[01:39] <ball> Is it fair to describe python as a package that is shipped with the operating system. It's not part of Linux, right?
[01:39] <Azelphur> correct, Python is not part of Linux
[01:40] <ball> Thanks. I thought that was the case but wanted to check with Linux people before I clicked the [reply] button.
[05:46] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:55] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:05] <MooDoo> phew thought i was the only nutter up this early :D
[06:07] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was just me and my singing potatos...
[06:08] <MooDoo> lol
[06:13] <shauno> singing potatos?
[06:14] <zmoylan-pi> red dwarf reference
[06:15] <zmoylan-pi> bonus, irish government has announced spending €1m on encouraging irish people to eat more potatos so we may well soon have singing potatos :-)
[07:45] <czajkowski> bigcalm: can you edit the RAT info and add Where: The Mulberry  5:30pm there?
[07:45] <czajkowski> please
[07:45] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: POTATOES!
[07:46] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: although popey has a unique way of saying that word!
[08:03] <knightwise> Peh-taatoohs
[08:03] <zmoylan-pi> spuds
[08:04] <bashrc_> teapots
[08:04] <MooDoo> bang tidy!
[08:04] <czajkowski> TEA++
[08:04] <bashrc_> mornington crescent!
[08:05] <czajkowski> hmm I have edit power
[08:05] <czajkowski> done :)
[08:05] <czajkowski> on the LTP
[08:05] <zmoylan-pi> now you can smite your enemies >:-)
[08:06] <czajkowski> smite
[08:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:07] <zmoylan-pi> a good smite goes a long way :-)
[08:11] <popey> POH-TAY-TOES!
[08:11] <SuperMatt> boil 'em mash 'em stick 'em in a stew
[08:12] <SuperMatt> 😋
[08:12] <bigcalm> Birdseye potato waffles, they're waffley versatile
[08:12] <zmoylan-pi> for mash get smash
[08:13] <czajkowski> http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/crash-hot-potatoes/  nice new way to do them
[08:13] <SuperMatt> 🍠 - there's a sweet potato emoji, but no regular potato
[08:14] <Myrtti> I should have some breakfast
[08:14] <MooDoo> Mines ordered and on it's way at 9:45 :D
[08:14] <zmoylan-pi> somewhere out there there's a bowl of weetabix with my name on it...
[08:14] <MooDoo> I've got BACON!!!! coming
[08:15] <SuperMatt> I've had my crunchy nut, but it has done nothing to cure my slither of a hangover
[08:15] <knightwise> Spotify discover playlist + mpsYoutube :) = Free music
[08:16] <czajkowski> popey: new way for you to try out the tatties!
[08:16] <czajkowski> I had beans on toast today
[08:16] <czajkowski> nyomy
[08:16] <zmoylan-pi> too warm for toast... but winter is coming...
[08:16] <SuperMatt> now I want cheese and beans on toast
[08:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: you can go off people you know
[08:17] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:17] <SuperMatt> stupid canteen wouldn't accomodate that though
[08:17] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I would edit the loco page for the RAT, but somebody else has already done it
[08:17] <czajkowski> bigcalm: moi :)
[08:17] <czajkowski> I have edit rights
[08:17] <czajkowski> which I didn't know till I  logged in
[08:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: nah ;)
[08:19] <czajkowski> beans on toast with some bacon perhaps the next time, golden crispy bacon
[08:19] <davmor2> Last fires will rise, behind those eyes, black house will rock, Blind boys don't liiiiiiiiiiieeeeeee ah G tom mac
[08:20] <bigcalm> czajkowski: righteo :)
[08:21] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you get the micro microwave to cook the beans on the sly.... http://gizmodo.com/5283559/beanzawave-usb-powered-beans-microwave-is-what-usb-was-created-for
[08:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: lost boys sound track?
[08:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: I already added people are strange and for some reason I woke up with this in my head this morning, I think it is telling me I need to watch the lost boys :)
[08:25] <MooDoo> go for it...
[08:29] <ali1234> so that's why they created USB3
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Respect Day! 😃
[09:05] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <MooDoo> howdy both
[09:07] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[12:07] <popey> bigcalm: do you use telegram?
[12:12] <bigcalm> popey: I don't. What is it? Should I use it?
[12:12] <popey> yes
[12:12] <bigcalm> Very yes
[12:12] <popey> http://desktop.telegram.org/ and also app on phone
[12:12] <popey> job done
[12:14] <bigcalm> Free forever and no ads - what's the catch?
[12:20] <popey> you'll keep getting messages from me
[12:21] <bigcalm> Sounds dodgy
[12:38] <Myrtti> I'm somewhat tempted by Telegram, but it's so handy to have my chat history in gmail archive where I can easily search it
[12:39] <shauno> I don't really see the value proposition of Telegram.  Poorly implemented crypto with a very limited userbase
[12:46] <Myrtti> https://instagram.com/p/6imd5goE6W/ vs https://youtu.be/5c6zb2ITAbM
[12:48] <popey> network effect, same as any chat system
[12:50] <popey> Myrtti: one of the linked videos from that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AtP7au_Q9w
[12:50] <popey> so cute
[13:02] <bigcalm> I appear to have automatic contacts, odd
[13:07] <diplo> What a small world, sat in a local food place eating lunch and a guy over heard our *nixy type conversation
[13:08] <diplo> Turns out he's Richard Morrel from Redhat, lives close by :)
[13:08] <diplo> Went from an hour lunch to 2 and bit learning lots of stuff
[13:09] <bigcalm> Nice
[13:58] <Azelphur> Hmm, I just spotted the Intel Compute Stick up for £79.99 on Amazon, For anyone that doesn't know, Windows 8 version: £79.99 32GB Storage 2GB RAM, Linux version: £79.99 8GB storage 2GB RAM. Are there any similar devices that don't penalise you for wanting to use Linux? XD
[13:58] <Azelphur> sorry, Linux version is 1GB RAM
[14:01] <popey> dabs had them on sale recently too - the windows one
[14:02] <popey> the windows one was more expensive, but they've dropped the price
[14:03] <directhex> this typically happens when a product launches with multiple OSes
[14:04] <directhex> the windows version ends up getting discounts, the linux one stays at original RRP
[14:04] <Azelphur> popey, yea but I don't wanna use it with Windows, and it sounds like it doesn't support Ubuntu too well if you wanna do it manually
[14:05] <Azelphur> directhex, and the Windows one is vastly higher spec
[14:05] <popey> yeah, this is not news
[14:05] <Azelphur> I wouldn't wanna run Kodi in 8GB, I've done it before and it runs out of space for the image caches :(
[14:37] <awilkins> It used to be the Linux one was better
[14:38] <awilkins> Netbooks had better stats for the Linux models because they didn't have to eat the cost of an OEM license for Windows
[14:39] <Azelphur> indeed, should be the way
[14:39] <directhex> windows is basically free for sufficiently low-spec devices
[14:39] <directhex> but
[14:39] <Azelphur> tbh I'd be ok even if it was equal specs and same price, but vastly less specs just make it unworkable for me as I say
[14:39] <directhex> the bundled crapware - antivirus trials etc - cost negative money. the oem gets paid to include them
[14:39] <Azelphur> so was curious if anyone knew of anything similar, 8GB just simply isn't enough to run Kodi in
[14:39] <directhex> so on bottom-spec devices, windows costs negative money compared to linux
[14:39] <awilkins> Bundleware also effectively reduces the spec of your device by consuming resources
[14:40] <popey> normals don't know that
[14:40] <awilkins> Can you buy the Windows one and nuke it, or is SecureBoot enabled and locked?
[14:40] <Azelphur> awilkins: you can, but I stopped reading after "Contact realtek and ask them for the wireless drivers"
[14:41] <popey> That's two separate things.
[14:41] <awilkins> (is that a problem? do we still have permission *tugs forelock* from MS to install Linux on things?)
[14:41] <popey> I don't believe secureboot is an issue for it
[14:41] <popey> the wireless drivers aren't in trunk, are they, that's why
[14:42] <awilkins> Urrgh, I hate that
[14:42] <awilkins> My days of using Gentoo and building bleeding edge kernels to support TV capture hardware are done
[14:44] <diddledan_> awilkins: you've never lived until you've compiled several kernels for Gentoo :-)
[14:44] <shauno> all my tv capture needs are handled by stock ethernet drivers now ;)
[14:44] <zmoylan-1i> but at least you felt you got value for spending a few extra bob on the cpu then :-)
[14:45] <diddledan_> Gentoo is fun :-p
[14:45] <davmor2> diddledan: LFS
[14:45] <popey> Pfft, Core Linux
[14:45] <diddledan_> davmor2: I tried that
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> 1
[14:45] <diddledan_> I didn't get as far as X11
[14:45] <diddledan_> sooo slow
[14:45] <shauno> I tried LFS too.  I was quite happy I had my distro down to ~40Mb.  but updates were cruel&unusual
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> but at 40mb you could email yourself the updates for install... :-)
[14:53] <davmor2> at 40Mb the email would probably be bigger
[14:53] <shauno> moving them wasn't the problem.  it was keeping track of upstream
[14:53] <popey> yeah, i was subscribing to freshmeat updates at one point
[14:53] <popey> updating packages left and right
[14:53] <popey> then i tried to build mozilla web browser and ran out of disk space
[14:53] <popey> on a poor little dell piii 500Mhz
[14:54] <shauno> yeah.  seamonkey was roughly as big as .. everything else combined.
[14:54] <shauno> I even tried building OOo once.  once.
[14:55] <popey> yeah, same
[14:55] <popey> that was daft :)
[14:55] <davmor2> popey: Bigron gave up on using Gentoo one summer when his cpu over heated
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> it just loaded and played laugh.mp3 when you tried? :-)
[14:55] <popey> dependencies
[14:56] <popey> I was using Core which had no package manager
[14:56] <davmor2> He was installing OOo
[14:56] <popey> everything was wget, ./configure, rinse repeat, eventually make, make install
[14:56] <shauno> building OOo during summer?!
[14:56] <shauno> that's a job you save for when you want the computer to contribute to your heating costs.
[14:57] <shauno> I think my biggest stand-out memory from LFS, was the whole bootstrap process for gcc.  I don't think I ever got my head around that
[14:58] <shauno> something like .. you built a bit of gcc, then used that to build the rest, then used that to build the whole lot again, and then used that to build glibc
[14:58] <dutchie> iirc there's a "check that the bootstrapped compiler gives the same output as the hosting one" step in there too
[14:59] <shauno> the "terminator 2" build process
[15:01] <shauno> it really did feel like the hhgtg approach to flying though.  that the whole process wouldn't actually work if you understood it.
[15:20] <awilkins> Yeah, you built your toolchain.. then build the basic libs with it
[15:20] <awilkins> Then built your toolchain again to make sure it was optimized
[15:20] <awilkins> Or summat
[15:20] <Azelphur> popey: http://home.azelphur.com/speedtest-results/output.html holy cow look at 2015-09-17
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> upgrade iphone iwatch day?
[15:24] <shauno> yesterday
[15:24] <shauno> ah, yeah.  I haven't looked at the numbers for a while.  didn't realise 17 was yesterday
[15:25] <shauno> hah, no, it was the 16th.  about 6pm.  I'll shut up now.
[15:54] <Azelphur> Also I just realised something, when my new monitors arrive it will be a momentous day, finally after all these years I will officially stop whining about terrible multiple X screen support, as I won't be using it
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> braille? :-)
[15:54] <Azelphur> nah, going to one GPU
[15:55] <popey> one very large gpu
[15:55] <Azelphur> 980, so yea
[17:47] <Azelphur> Question for someone knowledgable, I know ofcom did a lot of stuff regarding ISPs and download speeds, baring in mind my ISP has admitted to me that my speeds are poor due to overselling, and I am building up evidence which clearly shows really poor connectivity during peak times, is there something ofcom can do about it?
[17:48] <Azelphur> eg I'm on a 70mbit line and BTs speed tester says acceptable line speed is 40mbit, my connection was <40mbit (average more like 10mbit) for 4 hours, this kinda thing is common
[18:38] <daftykins> Azelphur: ask them :D
[18:56] <StevenR_> Azelphur: what are you actually paying for?
[19:35] <shauno> ooh, so that's A Thing now; https://www.microbit.co.uk/
[20:11] <popey> microbit is late, I bought a codebug which is similar
[21:01] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:05] <daftykins> hallo
[21:07] <popey> yo yo
[22:25] <Azelphur> StevenR_: up to 72mbit
[23:27] <StevenR_> Azelphur: what's the max that you can get to?
[23:28] <Azelphur> 72