[00:04] <daftykins> hmm guy in Manchester is PM'ing me with a job offer after #ubuntu issues, haha
[00:04] <daftykins> he might pop in and extend a job offer
[00:04] <daftykins> i said i'm more of a hobbyist so he needs to ask the real people ;)
[00:05] <diddledan> hah
[00:38] <zmoylan-pi> mention that if he needs os/2 support you're his man :-D
[00:38] <daftykins> i've never even seen that one XD
[00:39] <zmoylan-pi> i knew os/2 was doomed when a guy in ibm started calling me... :-)
[00:39] <daftykins> i sense these were not social calls!
[00:40] <shauno> they named it 'half an OS'.  that wasn't clue enough?
[00:40] <zmoylan-pi> no... how to make modems work faster which was a specialty of mine
[00:40] <daftykins> wax!
[00:40] <daftykins> :D
[00:40] <daftykins> </Weird Al>
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> how to ensure that the serial port wasn't hampered by uart8250 chip.  ie rip that serial card out or disable it and replace with proper uart 16450
[00:45] <zmoylan-pi> so apple may be planning electric car... when their phones struggle to make it through 1 day... :-)
[00:46] <diddledan> hah
[00:46] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> and for the love of jobs don't plug your iphone in or it's range drops by half? :-)
[00:46] <daftykins> but you don't drive overnight! ;)
[00:47] <daftykins> just don't install any apps on your car that were compiled with a dodgy xcode
[00:47] <daftykins> they might drive you off a cli... oh no wait that's the apple maps
[00:48] <zmoylan-pi> and a new eula every 2-3 months...
[00:48] <daftykins> speaking of which i mugged the clients iPad (one of them) with iOS 9 today
[00:48] <daftykins> decided i'd back up beforehand ;)
[00:49] <zmoylan-pi> what's needed is a c64 emulator that won't quit and pretend that's the upgrade :-D
[00:50] <daftykins> funny part is it sits between the seat cushion and the armrest of a sofa about 3m from his office PC, so presumably he can appear to not be working, but still look at work email
[00:50] <daftykins> an addict!
[00:50] <diddledan> what a good electric car needs is a fart app
[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> i will be gaming on the weekend with d&d, we all have tablets, ipads and android yet none of us uses them for holding the pdfs as reading pdfs on a tablet sucks
[00:52] <shauno> what really is it about apple that turns you into drooling idiots?
[00:52] <zmoylan-pi> ford toyed with the idea of downloadable horn noises a few years back... lawyers looked forward to the day when some eejit would beep their horn, it would sound like pew pew pew noises and some sucker wouldn't realise to get out of the way and get creamed...
[00:54] <zmoylan-pi> shauno it's more the apple worship we like to make fun of
[00:55] <shauno> well, I'm over it.  it just makes you look like an idiot
[00:55] <zmoylan-pi> that's your choice, a lot of us enjoy it :-)
[00:56] <shauno> I'm sitting here with a ubuntu-server box that can reboot 2 out of 3 attempts.  1 in 3 it just hangs
[00:56] <shauno> and you're just .. what.
[00:56] <shauno> sour someone managed to make a unix that actually works?
[00:56] <zmoylan-pi> of course it's also funnt when the slashdot called the ipod less space than a nomad and no wifi, lame so it works both ways... :-)
[00:56] <daftykins> d'aww c'mon shauno
[00:57] <daftykins> aww
[00:57] <zmoylan-pi> i would have recommended checking hardware first but he's gone...
[00:57] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: now you've done it!
[00:59] <zmoylan-pi> then trying to boot live distro 3 times in a row to check the installed distro
[00:59] <zmoylan-pi> i really really hate looking for intermittent bugs
[00:59] <zmoylan-pi> they always seemed to end up on my desk
[01:00] <daftykins> i'd kinda fallen under the impression you were retired and just hung out on here permanently :)
[01:01] <zmoylan-pi> out of work after ill health.  still wonky from hip replacement and insomnia... so close
[01:01] <daftykins> ah i see - hip jobs painful?
[01:01] <zmoylan-pi> but i still get calls can you have a look at...
[01:02] <zmoylan-pi> the pain now is insignificant compared with before hip replacement but still iffy.  mostly the sleep disturbance now.  can only sleep 4 hours at a time
[01:03] <daftykins> ouch!
[01:04] <zmoylan-pi> you sit on your hip, you walk on your hip, you stand on your hip and even when you sleep you put weight on your hip.  when it's bad it bad.
[01:05] <zmoylan-pi> painkillers can take the edge off but you end up taking more and more as you use the hip when it hurts so you aim to use zero which limits you
[01:05] <zmoylan-pi> so i can go a fair distance now but amn't much use at the end of it
[01:06] <zmoylan-pi> or go no distance get a small amount of work done and no exercise which is bad too
[01:07] <zmoylan-pi> when it was at it's worst i got sleep in 2 hour chunks for about a year...
[01:08] <zmoylan-pi> sorry, rambling....
[01:08] <zmoylan-pi> meanwhilest...
[01:08] <daftykins> i'm reading :)
[01:08] <daftykins> just snacking also :D
[01:08] <daftykins> you get any physio to do? i should've done more when i broke my shoulder
[01:08] <daftykins> i landed on it in Wales on my downhill MTB trip :)
[01:11] <zmoylan-pi> oh, i got a lot of exercises to do and i do them.  the joint is fairly limber though i do still struggle to reach my foot.  also it hurts when full weight is placed on it so i use a cane
[01:12] <zmoylan-pi> but still fairly lucky as when i was in for arthritis checks i saw a teenager in wheelchair with joints of an 90yo so it could have been much worse
[01:13] <daftykins> :S
[01:13] <daftykins> yours was cartilage (sp) loss then, no accident or such?
[01:14] <zmoylan-pi> they have no idea what caused my trouble.  possibly an undiagnosed medical condition so might just happen at random to another joint at any time.
[01:14] <zmoylan-pi> ireland is a bugger though for arthritis as the damp and cold will cause it if you live here long enough
[01:17] <daftykins> hmm, is the average weather really that much worse than the UK? i can imagine it on the west coast, being exposed and that, but i have no idea
[01:18] <diddledan> yeah, ireland is where the weather dumps all it's poo to keep the mainland nice and sane
[01:18] <diddledan> it's all organised between the monarchy and god
[01:18] <zmoylan-pi> i'm beginning to think it's more the variability and quick changes that causes it more than the cold or damp as places get far more of both than ireland.  irish weather changes fast
[01:19] <zmoylan-pi> so you go from warm and dry to wet and cold in a few minutes and the joints don't like it
[01:19] <diddledan> as I said: long-standing agreements between the royals and god
[01:20] <zmoylan-pi> well the celts told alexander the great they only feared the sky falling on their heads so they came to ireland :-)
[01:20] <diddledan> it's the same reason britain doesn't have any volcanoes or serious earthquakes or huge tornadoes etc.
[01:21] <zmoylan-pi> we do have hurricanes... just rarer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Big_Wind
[01:22] <diddledan> no that wasn't the big wind, that was the large gust
[01:22] <daftykins> ah i guess it's that rapid expansion and contraction like what does weathering on rocks :>
[01:23] <daftykins> or is that :<
[01:23] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK21WTlXOSI
[01:48] <daftykins> definitely wintery feeling now, the cat is gravitating toward my lap far more often
[01:53] <zmoylan-pi> cats know a comfy snoozing spot when they see one
[02:00] <daftykins> she kept coming down to check whether it was free, going back up to the bedroom when it wasn't :)
[02:04] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, i did not know such a thing as flint javelin head existed... http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ancient-burial-site-discovered-in-kerry-697015.html
[05:47] <diddledan> if you ask me, bollards are idiotic.. damned silly cones!
[06:39] <diddledan> thinky it nearly time for morning coffee :-)
[07:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:22] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:24] <bashrc_> g'day world
[08:24] <knightwise> hey bashrc_
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:43] <davmor2> mack the knife stuck in my head this morning, but what a classic to have stuck :)
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> any particular version?
[08:47] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I love the rat packs version, Frank Sinatras in general, but the one I went for was Robbie Williams version from Swing when you're winning
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> just that some songs have so many variants that sound quite different...
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Business Women’s Day! 😃
[09:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwDMFOLIHxU
[09:01] <JamesTait> Niiiine tooo fiiiive, what a way to make livin'!
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> i like that movie... great theme tune
[09:08] <davmor2> the next video reminded me that Miley Cyrus Can actually sing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw
[09:08] <davmor2> and apparently wear clothes
[10:08] <leecowdrey_> and back again grrr - i'm no stinkin bot
[10:09] <davmor2> hello
[10:09] <leecowdrey_> ello
[11:39] <BillyTi> hi all
[11:39] <BillyTi> can anybody help me install kolab ... ?
[11:39] <BillyTi> i have some errors installing kolab ob ubuntu 14.04 - i make apt-get install kolab and get this error: saslpasswd2: user not found dpkg:
[11:41] <popey> where did you get kolab from?
[11:42] <BillyTi> i followed the guide on kolab.org there are 2 repos i added to sources.list ...
[11:42] <popey> https://docs.kolab.org/installation-guide/ubuntu.html
[11:42] <popey> that guide?
[11:43] <BillyTi> ya riht
[11:43] <BillyTi> right
[11:44] <popey> dunno, maybe ask in #kolab ?
[11:46] <foobarry> fiddling with my laptop during a meeting while in suspend mode. unplugged battery. realised what i'd done. :-|
[11:47] <popey> hah
[11:50] <foobarry> finally fb added a "tell fb that a users accoutn is hacked"
[11:50] <foobarry> previously it was "tell joe his account is hacked by sending a txt etc"
[12:15] <ali1234> how do you clear a redirect from firefox cache?
[12:20] <ali1234> you just delete it from history
[15:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:34] <bashrc_> greetings
[15:35]  * brobostigon has his first game of magic in 15 odd years this afternoon.
[15:36] <brobostigon> had*
[15:36] <bashrc_> magic?
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> did you win?
[15:37] <brobostigon> bashrc_: magic: the gathering, the card game.
[15:37] <bashrc_> oh, I don't know of it
[15:37] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: i died, i am too out of practice.
[15:37]  * zmoylan-pi wonders where bashrc_ has been all this time...
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> and who made your deck?
[15:37] <bashrc_> bash scripting, mostly
[15:37] <brobostigon> i did.
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> ah...
[15:38] <brobostigon> more practice required, :)
[15:38] <zmoylan-pi> it's one of those games that if you don't play constantly and keep your deck up to date can lead to swift defeats
[15:38] <brobostigon> exactly.
[15:38] <bashrc_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering
[15:39] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: i play D&D now, but they arent that far different.
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> at gaelcon last year a few gamers were playing 'casually' using home printed decks (illegal in tournaments)... they've played since it started...
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> d&d you need a book, pencil and some dice. a printer and a tablet for pdfs is handy but not essential.
[15:40] <brobostigon> wow.
[15:40] <bashrc_> I played D&D to some extent in my late teens. I was never very good at it though, and often went off-script
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> magic requires an investment
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> time AND money
[15:40] <brobostigon> yep.
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> some cards cost silly amounts of money
[15:40] <brobostigon> D&D just requires a good imagination.
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> for d&d we added nerf...
[15:42]  * brobostigon plays a human wizard with a staff the size of the statue of liberty.
[15:42] <brobostigon> staf*
[15:43] <brobostigon> monsters eyes get regularly poked out with it.
[15:43] <zmoylan-pi> https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/612963111742644224/photo/1 :-)
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> sorry for the bluriness but i was trying to reload and take pics at same time...
[15:44] <zmoylan-pi> but nerf has speeded up the rules lawyers as if they go on too long we just start shooting people
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> and i have sworn of games that are collectibles as they are quite expensive.  i'm hoping 3d printing becomes cheap enough to allow you to make your own soon enough
[15:48] <brobostigon> yes, like making my own custom dice, :)
[15:49] <zmoylan-pi> i suspect home made dice will get you the same treatment every where that they do in vegas :-)
[15:49] <brobostigon> and make my own D&D figures.
[15:49] <zmoylan-pi> someone started a kickstarter were 1 was removed on a d20 and a second d20 was printed there.  he was run out of town last i heard
[18:21] <diddledan> dark already!
[18:21] <diddledan> crazy winter
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> wait till the clocks change next month
[18:42] <diddledan> ooh. heroes reborn starts this week
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> so will it sink to new lows or recapture the original series pacing
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'm going to give mr robot a shufty
[18:51] <diddledan> I like mr robot
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> though i might get my 4 hours sleep first...
[18:53] <diddledan> :-)
[21:49] <daftykins> diddledan: the accents are making me cringe
[21:49] <daftykins> "like, y'knooooooow?"
[22:49] <th3s3_3y3s> What process runs mdns ?
[22:55] <directhex> avahi?
[22:55] <directhex> avahi      821     1  0 18:55 ?        00:00:01 avahi-daemon: running [bubblegum.local]
[22:56] <th3s3_3y3s> Hi direct hex
[22:57] <th3s3_3y3s> Do iso CDROM images use hex?
[22:57] <daftykins> wat