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| hikiko | hello | 15:08 |
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| * beisner queues up to chair in a few min... | 15:57 | |
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| kickinz1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| coreycb | o/ | 16:00 |
| smb | o/ | 16:00 |
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| beisner | o/ | 16:00 |
| hallyn | \o | 16:00 |
| beisner | #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team | 16:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Sep 22 16:00:47 2015 UTC. The chair is beisner. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:00 |
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| beisner | greetings, everyone | 16:00 |
| smoser | o/ | 16:00 |
| beisner | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 16:01 |
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| beisner | * rharper collect team thoughts on whether we should have something like numad and other NUMA related placement stuff | 16:01 |
| beisner | update, discussion re: the 1 action item from last wk? ^ | 16:01 |
| arges | numad | 0.5+20150602-2 | wily/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el | 16:02 |
| arges | numatop | 1.0.3-0ubuntu1 | wily/universe | source, amd64, i386 | 16:03 |
| arges | what other numa packages are needed? | 16:03 |
| * hallyn has a feeling rharper is not around | 16:03 | |
| beisner | yeah i'm not up to speed on that one. rharper smoser ? | 16:03 |
| beisner | 321.. we can circle back when rharper arrives | 16:04 |
| beisner | #topic Wily Development | 16:04 |
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| beisner | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule | 16:04 |
| smoser | yeah, no status thre. we'llw ait more on rharper next trime | 16:04 |
| smoser | but he is not here. | 16:04 |
| beisner | we are in final beta freeze | 16:04 |
| beisner | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server | 16:05 |
| beisner | do we need assignees for the triaged + confirmed bugs there? | 16:06 |
| smoser | looking | 16:06 |
| beisner | i'd also like to query for status/eta on bug 1488453 | 16:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1488453 in openhpi (Ubuntu) "Package postinst always fail on first install when using systemd" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488453 | 16:07 |
| smoser | woudl be good to look at the cve one, but it is old. | 16:07 |
| smoser | that one is assigned to me. you are bothered by it, beisner ? | 16:07 |
| beisner | my bug 1479661 is a dup of that -- net effect is that hacluster isn't deployable to vivid or wily. | 16:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1488453 in openhpi (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1479661 Package postinst always fail on first install when using systemd" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488453 | 16:08 |
| smoser | beisner, i'll take a look | 16:09 |
| smoser | feel free to bother me | 16:09 |
| beisner | smoser, cool thanks. bothered ;-) | 16:09 |
| beisner | any other general bug discussion? | 16:10 |
| beisner | if not, moving on | 16:10 |
| beisner | #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou) | 16:10 |
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| caribou | nothing to mention, sir | 16:11 |
| beisner | thanks caribou | 16:11 |
| beisner | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara) | 16:11 |
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| matsubara | Hi beisner, nothing to report. | 16:11 |
| beisner | hi matsubara - ok cool. thank you | 16:11 |
| beisner | #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges) | 16:11 |
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| smb | I got nothing to report from our side. Are there any questions/requests from your side? | 16:12 |
| beisner | smb autobot polls the audience | 16:12 |
| caribou | smb: I got one | 16:12 |
| smb | yup? | 16:12 |
| caribou | smb: the kernel dump currently fails with crashkernel=128M | 16:12 |
| caribou | smb: looks like a initramfs size issue | 16:12 |
| smb | yeah, I think you were discussing with apw about that. | 16:13 |
| caribou | yes, but didn't get anywhere yet. Any chance we can address this before release ? | 16:13 |
| arges | caribou: is there a bug filed? : ) | 16:13 |
| caribou | arges: yes looking for it atm | 16:13 |
| arges | i remember we changed the size at some point, or were thikning about it | 16:14 |
| caribou | bug #1496317 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | bug 1496317 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "kexec fails with OOM killer with the current crashkernel=128 value" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496317 | 16:14 |
| caribou | changing MODULES=dep in initramfs.conf works around the issue | 16:14 |
| caribou | brings the size of the initramfs from 29M to 12M | 16:14 |
| apw | smb, i think we should consider making an =dep initrd as well when kdump is installed | 16:14 |
| smb | Beside of increasing the reserverd mem again, the change for only building required modules into initramfs might be a bit late... Wasn't the question about whether this could be made as a part of kdump's postinst | 16:14 |
| arges | could that break things for people that need modules to boot and use kdump? | 16:15 |
| arges | need the modules that may be dropped by change from most to dep | 16:15 |
| smb | arges, only if the swap hw | 16:15 |
| apw | in theory not as they should have everything that they have loaded | 16:15 |
| caribou | we can fix that after release, it's not _that_ critical | 16:16 |
| apw | given all we do in there is mount / and copy the dump and then reboot | 16:16 |
| apw | but ... how to trigger the maintenance of _both_ sizes not so easy | 16:16 |
| caribou | apw: better to fix that after release then? | 16:17 |
| arges | yea so a cold boot would also need most ,but after kexec'ing we could have something more minimal. What about bumping 128M? | 16:17 |
| apw | caribou, its a change i dont know the magnitude of for sure | 16:17 |
| caribou | apw: then let's hold on to it, since there is a known workaround | 16:18 |
| caribou | apw: maybe document it in the release notes | 16:18 |
| arges | i think that's reasonable | 16:19 |
| caribou | apw: better to find a secure option for LTS | 16:19 |
| smb | caribou, I guess one of those but nothing to be decided in the scope of the meeting | 16:20 |
| caribou | arges: ok good for me | 16:20 |
| beisner | interesting. ok so, an action to coordinate on the bug & rls note bits. | 16:20 |
| smb | Best way is to bother us one of there days again | 16:20 |
| beisner | #action caribou arges smb apw to coordinate on bug 1496317 (crashkernel 128M), and/or ensure rls notes reflect workaround. | 16:20 |
| meetingology | ACTION: caribou arges smb apw to coordinate on bug 1496317 (crashkernel 128M), and/or ensure rls notes reflect workaround. | 16:20 |
| caribou | beisner: you can action me on this one | 16:20 |
| ubottu | bug 1496317 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "kexec fails with OOM killer with the current crashkernel=128 value" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496317 | 16:20 |
| beisner | and a belated action from prev topic... | 16:20 |
| beisner | #action smoser and beisner to coordinate on bug 1488453 (hacluster failing V/W) | 16:20 |
| meetingology | ACTION: smoser and beisner to coordinate on bug 1488453 (hacluster failing V/W) | 16:20 |
| ubottu | bug 1488453 in openhpi (Ubuntu) "Package postinst always fail on first install when using systemd" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488453 | 16:20 |
| apw | caribou, i suspect a kdump specific hook for the kernel postinst which uses like /boot/kdump/ to maek skiny ones | 16:20 |
| caribou | apw: will look into that | 16:21 |
| apw | caribou, sounds good | 16:21 |
| arges | need crashkernel=auto | 16:21 |
| beisner | thanks. anything else for the kernel team? | 16:22 |
| beisner | #topic Upcoming Call For Papers | 16:22 |
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| beisner | proposals, anyone? | 16:23 |
| beisner | which really leads to: | 16:23 |
| beisner | #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events | 16:23 |
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| beisner | events, anyone? | 16:23 |
| beisner | openstack developer summit tokyo is in ~1mo. several people will be there representing various interests. | 16:24 |
| beisner | #topic Open Discussion | 16:24 |
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| beisner | shall we mention the python 2 wily thing? | 16:24 |
| beisner | i imagine that will be impactful to many juju charms, and other non-juju use cases. | 16:25 |
| beisner | openstack charms have workarounds in-flight in the dev/next branches. | 16:25 |
| beisner | smoser, other thoughts and/or summary of the status and happenings on that? | 16:26 |
| smoser | sure. | 16:27 |
| smoser | python2 is gone from default ubuntu server installs | 16:27 |
| smoser | that includes maas installs, server ISO installs and cloud images | 16:28 |
| smoser | you can very easily 'apt-get install python2' or any application that correctly depends on python2 | 16:28 |
| beisner | ^ >= Wily, right? | 16:28 |
| smoser | correct. | 16:28 |
| beisner | thanks smoser | 16:28 |
| smoser | you'll see issues if you assumed /usr/bin/python | 16:29 |
| smoser | and further issues if you assumed 'import <something>' would work with that /usr/bin/python | 16:29 |
| smoser | this is a knonwn problem at this point with many charms and maas | 16:29 |
| smoser | (maas uses ephemeral images and assumes it can invoke /usr/bin/python) | 16:30 |
| smoser | so... | 16:30 |
| smoser | your opeiotns to address such thigns: | 16:30 |
| smoser | a.) use python3 | 16:30 |
| smoser | b.) install python2 | 16:30 |
| smoser | c.) use some sort of 'python2or3' | 16:30 |
| smoser | i started https://gist.github.com/smoser/8904199bb8f00a90dd04 | 16:31 |
| smoser | which has just about no doc, and woudl only be very useful if it were installed in ubuntu images | 16:31 |
| smoser | but the idea woudl be that instead of '#!/usr/bin/python' or '#!/usr/bin/env python' | 16:31 |
| smoser | you could: | 16:31 |
| smoser | #!/usr/bin/env py2or3 -myaml | 16:31 |
| smoser | and this would select a python2 or 3 that had yaml available | 16:32 |
| smoser | not yet implemented is the -I2 or -I3 flags that would then cause install if nothing was found suitable | 16:32 |
| smoser | that would allow you do do: | 16:33 |
| smoser | #!/usr/bin/env py2or3 -myaml -I3 | 16:33 |
| smoser | and if you had executed that as root, you'd not know anything other than your program ran as you expected (just a bit slow with 'apt-get install' in the middle) | 16:33 |
| smoser | anyway, thats what i have for that topic. | 16:34 |
| beisner | great, thanks smoser | 16:34 |
| smoser | thanks for raising that, beisner . i'm sure it will cause fun for people in the next months. | 16:34 |
| beisner | alright, so: assume not. define and install dependencies accordingly. and/or follow the gist and consider it as an option. | 16:34 |
| beisner | i'm sure we'll be tracking that closely, thx again smoser | 16:35 |
| beisner | #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair | 16:35 |
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| beisner | same time same day same channel, gaughen will be your host. | 16:35 |
| beisner | thank you all, have a great day! | 16:35 |
| * gaughen crosses fingers! | 16:35 | |
| gaughen | thanks beisner! | 16:35 |
| beisner | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Sep 22 16:35:56 2015 UTC. | 16:35 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-22-16.00.moin.txt | 16:35 |
| beisner | yw gaughen | 16:35 |
| kickinz1 | thanks beisner | 16:36 |
| gaughen | 3rd reschedule is the charm right? I should be able to do it next week | 16:36 |
| caribou | thanks beisner ! | 16:36 |
| beisner | +1 wk i should say | 16:36 |
| gaughen | beisner, bat time takes that into account | 16:36 |
| jsalisbury | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | ## | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Sep 22 17:00:10 2015 UTC. The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Wily | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # Meeting Etiquette | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | # 'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized) | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting | 17:00 |
| smb | o/ | 17:00 |
| cking | o/ | 17:00 |
| bjf | o/ | 17:00 |
| arges | o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ | 17:00 |
| henrix | o/ | 17:00 |
| kamal | o/ | 17:00 |
| sforshee | o/ | 17:00 |
| ogasawara | o/ | 17:00 |
| chiluk | o/ | 17:00 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury) | 17:01 |
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| jsalisbury | Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link: | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kt-meeting.txt | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:01 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Wily Development Kernel (ogasawara) | 17:01 |
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| ogasawara | Our Wily kernel has been rebased to stable v4.2.1 and uploaded to | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | wily-proposed, ie 4.2.0-11.13. We will continue to track 4.2 for | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | the remainder of the 15.10 cycle. As a reminder, we are approaching | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | Wily Kernel Freeze on Oct 8, ~2 weeks away. If there are any patches | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | which need to land for 15.10, please get them submitted soon. Following | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | the Kernel Freeze deadline, all patches are subject to our SRU policy. | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | ----- | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | Important upcoming dates: | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Oct 8 - Kernel Freeze (~2 weeks away) | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Oct 15 - Final Freeze (~3 weeks away) | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | Thurs Oct 22 - 15.10 Release (~4 weeks away) | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | .. | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: CVE's | 17:02 |
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| jsalisbury | The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link: | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-cves.html | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | .. | 17:02 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Trusty/lts-utopic/Vivid (bjf) | 17:02 |
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| bjf | Status for the main kernels, until today: | 17:02 |
| bjf | * Precise - Verification & Testing | 17:02 |
| bjf | * Trusty - Verification & Testing | 17:02 |
| bjf | * lts-Utopic - Verification & Testing | 17:02 |
| bjf | * Vivid - Verification & Testing | 17:02 |
| bjf | 17:02 | |
| bjf | Current opened tracking bugs details: | 17:02 |
| bjf | * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html | 17:02 |
| bjf | For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information: | 17:02 |
| bjf | * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html | 17:03 |
| bjf | 17:03 | |
| bjf | 17:03 | |
| bjf | Schedule: | 17:03 |
| bjf | 17:03 | |
| bjf | cycle: 04-Sep through 26-Sep | 17:03 |
| bjf | ==================================================================== | 17:03 |
| bjf | 04-Sep Last day for kernel commits for this cycle | 17:03 |
| bjf | 06-Sep - 12-Sep Kernel prep week. | 17:03 |
| bjf | 13-Sep - 19-Sep Bug verification & Regression testing. | 17:03 |
| bjf | 20-Sep - 26-Sep Regression testing & Release to -updates. | 17:03 |
| bjf | .. | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 17:03 |
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| jsalisbury | Thanks everyone | 17:03 |
| jsalisbury | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Sep 22 17:03:59 2015 UTC. | 17:03 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-22-17.00.moin.txt | 17:03 |
| kamal | thanks jsalisbury | 17:04 |
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