[07:22] Good morning. [10:43] ahoneybun ahoneybun_ : ping [11:53] Hiyas all [11:53] hi BluesKaj [11:54] hi clivejo [11:57] doing good? [12:00] yeah, fine here, clivejo, and you? [12:00] tired [12:03] and pbuilder is being awkward today [13:25] clivejo, have you heard anything about wayland for 16.04, or has anyone else ? [15:07] BluesKaj: depends on kde really. At debconf I managed to run kate in kwin_wayland nested in an xwayland session. Worked mostly except the dialogs being rendered in wrong positions. [15:08] We're getting there, slowly.. [15:09] yofel, ok , nice to hear it's being experimented with [15:18] yofel: but popups/dialogs have been fixed in last days by Martin i think [15:18] he posted about this on g+ i think [15:18] \o/ [15:39] BluesKaj, yofel: worth checking http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Wayland-Rapid-Progress [15:42] lol @ results http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-OpenGL-Image-Settings [15:52] soee, thanks , good to know that nouveau is being upgraded some and I always suspect that the nvidia "performance slider" didn't do much :-) [15:53] suspected even [15:53] :D [15:53] well I'm too late for clivejo lol [15:55] I imagine full wayland development will be in force for 16.10 since 16.04 is LTS [18:43] BluesKaj: With Plasma 5.4 the first technology preview of a Wayland session is released. On systems with free graphics drivers it is possible to run Plasma using KWin, Plasma's Wayland compositor and X11 window manager, through kernel mode settings. - https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.4.0.php [18:44] still a bit to go, but its being worked on :) [19:05] clivejo, yeah, looks promising, thanks :-) [19:12] soee: ping [19:14] anyone else testing frameworks? [19:20] clivejo: i think they were tested already [19:21] you mentioned that it crashed? [19:21] for me they work fine (just kdeinit5 and krunner crash during upgrade) [19:21] but they restated themself [19:21] seems to be problems with kservice [19:21] and I see there is an update [19:21] after upgrade to 5.14 application dashoard lost favs list [19:22] that is all i noticed [19:22] you upgraded to 15.08.1 apps? [19:22] oh misread [19:23] there is a kservice 15.14.3 now [19:24] I wonder should I package that and put it into the staging ppa? [19:33] it is part of apps ? [19:33] i is not [19:33] 15.14.3 ot 5.14. ? [19:39] framework [19:39] http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/5.14/ [19:40] ask yofel or Riddell ^ [19:40] they are some updated version of 5.14 line it seems [19:41] so i think it should be packaged [19:41] but i'm not packager :) [19:41] * clivejo thinks soee should learn :P [19:42] ot her is a lot of think i want to learn :) [19:42] lol, "there is a lot of things i want to learn" [19:59] soee: like what? [20:59] hi sick_rimmit [23:34] currently Wiley beta still says "thank you for choosing Kubuntu 15.04" when installing, has this already been changed? [23:35] good catch [23:35] ahoneybun: ^^^ [23:36] how are you, Mamarok? [23:37] valorie: not that bad, thanks. How about you? [23:37] pretty good [23:37] diving into that sticky kde-community ML stuff [23:37] after avoiding it for a couple of days [23:37] I should be sleeping, instead I isntall Wiley in VBox to test [23:38] oh, the bikeshed :) [23:38] epic, probably the worst in ages [23:38] right, I've been neglectful [23:38] although I'm not a listowner there [23:39] open a can of worms... [23:39] but bikeshed threads should be moderated, IMO [23:39] nah, pointless, they are probably entertaining themselves [23:39] Martin is deeply regretting to have come up with the suggestion in the first place to make that mirror [23:42] btw, which VM solution do you guys use, VBox or VMware? [23:42] I can't get any 3D acceleration in either [23:43] I think mirroring to github is an excellent idea [23:43] yes. as long as it is really just that, a mirror [23:43] visibility = good [23:43] but that opens a whole other can of worms [23:43] right, which is what he proposed [23:43] and what was implemented [23:44] and plans are to mirror other places as well [23:44] if requested [23:44] yes, but now all sort of ideas come in with wether they should allow pull requests, which is just the abse of the problem [23:44] right [23:45] to me, separate issue [23:45] and that is totally unhealthy and dividng [23:45] not at all, it was clear from teh start it should only be a mirror, those wanting to allow pull requersts are overstretching it [23:46] well, I started at the beginning, and very early the suggestion was to allow this if the devels were willing to oversee it and do the commits/review process [23:46] as I said, open a can of worms [23:47] obviously! [23:47] the initial thread was clear that it should only be a mirror on which all invloved agreed, allowing pull requests divides and forces some to use a non-free tool [23:47] I think I have a few hundred emails to read [23:48] but you can see where the opportunists are ... [23:48] and my mail didn't help as those who read it didn't understand [23:49] I don't want to write without reading all of it [23:49] so I may not comment until tomorrow [23:49] * Mamarok tried to point to how easy it is to use our infratructure, no need to use something else [23:49] tonight, I'm visiting my dad, then watching the new Doctor Who ep [23:49] valorie: I think we should all stop commenting, I give up on that, as the opportunists want their thing and will try to get it over everybody else's head [23:50] right, I'm not sure those early comments about how to make our infra more discoverable and easier to use have been implemented [23:50] hoily cow, VBox, what in the "use external HD" didn't you understand? [23:50] it's installing in my home :( [23:51] I am not a dev and I can use all our tools quite easily, so if I can, everybody can, and it is discoverable without the slightest doubt for those able to use Google [23:51] but that's where the problem is, most are just too lazy to learn how to search [23:51] let alone get an indetity account and read docs [23:51] well, we were disabling spiders [23:51] not sure if we still are [23:52] newbies may think that everything is at github [23:52] that has nbothing to do with disabling search engines, it is easy to find from our main website === tazz_ is now known as tazz [23:52] well, newbies who thing everything is on Github are just that: newbies, they have still a lot to learn [23:53] and seriously, peoplke who think everything is on Github ar idiots [23:54] Github is a tiny fraction (mirrors not included) of what Free Software thewre is out there [23:55] and esepcially since the sourceforge debacle everybody should know why proprietary hosters should be avoided