselling, and I am building up evidence which clearly shows really poor connectivity during peak times, is there something ofcom can do about it? | 17:47 |
| Azelphur | eg I'm on a 70mbit line and BTs speed tester says acceptable line speed is 40mbit, my connection was <40mbit (average more like 10mbit) for 4 hours, this kinda thing is common | 17:48 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: ask them :D | 18:38 |
| StevenR_ | Azelphur: what are you actually paying for? | 18:56 |
| shauno | ooh, so that's A Thing now; https://www.microbit.co.uk/ | 19:35 |
| popey | microbit is late, I bought a codebug which is similar | 20:11 |
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| MooDoo | evening all | 21:01 |
| daftykins | hallo | 21:05 |
| popey | yo yo | 21:07 |
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| Azelphur | StevenR_: up to 72mbit | 22:25 |
| StevenR_ | Azelphur: what's the max that you can get to? | 23:27 |
| Azelphur | 72 | 23:28 |
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