[00:02] <valorie> we need to draw in new people, and educate them
[00:02] <valorie> but for now, dinner
[05:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: Mamarok I believe it was changed in the dailies
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:43] <clivejo> yofel: you about?
[16:18] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ?
[21:02] <knome> hello kubuntu uploaders!
[21:02] <knome> (and developers)
[21:03] <knome> because of some changes lately, shimmer-themes has been snatched to the kubuntu packageset from xubuntu - the package-internal reason is the orion theme
[21:04] <knome> now, the orion theme is actually not maintained anymore, so for the xubuntu/shimmer team, it's ok that we simply remove that theme from the package and regain control of shimmer-themes
[21:04] <knome> now the question is, since kubuntu-desktop depends on that package indirectly, we were wondering if that was intentional and that you actually have a use for that theme?
[21:06]  * knome pokes Riddell,ScottK, sitter 
[21:07] <ScottK> knome: I'm not doing Kubuntu development anymore.
[21:07] <knome> ScottK, right-o, just saw you are still have the upload rights
[21:07] <knome> (because obviously, we need somebody with those to change the package)
[21:07] <ScottK> True.
[21:08] <knome> ScottK, sorry for the distraction! :)
[21:08] <ScottK> The packageset is controlled via seeds.
[21:08] <knome> i know
[21:09] <knome> we're pretty sure this is an unintentional side-effect, because there's little use for gtk themes with kde
[21:09] <knome> so here's a bug we've filed to actually fix the situation in another way: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/breeze/+bug/1497784
[21:10] <yofel> except that we need *some* theme for gtk apps, and since gtk broke the theming engine there is no kde-native one anymore
[21:10] <yofel> not sure if we use orion for that...
[21:10] <knome> yofel, the orion theme is unmaintained though, so it won't work very well with latest gtk3 versions
[21:10] <knome> yofel, we're happy to just drop it from shimmer-themes too if you want to keep both of the orion theme pieces ;)
[21:11] <knome> that's why we wanted to check with you first...
[21:15] <yofel> yep
[21:15] <yofel> breeze-5.4.0/misc/gtkbreeze/main.cpp:    const QString gtk3Theme = QStringLiteral("Orion"); // Orion looks kindae like breeze
[21:16] <yofel> knome: thanks for the info in any case, we'll look at it tomorrow when Riddell and sitter are here
[21:16] <knome> sure
[21:16] <knome> so i guess the two options are that 1) you get the package and totally get to keep it or 2) we resolve the dependency issue in a way or another so that shimmer-themes gets back to xubuntu
[21:17] <yofel> shouldn't adding it to the xubuntu seed put it into both seeds?
[21:18] <knome> bluesabre, isn't shimmer-themes in the xubuntu seed?
[21:18] <knome> yofel, ^ and i think no, because the way the packagesets are built
[21:19] <yofel> meh
[21:19] <knome> (kubuntu comes before xubuntu, so it snatches shimmer-themes)
[21:19] <bluesabre> it was until earlier in the cycle, then got pulled into the kubuntu seed with the breeze upload
[21:19] <knome> maybe some packageseed building wizard knows a way around this - we don't
[21:20] <bluesabre> seeds are generated by a script run by DMB members, micahg is currently looking into it
[21:22] <ochosi> yeah, but really, i don't wanna waste any more time and manhours on that. if you want orion just take it. we're not maintaining it anymore either way
[21:23] <knome> so yeah, for that, it's as simple as dropping it from shimmer-themes :)
[21:23] <yofel> sure, we'll probably do that for 15.10. I don't think we or the plasma folks will find a good replacement in a hurry
[21:24] <knome> if you want something that matches, then likely not
[21:24] <knome> if you want something that works, then it's a different thing, but then we'll likely need some packageset hacking anyway ;)