[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:43] <clivejo> ahoneybun ahoneybun_ : ping
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:53] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:54] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[11:57] <clivejo> doing good?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, fine here, clivejo, and you?
[12:00] <clivejo> tired
[12:03] <clivejo> and pbuilder is being awkward today 
[13:25] <BluesKaj> clivejo, have you heard anything about wayland for 16.04, or has anyone else ?
[15:07] <yofel> BluesKaj: depends on kde really. At debconf I managed to run kate in kwin_wayland nested in an xwayland session. Worked mostly except the dialogs being rendered in wrong positions.
[15:08] <yofel> We're getting there, slowly..
[15:09] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok , nice to hear it's being experimented with
[15:18] <soee> yofel: but popups/dialogs have been fixed in last days by Martin i think
[15:18] <soee> he posted about this on g+ i think
[15:18] <yofel> \o/
[15:39] <soee> BluesKaj, yofel: worth checking http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Wayland-Rapid-Progress
[15:42] <soee> lol @ results http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-OpenGL-Image-Settings
[15:52] <BluesKaj> soee, thanks , good to know that nouveau is being upgraded some and I  always suspect that the nvidia "performance slider" didn't do much :-)
[15:53] <BluesKaj> suspected even
[15:53] <soee> :D
[15:53] <ahoneybun> well I'm too late for clivejo lol
[15:55] <BluesKaj> I imagine full wayland development will be in force for 16.10 since 16.04 is LTS
[18:43] <clivejo> BluesKaj: With Plasma 5.4 the first technology preview of a Wayland session is released. On systems with free graphics drivers it is possible to run Plasma using KWin, Plasma's Wayland compositor and X11 window manager, through kernel mode settings. -  https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.4.0.php 
[18:44] <clivejo> still a bit to go, but its being worked on :)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> clivejo, yeah, looks promising, thanks :-)
[19:12] <clivejo> soee: ping
[19:14] <clivejo> anyone else testing frameworks?
[19:20] <soee> clivejo: i think they were tested already
[19:21] <clivejo> you mentioned that it crashed?
[19:21] <soee> for me they work fine (just kdeinit5 and krunner crash during upgrade)
[19:21] <soee> but they restated themself 
[19:21] <clivejo> seems to be problems with kservice
[19:21] <clivejo> and I see there is an update
[19:21] <soee> after upgrade to 5.14 application dashoard lost favs list
[19:22] <soee> that is all i noticed
[19:22] <clivejo> you upgraded to 15.08.1 apps?
[19:22] <clivejo> oh misread
[19:23] <clivejo> there is a kservice 15.14.3 now
[19:24] <clivejo> I wonder should I package that and put it into the staging ppa?
[19:33] <soee> it is part of apps ?
[19:33] <soee> i is not
[19:33] <soee> 15.14.3  ot 5.14. ?
[19:39] <clivejo> framework
[19:39] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/5.14/
[19:40] <soee> ask yofel or Riddell ^
[19:40] <soee> they are some updated version of 5.14 line it seems
[19:41] <soee> so i think it should be packaged
[19:41] <soee> but i'm not packager :)
[19:41]  * clivejo thinks soee should learn :P
[19:42] <soee> ot her is a lot of think i want to learn :)
[19:42] <soee> lol, "there is a lot of things i want to learn" 
[19:59] <clivejo> soee: like what?
[20:59] <clivejo> hi sick_rimmit
[23:34] <Mamarok> currently Wiley beta still says "thank you for choosing Kubuntu 15.04" when installing, has this already been changed?
[23:35] <valorie> good catch
[23:35] <valorie> ahoneybun: ^^^
[23:36] <valorie> how are you, Mamarok?
[23:37] <Mamarok> valorie: not that bad, thanks. How about you?
[23:37] <valorie> pretty good
[23:37] <valorie> diving into that sticky kde-community ML stuff
[23:37] <valorie> after avoiding it for a couple of days
[23:37] <Mamarok> I should be sleeping, instead I isntall Wiley in VBox to test
[23:38] <Mamarok> oh, the bikeshed :)
[23:38] <Mamarok> epic, probably the worst in ages
[23:38] <valorie> right, I've been neglectful
[23:38] <valorie> although I'm not a listowner there
[23:39] <Mamarok> open a can of worms...
[23:39] <valorie> but bikeshed threads should be moderated, IMO
[23:39] <Mamarok> nah, pointless, they are probably entertaining themselves
[23:39] <Mamarok> Martin is deeply regretting to have come up with the suggestion in the first place to make that mirror
[23:42] <Mamarok> btw, which VM solution do you guys use, VBox or VMware?
[23:42] <Mamarok> I can't get any 3D acceleration in either
[23:43] <valorie> I think mirroring to github is an excellent idea
[23:43] <Mamarok> yes. as long as it is really just that, a mirror
[23:43] <valorie> visibility = good
[23:43] <Mamarok> but that opens a whole other can of worms
[23:43] <valorie> right, which is what he proposed
[23:43] <valorie> and what was implemented
[23:44] <valorie> and plans are to mirror other places as well
[23:44] <valorie> if requested
[23:44] <Mamarok> yes, but now all sort of ideas come in with wether they should allow pull requests, which is just the abse of the problem
[23:44] <valorie> right
[23:45] <valorie> to me, separate issue
[23:45] <Mamarok> and that is totally unhealthy and dividng
[23:45] <Mamarok> not at all, it was clear from teh start it should only be a mirror, those wanting to allow pull requersts are overstretching it
[23:46] <valorie> well, I started at the beginning, and very early the suggestion was to allow this if the devels were willing to oversee it and do the commits/review process
[23:46] <Mamarok> as I said, open a can of worms
[23:47] <valorie> obviously!
[23:47] <Mamarok> the initial thread was clear that it should only be a mirror on which all invloved agreed, allowing pull requests divides and forces some to use a non-free tool
[23:47] <valorie> I think I have a few hundred emails to read
[23:48] <Mamarok> but you can see where the opportunists are ...
[23:48] <Mamarok> and my mail didn't help as those who read it didn't understand
[23:49] <valorie> I don't want to write without reading all of it
[23:49] <valorie> so I may not comment until tomorrow
[23:49]  * Mamarok tried to point to how easy it is to use our infratructure, no need to use something else
[23:49] <valorie> tonight, I'm visiting my dad, then watching the new Doctor Who ep
[23:49] <Mamarok> valorie: I think we should all stop commenting, I give up on that, as the opportunists want their thing and will try to get it over everybody else's head
[23:50] <valorie> right, I'm not sure those early comments about how to make our infra more discoverable and easier to use have been implemented
[23:50] <Mamarok> hoily cow, VBox, what in the "use external HD" didn't you understand?
[23:50] <Mamarok> it's installing in my home :(
[23:51] <Mamarok> I am not a dev and I can use all our tools quite easily, so if I can, everybody can, and it is discoverable without the slightest doubt for those able to use Google
[23:51] <Mamarok> but that's where the problem is, most are just too lazy to learn how to search
[23:51] <Mamarok> let alone get an indetity account and read docs
[23:51] <valorie> well, we were disabling spiders
[23:51] <valorie> not sure if we still are
[23:52] <valorie> newbies may think that everything is at github
[23:52] <Mamarok> that has nbothing to do with disabling search engines, it is easy to find from our main website
[23:52] <Mamarok> well, newbies who thing everything is on Github are just that: newbies, they have still a lot to learn
[23:53] <Mamarok> and seriously, peoplke who think everything is on Github ar idiots
[23:54] <Mamarok> Github is a tiny fraction (mirrors not included) of what Free Software thewre is out there
[23:55] <Mamarok> and esepcially since the sourceforge debacle everybody should know why proprietary hosters should be avoided