[01:39] Is it fair to describe python as a package that is shipped with the operating system. It's not part of Linux, right? [01:39] correct, Python is not part of Linux [01:40] Thanks. I thought that was the case but wanted to check with Linux people before I clicked the [reply] button. [05:46] morning all [05:55] o/ [06:05] phew thought i was the only nutter up this early :D [06:07] i thought it was just me and my singing potatos... [06:08] lol [06:13] singing potatos? [06:14] red dwarf reference [06:15] bonus, irish government has announced spending €1m on encouraging irish people to eat more potatos so we may well soon have singing potatos :-) [07:45] bigcalm: can you edit the RAT info and add Where: The Mulberry 5:30pm there? [07:45] please [07:45] zmoylan-pi: POTATOES! [07:46] zmoylan-pi: although popey has a unique way of saying that word! === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:03] Peh-taatoohs [08:03] spuds [08:04] teapots [08:04] bang tidy! [08:04] TEA++ [08:04] mornington crescent! [08:05] hmm I have edit power [08:05] done :) [08:05] on the LTP [08:05] now you can smite your enemies >:-) [08:06] smite [08:07] Good morning peeps :) [08:07] a good smite goes a long way :-) [08:11] POH-TAY-TOES! [08:11] boil 'em mash 'em stick 'em in a stew [08:12] 😋 [08:12] Birdseye potato waffles, they're waffley versatile [08:12] for mash get smash [08:13] http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/crash-hot-potatoes/ nice new way to do them [08:13] 🍠 - there's a sweet potato emoji, but no regular potato [08:14] I should have some breakfast [08:14] Mines ordered and on it's way at 9:45 :D [08:14] somewhere out there there's a bowl of weetabix with my name on it... [08:14] I've got BACON!!!! coming [08:15] I've had my crunchy nut, but it has done nothing to cure my slither of a hangover [08:15] Spotify discover playlist + mpsYoutube :) = Free music [08:16] popey: new way for you to try out the tatties! [08:16] I had beans on toast today [08:16] nyomy [08:16] too warm for toast... but winter is coming... [08:16] now I want cheese and beans on toast [08:16] MooDoo: you can go off people you know [08:17] Morning all [08:17] stupid canteen wouldn't accomodate that though [08:17] czajkowski: I would edit the loco page for the RAT, but somebody else has already done it [08:17] bigcalm: moi :) [08:17] I have edit rights [08:17] which I didn't know till I logged in [08:18] davmor2: nah ;) [08:19] beans on toast with some bacon perhaps the next time, golden crispy bacon [08:19] Last fires will rise, behind those eyes, black house will rock, Blind boys don't liiiiiiiiiiieeeeeee ah G tom mac [08:20] czajkowski: righteo :) [08:21] that's why you get the micro microwave to cook the beans on the sly.... http://gizmodo.com/5283559/beanzawave-usb-powered-beans-microwave-is-what-usb-was-created-for [08:23] davmor2: lost boys sound track? [08:24] MooDoo: I already added people are strange and for some reason I woke up with this in my head this morning, I think it is telling me I need to watch the lost boys :) [08:25] go for it... [08:29] so that's why they created USB3 [09:01] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Respect Day! 😃 [09:05] morning boys and girls. [09:06] howdy both [09:07] morning MooDoo === DanChapman_ is now known as DanChapman === JamesTait is now known as JamesTait_ === JamesTait_ is now known as JamesTait === diddledan_ is now known as diddledan [12:07] bigcalm: do you use telegram? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:12] popey: I don't. What is it? Should I use it? [12:12] yes [12:12] Very yes [12:12] http://desktop.telegram.org/ and also app on phone [12:12] job done [12:14] Free forever and no ads - what's the catch? [12:20] you'll keep getting messages from me [12:21] Sounds dodgy [12:38] I'm somewhat tempted by Telegram, but it's so handy to have my chat history in gmail archive where I can easily search it [12:39] I don't really see the value proposition of Telegram. Poorly implemented crypto with a very limited userbase [12:46] https://instagram.com/p/6imd5goE6W/ vs https://youtu.be/5c6zb2ITAbM [12:48] network effect, same as any chat system [12:50] Myrtti: one of the linked videos from that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AtP7au_Q9w [12:50] so cute [13:02] I appear to have automatic contacts, odd === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:07] What a small world, sat in a local food place eating lunch and a guy over heard our *nixy type conversation [13:08] Turns out he's Richard Morrel from Redhat, lives close by :) [13:08] Went from an hour lunch to 2 and bit learning lots of stuff [13:09] Nice [13:58] Hmm, I just spotted the Intel Compute Stick up for £79.99 on Amazon, For anyone that doesn't know, Windows 8 version: £79.99 32GB Storage 2GB RAM, Linux version: £79.99 8GB storage 2GB RAM. Are there any similar devices that don't penalise you for wanting to use Linux? XD [13:58] sorry, Linux version is 1GB RAM [14:01] dabs had them on sale recently too - the windows one [14:02] the windows one was more expensive, but they've dropped the price [14:03] this typically happens when a product launches with multiple OSes [14:04] the windows version ends up getting discounts, the linux one stays at original RRP [14:04] popey, yea but I don't wanna use it with Windows, and it sounds like it doesn't support Ubuntu too well if you wanna do it manually [14:05] directhex, and the Windows one is vastly higher spec [14:05] yeah, this is not news [14:05] I wouldn't wanna run Kodi in 8GB, I've done it before and it runs out of space for the image caches :( [14:37] It used to be the Linux one was better [14:38] Netbooks had better stats for the Linux models because they didn't have to eat the cost of an OEM license for Windows [14:39] indeed, should be the way [14:39] windows is basically free for sufficiently low-spec devices [14:39] but [14:39] tbh I'd be ok even if it was equal specs and same price, but vastly less specs just make it unworkable for me as I say [14:39] the bundled crapware - antivirus trials etc - cost negative money. the oem gets paid to include them [14:39] so was curious if anyone knew of anything similar, 8GB just simply isn't enough to run Kodi in [14:39] so on bottom-spec devices, windows costs negative money compared to linux [14:39] Bundleware also effectively reduces the spec of your device by consuming resources [14:40] normals don't know that [14:40] Can you buy the Windows one and nuke it, or is SecureBoot enabled and locked? [14:40] awilkins: you can, but I stopped reading after "Contact realtek and ask them for the wireless drivers" [14:41] That's two separate things. [14:41] (is that a problem? do we still have permission *tugs forelock* from MS to install Linux on things?) [14:41] I don't believe secureboot is an issue for it [14:41] the wireless drivers aren't in trunk, are they, that's why [14:42] Urrgh, I hate that [14:42] My days of using Gentoo and building bleeding edge kernels to support TV capture hardware are done [14:44] awilkins: you've never lived until you've compiled several kernels for Gentoo :-) [14:44] all my tv capture needs are handled by stock ethernet drivers now ;) [14:44] but at least you felt you got value for spending a few extra bob on the cpu then :-) [14:45] Gentoo is fun :-p [14:45] diddledan: LFS [14:45] Pfft, Core Linux === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [14:45] davmor2: I tried that [14:45] 1 [14:45] I didn't get as far as X11 [14:45] sooo slow [14:45] I tried LFS too. I was quite happy I had my distro down to ~40Mb. but updates were cruel&unusual [14:51] but at 40mb you could email yourself the updates for install... :-) [14:53] at 40Mb the email would probably be bigger [14:53] moving them wasn't the problem. it was keeping track of upstream [14:53] yeah, i was subscribing to freshmeat updates at one point [14:53] updating packages left and right [14:53] then i tried to build mozilla web browser and ran out of disk space [14:53] on a poor little dell piii 500Mhz [14:54] yeah. seamonkey was roughly as big as .. everything else combined. [14:54] I even tried building OOo once. once. [14:55] yeah, same [14:55] that was daft :) [14:55] popey: Bigron gave up on using Gentoo one summer when his cpu over heated [14:55] it just loaded and played laugh.mp3 when you tried? :-) [14:55] dependencies [14:56] I was using Core which had no package manager [14:56] He was installing OOo [14:56] everything was wget, ./configure, rinse repeat, eventually make, make install [14:56] building OOo during summer?! [14:56] that's a job you save for when you want the computer to contribute to your heating costs. [14:57] I think my biggest stand-out memory from LFS, was the whole bootstrap process for gcc. I don't think I ever got my head around that [14:58] something like .. you built a bit of gcc, then used that to build the rest, then used that to build the whole lot again, and then used that to build glibc [14:58] iirc there's a "check that the bootstrapped compiler gives the same output as the hosting one" step in there too [14:59] the "terminator 2" build process [15:01] it really did feel like the hhgtg approach to flying though. that the whole process wouldn't actually work if you understood it. [15:20] Yeah, you built your toolchain.. then build the basic libs with it [15:20] Then built your toolchain again to make sure it was optimized [15:20] Or summat [15:20] popey: http://home.azelphur.com/speedtest-results/output.html holy cow look at 2015-09-17 [15:21] upgrade iphone iwatch day? [15:24] yesterday [15:24] ah, yeah. I haven't looked at the numbers for a while. didn't realise 17 was yesterday [15:25] hah, no, it was the 16th. about 6pm. I'll shut up now. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:54] Also I just realised something, when my new monitors arrive it will be a momentous day, finally after all these years I will officially stop whining about terrible multiple X screen support, as I won't be using it [15:54] braille? :-) [15:54] nah, going to one GPU [15:55] one very large gpu [15:55] 980, so yea === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [17:47] Question for someone knowledgable, I know ofcom did a lot of stuff regarding ISPs and download speeds, baring in mind my ISP has admitted to me that my speeds are poor due to overselling, and I am building up evidence which clearly shows really poor connectivity during peak times, is there something ofcom can do about it? [17:48] eg I'm on a 70mbit line and BTs speed tester says acceptable line speed is 40mbit, my connection was <40mbit (average more like 10mbit) for 4 hours, this kinda thing is common [18:38] Azelphur: ask them :D [18:56] Azelphur: what are you actually paying for? [19:35] ooh, so that's A Thing now; https://www.microbit.co.uk/ [20:11] microbit is late, I bought a codebug which is similar === Matrixiumn is now known as Xack [21:01] evening all [21:05] hallo [21:07] yo yo === Xack is now known as floppseng === floppseng is now known as Xack === Xack is now known as floopseng === floopseng is now known as Xack [22:25] StevenR_: up to 72mbit [23:27] Azelphur: what's the max that you can get to? [23:28] 72