[00:02] we need to draw in new people, and educate them [00:02] but for now, dinner [05:07] valorie: Mamarok I believe it was changed in the dailies === prth__ is now known as prth [10:52] Howdy folks [13:43] yofel: you about? [16:18] ovidiu-florin: ? === sebas_ is now known as sebas === Sho_ is now known as Sho|Test === Sho|Test is now known as Sho_ [21:02] hello kubuntu uploaders! [21:02] (and developers) [21:03] because of some changes lately, shimmer-themes has been snatched to the kubuntu packageset from xubuntu - the package-internal reason is the orion theme [21:04] now, the orion theme is actually not maintained anymore, so for the xubuntu/shimmer team, it's ok that we simply remove that theme from the package and regain control of shimmer-themes [21:04] now the question is, since kubuntu-desktop depends on that package indirectly, we were wondering if that was intentional and that you actually have a use for that theme? [21:06] * knome pokes Riddell,ScottK, sitter [21:07] knome: I'm not doing Kubuntu development anymore. [21:07] ScottK, right-o, just saw you are still have the upload rights [21:07] (because obviously, we need somebody with those to change the package) [21:07] True. [21:08] ScottK, sorry for the distraction! :) [21:08] The packageset is controlled via seeds. [21:08] i know [21:09] we're pretty sure this is an unintentional side-effect, because there's little use for gtk themes with kde [21:09] so here's a bug we've filed to actually fix the situation in another way: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/breeze/+bug/1497784 [21:09] Launchpad bug 1497784 in breeze (Ubuntu) "Drop recommends on deprecated orion-gtk-theme" [Undecided,New] [21:10] except that we need *some* theme for gtk apps, and since gtk broke the theming engine there is no kde-native one anymore [21:10] not sure if we use orion for that... [21:10] yofel, the orion theme is unmaintained though, so it won't work very well with latest gtk3 versions [21:10] yofel, we're happy to just drop it from shimmer-themes too if you want to keep both of the orion theme pieces ;) [21:11] that's why we wanted to check with you first... [21:15] yep [21:15] breeze-5.4.0/misc/gtkbreeze/main.cpp: const QString gtk3Theme = QStringLiteral("Orion"); // Orion looks kindae like breeze [21:16] knome: thanks for the info in any case, we'll look at it tomorrow when Riddell and sitter are here [21:16] sure [21:16] so i guess the two options are that 1) you get the package and totally get to keep it or 2) we resolve the dependency issue in a way or another so that shimmer-themes gets back to xubuntu [21:17] shouldn't adding it to the xubuntu seed put it into both seeds? [21:18] bluesabre, isn't shimmer-themes in the xubuntu seed? [21:18] yofel, ^ and i think no, because the way the packagesets are built [21:19] meh [21:19] (kubuntu comes before xubuntu, so it snatches shimmer-themes) [21:19] it was until earlier in the cycle, then got pulled into the kubuntu seed with the breeze upload [21:19] maybe some packageseed building wizard knows a way around this - we don't [21:20] seeds are generated by a script run by DMB members, micahg is currently looking into it [21:22] yeah, but really, i don't wanna waste any more time and manhours on that. if you want orion just take it. we're not maintaining it anymore either way [21:23] so yeah, for that, it's as simple as dropping it from shimmer-themes :) [21:23] sure, we'll probably do that for 15.10. I don't think we or the plasma folks will find a good replacement in a hurry [21:24] if you want something that matches, then likely not [21:24] if you want something that works, then it's a different thing, but then we'll likely need some packageset hacking anyway ;)