[05:34] <KraToS> hi all
[05:34] <KraToS> i have a question
[05:34] <KraToS> i installed ubuntu in my nexus 4 with toturial : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[05:34] <KraToS> and i want to switch to android to use some applications
[05:34] <KraToS> anybody know how to do that ?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> KraToS: download back your android image and install
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> KraToS: lookup guides from its FOSS, their pretty nice
[05:36] <KraToS> and if i install android again i lost my ubuntu ?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> yes
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> KraToS: or you can use multirom tools to dualboot your nexus
[05:37] <mokmeister> KraToS: Yes, using the method pointed to above you effectively removed android from your nexus 4 and replaced it with ubuntu
[05:38] <KraToS> oh , thanks to your answers :-(
[05:38] <KraToS> lets try to use dualboot
[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05]  * guest42315 sudo snappy install coffee
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:27] <popey> [M#lUSep 22 08:27:45 ubuntu-phablet session-watchdog: 'mediascanner-2.0' (instance '') hit respawn limit - asking logind to reboot
[08:28] <popey> aaaargh
[08:28] <popey> [M#fO/dev/mmcblk0p7                               4.1G  3.1G  731M  82% /home
[08:28] <popey> not thhat
[08:30] <ogra_> popey, did it work since you wiped the db ?
[08:31] <ogra_> (you didnt say anything anymore last night)
[08:31] <popey> moving the db meant it could start normally
[08:31] <popey> i just did the OTA update and it broke again
[08:31] <popey> i have just moved the db again and now it's okay again
[08:32] <ogra_> weird, why does nobody else get it
[08:32] <davmor2> ogra_: popey is special
[08:33] <davmor2> sorry that should be "Special"
[08:33] <guest42315> sure guys, just blame popey
[08:33] <guest42315> :|
[08:33] <ogra_> well, he most likely has some special file :)
[08:34] <guest42315> Telegram Now Seeing 12B Daily Messages, Up from 1B in February
[08:34] <guest42315> we did it?
[08:36] <popey> it's mediascanner crashing, of course its user-specific
[08:37] <popey> people have different data on their phone
[08:37] <ogra_> how dare they !
[08:37] <popey> Yeah, lets just ship U2 on every phone and make ~/Music read only
[08:38] <ogra_> that sounds like a wonderfully new marketing strategy !
[08:38] <guest42315> is joke, right? because i can't stand U2
[08:39] <popey> guest42315: what do you think?
[08:39] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/oct/15/u2-bono-issues-apology-for-apple-itunes-album-download
[08:39] <guest42315> 90% is joke
[08:40] <guest42315> wow
[08:40] <ogra_> well, to be honest Music wouldnt be readonly, the files would only be immutable
[08:41] <popey> this implies it's not disk full that causes the issue
[08:42] <popey> but just media-scanner having a problem
[08:42] <popey> because the disk isn't full and it's still crapping out
[08:43] <ogra_> yeah
[08:43] <davmor2> popey: that or it hates you, try hating it back it works for me ;)
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Business Women’s Day! 😃
[09:29] <om26er> barry, Hi! how do I restart image upgrader ?
[09:30] <om26er> I am writing an automated test, I want to fake a system upgrade by editing /etc/system-image/channel.ini, I don't want to reboot the device to notice any updates
[09:32] <davmor2> om26er: there is a test for it in sanity that lists all the steps
[09:33] <davmor2> om26er: you need to rm .local/share/ubuntu-push-client/level.db
[09:33] <om26er> davmor2, I assume this https://prod.practitest.com/p/1548/tests/423422/edit
[09:33] <om26er> davmor2, it invloved rebooting the device, is that not needed ?
[09:34] <davmor2> om26er: you need to reboot the device as far as I am aware
[09:34] <om26er> davmor2, hmm, I am looking for a way to avoid that, I assume I need to restart some service or something
[09:34] <davmor2> om26er: you might be able to get away with just restarting ubuntu-push-client instead
[09:35] <davmor2> Chipaca: ^ I assume that would be possible right?
[09:44] <jgdx> abeato, good day, what's the status of bug 1490991? Fix committed, but no branch linked.
[09:44] <Chipaca> davmor2: yes, that should do it
[09:45] <davmor2> Chipaca: thanks dude
[09:45] <abeato> jgdx, the branch is in github, will be released in the next ofono version
[09:52] <jgdx> abeato, okay. Thanks
[09:52] <abeato> np
[12:07] <bregma> hey all, I have a mako that I flashed recently and now it won't boot: it does not get past the 'Google' screen and adb does not see it except in 'recovery' mode
[12:07] <bregma> trying to reflash does not work, even with --botstrap, because the device is not seen even in fastboot mode
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> bregma: wich channel did you install?
[12:09] <bregma> lotuspsychje, in this case I installed ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd but it's not clear to me why that would munge doing a --bootstrap from fastboot mode
[12:09] <bregma> I would understand if the UI doesn't, but I should still see the device from adb, I would think
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich channel is reccomended for mako, ask popey or ogra_
[12:10] <bregma> anyone know if there is an effective way to force a reflash?  One of the 'restore factoy settings' selections or something?
[12:19] <guest42315> JamesTait, wohoo! managed to review Monster Wars! THANKS :P
[12:27] <ogra_> bregma, ubuntu-pd ???
[12:27] <popey> bregma: I'd suspect the usb cable of being duff
[12:27] <ogra_> i doubt thats even remotely ready for use yet
[12:28] <bregma> ogra_, yes, ubuntu-pd
[12:28] <ogra_> ask sil2100 though ...
[12:28] <bregma> evidenly I can still flash from recovery mode, so I think I'm OK
[12:29] <ogra_> yeah
[12:29] <sil2100> I didn't test the new image from ubuntu-pd as I don't have any compatible device here
[12:29] <sil2100> So I don't know if my newly created images work in any way
[12:29] <bregma> sil2100, I do, so I'm doing it
[12:29] <sil2100> bregma: thanks :)
[12:29] <ogra_> well, do we know if mako wily images work in general ?
[12:29] <ogra_> or is -pd built off vivid ?
[12:29] <sil2100> Vivid
[12:30] <sil2100> From the overlay
[12:30] <ogra_> ah
[12:30] <bregma> I'm just not sure if it's not booting because of something I've done or the image, but as long as I can reflash I'm good
[12:30] <jibel> ogra_, devel-proposed/ubuntu works (but most of the scopes are blank since they have not been recompiled against gcc5)
[12:30] <ogra_> jibel, right, but it boots
[12:30] <ogra_> thats the point
[12:30] <bregma> oh, gcc5, wherefore art thou?
[12:31] <jibel> ogra_, yes it boots, UI comes up, networking is up, ...
[12:31] <ogra_> yeah
[12:31] <ogra_> well, anyway, -pd is built off vivid
[12:31] <bregma> real med have no need of a stinkin' UI on their phones
[12:32] <ogra_> yeah, they run multiple tomcat servers instead :P
[12:32] <bregma> we need a tilt-based dialler that does pulse
[12:33] <sil2100> hmmm
[12:35] <sil2100> Things look fine from the build logs
[12:35] <ogra_> sil2100, is -pd supposed to be touch with just some added packages ? or does it have bigger changes (like i.e. something that could override the touch specific lightdm setup etc)
[12:36] <sil2100> No, just touch + additional packages
[12:36] <sil2100> No other changes
[12:37] <ogra_> then it should behave identical to touch
[12:52] <sil2100> bregma: still not working? I can't see anything that could be wrong, I'll try looking into system-image code regarding what's wrong but I doubt we're doing anything funny there
[12:52] <bregma> my host system seems to have hung part way through pushing the files, I'm trying to figure out what's going on there
[12:55] <bregma> huzzah, reflashing......
[13:06] <bregma> nope, no joy, I always get "device descriptor read/64, error -71" errors in dmesg when the phone comes up in anything but recovery mode (71 is EPROTO)  -- I'll try reflashing to a stable mako image and see what happens
[13:06] <ogra_> well, try a rc-proposed image instead
[13:07] <ogra_> if that boots you know -pd should too
[13:10] <Paddy_NI> Is this the correct place to be to discuss Ubuntu Phone development?
[13:11] <justCarakas> Paddy_NI: yes
[13:12] <sil2100> Not sure if there's something else I should configure to get ubuntu-pd working
[13:12] <sil2100> bregma: you're flashing on mako, right? Or on flo?
[13:12] <sil2100> Maybe there's not enough disk space for the new stuff?
[13:13] <bregma> sil2100, mako, and I purged /cache from recovery mode
[13:13] <bregma> I'll reflash with a stable image to make sure there isn't a problem in my infrastructure
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> I was wondering if there exists any sort of simple guide for creating Scopes or converting web sites into webapps for non-programmers?
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> I could have sworn that Popey made a short video on the topic
[13:15] <popey> #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> It's possible I am mistaked
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> *mistaken
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> popey, :-)
[13:15] <popey> ^ for app development
[13:16] <popey> this channel for phone platform development itself
[13:16] <Paddy_NI> Cool popey thanks very much
[13:16] <popey> i made a blog post
[13:16] <Paddy_NI> Oh
[13:16] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2015/07/28/easily-port-mobile-html5-games-to-ubuntu-phone/
[13:16] <Paddy_NI> You beautiful man
[13:16] <popey> dunno about scopes videos, davidcalle may know
[13:16] <popey> you're welcome
[13:16] <JamesTait> guest42315, you're welcome!
[13:17] <Paddy_NI> Oh and thank you for the Ubuntu Podcast, I always eagerly await the next show popey
[13:17] <davidcalle> Paddy_NI, hello
[13:17] <Paddy_NI> davidcalle, Hi
[13:17] <davidcalle> Paddy_NI, for websites into webapps, have a look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/webapp-generator/
[13:18] <davidcalle> Paddy_NI, oh wait, sorry, I meant http://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/webapp-generator/ (the first link has currently a bug)
[13:19] <Paddy_NI> davidcalle, Thank you :-)
[14:07] <bregma> sil2100, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu installs boots and runs OK, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd hangs during boot, so it looks like the -pd image is the problem
[14:12] <sil2100> bregma: interesting!
[14:12] <sil2100> bregma: do you have a flo as well?
[14:13] <bregma> sil2100, no, only a mako
[14:13] <sil2100> I would like to see if it's something wrong with mako or in overall
[14:14] <sil2100> hmmmm
[14:18] <popey> sil2100: i have a flo I can install that on, bregma exactly what did you type to flash your mako and have problems with -pd? I'll repeat here
[14:18] <mandel> bfiller, I'm on that silo, sorry, there were some issues with the compilation of the unity-scope
[14:19] <sil2100> popey: could you try the latest image from the ubuntu-pd channel?
[14:19] <bregma> popey, ubuntu-device-flash --verbose touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd
[14:19] <popey> ok, will wipe too
[14:20] <popey> as this has all kinds of nonsense on
[14:20] <bregma> but ubuntu-device-flash --verbose touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu worked
[14:20] <bregma> (just no -pd)
[14:20] <popey> flashing...
[14:26] <bfiller> mandel: thanks, yes the tests are failing, due to changed api?
[14:26] <mandel> bfiller, correct, fixing that
[14:27] <bfiller> mandel: sounds good, when will we have a silo for the other changes we need for browser downloads?
[14:27] <mandel> bfiller, tonigh, once this ** is fixed
[14:30] <popey> bah, bregma sil2100 No space left on device
[14:31] <sil2100> Ouch
[14:31] <bregma> popey, when do you get that error?  Maybe I missed it?
[14:31] <sil2100> I tought flo had more space?
[14:31] <popey> [M#[S/dev/mmcblk0p30   12G  3.5G  8.0G  31% /userdata
[14:31] <ogra_> funny, given the rootfs tarball is only like 10-20MB bigger for -pd
[14:31] <popey> oh, where does it go?
[14:32] <ogra_> popey, cache
[14:32] <popey> [M#]Q/dev/disk/by-partlabel/cache  552M  362M  191M  66% /android/cache
[14:32] <ogra_> did you get the error from u-d-f ?
[14:32] <popey> yes
[14:33] <ogra_> might be it cleans up after the error
[14:33] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12521426/  is the full output
[14:33] <ogra_> (not sure though)
[14:33] <popey> dunno
[14:34] <ogra_> clean up /android/cache/recovery and try again
[14:34] <ogra_> probably there were some leftover fragments from before or so
[14:34] <popey> syeah, that file is 292MB
[14:34] <popey> and there's only 191 free
[14:34] <popey> okay
[14:35] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12521441/  what's this nonsense?
[14:39] <ogra_> a magical 256MB size limit for files in adb ?
[14:40] <popey> that file is 55M
[14:40]  * popey reboots device for lulz
[14:41] <popey> nope, fails again.
[14:41]  * popey reboots to recovery
[14:41] <popey> better
[14:49] <sil2100> popey: and how is it?
[14:50] <sil2100> popey: does it boot?
[14:50] <ogra_> does steam run yet ?
[14:50] <ogra_> :P
[14:52] <popey> google logo for a long while
[14:53] <popey> I think this is broken.
[14:54] <bregma> does dmesg on the host show a protocol failure (ie. no USB response withing timeout)?
[14:54] <sil2100> Ok, then it means something indeed needs some more work, not sure yet what needs fixing
[14:55] <bregma> device descriptor read/64, error -71
[14:56] <ogra_> yeah, someone needs to debug :)
[14:57] <sil2100> Crap that I have my mako at my parent's place
[14:57] <sil2100> Would be good if someone could somehow see where it dies
[14:57] <popey> no, it disappeared off the usb bus and never came back
[14:57] <popey> see where what dies?
[14:57] <sil2100> s/dies/hangs
[14:58] <popey> how, i cant get into it
[14:58] <popey> in recovery?
[14:59] <sil2100> Not sure, I don't know much about those parts yet
[14:59] <popey> no files in /cache/recovery
[14:59] <sil2100> ogra_: how did you usually debug the boot process of the phone?
[15:00] <ogra_> mount userdata (or under mako it is /data) and look at syslog
[15:00]  * sil2100 liked the good old devices with a serial console
[15:00] <ogra_> from recovery
[15:00] <popey> ogra_: is there a special incantation to mount it?
[15:00] <ogra_> also /proc/last_kmesg might have something
[15:00] <ogra_> just mount /data ?
[15:00] <ogra_> it should be in the fstab of the recovery img
[15:01] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12521630/ is proc/last_kmesg
[15:01] <bregma> can I has a soldering iron?
[15:02] <ogra_> popey, that looks actually ok
[15:02] <popey> mounted data
[15:02] <popey> there's a big image file in it
[15:02] <popey> two in fact
[15:03] <sil2100> Looks goodish
[15:03] <popey> [M#jS-rw-------    2 root     root        2.0G Sep 22 14:45 system.img
[15:03] <popey> -rw-------    2 root     root        2.0G Sep 22 14:45 ubuntu.img
[15:04] <ogra_> popey, ah, loop mount the ubuntu.img
[15:05] <popey> k
[15:05] <ogra_> i think one is a hardlink to the other, they should be the same file
[15:05] <popey> in system-data there's stuff, is that not it?
[15:06] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12521654/ thats the syslog from in there
[15:09] <popey> ogra_: ^
[15:09] <ogra_> Sep 22 14:45:51 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [    7.081756] init: lxc-android-boot main process (774) terminated with status 1
[15:09] <ogra_> Sep 22 14:45:51 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [    7.294067] init: lxc-android-config main process (813) terminated with status 255
[15:10] <ogra_> container broken or some such
[15:10] <popey> oh
[15:10] <popey> yay
[15:12] <ogra_> popey, check if there is a log for lxc-android-config in /var/log/upstart
[15:12] <ogra_> perhaps that has some hints
[15:12] <ogra_> else someone needs to set up a system where adbd starts on startup (and doesnt check the screen lock) and manually debug the container start
[15:16] <popey> there's some delightful messages in there
[15:16] <popey> /data/system-data/var/log/upstart # cat bluetooth-touch.log
[15:16] <popey> /proc/self/fd/9: 4: [: !=: unexpected operator
[15:16] <popey> /data/system-data/var/log/upstart # cat lxc-android-boot.log
[15:16] <popey> mount: can't find /data in /etc/fstab
[15:20] <sil2100> ogra_, popey, bregma: kgunn suspects it might be the xmir packages interfering somehow
[15:20] <sil2100> His team will help out with identifying the issue
[15:21] <sil2100> I also suspect that installation of one of those two packages somehow changes the boot process
[15:21] <sil2100> uh
[15:21] <bregma> sil2100, if we just remove XMir and respin, that would point to that as the cause of the trouble
[15:22] <ogra_> bregma, sil2100, well, from popey's  logs it is pretty clear the container doesnt start for some reason
[15:23] <sil2100> Ouch
[15:23] <ogra_> that should be before any XMir comes into play
[15:23] <Guest33107> Hello
[15:23] <bregma> I would think, but if XMir pulls in Mesa and replaces some ANdroid stuff......
[15:23] <ogra_> popey, heh, hunt down morphis for that BT error ... thats definitely a shell scripting error
[15:24] <davmor2> E:TOO_MANY_OGRAS
[15:24] <awe_> ogra_, he's out today...
[15:24] <ogra_> bregma, ah ... that might indeed cause some issues
[15:24] <ogra_> awe_, yep
[15:24] <davmor2> ogra_: morphis is ill
[15:24] <awe_> abeato, https://github.com/rilmodem/ofono/pull/208
[15:24] <awe_> just some misc fixes to call-forwarding scripts
[15:24] <abeato> awe_, great, I'll take a look
[15:25] <awe_> will follow up with some wiki cleanup of the cf test plan too
[15:25] <abeato> ok
[15:25] <davmor2> ogra2: are you ogra_ 's evil twin
[15:25] <awe_> and he drives a hot-rodded Porsche 928, with a big spoiler, and loud exhaust
[15:25] <sil2100> ogra_: the only additional mesa package I see is libgl1-mesa-glx
[15:25] <sil2100> bregma: ^
[15:27] <ogra_> sil2100, UGH !!
[15:27] <sil2100> ;)
[15:27] <ogra_> libgl1-mesa-glx is for x86 systems only :)
[15:27] <ogra_> at least i dont know any arm HW that could use it
[15:27] <sil2100> tsk tsk tsk...
[15:28] <davmor2> awe_: he's German that's the norm, The evil ones driver Ferraris
[15:28] <ogra_> davmor2, only two and one is a test :P
[15:28] <bregma> I believe there are fixes to XMir in the works that fix that dependency, but would it create a package conflict that forces the removal of required Android components?
[15:28] <sil2100> ogra_, bregma: it's a dependency of xmir...
[15:28] <sil2100> I wonder
[15:29] <ogra_> bregma, not sure it would remove anything but it might set an alternative in /etc/alternatives we do not want
[15:29] <bregma> mmm
[15:31] <bregma> maybe, but I'm not convinced that would stop USB from working
[15:31] <ogra_> USB ? no
[15:32] <ogra_> USB itself should work fine ... but adb wont ...
[15:32] <ogra_> the adbd is set to check for the screen lock state which means we can only start it after the UI is up
[15:32] <ogra_> no UI ... no adb
[15:32] <bregma> ew
[15:33] <ogra_> and also your container doesnt start at all ... the android init scripts actually configure USB for the gadget mode
[15:33] <popey> on my krillin I have /etc/alternatives/arm-linux-gnueabihf_egl_conf and on my broken flo I have /etc/alternatives/arm-linux-gnueabihf_egl_conf and /etc/alternatives/arm-linux-gnueabihf_gl_conf
[15:33] <bregma> right, because I see errors on the host in which it is trying to nego the OTA and failing because the device is not responding
[15:34] <popey> the latter points to /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa/ld.so.conf
[15:34] <bregma> so it sounds like that's what the problem is
[15:34] <ogra_> popey, right, that would prevent Mir from starting
[15:34] <ogra_> but it still doesnt explain why the container cant start
[15:34] <popey> on flo /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa/ld.so.conf points to /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mesa
[15:34] <ogra_> there is something else
[15:35] <bregma> popey, if you manually change /etc/alternatives/blahblah to point to /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libhybris-egl/ld.so.conf and reboot, does it all just work?
[15:35] <popey> its readonly
[15:36] <bregma> well, remont it -o rw?
[15:36] <popey> uhhhh
[15:36] <bregma> I dunno, I'm new to this
[15:36] <popey> I'm in recovery, not sure this is a path I wanna go down.
[15:36] <bregma> I'm always scared by statements that begin with "I'm in recovery"
[15:37] <tathhu> :D
[15:38] <bregma> so /etc/alteratives/arm-linux-gnueabihf_egl_conf should point to /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libhybris-egl/ld.so.conf on a healthy mako
[15:38] <bregma> I shall reflash to -pd and see if I can hack, I can always reflash completely later, right?
[15:38] <bregma> right?
[15:58] <Dragos> ubuntu touch for s4 active?
[15:58] <popey> !devices | Dragos
[15:59] <Dragos> oh...
[15:59] <Dragos> thanks for the support
[16:05] <sil2100> bregma: no one answered since no one wants to be responsible for your broken mako ;D
[16:06] <Dragos> hi
[16:12] <popey> Dragos: hi
[16:12] <Dragos> how r u
[16:18] <tathhu> Hmm, should I have landscaped lock screen on my nexus 7? (running rc iirc)
[16:21] <popey> Tassadar: n7 is landscape by default
[16:22] <Tassadar> ..okay?
[16:24] <tathhu> ... nope
[16:24] <tathhu> I was sure it should be
[16:24] <tathhu> lol
[16:25] <yakaar> hello everybody, I have a big problem on my BQ aquaris E4.5 : it freeze and I cannot do anything, but it receive textos and the batery icone is changing when I put the cable on the mobile. It's discoverable by my ubuntu desktop, but it's not possible to take control of it with terminal.
[16:26] <Tassadar> oh, that's a question. It was missing some syntactic sugar for that
[16:26] <Tassadar> no, the screen is built in in "portrait" mode
[16:29] <Guest18418> yakaar, we are working on fixes for that, we believe we are leaking file descriptors
[16:30] <yakaar> ok do you know anyway to restart my mobile, because it's ennoying when you cannot do anything and the mobile has no batery to pull out...
[16:31] <tathhu> Press power for n (ten maybe) seconds?
[16:31] <tathhu> Or until it does something :P
[16:31] <yakaar> I already try it
[16:32] <yakaar> oh it finish to work
[16:33] <pmgowan> long press power should always do it
[16:34] <davmor2> yakaar: press it and keep it pressed it's about 20 seconds
[16:34] <davmor2> yakaar: it's a much longer time than you expect
[16:45] <yakaar> Thanks a lot, it worked !!
[16:46] <pmgowan> yakaar, some fixes will ship soon, sorry for that one
[16:46] <pmgowan> peridodically restarting the phone should help until then
[16:47] <davmor2> yakaar: 3-7 days depending on usage
[17:04] <Dragos> ho
[17:04] <Dragos> hi
[17:05] <Gomsi> hi everyone!!
[17:05] <Gomsi> is this group active??
[17:05] <Gomsi> or i am late
[17:06] <Thaurwylth> People occasionally talk here, yes. And you can of course confirm this by the Ubuntu Freenode logs.
[17:07] <ali1234> it's more active during the europe daytime
[17:07] <Gomsi> ok.. well I had some questions regaurding Ubuntu Phone..
[17:08] <Gomsi> Will it have any app updates like Whats app or anything like that
[17:08] <Gomsi> there are many things to be added to it yet
[17:10] <ali1234> there's no way to really know that
[17:12] <dobey> whether whatsapp will be available in the future or not, is a question for whatsapp. it's a proprietary application. we can't answer that for them
[17:19] <Thaurwylth> That question sort of brings us by way to what I had in mind. In case I root Android and, well, hum, I understood earlier by way of talk on this channel that it can be done in this way, let's say I leave only minimal Android functionality there and install Ubuntu Touch, does Touch have an Android environment similar to BlueStacks on Windows?
[17:20] <Thaurwylth> And in case no, is it then possible to have both original Android and Ubuntu Touch functional on the same device? Let's assume enough resources, disk space, and such can be provided.
[17:23] <jgdx> Thaurwylth, what device?
[17:24] <Thaurwylth> That is yet to be decided, hehe. Any mainstream enough fast enough Android tablet.
[18:15] <morfin> hello
[18:15] <morfin> how stable Ubuntu Touch is right now?
[18:17] <morfin> and what about applications for it?
[18:19] <Inoki> morfin: truthfully, it freezes a lot and not many apps available. I'm waiting for it to improve with the next OTA. If it doesn't happen I'm going back to Android.
[18:19] <morfin> oh =(
[18:20] <morfin> i am thinking about changing something because my current OS suck
[18:20] <Inoki> morfin: what's your current OS?
[18:20] <morfin> it's not just freezing but also rebooting, crashing desktop
[18:20] <morfin> Android(from Huawei)
[18:20] <Inoki> morfin: try Cyanogenmod
[18:20] <morfin> 4.0.4 =(
[18:21] <morfin> Android itself maybe not bad
[18:21] <morfin> but all that propietary buggy shit
[18:21] <morfin> it kills everything
[18:21] <Inoki> Stock Android is horrible, Cyanogen made it more usable. Ubuntu wouldn't be bad if it wasn't released prematurely.
[18:22] <morfin> maybe if my phone will die i buy new with Ubuntu already)
[18:23] <morfin> i hope it would not happen in at least 1-2 years
[18:24] <morfin> Inoki, wait what
[18:25] <morfin> Cyanogen is rooted(default root) oO
[18:25] <Inoki> Yep. You have full control over your system. But that's not to be discussed in this channel. If you need info on that you should look for a CM channel.
[18:26] <Gomsi> if i am not wrong android is also built on Linux platform
[18:26] <morfin> interesting question about Ubuntu Phone
[18:26] <morfin> will it use goddamn systemd too?
[18:26] <Gomsi> and soon windows will also be using the free code to develop next version of windows
[18:27] <morfin> or using
[18:27] <tathhu> morfin, which huawei? if it got kirin.. no luck. check xda. :P // no moar ot
[18:27] <morfin> 9508
[18:28] <morfin> not sure of course how systemd monster will fit into Phone/Tablet OS
[18:28] <tathhu> Lol
[18:28] <tathhu> No problems with it on sailfish
[18:40] <dobey> Thaurwylth: you can use MultiROM to dual boot on devices that are supported by both MultiROM and Ubuntu
[19:04] <Thaurwylth> Is that also a no to the Android emulator for Ubuntu Touch question?
[19:11] <dobey> Thaurwylth: i don't understand that question. ubuntu doesn't run android apps on the phone, no.
[19:17] <Thaurwylth> Why is it possible for BlueStacks to exist for Windows, I guess it has something to do with it being proprietary?
[19:25] <morfin> nevermind, chineese shit is not rewritable
[19:28] <tathhu> morfin, :P
[19:32] <morfin> i think only models with prices 300+ euro allows that
[19:46] <tathhu> "Thank you for buying from bq. Here you will find your order confirmation."
[19:48] <morfin> what is that bq phones btw
[19:48] <morfin> never heard about that
[19:59] <morfin> i will get SD card and try again later =)
[21:23] <arinkverma> Hey! Is it possible to install ubuntu-touch kernel over my running ubuntu desktop?
[21:48] <genii> arinkverma: Does your desktop have an ARM cpu?
[21:53] <arinkverma> genii: Nope! I am talking about x86.
[21:53] <genii> The short answer is No
[21:57] <Thaurwylth> Newbie question. Is it so that all Android devices run on ARM type hardware?
[22:00] <dobey> arinkverma: why would you want to install an old android kernel on your PC?
[22:00] <dobey> Thaurwylth: no, there are some x86 android devices now too
[22:00] <Thaurwylth> Wohoah!
[22:01] <Thaurwylth> Does the kernel and Ubuntu desktop, Lubuntu, or Xubuntu support ARM hardware then?
[22:02] <dobey> ubuntu has had arm builds for a very long time
[22:02] <Thaurwylth> Wohoah^2!
[22:03] <arinkverma> dobey: i want to run android apk on my pc.  Without any emulation
[22:03] <dobey> that said, plenty of apps are quite dependent on x86, especially proprietary ones
[22:03] <dobey> arinkverma: you don't need a kernel for that
[22:03] <Thaurwylth> I guess I've said this before but I'm pondering getting either W10 or Android tablet for Ubuntu use purposes. What I've heard about Touch here today is not really promising. Perhaps I need to fall back on one of my plans, installing desktop version therein.
[22:03] <arinkverma> How can i do it then?
[22:03] <dobey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhfRaWwu5mI
[22:04] <dobey> it's off topic for this channel, but you can use the android runtime for chrome
[22:04] <dobey> aka ARC
[22:04] <Thaurwylth> Well, this is not really an Ubuntu, Linux, or Ubuntu Touch answer, but wouldn't BlueStacks on Windows allow Android APK on desktop?
[22:04] <arinkverma> Is it something like standalone emulator?
[22:05] <dobey> i have no idea what bluestacks is, and this isn't #windows :)
[22:05] <dobey> arinkverma: ask google
[22:05] <Thaurwylth> Actually - perhaps an interesting question - would BlueStacks run on Wine or such? THAT is Ubuntu and Linux relevant!
[22:05] <dobey> it's still not on topic for this channel though
[22:06] <Thaurwylth> Yeah, that's true, I admit.
[22:06] <Thaurwylth> Another newbie question. Is there Wine or mobile W10 application emulator for Touch?
[22:07] <dobey> no
[22:07] <Thaurwylth> Ah, shame. I was hopeful, since there is a desktop Windows emulator, and then on desktop Windows there is a mobile runtime environment.
[22:08] <dobey> wine is not an emulator
[22:08] <Thaurwylth> Whatever, that's jargon stuff!!1!
[22:09] <Thaurwylth> The most important thing is that I need to be able to run Instagram and Tinder and then I'm pretty much done, tee hee.
[22:09] <dobey> tell them to support ubuntu with their applications then
[22:13] <stakewinner00> Today i was listening music, and when I received a call and the phone got freezed. There is some list of known bugs for ubuntu-phone?
[22:16] <arinkverma> dobey: thanks! I will try to seek help from someone more resourceful then.
[22:21] <dobey> stakewinner00: there's the list of bugs in launchpad reported against the various packages and projects that make up the phone. i don't think there's a single list view that only shows ones from that which are relevant to specific phone models or images, though
[22:21] <stakewinner00> ok, thanks.
[22:59] <zyrox> Is the Meizu MX4 really out of stock? Anyone know if there is other sellers?
[23:01] <mcphail> zyrox: Looks like it. DOn't hink there are other official sellers in the EU
[23:04] <zyrox> mcphail, okay, thanks. I guess I'll have to wait
[23:04] <atk33> zyrox, do you know if is possible to flash ubuntu touch on the yunos mx4?
[23:05] <zyrox> atk33, nope, never tried that
[23:05] <atk33> alright, thanks