[04:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:46] <PrincessCuddles> Good morning, cupcake
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> PrincessCuddles: and welcome to you too :p
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> PrincessCuddles: first time i see you here
[08:24]  * ObrienDave waves from Englewood, Colorado, USA
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:18] <MonkeyDust> yes but no
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> Colorado, sounds "très" western movie to me
[19:19] <daftykins> !mini
[19:29] <daftykins> hehe, 14.04 32-bit mini.iso didn't like 128MB of RAM in a VM :)
[19:30] <daftykins> the text mode installer didn't start!
[21:31] <pauljw> bbl
[21:32] <JanC> daftykins: weird
[21:32] <daftykins> i should try an intermediary value to see where is the sweet spot :)
[21:33] <daftykins> hmm initrd 44MB extracted
[21:33] <JanC> I'm pretty sure I installed with the full server CD in a 128MiB RAM VM in the early Ubuntu days
[21:35] <daftykins> ah i'm sure it's no bother with an earlier version
[21:35] <JanC> around the 8.x era probably
[21:35] <daftykins> but then, have you got any servers you move up between LTSs and see the extra resource consumption for essentially doing the same job?
[21:36] <daftykins> i saw quite the climb moving my one from 10.04 to 14.04
[21:36] <JanC> in servers it's not been that much of a problem for me; in desktops OTOH...
[21:36]  * JanC needs a 32-64 GiB RAM laptop soon
[21:37] <JanC> if this keeps going on  :P
[21:37] <daftykins> haha, yeah i hear you
[21:37] <JanC> but it's pretty bad actually
[21:37] <daftykins> i do a bit of virt so i'll want a fair amount in a future machine
[21:37] <JanC> there is no good reason for that
[21:38] <JanC> although most of this is because of Chromium
[21:39] <JanC> my main browser is Firefox, but the 5% of websites that I have open in Chromium need about 5× more memory than all the rest in Firefox  :-(
[21:41] <JanC> Evolution quite memory-hungry too
[21:42] <JanC> and Firefox third, but that's to be expected with 300 or so tabs open
[21:42] <JanC> :P
[21:43] <JanC> and then there is Compiz/Unity leaking memory like hell
[21:43] <daftykins> ouch!
[21:43] <daftykins> yeah i do not keep tabs ;)
[21:44] <daftykins> do you find the modern DEs justify their usage given how you work with them?
[21:44] <daftykins> such that something light wouldn't cut it
[21:45] <JanC> Firefox is 3.1 GiB RES & 4.8 GiB VIRT, so it's actually fine
[21:45] <JanC> as I have 16 GiB RAM
[21:46] <daftykins> i dunno, i go by more than 'it works' :D i have this client who keeps open so many that he used to get daily crashes due to flash ads
[21:46] <JanC> but the "every tab is a 250-350 MiB process" crap from Chromium is completely silly
[21:47] <JanC> daftykins: I only se flash I want  :)
[21:47] <JanC> see
[21:48] <daftykins> does make me wonder how FF 42 will be with the per process design
[21:48] <JanC> I sort of hope you can disable it...
[21:49] <daftykins> yeah i know of such functions, just it wouldn't have been the type of client to deal
[21:50] <JanC> already I need more RAM because they broke the "unloadtab"-style extensions
[21:51] <JanC> (which were using hacks, to be honest, but it should be a default part of the browser IMNSHO ;) )
[21:56] <JanC> daftykins: I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ BTW, if you wonder how I manage 300+ tabs  :)
[22:00] <daftykins> ah yeah, i know some folks that speak of it
[22:01] <daftykins> i'm a tab groups fan myself
[23:01] <Bashing-om> While slow, I am going to climb into the rain locker. When I finsih grooming my facial foliage I will return to the keyboard.
[23:04] <daftykins> very good, sir!
[23:04] <JanC> daftykins: tab groups don't cut it for me, personally
[23:05] <daftykins> ah
[23:05] <JanC> I assume they are fine if you keep tabs < 50-100 maybe
[23:05] <daftykins> also, i thought FF unloaded on clean starts?
[23:05] <JanC> daftykins: yes, it does
[23:06] <daftykins> ah so the extensions you mentioned do it continually?
[23:06] <JanC> that's the interface extensions like unloadtabs/suspendtabs try to re-use
[23:06] <JanC> they unload tabs that haven't been used for X time
[23:07] <JanC> haven't been focused
[23:07] <JanC> and you can set a white-list so that e.g. your webradio tab doesn't get "unloaded"
[23:09] <JanC> when you re-focus unloaded tabs, they get re-loaded again  :)
[23:12] <JanC> but even without that, Firefox does much better than the multi-process crap in Chromium, memory-wise
[23:14] <JanC> Ubuntu Touch is suffering from this too, I think
[23:15] <daftykins> ah ok :)
[23:15] <JanC> they don't use Chromium, but the use the same web engine
[23:15] <daftykins> yeah i've had a bit of an issue with seeing friends and most folk moving to Chrome like it's some kinda Jesus browser
[23:16] <JanC> and process model, I think
[23:17] <JanC> daftykins: it has some security advantages, I guess, and the renderer _seems_ to be faster in some tests