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flexiondotorgdidrocks, If you have a moment can I ask a favour? Please can you update the ubuntu-mate-meta package?07:32
didrocksflexiondotorg: looks good to me, but did you discuss it with the release team to get a FFe or such?07:37
didrocks(there is little rationale in the commit message for the seed addition)07:38
flexiondotorgdidrocks, I haven't because this is new ground. Need some advice.07:38
flexiondotorgThe packages were updated recently in the archive.07:38
flexiondotorgThese version are now compatible with Ubuntu MATE.07:38
flexiondotorgSo, I'd like to include them in Ubuntu MATE.07:38
flexiondotorgI wasn't sure if I needed a FFe to add package to Ubuntu MATE that are already in the archive?07:39
didrocksflexiondotorg: it's still a new product "feature" (by default). Should be easy to get it acked, but still worth getting a FFe for it07:39
* flexiondotorg goes to file a bug.07:39
didrocksthe rationale is "it's easy to get back if we see the feature being really broken and needing to be reverted"07:39
didrocks(and so, won't delay the whole Ubuntu release)07:40
flexiondotorgdidrocks, Thanks for your help. How does this look? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/149788007:46
ubot93Launchpad bug 1497880 in ubuntu-mate-meta (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update ubuntu-mate-meta package" [Undecided,New]07:46
didrocksflexiondotorg: I guess a rationale about what's the added value for the feature will be appreciated by the release team07:49
didrocksotherwise, the rest is good :)07:49
flexiondotorgdidrocks, Opening post edited accordingly :-)08:01
didrocksflexiondotorg: excellent!08:03
flexiondotorgdidrocks, Can I get an ack on that? ;-)08:04
didrocksflexiondotorg: I'm not part of the release team, so get someone from that team :)08:04
didrocks(archive admin team/MIR team for me, a little bit different)08:04
flexiondotorgdidrocks, Ah, sorry. I thought you were.08:05
flexiondotorgdidrocks, Thanks for helping.08:05
didrocksno worry!08:05
ogra_would someone be so kind and let linux-raspi2 (and meta) out of NEW  ?09:18
didrocksogra_: happy to review and to ack once the release team acked the FFe09:22
didrocks(which should be a one minute thing for new packages :p)09:23
ogra_hmm, who does universe approval nowadays ? Laney ?09:34
Laneyall of the release team does all packages09:37
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flexiondotorgdidrocks, Can you update ubuntu-mate-meta for me please? I have an "OK" from Laney :-)11:32
didrocksflexiondotorg: sure, doing!11:33
ubot93Launchpad bug 1497880 in ubuntu-mate-meta (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please update ubuntu-mate-meta package" [Medium,Triaged]11:33
flexiondotorgogra_, I'll be testing that linux-raspi2 stuff this week :-)11:33
flexiondotorgdidrocks, Thanks.11:33
ogra_flexiondotorg, well, i'd like to release the snappy RPi image today :) the package sits in the queue since 5 days already ... should be ripened enough to move on ;)11:34
flexiondotorgogra_, Great.11:34
flexiondotorgogra_, As you may know we make a build of Ubuntu MATE for the Pi 2.11:34
ogra_(i could just pull the binary from the kernel team PPA, snappy doesnt really care, but i'd rather not to if the package moves to the archive soon anway)11:34
ogra_flexiondotorg, good luck with that :)11:35
flexiondotorgIt is the most popular version. More downloads than all other architecture put togther.11:35
* ogra_ is happy he doesnt have to jump through all these hoops anymore, snappy makes HW support so much easier11:35
flexiondotorgDownloaded ~1,000 times per day.11:35
flexiondotorgogra_, When 15.10 is done I really want to invest some time learning Snappy.11:36
apwogra_, hoops that are there to help maintain consistancy and sanity, those being removed is not necessarily a good thing11:42
ogra_apw, well, building the device tarball from archive packages keeps that consistency and sanity somehow11:43
apwogra_, and in that case you had to jump the hoops11:43
ogra_well, i was more referring to the splitting of software for the system(rootfs) and the hardware (kernel/bootloader)11:44
ogra_being able to maintain and upgrade them separately makes porting really a breeze11:45
flexiondotorgdidrocks, Thanks for ubuntu-mate-meta.12:55
didrocksflexiondotorg: yw!12:55
flexiondotorgLaney, I've noticed all the ISO images, for all flavours, have grown considerably since 15.10 Beta 1.12:56
flexiondotorgAbout 200MB to 400MB larger.12:56
flexiondotorgWhat is the cause?12:56
Laneydon't know, sorry12:58
LaneyCompare the .manifest files and see if anything reveals itself12:58
flexiondotorgLaney, I'll investigate.12:58
LaneyI looked at xubuntu and it seemed to be 1.1G both times12:59
flexiondotorgKubuntu was 1.3 now 1.713:01
flexiondotorgUbuntu MATE was 1.1 and is now 1.5.13:02
flexiondotorgUbuntu GNOME was 1.1 now 1.513:04
LaneyProbably best to investigate rather than check all of the flavours.13:04
flexiondotorgYep, will investigate but just illustrating there is a jump.13:04
flexiondotorgLaney, something is pulling in Latex and a heaps of fonts.13:12
flexiondotorgI'll find out what.13:12
* flexiondotorg is zsyncing, which is slow because rural shortware radio internet.13:13
flexiondotorgKubuntu, Ubuntu MATE and Ubuntu GNOME have all aquired the same fonts and latex package since Beta 1.13:21
flexiondotorgLubuntu and Xubuntu are unaffected.13:21
flexiondotorgLaney, texlive-full is being pulled in by germinate for Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu GNOME and Kubuntu. But I can't find a reason why.13:51
flexiondotorgStock Ubuntu is affected also.13:52
seb128is that still an issue or was it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/9.16~dfsg~0-0ubuntu3 ?13:52
flexiondotorgseb128, I'm looking at todays germinate log and todays daily images.13:53
LaneyI don't see it on the pending Ubuntu image13:54
Laneywhich has 0ubuntu313:54
Laneytry a respin?13:54
Laneyseb128: thanks for info13:54
flexiondotorgUbuntu MATE has no-follow-recommends enabled.13:55
flexiondotorgSo should never have encountered this.13:55
flexiondotorgtexlive-base is show is being required by every flavour using apt-show.13:56
flexiondotorgOK, I'll re-spin.13:57
davmor2infinity, cyphermox: Did 15.10 get the "fix" for the broadcom driver again?  I don't see it visible in driver updates on the live session like normal.  I'm running an install to double check if 3rd party drivers installs it14:30
cyphermoxthe "fix" for broadcom?14:31
davmor2cyphermox: removal of bcmwl for the free drivers that never actually work seemingly14:31
cyphermoxdavmor2: do you remember the bug for last time? I have no idea what was changed14:33
davmor2cyphermox: the issue we had to fix for 14.04 point release14:33
cyphermoxI'll try to reproduce it from the bug and do ~ the same thing14:33
davmor2cyphermox: one second14:33
davmor2cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/148101814:34
ubot93Launchpad bug 1481018 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu Trusty) "DELL XPS 13: bcmwl-kernel-source not installed when 3rd party drivers is selected so no wifi and no ethernet port either" [High,Fix released]14:35
cyphermoxok, cool14:37
cyphermoxI'll look at it in a bit14:37
davmor2cyphermox: in additional drivers all I see is mircocode firmware for the intel cpu14:40
* cyphermox looks14:40
davmor2cyphermox: this is what I get from the live desktop trying to install it http://paste.ubuntu.com/12514642/14:54
cyphermoxisn't that different though? that's a network issue14:55
cyphermoxor do you have no network because no wifi?14:56
flexiondotorgLaney, After an ISO respin Ubuntu MATE is the correct size again.15:03
cyphermoxdavmor2: to answer your question, the fix is there already15:12
davmor2cyphermox: no network because the xps only has wifi, however that has the cd enabled so in theory should install it from there if everything is working correctly15:13
davmor2cyphermox: :(15:13
davmor2cyphermox: I wonder if it isn't compatible with the latest kernel15:14
cyphermoxthat's not what it was complaining about though15:14
cyphermoxcan you file a new bug and include /etc/apt/sources.list from the system?15:14
davmor2cyphermox: sure15:14
cyphermoxthen try to update and try it again too15:14
davmor2cyphermox: I'm going to try putting on the usb key again, I'll also double check there are no issues with hte image too15:15
cyphermoxseems to me like maybe the CD is not enabled, or we don't have bcmwl on the CD... at least the files look to be on the CD15:15
cyphermoxmaybe it's not so happy when you use USB rather than a real CD?15:16
davmor2cyphermox: so MD5sums match so I'll readd it to the usb pendrive15:21
davmor2cyphermox: no choice xps13 only has usb ports15:22
davmor2cyphermox: and it worked on the 14.04 point release15:22
cyphermoxwell it didn't seem to try looking on the USB drive at all15:23
davmor2cyphermox: indeed and that is disturbing15:24
davmor2cyphermox: right found it on the pendrive /media/davmor2/Ubuntu 15.10 amd64/pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu4.1_amd64.deb so it is there so I will retry with this fresh image15:28
davmor2cyphermox: and still not showing up15:30
flocculantinfinity: you got any idea what sort of time the images will be frozen for beta tomorrow ?15:34
davmor2cyphermox: so I have a screenshot of what I see, the apt/sources.list anything else I need to drop onto usb key to copy it over here?15:34
infinityflocculant: Oh, look at that, I'm doing a beta this week.  Whee.  I'll have to get my ducks in a row and sort that out today.15:45
ogra_infinity, is there a chnce i could get the rpi kernel package out of the new queue soon ?15:46
infinityogra_: It needs a proper review for potential copyright issues, etc.  I'll try to get to it today during sessions.15:47
ogra_cool., thanks !15:47
ogra_(i think it is the same source as -generic, just different config, not 100% sure though, rtg will know)15:48
rtgogra_, nope, it is only based on our kernel sources, but there are a bunch of patches on top,15:50
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infinityogra_: Yeah, if it was the same source, it wouldn't be a new source package.15:57
infinityrtg: If that's based on master + patches, can it have an identical orig to master, instead of being native?15:59
infinityrtg: Pretty please?15:59
infinityrtg: Makes it 1000% easier to immediately see the delta without involving git.15:59
rtginfinity, sure, wanna reject while I re-upload ?16:00
infinityrtg: (This is how we do keystone)16:00
infinityrtg: Yeahp.16:00
infinityrtg: It also shouldn't need the weird large int ABI number.  I thought we fixed everywhere where those conflict and made that necessary.16:01
infinityapw: ^16:01
infinityYeah, everything it produces has the flavour in the name, so no need for the weird ABI.16:01
apwas long as it has its own flavour number16:01
infinity(Not that it matters either.16:01
rtginfinity, I didn't really study the version too closely since ppisati did the original packaging. it seemed to work.16:01
infinityapw: The reason for it used to be because we produced an unflavoured linux-headers-common from every flavour, and they conflicted.16:02
infinityapw: But now linux-headers-flavour depends on linux-flavour-headers (which isn't confusing naming at all), so the ABI conflict is gone.16:02
apwinfinity, right indeed, and now its <srcpackge>-headers16:03
apwinfinity, that sounds wrong16:03
infinityrtg: Anyhow, it works either way, and I don't really care.  But I'll reject for the lack of orig.16:03
apwinfinity, its not flavour, its <srcpkgname>-headers ... whcih just happens to look like the flavour16:04
infinityapw: Nah, it's not wrong, just the way I described it is wrong (it's src-headers, indeed, which just happens to be linux-flavour-headers in a single-flavour source)16:04
apwas it is common to all flavours in the package16:04
infinityapw: Jinx.16:04
apwmmmmmmmm mm mmm16:04
* rtg repackages with an orig tarball...16:04
infinityrtg: Identical orig (hardlinking is love) to master, please.16:05
davmor2infinity, cyphermox: filed it against bcmwl even though it is some other system. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/149807416:05
ubot93Launchpad bug 1498074 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "Package is not being installed if you install from a usb pendrive created from disks" [Undecided,New]16:05
rtginfinity, raspi2 is back in the NEW queue16:21
davmor2infinity: cyphermox: oh interesting, the intel microcode that I have as an option it install is in the same restricted folder as the bcmwl driver16:46
davmor2so now I have no idea why the bcmwl driver isn't available16:47
infinitydavmor2: Define "available".  apt can't find it, or ubuntu-drivers doesn't tell you you need it?16:49
davmor2infinity: if I try and install it from the cli it says that it can't access the repos and ignores the cdrom (usb pendrive pretending to be the cdrom) I haven't look at what ubuntu-drivers says is there a command for that16:50
davmor2infinity: sudo ubuntu-drivers list just shows intel-microcode16:52
infinitydavmor2: Okay, but if "apt-get instlal blah" doesn't work, that could be why ubuntu-drivers isn't showing it (since it builds the list based on the intersection of your hardware, internal blacklists, and what's in the apt cache).16:54
davmor2infinity: if I do apt search bcmwl-kernel-source that appears16:56
infinitydavmor2: But apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source does...?16:56
infinitydavmor2: apt-cache policy bcmwl-kernel-source16:57
davmor2infinity: version in the repos is newer than the version on the cd16:58
infinitydavmor2: Okay, so that's an ISO building oops.16:59
infinitydavmor2: It'll solve itself (or I'll hit it with a hammer).16:59
davmor2infinity: repos 0ubuntu5 and iso is 0ubuntu4.116:59
infinitydavmor2: Yeah, we hit the hilarious locking bug where the ftp mirror on cdimage hasn't updated for a few days.17:00
infinitydavmor2: So the livefs is up-to-date, but the packages in /pool/ on the ISO are a few days out.17:00
* infinity fixes.17:00
davmor2infinity: nice17:00
davmor2infinity: so basically try again tomorrow17:01
infinityYeah.  Unless you're keen on testing sooner, I can force the issue.17:01
davmor2infinity: It's 18:00 now I finish around 20:00 how long would new images take?17:02
infinitydavmor2: Probably faster than that, but tomorrow makes more sense.17:02
davmor2infinity: iso will be my main priority for the next few days and in particular the xps 13 so I'll hit it with a big hammer tomorrow17:03

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