[14:36] <swaveck> howdy
[14:40] <balloons> hello hello
[14:40] <balloons> t-20 mins till launch!
[14:45] <dholbach> welcome welcome :)
[14:52]  * dragonbite slaps dragonbite around a bit with a large fishbot
[14:53] <dragonbite> :)
[14:53] <dragonbite> :O
[14:53] <dragonbite> ;)
[14:54] <dragonbite> X)
[14:54] <dragonbite> 8)
[14:55] <dragonbite> 5 minutes and counting
[14:56] <dholbach> if you have questions, make sure you prefix them with QUESTION: so we can more easily pick them up
[14:57] <dholbach> we'll queue them up and ask one at a time :)
[14:59] <dragonbite> BORED:   :)   :0   ;)   8)
[14:59] <dholbach> relax - we're almost there :)
[14:59] <clobrano> LOL
[15:00] <dholbach> we're live!
[15:00] <justCarakas> o/
[15:01] <justCarakas> we see you :)
[15:01] <balloons> excellente
[15:02] <mhall119> dholbach: balloons: can you give a shout out for UbuCon@FOSSETCON
[15:02] <mhall119> http://mhall119.com/2015/09/the-next-ubucon-is-in-orlando-florida/
[15:02] <balloons> bring on the questions :-) Prefix with QUESTION, and we'll get to it asap
[15:03] <mhall119> QUESTION: dholbach: balloons: can you give a shout out for UbuCon@FOSSETCON :)
[15:03] <dholbach> on it
[15:04] <mhall119> yay, thanks balloons :)
[15:04] <mhall119> Nov 19-21
[15:05] <gameleon> QUESTION: what's the release date for  Oneplus 2 with ubuntu?
[15:05] <mhall119> gameleon: that's getting ported by a community person, not by Canonical
[15:05] <mhall119> or OnePlus
[15:06] <gameleon> ok
[15:06] <mhall119> mariogrip is doing the work, so he can give you more info
[15:06] <gameleon> so there is no release date?
[15:07] <aquarius> QUESTION: when developing an app for Ubuntu phone, should I be able in general to run it on my Ubuntu desktop to test it? This is a very useful property -- it makes testing and development much quicker -- but doesn't always work. Can you (can Pat) talk about whether this should always work, or if it's not a goal to be able to test phone apps on the desktop?
[15:07] <mhall119> gameleon: you'd have to ask mariogrip, but since he's doing it as a volunteer it's probably "when it's ready"
[15:07] <gameleon> ok, thanks. ope2 is a good phone
[15:07] <gameleon> opo
[15:07] <gameleon> opt
[15:08] <mhall119> gameleon: do you have one?
[15:08] <gameleon> no, but the specs are good
[15:08] <mhall119> if so, I'm sure mariogrip would appreciate any help you can give to the porting effort
[15:09] <justCarakas> QUESTION are there updates on the convergent BQ phone ?
[15:10] <mhall119> QUESTION: we've heard about upcoming messaging frameworks and syncing frameworks, can you tell us when those are expected to become available to developers to use?
[15:10] <justCarakas> my nexus 4 is starting to fall apart but I'm waiting for the BQ phone
[15:11] <mhall119> QUESTION: (for pat) what is your daily driver phone?
[15:12] <mariogrip> My priority now is still to get radio work on the Oneplus one, but the Oneplus two will come soon. (if I have to estimate i would say maybe in a month it will boot)
[15:12] <justCarakas> QUESTION in the demos you see a small representation of the big screen on the phone screen. Will that change ? Will we be able to use an onscreen keyboard or/ and use our phone as a touchpad ?
[15:12] <spustet> QUESTION: here in Italy we are Whatsapp dependent, it's the most used messaging platform. Any hint about a possible release of Whatsapp for Ubuntu Phones?
[15:12] <gameleon> QUESTION: any plans for in app payment, bitcoin or virtual money? (ubu coins)
[15:13] <gameleon> thanks mariogrip, one month is good (fast)
[15:14] <dholbach> brilliant - great work!
[15:14] <ndg> QUESTION: Will the phone layout be able to double as a big picture mode for TVs and large displays?
[15:14] <mhall119> QUESTION: what has been the biggest surprise for you in the past two years of phone development? What has been the biggest disappointment?
[15:15] <pavakpaul> QUESTION: There was something called Ubuntu Brainstorm. It's been discontinued. Any alternative way that we can place our idea for Ubuntu?
[15:17] <mariogrip> QUESTION: Is there any plans on Upgrading the Android base to 5.1.x?
[15:18] <gameleon> QUESTION: how long is ubuntu supported on phones and how often is updated? android phone makers usually have really bad software support resulting in insecure phones and fragmentation
[15:18] <aquarius> balloons, it sorta answered my question -- I know some apps do work (the gallery, etc) and some definitely won't work (accelerometer apps, dialler, etc), but I'm trying to work out whether, if my app doesn't run because the right components aren't in wily, whether that's a problem that should be fixed, or just something I have to put up with :)
[15:19] <gameleon> QUESTION: what is your idea of a pure Ubuntu Phone (without the android bits)? (latest kernel, open hardware... etc)
[15:19] <dholbach> aquarius, is there anything else you'd expect? or do you have a follow-up question?
[15:21] <aquarius> QUESTION: a followup to explain what I was really asking for. If I test my phone app on the desktop (assume that the app doesn't use phone-specific hardware) and that doesn't work because the components aren't in wily, or are in older versions than are on the phone -- is that a bug in the SDK (because it *should* work) or is that just tough (because testing on the desktop is not a target and if it works, it's jus
[15:21] <aquarius> t lucky)?
[15:22] <peter-bittner> WhatsApp could be available via the implementation for FIrefoxOS.
[15:23] <dragonbite> QUESTION: any idea on how many people have purchased the Ubuntu phones and how many are users developing for the phone?
[15:23] <gameleon> QUESTION: will the convergent phone (next bq) be able to run inkscape and other desktop apps?
[15:24] <dholbach> brilliant everyone - keep the questions coming
[15:24] <aquarius> peter-bittner, do whatsapp have an official app on Firefox OS? (There are unofficial apps for Firefox OS and for Ubuntu, but WhatsApp don't like unofficial apps and shut them down all the time.)
[15:25] <peter-bittner> Not official, it's https://github.com/loqui/im
[15:25] <dholbach> ndg, can you clarify what you meant by your question - re "...to double as a big picture..."?
[15:25] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Do the open source applications (Inkscape, Gimp, Pithos, etc.) have to re-vamp their applications to work on the phone (like a responsive design) or will they work with minimal change to the original program? And if it requires reworking the application how open are the projects to doing that?
[15:25] <aquarius> peter-bittner, then it'll likely get shut down by WhatsApp if it gets popular :(
[15:25] <gameleon> QUESTION: what's the minimum limit for paid apps and why it's not 0.99$
[15:26] <peter-bittner> Loqui could run on Ubuntu Touch, but the work on the porting is kind of stalled.
[15:27] <balloons> aquarius, that's a slightly different question about wondering why your app doesn't work on the desktop. I think that's a good point. The question then is perhaps 'if I want to create a device for the phone, is there an 'official' way to run / test / debug it NOT on the phone?
[15:27] <balloons> *device = app, heh
[15:28] <balloons> we'll get to your follow-up question and discuss
[15:28] <aquarius> balloons, yup. I am not worried here about whether I can distribute a desktop app this way (I get that this needs Mir, Unity 8, etc); I just want to test my in-development phone apps on my desktop (not in a phone or emulator), and most of the time that doesn't work. Now, if the rule is: it's not supposed to work, use the emulator... then OK, and I'll shut up about it.
[15:29] <ndg> QUESTION: Big picture mode (like in Steam) is so you can use a TV from a normal TV viewing distance. Would you be able to keep the phone UI layout when plugged in to a TV so you can, for instance, read stuff from the couch?
[15:30] <aquarius> balloons, that would be quite sad, though; we're all one Ubuntu. Other platforms require you to use an emulator because OS X is not iOS. But the Ubuntu on my phone and the Ubuntu on my desktop are the same Ubuntu. So making testing easier for developers is easier for us to do than others; if we're not taking advantage of that, that's depressing :(
[15:30] <peter-bittner> We should get a crowdfunded messaging and communication platform out there. Non-profit. Sounds weird probably for most guys. In the long run, though, there's no choice. Our society needs to be freed from giants like Google, Facebook, etc.   It's not too difficult. Should be a body like Mozilla or Debian, or the Python Software Foundation.
[15:30] <balloons> as an aside aquarius, i always run and debug apps on my desktop and in general haven't had issues. Under wily, I don't think I've found any
[15:31] <gameleon> QUESTION: is now the right time to crowdfund an Ubuntu tablet?
[15:33] <balloons> I suppose anecdotal stories are just that though. I agree we want you running and testing on the desktop, I'm just not sure expecting things to always be 100% is realistic, but we should certainly try
[15:33] <peter-bittner> The long-run alternative to WhatsApp, Hangouts, Facebook Chat: Run your own service, http://rtcquickstart.org/
[15:33] <peter-bittner> Background reading: https://twitter.com/peterbittner/status/646315341795184640
[15:35] <mariogrip> QUESTION: What are the plans for break the endless loop where: "Users needs apps but app Developers need Users" (chicken and the egg problem)
[15:35] <yoanncooljazz> have u informations about a 'probable' convergent device from bq ?
[15:35] <dholbach> please prefix your questions with QUESTION
[15:35] <dholbach> otherwise we won't spot them easily
[15:36] <yoanncooljazz> ok sorry
[15:36] <peter-bittner> @yoanncooljazz I think this has been answered earlier. He can't tell yet.
[15:37] <ubuntu_user> [QUESTION]I'm using ubuntu since march. And I love it. But what's the plans to allow users to change the background?
[15:37] <dholbach> ubuntu_user, on the phone?
[15:37] <yoanncooljazz> i joined later thanks for ur answer Peter
[15:37] <ubuntu_user> Yes, on the phone
[15:38] <tathhu> Backround as in lock screen or scopes etc?
[15:40] <peter-bittner> The Terminal app was mentioned recently for a good number!
[15:40] <dholbach> keep your questions coming
[15:40] <dragonbite> great!
[15:40] <mariogrip> QUESTION: Why did you move the Android hal from CM to AOSP?
[15:41] <peter-bittner> Skype (unofficial) has 1088 unique users as of now. Just looked it up.
[15:41] <dragonbite> thanks!
[15:43] <aquarius> WifiTransfer has about 3000.
[15:43] <ndg> QUESTION: When using a TV as a display, will it always switch to desktop mode automatically or can you choose to use the phone UI on the TV screen so reading distance is increased (on the TV, not the phone screen)?
[15:44] <dragonbite> Hope for a tablet by Christmas season (2016??)  That would be cool!
[15:44] <dholbach> any more questions or feedback for Pat? :)
[15:46] <dragonbite> QUESTION: There has been work on running Android Apps in Ubuntu, how would or would this work with the Ubuntu Phone (and bridge the "app-gap")?
[15:47] <dragonbite> (Android apps to run using  App Runtime for Chrome (ARC) I think..)
[15:47] <dholbach> QUESTION: What's the number one thing where you would like to get people from our Community to get involved?
[15:49] <mariogrip> I'm working on getting a CM tree for ubports devices due to it has a lot better device support.
[15:50] <dholbach> we're almost out of questions - give us more questions and feedback now
[15:51] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Microsoft is working on convergence as well.  Any hope of being able to port to one of their phones so the hardware for convergence is alreayd built-in?
[15:52] <mariogrip> QUESTION: Do we win the convergence race?
[15:52] <mariogrip> _D
[15:52] <mariogrip> :D
[15:52] <tathhu> Windoes phones probably have lokced bootloaders :P
[15:52] <faenil> exactly
[15:52]  * tathhu can't wtirte anymore
[15:52] <tathhu> ...
[15:52] <dragonbite> I know... :(  but it's an idea
[15:52] <pavakpaul> Well, enough talking about Ubuntu phones. Now someone should gift me an Ubuntu phone LOL
[15:53] <dragonbite> I'd love one!  Even if it is slow (USA) connection I'd love it!
[15:54] <peter-bittner> Merge Proposals? -- Is that "Pull Requests" on Launchpad? Is there something like that?
[15:54] <TheFish> QUESTION: Do you know when scopes will be rotateable and when the Nexus 5 will be officially supported?
[15:54] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Any "new" applications in the works, something that the other phones can't do at this time (other than Scopes)?  A possible "killer app"!
[15:55] <faenil> peter-bittner: yep
[15:55] <dholbach> peter-bittner, yep :)
[15:55] <TheFish> Question: Rotateable Scopes on the Nexus 7
[15:55] <peter-bittner> Where?
[15:55] <tathhu> pavakpaul, this :P
[15:55] <tathhu> faenil <3
[15:56] <faenil> :)
[15:56] <clobrano> QUESTION: how's the intense work on the software side going with the efficient use of the hardware? Battery drain is a point where other phones struggle now
[15:56] <dholbach> peter-bittner, hvae a look at http://pad.lv/mps/unity8 for example
[15:56] <peter-bittner> Can anyone show me where Merge Proposals are, e.g. in https://code.launchpad.net/today-scope?
[15:57] <peter-bittner> How do I Fork a repo (like on GitHub) and make a Merge Proposal?
[15:58] <dholbach> bzr branch lp:<project>
[15:58] <peter-bittner> Branching?
[15:58] <peter-bittner> And can I then push on a branch that I created?
[15:59] <dholbach> yep
[15:59] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone - great questions!
[15:59] <dragonbite> !!!! Thank you guys! This has been great, and a lot of fun! !!!!!
[16:00] <mariogrip> :D
[16:00] <faenil> :D
[16:00] <pavakpaul> well if anyone interested gifting me an Ubuntu phone then just search my nickname in google and will get me LOL. A gift will be highly appreciated :p
[16:01] <dragonbite> :)
[16:01] <tathhu> ^ or query me :P
[16:01] <dholbach> peter-bittner, https://dev.launchpad.net/UsingMergeProposals
[16:01] <aquarius> dholbach, balloons: a page somewhere which shows how to branch an LP project, make changes, push to your own branch, and submit an MP would be good. There is http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html but that's all about Ubuntu packages and so it assumes you're building a deb :)
[16:01] <davidcalle> peter-bittner: yes, the usual workflow is bzr branch lp:project;do changes; bzr push lp:~username/project/my-bugfix; then you propose a merge of the latter to the former
[16:01] <pavakpaul> hehe
[16:01] <mariogrip> btw, why is the upcoming "Ubuntu Community Team Q&A" not listed in google calendar?
[16:02] <pavakpaul> anyway, bye guys
[16:02] <dholbach> jose, ^ should we add it to the calendar?
[16:02] <pavakpaul> The QA s are hosted every Tuesday, same time (8:30PM-9:30PM IST)
[16:04] <balloons> aquariusm completely generic or ?
[16:04] <balloons> aquarius, I did something like that for submitting to quality related projects on launchpad. Sort of had to go through the launchpad 101
[16:04] <aquarius> balloons, would be useful to not assume that you need to build a deb of it, perhaps. (That linked page is all "now run debcommit" and so on, which might not apply.)
[16:05] <aquarius> balloons, it feels like there ought to be one link which was a good answer to peter-bittner's question, and there isn't :)
[16:05] <mariogrip> would have been nice to have it on the calendar so new users know when the q&a is.
[16:06] <aquarius> balloons, like, the LP equivalent of https://help.github.com/articles/fork-a-repo/
[16:06] <balloons> aquarius, I wouldn't assume building a deb at all. Submitting an MP has nothing to do with packaging, imho
[16:06] <peter-bittner> This one here talks about placing a proposal by email, scary! :p https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review/#Proposing_a_merge
[16:07] <balloons> I think a 'zero to hero' video showing checking out and proposing an mp, starting without an lp account would be useful
[16:07] <peter-bittner> :-/
[16:07] <aquarius> balloons, I agree completely, which is why I don't think that http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html is a good guide... but there isn't a simple guide for just "bzr branch lp:whatever; make changes; br push lp:~me/whatever/myfix; send MP" :)
[16:07] <balloons> this is what we've done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsUsage
[16:08] <balloons> it also covers bzr and lp and setup: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsSetup
[16:08] <balloons> so, there you are, you wish is already granted
[16:11] <peter-bittner> https://help.launchpad.net/Code is not too bad wither.
[16:11] <peter-bittner> either
[16:13] <peter-bittner> I probably only have the *feeling* that Launchpad is a bit less easy to handle than GitHub. Just because I'm not used to it, maybe? Or should it undergo some facelift soon or later? What do you guys say?
[16:13] <dholbach> maybe both :)
[16:14] <dholbach> it has worked well for me for many years and I'm very happy with what it does
[16:14] <dholbach> and it's open source and has been for ages now :)
[16:14] <aquarius> little of both; LP is a bit older and could do with a facelift, but it also works a bit differently (bzr is not git), and LP does a lot of project management stuff that github does not.
[16:14] <peter-bittner> Is it some fork of Trac?
[16:14] <balloons> right, I think aquarius hits it. LP does more and assumes more.
[16:14] <dholbach> no, it's written from scratch
[16:15] <balloons> Github lets you literally do everything from the website. You could use it entirely from your phone (though I've no idea why you would)
[16:15] <aquarius> I've published new changes to apps from my phone in the pub, multiple times. Github allowing that is immensely useful :)
[16:16] <peter-bittner> Is there a repo of the whole software somewhere? (On LP, probably... *haha*) - So one could try to adjust the CSS in the first place, and place a PR, errm, Merge Proposal.
[16:16] <aquarius> yup; Launchpad is itself hosted on Launchpad.
[16:16] <dholbach> bzr branch lp:launchpad
[16:17] <aquarius> if you're thinking of doing that, it'd be worth dropping into #launchpad and asking about it
[16:17] <peter-bittner> I'm going to check whether bzr is preinstalled on my Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition!  *haha*
[16:17] <dholbach> all rightie... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:17] <peter-bittner> It's NOT!!  :-/
[16:17] <dholbach> sudo apt install bzr
[16:17] <dholbach> done :)
[16:18] <dholbach> see you!
[16:18] <peter-bittner> Sure
[16:18] <peter-bittner> Ciao
[16:55] <Gomsi> Hii there everyone
[16:55] <Gomsi> I am a regular Ubuntu user ans interested in ubutu phone too
[16:56] <Gomsi> just wanted to know if there is any app update for Ubuntu Phone
[16:56] <Gomsi> like whats app
[16:56] <Gomsi> and if i can install ubuntu on windows or Android phone too
[16:56] <aquarius> Gomsi, the Ubuntu On Air session is finished now; you'll be better off asking questions in #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:56] <Gomsi> Oo...
[16:59] <Gomsi> sorry what was the channel name for app questions
[16:59] <aquarius> Gomsi, #ubuntu-app-devel is probably a good place, or #ubuntu-touch