[00:13] <daftykins> :(
[00:13] <daftykins> i think if you didn't want more than openelec could provide, life could be simple :)
[00:14] <shauno> well, I'm trying to use osmc at the moment
[00:14] <shauno> so .. similar.  except I can actually access the filesystem without rebuilding the whole thing
[00:14] <daftykins> oh dear
[00:14] <daftykins> haha i had a PM from one of the people in the community/devs for that, because i called their community incompetent
[00:14] <shauno> (I tried openelec, trying to remaster their rootfs was pure pain)
[00:15] <daftykins> reason being, they tailor the thing for Pis - yet none of their IRC channel even know about the memory divider
[00:15] <shauno> well you're just a big mean meanie.
[00:15] <daftykins> :D
[00:15] <daftykins> was just a bit concerning that i was able to point out the problem to a couple of people, when i don't even own one
[00:15] <shauno> mostly I'm just finding the same problem as the rest of opensource
[00:15] <shauno> "stop trying to fix it, it already works"
[00:16] <daftykins> but you must geek, so it can work _better_!
[00:16] <shauno> this isn't better.  this really isn't better  lol
[00:17] <shauno> I'm trying to figure out how to port the skin I was using on 11, because it was near-perfect.  but they've kept on fiddling, and now it's a disaster
[00:17] <shauno> there's a lot to be said for figuring out when to say no
[00:17] <daftykins> ooh-err, i think skins are an exercise in pain
[00:18] <daftykins> i don't even stray from confluence
[00:19] <shauno> most the skins seem to be obsessed with seeing how many more flashy lights they can fit in
[00:19] <shauno> I had a really old build of refocus where I just had links down the side for movies/tv shows/weather.  and that's it
[00:20] <shauno> now it's all like .. we found some spare space to add another flashy!  needs more, needs more!
[00:20] <daftykins> ah so quite close to the stock ATV one?
[00:20] <shauno> more like the windows metro look, if you took away the tiles behind the text
[00:21] <daftykins> ah-har
[00:21] <shauno> but now each button has borders, which adds nothing.  and each button now tries to do 4 things, when it only needed to do one
[00:22] <shauno> I mean, when I press 'tv shows'.  I want to see my tv shows.  that should be really obvious.  I don't need a submenu.
[00:23]  * daftykins fires up Kodi
[00:23] <shauno> they have added a 'feature' to customize the buttons, but to me that's just admitting that they've replaced "works" with "can be massaged into working"
[00:24] <daftykins> that does sound quite annoying
[00:24] <daftykins> oh dear i've just gotten a 'drive timeout detected' on my RAID :(
[00:24] <daftykins> port 11, hmm
[00:25] <shauno> that also sounds quite annoying :p
[00:25] <daftykins> drive removed O_O
[00:25] <penguin42> how many disks have you got?
[00:25] <daftykins> 12 port controller, ports 7-12 are populated with my newest array atm
[00:26] <daftykins> 1-6 is the old which don't get powered on
[00:26] <daftykins> are the old disks, i should say
[00:26] <shauno> "all of them".  when you're on a far-flung island, it's performant to cache the internet.  the entire internet.
[00:26] <daftykins> :D
[00:26] <penguin42> yeech I hate the 'performant' word
[00:26] <daftykins> and the best part, Kodi carried on updating the library as if nothing happened
[00:27] <shauno> reminds me, the gen8 hp microserver .. anyone tried running the OS off the sd card?
[00:38] <daftykins> there we go, replugged the power to the disk whilst live and she's rebuilding now
[00:38] <daftykins> "oh noes! our sibling was gone for mere minutes!"
[00:43] <daftykins> <3 hardware RAID :)
[00:44]  * penguin42 got sent a job ad for a C++ programmer in Cambridge doing something involving Yocto, Perl/Python and Postcipt/PDF/PCL - so it sounds like someones trying to build a Yocto based printer - I'm not interested but can forward to anyone who is
[01:13] <daftykins> ah this "Mr. Robot" is really fun so far :) episode 1
[01:33] <shauno> aha, got my optical out working :)
[01:34] <shauno> and yeha, I liked ep1.  but ..
[01:38] <daftykins> slid from there huh?
[01:41] <shauno> I dunno.  everyone else seems to like it
[01:59] <daftykins> there we go, ep 1 down
[08:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:07] <leecowdrey_> Ah the RAT survivors
[08:08] <zmoylan-pi> those that minded the step...
[08:15] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: lol
[08:15] <czajkowski> I was driving I've to fly in a few hours on a 11 hr flight
[08:16] <czajkowski> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LauraCzajkowski/posts/3jbCYWG8S43  community social day out
[08:19] <zmoylan-pi> you must by now have the biggest collection of duty free...
[08:23] <czajkowski> I
[08:23] <czajkowski> m past duty free excitement
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> you could build a log cabin of toblerones...
[08:24] <czajkowski> <--- gone
[09:33] <knightwise> morning
[09:36] <knightwise> popey: I am in need of a little convergence demo video of ubuntu (where you can switch from touch to desktop mode) do you have anyplace I might find a decent one ?
[09:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:55] <Myrtti> mmm cracked corn toblerone
[10:00] <leecowdrey_> Knightwise there are some on YouTube
[10:02] <knightwise> leecowdrey_: found some .. mostly demos by engineers or developers .. no "commercial video's " that i can quickly use in a presentation
[10:04] <leecowdrey_> Yeah sorry, don't know about commercial ones as thought was still work in progress for 2016 as the phones out on the market (not ports) don't yet support MHL
[10:40] <popey> knightwise: no commerical ones yet because it's not stable enough
[15:18] <knightwise> popey: not even concept ones ?
[15:18] <popey> no
[16:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:42]  * penguin42 yawns
[18:03] <popey> yo
[18:04] <penguin42> hey popey
[18:05] <bigcalm> Word
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> hammer time...
[18:28] <MooDoo> evening all
[18:28] <daftykins> \o
[18:44] <popey> yo
[19:14] <zmoylan-pi> all the rail passengers survived the rat then?
[19:15] <dutchie> apparently
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> and did anyone slip the receipt from a tattoo parlor into the back pocket of anyone? :-D
[19:23] <shauno> I wonder if there's a term for that?  'rat train', like 'pin number'
[19:26] <daftykins> hmm
[19:26] <daftykins> seems like the kinda thing that should
[19:26] <shauno> that's what I'm thinking.  if spoonerisms have a term, this surely should
[19:27] <shauno> closest I can find is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome
[19:28] <shauno> but that seems quite difficult to use in a sentence.
[19:29] <shauno> (and I'm quite impressed I found that much.  further proof that googling stuff is the primary skillset in my job)
[19:29] <daftykins> wow
[19:30] <daftykins> haha yeah i'm amazed you found that
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't rat train be wrong as the t in rat is train?
[19:37] <daftykins> nah that's the point, it's redundant repetition on the tail end of acronyms
[19:38] <foobarry> hmm, my lid doesn't suspend the laptop anymore
[19:38] <shauno> right, "real ale train train"
[19:38]  * zmoylan-pi leaves these common redundancies... http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/redundancies.htm
[19:42] <popey> I never call it RAT, it's always known as the Beer Train round these parts
[19:46] <foobarry> firefox doesn't reflow text on android :(
[19:50]  * Laney screams
[19:51] <Laney> took me 9 attempts to type my passphrase just now
[19:51] <Laney> emphasis on the phrase
[19:51] <foobarry> Alongtimeagoinagalaxyfarfaraway
[19:52] <daftykins> Laney: into what?
[19:52] <Laney> pinentry dialog
[19:52] <Laney> was sighing an email
[19:53] <daftykins> signing?
[19:53]  * daftykins blinks
[19:53] <Laney> yes very good
[19:53] <Laney> if I just type it slower it'll probably take less time overall
[19:53] <shauno> well now we can see why the passphrase was a struggle ;)
[19:54] <daftykins> XD
[19:54] <Laney> right
[19:54] <Laney> goodbye!
[19:54] <shauno> I keep getting this at work.  everytime they make us change our passwords, by time it's muscle-memory it's time to change it again
[19:55] <shauno> so I feel like an idiot every single time I sit down
[20:00] <daftykins> such policy can only be harmful
[20:01] <daftykins> forces folk to pick less complex things i reckon
[20:01] <shauno> or entices them to write them down
[20:07] <popey> which is a good thing
[20:07] <daftykins> wat
[20:08] <popey> writing down passwords is a good idea
[20:08] <popey> it means you can have very long complex passwords and not worry about forgetting them
[20:08] <daftykins> not if they're left in front of the keyboard by users :D
[20:08] <popey> I didn't say that :)
[20:08] <popey> I write mine down. I tend not to stick it to the screen
[20:08] <daftykins> no but i think that's more the scenario we were angling at
[20:08] <shauno> I actually have a bunch on a small whiteboard by my desk
[20:09] <shauno> a practice I'll quit as soon as they actually fix SSO
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> or one of your neighbours gets a drone... ;-)
[20:10] <shauno> heh, I mean at work.  they won't need a drone :)
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> i have my passwords written down bottom to top split across 2 pieces of paper.  so if you find one...
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> and if you can a glimpse it's gibberish
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> i would use ogham but there's not enough characters :-)
[20:12] <shauno> oh I don't bother complicating it at all.  if you want to go do my performance appraisals for me, feel free.  they're all low-value cruft else they'd be using SSO
[20:13] <neuro> EVENIN ALL
[20:39] <foobarry> i wonder if password crack dicts have klingon dicts
[20:41] <foobarry> bah, my lid closed suspend script worked once only :(
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> it's just a list of words added to their already big lists so yeah...