[02:14] <bluesabre> so much for me getting anything done this week
[02:14] <bluesabre> :D
[02:14] <bluesabre> I'll get some releases and uploads out this weekend
[02:14] <bluesabre> night all
[07:55] <flocculant> something seems awry - create a new document - previously would open in mousepad - now wants to know what to open it with 
[08:07] <flocculant> would that be an xdg-utils problem? 
[08:08] <flocculant> the old testcases would have had us reporting against thunar 
[09:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1497170 and bug 1497175 all shiny and new
[09:04] <flocculant> not reported either on bugzilla just yet - make sure they're both thunar bugs before I do that 
[09:04] <flocculant> did both (and checked) in clean install to make sure it wasn't just local
[09:05] <flocculant> obviously will report to bugzilla if we need that and link them
[10:34] <flocculant> when is wily getting the wily help files? 
[10:34] <flocculant> before they freeze images next week? 
[10:34] <knome> hmm?
[10:35] <flocculant> oh - so I guess you thought it had them already :)
[10:35] <knome> what are you referring to with help files?
[10:35] <flocculant> the help in the menu
[10:35] <bluesabre> flocculant: could be xdg-utils or exo
[10:35] <bluesabre> try using xdg-open and exo-open and see what happens with each
[10:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: which is why I didn't bugzilla thunar pointlessly yet :)
[10:36] <knome> flocculant, you are referring to the last change you did?
[10:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: same for both - gives the 'what do you want to open this with?' dialogue
[10:37] <bluesabre> hmmm
[10:37] <flocculant> knome: nope - not that at all, when you open help in wily you still get 15.04 docs
[10:37] <knome> o.O
[10:37] <bluesabre> I think that's xdg then
[10:37] <bluesabre> one moment
[10:38]  * knome llooks
[10:39] <flocculant> xubuntu-docs	15.04.2 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150918/wily-desktop-amd64.manifest
[10:39] <knome> bluesabre, insight on flocculant's question?
[10:39] <knome> oh right
[10:39] <bluesabre> knome: I keep asking if you need an upload
[10:39] <bluesabre> :D
[10:39] <knome> so we haven't just done an upload for this cycle yet
[10:39] <flocculant> :D
[10:39] <knome> well, i don't think it's a big issue, but sure, you can do one now if it isn't too much work
[10:39] <Unit193> Might have been a good idea before string freeze. ;D
[10:40] <knome> might have been - though i thought we had the string changes covered already
[10:41] <slickymasterWork> me too knome 
[10:41] <knome> bluesabre, let's do an upload now then
[10:41] <knome> bluesabre, do you want me to handle the freeze exception paperwork?
[10:41] <slickymasterWork> and morning all
[10:41] <knome> hello slickymasterWork 
[10:42] <bluesabre> knome: please do since I'll be out most of the day, but can upload when I get home
[10:42] <knome> oki
[10:42] <knome> thanks
[10:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: if you choose a default, does it remember it?
[10:42] <Unit193> I suppose the  warning: failed to load external entity "C/translator-credits.xml"  is fine?
[10:43] <bluesabre> knome: Unit193 can also upload if you want it earlier in the day
[10:43] <Unit193> >_>
[10:43] <bluesabre> put that xubuntu-uploaders membership to use :D
[10:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: yes it does - though the icon on desktop still seems the be the 'wth is this!' one :)
[10:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: yikes
[10:44] <knome> yess
[10:44] <knome> Unit193, yeah, it's just a warning - it's expected and ok
[10:44] <Unit193> Figured, since C.  Though kind of disagree. :D
[10:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: http://i.imgur.com/aovACvT.png
[10:45] <bluesabre> flocculant: xdg-mime query filetype <filename>
[10:45] <flocculant> properties - kind unknown
[10:46] <flocculant> application/octet-stream
[10:46] <bluesabre> hmm
[10:46] <bluesabre> if you have a pre-wily vm somewhere, can you try the same?
[10:46] <flocculant> almost feel useful today \o/ apart from making work for people lol 
[10:46] <knome> lol
[10:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: ooh - might actually be able to do a 'while ago' vm 
[10:47] <bluesabre> pretty sure its xdg-utils at fault, just trying to figure out which fix broke it
[10:47] <flocculant> have one with ppa's I don't use much 
[10:47] <knome> lunch, bbl
[10:48] <bluesabre> flocculant: if its over a week old, it would probably have the older xdg
[10:48] <flocculant> ok - so in there it works 
[10:49] <flocculant> 1.1.0~rc1-2ubuntu11
[10:49] <bluesabre> does the xdg-mime command return something different?
[10:49] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/grsj2OKxSRjQkyMRlINo/ nice...
[10:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep text/plain
[10:50] <bluesabre> there we go
[10:50] <flocculant> so change that bug to xdg-utils ?
[10:50] <bluesabre> yup
[10:50] <bluesabre> and add a note about that
[10:51] <flocculant> ok 
[10:51] <Unit193> !info xdg-utils unstable
[10:51] <Unit193> !info xdg-utils wily
[10:51] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant!
[10:51] <flocculant> welcome
[10:51] <flocculant> though that was just one of them :(
[10:52] <flocculant> the thunar one is the same in the oldish vm 
[10:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok 0 changed that one and commented 
[10:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: so - boot ubuntu vm - try and restore from trash - same problem :)
[10:56] <flocculant> so that's not thunar either \o/ 
[10:56] <bluesabre> nice
[10:56] <bluesabre> so thats likely gvfs
[10:56] <Unit193> gvfs! \o/
[11:00] <bluesabre> knome: want to ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1497228 before I nudge -release
[11:02] <flocculant> mmm so installing restore-trash and using that from cli works ok 
[11:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: shall I just move that bug from thunar to gvfs and let someone work out where it should be? 
[11:02] <flocculant> someone else ... 
[11:03] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, that will get some eyes on it
[11:03] <flocculant> yep - I'll whack it on the tracker too - for ubuntu and us :)
[11:03] <bluesabre> :D
[11:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll see about adding a patched xdg-utils to -staging this weekend to see if that takes care of things
[11:04] <flocculant> ok 
[11:10] <flocculant> nice - so both not us :)
[11:10] <flocculant> unfortunately I can't make me read 15.10 for the help files :D
[11:18] <knome> bluesabre, i wonder what kind of ack you want
[11:18] <bluesabre> knome: you're in docs, right?
[11:18] <knome> bluesabre, also, if you didn't look at -release, you got the ack to upload docs now
[11:18] <knome> oh right
[11:19] <knome> done :P
[11:19] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:19] <bluesabre> now to remember how to upload docs
[11:19] <knome> haha :P
[11:19] <bluesabre> :p
[11:20] <bluesabre> 3-4 times a year :D
[11:21]  * Unit193 wonders what's hard about uploading docs.
[11:21] <bluesabre> nothing
[11:21]  * knome shrugs
[11:21] <bluesabre> being silly
[11:21] <knome> ;)
[11:22] <Unit193> They even remembered to keep the changelog short or wrap it. :D
[11:22] <Unit193> (Or I already fixed, either way.  I may have poked..)
[11:23] <knome> slickymasterWork, ping?
[11:24] <bluesabre> :D
[11:24] <bluesabre> running a test build, then will upload
[11:24] <slickymasterWork> pong knome 
[11:26] <knome> slickymasterWork, want to draft a mail for the ubuntu-translators list with me?
[11:26] <knome> about the xubuntu docs
[11:26] <slickymasterWork> sure, but I was about to go lunch
[11:26] <slickymasterWork> can we do it after?
[11:26] <knome> ok, let's do it after that
[11:27] <knome> yep
[11:27] <slickymasterWork> great, I'll ping you when I arrive
[11:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: bzr tag 15.10.0 ? :D
[11:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll let knome do that, I'm not in the documentation team
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> I see you already ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1497228 knome, so there's no need for me to put my hat on
[11:28] <knome> slickymasterWork, yep
[11:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: I am, but wrong docs team.  I still get some of the crappy Ubuntu bug mail, but no push rights. :D
[11:28] <bluesabre> :D
[11:28] <bluesabre> that might be my situation as well
[11:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: sorry - I forgot to add that mime stuff to there ... 
[11:30] <Unit193> Also, new Core uploads.
[11:31] <bluesabre> flocculant: np
[11:31] <bluesabre> knome: docs uploaded
[11:32] <knome> bluesabre, cheers :)
[11:32] <flocculant> Unit193: are we actually likely to see core on cdimage this cycle ? 
[11:32] <flocculant> if not I'll move that to postponed ;)
[11:32] <Unit193> flocculant: At the rate of the MP review?  Sure!  If you mean the XXX cycle...
[11:32] <bluesabre> :D
[11:32] <flocculant> :D
[11:36]  * bluesabre gets ready for work
[11:36] <bluesabre> bbl, hf all
[11:37] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/15.10.0
[11:37] <flocculant> cya bluesabre 
[11:50] <knome> slickymasterWork, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-documentation-translations
[12:51] <jjfrv8> flocculant, good catches on those two bugs! I confirmed them both.
[12:52] <jjfrv8> Interesting thing was that I had a couple of files in Trash from a few days ago and they restored, but newly deleted ones don't.
[14:32] <slickymasterWork> and I'm in knome 
[14:32]  * slickymasterWork haves a read of what's already drafted in the pad
[14:33] <Unit193> Commas, commas.
[14:40] <slickymasterWork> lol knome 'noboby'
[14:40] <slickymasterWork> ok corrected that typo and add a paragraph to it
[15:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: see jjfrv8's comment ^^
[15:33] <flocculant> might help narrow that down
[19:45] <ochosi> evening
[20:07] <knome> hullo
[21:38] <ochosi> anything important i missed lately?
[21:41] <knome> don't think so
[21:43] <Unit193> ochosi: knome tried to take over again.
[21:43] <knome> of course.
[21:53] <ochosi> Unit193: good good, that's the *plan* ;)
[21:54] <Unit193> Hrm, what're the terms on leadership positions again?
[21:56] <knome> what terms?
[21:56] <knome> if you are referring to the debian liaison position, the terms are that you are a slave for the project and website leads.
[21:56] <knome> you mean term length?
[21:58] <Unit193> XPL one is pretty clear, didn't remember the lengths for the others.
[21:58] <Unit193> Also, not website, XTL.
[21:58] <knome> the others are basically "as long as you are interested in doing it"
[21:59] <knome> or practically, until there is several people who want to be it
[21:59] <knome> but there is no set procedure for that
[21:59] <Unit193> Eg, never. :P
[21:59] <knome> i would imagine in that case we'd just put up a poll.
[22:00] <knome> who knows, but so far it hasn't been a very realistic scenario
[22:00] <knome> also, if somebody is doing something well, there's little need to replace them
[22:00] <knome> if they aren't doing it well, or are willing to part with it, it's easy to bump
[22:00] <knome> like me becoming the website lead and taking that hat from pleia2
[22:00] <ochosi> yup, that'd have been my policy too
[22:01] <ochosi> do-o-cracy
[22:01] <knome> this isn't really something where newbies get involved
[22:01] <ochosi> anyhow, off for tonight. night all!
[22:02] <slickymaster> have a good one ochosi 
[22:02] <knome> nighty simon
[22:04] <slickymaster> btw knome, did you saw my ping regarding the pad?
[22:10] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/ → Broken link, common infra.
[22:11] <knome> slickymaster, i don't see an added paragraph?
[22:11] <knome> or do we simply have the same color?
[22:11] <knome> right
[22:11] <knome> sneaky!
[22:12] <slickymaster> not my fault
[22:12] <knome> hah
[22:12] <knome> you can change the color, you know?
[22:13] <slickymaster> yeah. but I didn't think it was so important
[22:13] <knome> heh, not really
[22:13] <knome> but it's hard to follow your changes if you have the same color
[22:13] <knome> so i'd say it's best to make sure you don't
[22:14] <knome> for example, if you weren't around now and i opened the pad with a different computer, i would have no way to notice the difference between my own and your edits
[22:14] <slickymaster> it's the seconf to last paragraph
[22:14] <slickymaster> * second
[22:15] <knome> i know
[22:15] <knome> i changed my own color
[22:15] <knome> because i am on the same computer, i can do that
[22:15] <knome> but yeah, it looks good to me
[22:16] <slickymaster> ok, I'll send it then
[22:16] <knome> ok
[22:16] <knome> please remember to change the XXX's this time
[22:16] <knome> okay?
[22:17] <slickymaster> damn, you have a memory like an elefant (and my ex) :P
[22:17] <knome> are you saying your ex is (like) an elefant?
[22:17] <knome> oh boy
[22:17] <knome> no wonder she's your ex
[22:17]  * knome hides
[22:17] <slickymaster> no, quite the opposite
[22:19] <Unit193> ...You're an elefant?
[22:20] <slickymaster> I've been called worst
[22:20] <knome> slickymaster, blue whale?
[22:21] <slickymaster> will that make you my Ahab?
[22:21] <knome> who knows
[22:22] <slickymaster> :P
[22:27] <slickymaster> knome, it doesn't make much sense saying "We also recommend everyone to join the Ubuntu-translators mailing list [2] to keep up with notifications about important translation template updates and to stay in touch with other Ubuntu translators.
[22:28] <knome> okay
[22:28] <slickymaster> when we're email said list
[22:28] <knome> true
[22:28] <knome> it was you who added that though.
[22:29] <slickymaster> yeah, but then I noticed that it's meant for their m/l
[22:29] <knome> ;)=
[22:29] <slickymaster> at the time I was convinced that we were drafting something for our media channels
[22:30]  * knome facepalms
[22:30] <knome> well,
[22:30] <knome> we can craft something for them as well
[22:31] <slickymaster> we've already have been doing that since the beginning of cycle
[22:31] <slickymaster> the translators calls in -devel m/l
[22:32] <knome> i know