=== zhxt_afk is now known as zhxt === xiinotulp is now known as plutoniix === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === benonsoftware is now known as bdunn === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === bdunn is now known as benonsoftware === benonsoftware is now known as MerryChristmas === MerryChristmas is now known as benonsoftware [07:38] hello is it worth installing ubuntu on a samsung s4 ? i saw it should be suported.. been using cuyagenmod so far [07:39] is it working okej on that device ? [07:40] mariogrip, hey, where can I buy an one+ with ubuntu? [07:41] Mathisen: you can check this site: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9505 [07:41] mariogrip, (re: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/wip-ubuntu-touch-for-oneplus-one.266170/page-80#post-13192766 ) [07:42] Stanley00, thx sound camera does not seem to great so i think i pass on this :) ... maybe some other day [07:43] Mathisen: that wiki updated on Dec 2013, on the link to xda, the last update time is on 2014-03-24, so you should check the xda link too :3 === dlan_ is now known as dlan [09:09] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Miniature Golf Day! 😃 === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [10:02] Hello :) I've just asked the following question regarding the Messaging app for Ubuntu Touch: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+question/271616 [10:02] I didn't know whether this had already been addressed and then realised I should have double-checked by asking the question in the IRC here before posting it. Apologies if its already been answered. [10:07] so guys.. it;s like a week or so since we can't review apps on ubuntu store o_O [10:08] ogra_, the strange thing is i managed to review "match the colour", but i can't review new apps like Monster Wars ^^ [10:08] JamesTait: ^ [10:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1497305 [10:10] Ubuntu bug 1497305 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Can't review Monster Wars" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:10] Oh, that's weird. I thought that was fixed. [10:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1497161 [10:10] Ubuntu bug 1497161 in Canonical System Image "Can't add or edit reviews in Ubuntu Store" [Undecided,New] [10:11] i just tried to reivew monster wars and it didn't worked :D [10:11] strange enough is that i've manage to review match the colour [10:11] i'll try to review another old and new app [10:12] Related to my question, what is the purpose of being able to select messages in the messaging app? There doesn't appear to be any actions that can be performed after selecting them (other than deletion) [10:14] same with dinosaur, can't review [10:15] JamesTait, look at the new added apps (0 reviews) https://uappexplorer.com/apps [10:15] monster wars should have had at least 20 reviews by now [10:18] That page does look suspiciously devoid of reviews. [10:18] yep [10:18] Narrowing it down to just new apps is helpful though. [10:19] IIRC it was an "old" app I reviewed (Dekko, I think). [10:19] try reviewing monster wars :D https://uappexplorer.com/app/monsterwars.t-mon [10:20] "10/10 make more levels! or else" something like that [10:21] * JamesTait installs another game on his phone, "Just for testing". 😝 [10:23] sure :)) [10:28] "2015-09-21 11:27:13,694 - CRITICAL - Network error submitting a reviews for: monsterwars.t-mon [10:30] OK, we're looking into it again. Sorry about this. [10:35] JamesTait, no :P [10:35] JamesTait, np [10:44] Hi [10:45] I have a laptop with multi-touch support. Out of the box some of the gestures described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch#Supported_Gestures works perfectly. [10:45] There is one specifically which used to work on my old laptop but which does not on my new one [10:45] "3 finger press and drag to move window" [10:46] The laptop has a touchscreen, and that gesture works with the touchscreen if i put three fingers on the screen [10:46] but it does not work on the mousepad [10:46] does anyone know what the relationship is between the touchpad and the screen in the synaptic configuration? Why are some of the gestures available on the screen and not on the touchpad, and vice versa? [10:50] WebVisitor-6, it depends on the type of touchpad and the driver [10:50] WebVisitor-6, a lot of touchpads do not support true multi-touch [10:51] WebVisitor-6, they just interpret the gesture in hardware, which may be two finger drag or perhaps side edge drag [10:51] WebVisitor-6, whereas a touchscreen is a touchscreen [10:52] Ah ok but some of the other three- and four-finger gestures work on the touchpad [10:52] Its a synaptic device as far as i can tell [10:55] WebVisitor-6, like which ones? my touchpad is also synaptic but no 3-4 finger gestures work [10:59] xinput says "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" [11:00] "Virtual core XTEST pointer", "Atmel Atmel maXTouch Digitizer", "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" === xavigarcia is now known as xavigarcia_lunch === om26er_ is now known as om26er [11:22] WebVisitor-6, #ubuntu might be of help. “touch” in this channel refers to ubuntu for phones. [11:50] Elleo, that maliit restart to get introspection requirement for autopilot is a time sink. Is there a way around it? [11:54] jgdx: not that I can think of, other than always running maliit with introspection, but I'd guess there's a runtime cost for that which we don't want to place on all our users === xavigarcia_lunch is now known as xavigarcia [12:01] Elleo, right, that's not wanted. :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:29] Hi! I think I found a very serious "bug" with the unity8 and the indicator-datetime. In the translators message two strftime(3) variables are mixed. [12:30] This is from Launchpad indicator-datetime 29th string: [12:30] en_US example: "%a %d %b %l:%M %p" --> "Fri Oct 31 1:00 PM" en_GB example: "%a %b %d %l:%M %p" --> "Fri 31 Oct 1:00 PM" [12:30] But this is wrong. %d is for the day, not for month. And %b is for month, not for day. [12:31] Sorry, If it is not enough clear, the problem is with the Translators Comment on Launchpad === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:01] robin-hero, hm, have you suggested the new translation? [13:01] Hello Everyone [13:01] i'm thinking about getting an Ubuntu Touch phone, and i have tested it on my Nexus 7 (flo), but i would like to know a bit more about Ubuntu for phones [13:01] daniel_, go ahead! [13:02] jgdx: Yes, But need to modify the Translators Comment in the code [13:03] Once i have ubuntu phone, when a new update is released, do i have to wait for my network company to released just like google or simpler like Ubuntu for pc? [13:03] the latter [13:03] all updates for all devices come from a centra ubuntu server currently [13:03] *central [13:03] usually around the same time [13:03] (every 6 weeks) [13:03] so it means everyone gets it at once? [13:04] right [13:04] vendors are free to set up their own servers indeed, but today there is no such vendor yet [13:04] so i could say it is similar to an ubuntu pc update? [13:04] it may be phased out over 24hrs or so, but it's certainly nothing like "wait until my carrier says its okay" [13:05] ogra2: so vendors are paying canonical for the server system rental? [13:05] that is really good to know [13:06] Hi All, Im looking to install ubuntu touch on a google nexus one. Is there anywhere I can get an image for it? [13:06] !devices | conall [13:06] conall: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [13:06] one other question i got is, i think it is a bit hard to know because depends on other companies but, is canonical working on providing android apps or porting them? [13:06] lotuspsychje, no idea, i dont work in sales :P [13:07] perhaps thats part of the contracts [13:07] ok [13:07] Thanks for that, yes. However, the nexus one is depricated, so I cant use the "ubuntu-device-flash" method [13:07] So I think I need to download the image and use fastboot to flash it? [13:08] i dont think we ever supported the nexus one [13:08] so no, there is no image for it. [13:08] conall: you can try the XDA forums for an existing project maybe [13:08] please someone answer me? [13:09] daniel_: no, we're not [13:09] no plans, no ... and dont be so impatient :) [13:09] i understand [13:10] thanks lotuspsychje [13:10] daniel_: wich app would you need to see ported? [13:10] conall: there's pretty much no chance of porting to the nexus one [13:10] skype because i use it everyday [13:10] daniel_: ask microsoft :) [13:11] popey: lol as if they would listen [13:11] if enough people ask, they listen [13:11] are most of ubuntu apps over html5? [13:12] skype also runs for browsers, what if your browser supports it? [13:12] daniel_: you can try out an alternative telegram [13:12] some are html5, some are qt/qml, some are c++ [13:13] daniel_: no video chats for now though.. [13:13] skype web doesn't fully work on our browser yet, maybe in the future [13:13] awwn :( [13:13] but still an alternative :) [13:13] once the browser has proper camera and mic integration (as well as WebRTC) it will perhaps [13:13] daniel_: convince all your friends to change to telegram :p [13:14] lotuspsychje: that will be a challenge :p [13:14] daniel_: lot of users already use it [13:15] lotuspsychje: when someone ports ubuntu touch to a sony device for example, if a new release is available, will this person have to make a new build or just update from canonical? [13:17] if it's an officially supported device, we make the updates [13:18] doesn't the nexus4 charge when connected to a laptop via a usb cable? [13:18] it does, but not fast [13:18] seems like mine is draining instead [13:18] well, and probably doesnt when you actually use it [13:18] from 13% to 10% [13:18] ah, ok [13:19] a USB port can only supply 500mA max [13:19] I'm reflashing and installing packages and running autopilot tests [13:19] if your device uses more it will drain more than it charges [13:19] ok [13:19] yeah, that surely draws more than 500mA [13:19] kenvandine, morning :) ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_security.SecurityTestCase.test_lock_security_focus_on_entry is flakey.. I'm trying to figure it out. But… do we need that test? [13:19] (and beyond that these 500mA are theoretical ... if your hub inside the laptop is shared the power might be shared too) [13:20] jgdx, does that test just verify the entry has focus? [13:20] kenvandine, oui [13:20] so i think we had a bug where that entry didn't get focus automatically, so this test was added to prevent regressions [13:21] i suspect there is a real bug keeping that entry from getting focus [13:21] or... it's racy [13:21] kenvandine, the dialog does not appear at all [13:21] like not allowing enough time for the entry to get focus? [13:21] so that's a real problem then right? [13:21] i don't know yet, but that's the reason the test fails [13:22] isn't this supposed to work? [13:22] tim@ubuntu:~/.cache$ ubuntu-device-flash --clean-cache [13:22] Unknown command `ubuntu-device-flash'. Please specify one command of: core, query or touch [13:22] well, you didnt specify a command [13:23] (like the message tells you) [13:23] kenvandine, so I'm looking at the test being run on mako, and when it fails, the “Change passcode…” button is tapped (it gets darker) but nothing happens. [13:24] jgdx, that's not cool [13:24] kenvandine, no it aint.. happens 5-10% of the times run [13:24] jgdx, but you can only reproduce it in the tests? [13:25] ogra_: ahh.. I expected --clean-cache to just wipe my cache, even if I'm not flashing a new image [13:25] t1mp, indeed it will, but it still needs to knwo if it shoudl wipe a snappy cache or a phone cache ... you didnt tell it ;) [13:26] ogra_: I'll just rm -rf ~/.cache/ubuntuimages ;) [13:26] why dont you just add the command ? [13:27] kenvandine, i can reproduce the ultimate result (no click and click-effect on the button) by swiping on the button [13:27] kenvandine, but not if I tap it. [13:27] jgdx, oh... maybe autopilot is broken? [13:27] kenvandine, so I wonder if an autopilot tap is intepreted as a swipe [13:29] ogra_: right.. I already deleted the cache directory, and now ubuntu-device-flash --clean-cache touch seems to work. But iirc before it was asking for a device id, which I could have figured out but it is less work for me to just delete the directory [13:30] kenvandine, that would explain why we get failures like the last one here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3486/ [13:30] kenvandine, the first one is real and I have a fix. [13:31] jgdx, cool [13:31] jgdx, what was the fix for the first one? [13:32] kenvandine, it was broken but good. A new page was added and strings the test use were changed, but the test wasn't changed. [13:32] ah [13:38] Hey! Sometimes when I push the power button on my device to unlock it, it shows the power off/restart dialog. Anybody experience this? [13:39] Me too, on bq Aquaris E5. This did not happen before the last OTA. [13:39] peter-bittner: Did you fill a bug report on launchpad? [13:40] I searched for it on Launchpad, but didn't find any releated [13:40] No, there are more important things to complain about! :-) [13:41] there was a bu about it and that was supposed to be fixed [13:41] *bug [13:41] ogra_: Could you give us a link? [13:41] so worth opening it again or filing a new one [13:42] no [13:42] OK, I'll filled a new on [13:42] * ogra_ doesnt have it handy and is super busy with other stuff atm ... but i know we had one about two OTAs ago ... just file a new one [13:42] ogra_: And for which project? Unity8? [13:43] either that or powerd ... in the end it needs to show up inder canonical-system-image anyway, so you could even file it directly against that [13:46] Filled: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1498006 peter-bittner: please mark the "affects you". [13:46] Ubuntu bug 1498006 in Canonical System Image "Sometimes the power off/restart menu appears when I push the power button to unlock my phone." [Undecided,New] [13:47] Done. [13:47] Thanks [13:48] You're my hero! ;-) (just kidding) [13:49] :D [13:50] Thanks lotuspsychje popey ogra_ wish you all good luck with ubuntu touch :) [13:54] * mterry will buy cyphermox a beer if https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/network-manager/lp1480877-wifi-rm-dup-scan-signals/+merge/271575 gets reviewed in time for OTA7. It's killing me when I walk around my neighborhood :) [13:57] daniel_: good luck yourself purchasing ubuntu phone :p [14:03] sil2100: Hey! You mentioned in one of your email the translations automatically update every week. But as I see the last update was two weeks ago. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afl === dandrader|afl is now known as dandrader|afk [14:11] robin-hero: hey! Let me look into it later, it should have been all automated now [14:11] Thanks for mentioning [14:11] sil2100: Thanks [14:18] mterry: it was on my list of things from Tony to review already, but it's not that obvious a fix [14:18] in any case, I added a comment [14:19] cyphermox, fair. I don't know anything about the code itself. I just hate that bug :) [14:19] mterry: yeah, I understand [14:19] A question on Ubuntu desktop (sorry!). Which one is the current default IM client? Still Empathy? [14:20] peter-bittner: Yes [14:20] maybe even not making this come up in propertiesChanged,, since it's not quite something up to the AP itself, more like internal NM data that users might use, but maybe don't need to be reminded everytime it changes [14:20] mterry: ^ [14:20] Thanks! -- Are there any plans to package Empathy for ARM? (i.e. Ubuntu Touch) [14:21] cyphermox, the last-seen property? ::shrug:: I don't know the rationales there. but sure [14:21] yeah [14:21] it's something that already existed in NM, but we exposed it for GPS/Wifi triangulation so you could use very recent APs to figure out where you are [14:24] cyphermox, my mp fixes a bug that was introduced by the location service [14:25] there's no reason to send the same signal 2-3 times in time-span of less than a minute [14:25] prior to the location service change [14:25] awe_: of course not, still *shrugs* have you discussed it with tvoss or whomever maintains location-service now? [14:25] the code all used "schedule_cull_list" [14:25] which prevented dups [14:25] I added mandel to the review [14:26] I would simply rather make sure we make this as least intrusive as possible, and that upstream knows about the changes if they apply to master [14:26] (which I think they might, now) [14:26] again, this was a change that *we* introduced === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:28] sure, but you're proposing to remove some large parts of upstream code [14:29] in the end, I defer to your knowledge of the problem matter. I don't look at NM that much nowadays and I know you tested this [14:29] I'm just saying that if there's some parts of upstream code that you'd like to change, it would be good to bring it up upstream, resubmit patches and whatnot [14:30] the only big removal was bss_updated_cb, and the only thing it was used for was scheduling a scan_list_cull and updating last_seen [14:30] since scan_done_cb does this already, it's really not adding anything useful [14:30] then merge it and send the patch upstream, please [14:31] again... I'll check, but I'm not sure you pushed the change upstream that caused the problem [14:31] but let me check [14:38] awe_: I did send it to the ML, no hurt in pushing it again with updates so it's not broken. [14:38] k, as mentioned I'll take a look [14:59] H! is there a way to change screen brightness through powerd ? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:27] awe_, does meizu mx4 work with 3g here in the states? I'm having a hard time finding info online about it [15:27] mterry, yes. no lte [15:27] ah... looks like yes for at&t anyway... [15:28] I use AT&T, and it works fine [15:28] awe_, I have metropcs... let me see if those use the same bands... [15:28] not sure if I've tried my T-Mobil SIM, but pretty sure I have [15:28] yea.. I think it has 'em all [15:28] ( for 3g ) [15:28] awe_, I'm using a nexus 4 right now for personal use, so I'm used to no 4g [15:29] wow, old man's phone [15:29] ;D [15:29] awe_, it's not a great phone these days === nuclearbob is now known as nuclearbob_lunch [16:01] ogra2, or Laney should I be able to disable apport simply by changing /etc/default/apport to enabled=0, that file is empty on the phone [16:02] stop pining my snappy testuser :P [16:03] pmcgowan, you should just be able to disable it in the UI as i understand [16:03] pmcgowan, but a different setting for stable and proposed would mean a new image to publish to stable [16:03] and no way for the user to enable it [16:05] ogra_, I want apport to not run the UI just controls whoopsie [16:06] jibel: pmcgowan do we have a clear plan for silo 55 (media hub mpris stuff)? Was any decision taken to land it after we looked at the list of gotchas the music guys found? [16:06] pmcgowan, whoopsie controls apport [16:08] I don't think that whoopsie turns apport off [16:08] pmcgowan: I think so [16:08] ah, i thought it should [16:08] It just turns off uploading [16:09] the wording in system settings certainly only implies the tickbox is responsible for controlling "sending to canonical" not "filling /var/crash" [16:09] ogra_: Laney is right it turns off uploading which means you disk slowly fills with bug report that sit there [16:10] (interestingly it's worth noting that the machine ID is fixed, if you sell your phone to someone else and they do a factory reset or wipe, then your crash reports appear with theirs before you bought the phone) [16:10] (on errors.ubuntu.com) [16:11] (I have someone elses phone, and I can see their crashes) [16:13] ogra_, turning off whoopsie addresses privacy concerns but doesn't turn off apport. [16:14] k [16:14] i thought bdmurray had said that was handled internally by whoopsie [16:14] but i obviously mis-remember that [16:15] ( Laney is definitely deeper int the code than i ever was :) ) [16:15] not that deep [16:15] deeper :) [16:15] hm, neverball no longer starts on my rc-proposed phone [16:15] did we break mir/sdl? [16:15] like maybe the dermis [16:15] works on my ota-6 phone [16:16] yeah, better than the goosebump surfaces i know :) [16:16] popey, confirmed [16:16] filed https://github.com/pseuudonym404/neverball-touch/issues/11 [16:17] hey bart, your epidermis is showing [16:17] this is worrying, we broke apps in the store [16:17] seems to crash really early [16:17] like even before the start animation comes up properly [16:27] hmm, mediascanner is constantly crashing here on rc-proposed [16:27] in a loop -> mediascanner -> apport -> mediascanner -> apport [16:28] every 2 seconds [16:29] so, tedg I have a counter-argument to your position that crashing apps aren't a problem :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/12515201/ [16:30] popey: ? [16:30] I think crashes are a problem :-) [16:31] pft :) [16:32] OTA7 is a week away, right? [16:32] or so [16:32] ish :P [16:32] c00l [16:33] popey: I see no mediascanner crash [16:33] probably media specific [16:33] but there's no log [16:33] guest42315, if there are serious bugs found during QA the OTA will be delayed ... so dont take the date as set in stone, it is just an estimate ... quality > being on time [16:33] ogra2, Laney hey I lost connection, what was the answer to turn apport off? as it didnt work for me setting that flag [16:34] pmcgowan, Laney claimed (obviously rightly) that whoopsie doesnt turn off apport [16:34] but how does one turn it off on the phone [16:34] by editing /etc7default/approt atm i guess [16:35] pmcgowan: it turns off uploading not apport [16:35] yay, typos galore [16:35] ogra_, I did that it the service is still running [16:35] unless I misunderstand [16:35] you need to reboot [16:35] did [16:35] its not a dynamic toggle [16:35] hmm [16:35] service --status-all shows apport ? [16:35] does that mean its running [16:35] the upstart job of apport shoudl respect it [16:36] popey, abeato is making fixes to media hub, then need to retest I assume [16:37] popey: I can confirm your neverball issue, possibly one of the many update to mir/qtmir/unity8/ however we do not shockingly start every app in the store to see if we regressed. [16:37] ok, thanks pmcgowan [16:37] davmor2: shouldn't have to, should be backwards compatible [16:38] davmor2: shall i file a mir bug do you think? [16:39] popey: well it seems ot be crashing before the app opens, so that to me would suggest that the app calls it's import maybe and dies there. Just checking to see if I see a log file [16:40] popey: Failure to initialize SDL (Failed to connect to the Mir Server) [16:40] davmor2: yeah, thats in the github issue [16:40] uh. I just disabled apport by putting "enabled=0" in /etc/default/apport and rebooted the phone, now my phone is in a reboot loop! [16:40] pmcgowan, this flag controls the upstart job, you first have to stop apport as root, then set enabled=0 [16:41] pmcgowan: cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern ? [16:41] not trivial to do from the UI as phablet [16:43] popey, thou shalt not disable bug reporting ! [16:43] clearly [16:44] well this is annoying [16:44] phew, managed to ssh in and remove that line from /etc/default/apport before it rebooted again [16:44] and that fixed it ? === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|eod [16:45] dunno, rebooting [16:45] curious how this could break (or fix) the boot [16:45] sounds honestly more like a coincidence [16:45] yup [16:45] fixed [16:46] insane [16:46] yes [16:46] pmcgowan: don't set that :) [16:46] popey, can you try again, it's weird. [16:46] okay [16:46] the only thing I will do is edit /etc/default/apport, add enabled=0, save and reboot [16:46] okay? [16:47] popey, yes [16:47] ok, done [16:48] it gets as far as unity, the indicators etc, and then reboots. [16:48] I just tried it, worked for me [16:49] forgot what I'm running though [16:49] let me look [16:49] i have things crashing though [16:49] which might be what triggers it [16:49] popey, it works fine here, however the core pattern is set to /bad_core_pattern [16:49] unity works so probably ...vivid [16:49] (mediascanner is crashing in a loop for me) [16:49] instead of core [16:49] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern [16:49] core [16:50] so maybe if one of you can turn it on and try and orchestrate a crash of some kind [16:50] to see if that triggers the reboot [16:50] s/on/off/ [16:50] Laney, I get "/bad_core_pattern" [16:51] same here [16:51] popey, jibel what is working for you/ [16:51] ? [16:51] I don't even know what that means [16:51] sorry [16:51] pmcgowan: if I set enabled=0 and reboot, my phone goes into a reboot loop. I suspect because I have a mediascanner problem (it's crashing constantly) which is probably triggering the reboot. [16:52] This is on krillin, my rc-proposed phone [16:52] Laney, popey how do I check that apport is actually disabled, as it shows up in the service list [16:52] pmcgowan, apport doesn't generate a crash report [16:52] if you don't have apport in the core_pattern then crashes won't be passed to it [16:52] ok [16:53] check it on your desktop [16:53] that's how it works [16:53] bah, undone the edit to /etc/default/apport but now it's kept /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern as /bad_core_pattern and my phone keeps rebooting :( [16:56] popey, i still wonder if its a coincidence ... there is a watchdog that cyphermox implemented that force-reboots if upstart processes go into a loop [16:56] nice [16:56] that seems somewhat unuseful [16:56] yeah, it should stop at some point and pop up "call the support" or some such :) [16:57] i have barely a few seconds during the boot process in which I can ssh in and fix stuff [16:58] :( [16:58] any idea how I can make this not-broken? [16:58] * ogra_ has no clue about the watchdog [16:58] (*if* that is what kicks in) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === ogra2 is now known as ogra-snappy-test [17:19] popey, ogra_ flash an adb enabled recovery image and edit from there maybe? [17:19] yeah, if all else fails [17:26] ugh [17:27] editing the file doesn't make any difference now, it's just in a constant reboot loop [17:27] yeah, i guess its the watchdog rather than the file [17:28] there should be messages soemwhere ... either in syslog or dmesg [17:28] why on earth would rebooting be the right thing to do when you have a crashy process? [17:28] from what? [17:28] popey, dont ask me :P [17:28] * ogra_ never liked that idea ... [17:28] i think android does something similar [17:29] cyphermox, is there a way to intercept the reboot loop you get when watchdog kicks in ? [17:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/12515647/ that's all I get from syslog [17:30] Sep 21 17:29:43 ubuntu-phablet session-watchdog: 'mediascanner-2.0' (instance '') hit respawn limit - asking logind to reboot [17:30] Sep 21 17:29:43 ubuntu-phablet session-watchdog: 'mediascanner-2.0' (instance '') hit respawn limit - asking logind to reboot [17:30] hah [17:30] :) [17:31] echo manual >> ~/.config/upstart/mediascanner-2.0.override [17:31] might do it [17:31] yeah [17:31] degraded mode :) [17:32] i guess you could do the same for the watchdog [17:32] iirc it is an upstart job too [17:32] jdstrand: hi. what's the landing process for apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu changes? is it appropriate to add an MP for that to a silo in ci train? [17:33] right, got my phone to stop rebooting with that [17:34] jamesh, why would this be after disabling apport? cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern [17:35] "/bad_core_pattern" [17:42] pmcgowan, i think thats an android kernel default [17:42] to prevent crating any core files at all [17:42] pmcgowan, what ogra said, it is set by the kernel depending on the platform [17:43] ie different devices will have different default pattern [17:43] dobey: we don't do MP builds for apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, but an MP is fine. but this needs discussion because it requires changing the default template [17:43] it usually says "core" in other kernels [17:43] dobey: which will trigger a recompile of a lot of app policy [17:43] which would create a /tmp/core file if somethionng crashes [17:43]